I don't remember seeing this posted here. Caliga will explain to us why these people aren't crazy.
QuoteBible verses banned from Ga. school football field
By DORIE TURNER
The Warriors of Lakeview-Fort Oglethorpe High took the field on Friday night without any Bible verses written on the cheerleaders' banner.
Instead, the football team ran through a banner that read "This is Big Red Country" before each bent on a knee to pray on the field of Tommy Cash Stadium.
The spirited display comes after the school district banned the banners last week over concerns they were unconstitutional and could provoke a lawsuit, angering many in the deeply religious north Georgia town of Fort Oglethorpe.
"I'm just kind of unnerved about it," said 18-year-old Cassandra Cooksey, a recent graduate who often prayed with her fellow marching band members before football games. "It seems like the majority of people in our community want this and they don't have a problem with it, so I think they should be allowed to have the signs if they want to."
The move has galvanized the community. Hundreds of people attended a rally this week supporting the signs, which included messages such as: "Commit to the Lord, whatever you do, and your plans will succeed." Many students attended class Friday wearing shirts with Bible verses and painted their cars with messages that read: "Warriors for Christ."
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During the game, several other messages were visible in the packed stadium. Some people stood with signs that read "You Can't Silence Us" and some young men had Bible verses painted on their chests.
"When you get a whole bunch of teenagers mad, this is what happens. We stand up for what believe in," 16-year-old Shelby Rouse said over the roar of a pre-game pep rally.
Cheerleader Taylor Guinn said she is disappointed about the banning of the signs on the football field and believed there was nothing wrong with displaying them.
"It's done good because it brought a lot of glory to God," the 17-year-old senior said.
Players at the 900-student school began running through the Biblical banners shortly after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, and school Principal Jerry Ransom said he enthusiastically supported it then. But Catoosa County schools Superintendent Denia Reese banned the practice after a parent complained.
Reese said the school board's attorney advised her the signs violated federal law because they were being displayed by the cheerleaders during a school-sponsored event.
"I regret that the cheerleaders cannot display their signs in the football stadium without violating the First Amendment," Reese said in a statement. "I rely on reading the Bible daily, and I would never deny our students the opportunity to express their religious beliefs."
The Anti-Defamation League, a human rights group, sent a letter to Reese commending the ban.
"There are legal ways for students to have religious observation in a school context and there are illegal ways, and we believe Reese is correct that the football game crosses a line," said Bill Nigut, the group's southeast regional director.
Tom Rogeberg, a spokesman of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, said he can understand banning cheerleaders on the field from displaying religious banners. But he said spectators in the stands must be able to continue expressing their beliefs freely as they did in Fort Oglethorpe on Friday.
"It's been long seen at sporting events with banners like John 3:16 being put up by fans," Rogeberg said.
http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/us/2009/10/02/D9B32Q2O0_us_gridiron_bible_verses/
They aren't crazy because at the end of the day they are doing the right thing.
Pesonal religious expression in the stands? Knock yourself out.
I'm confused, who is supposed to be crazy, the ACLU and American United for the Separation or the teenybopper god botherers.
Hey AR, could you please let me know where you live so I can dig up articles that cast your area in a negative light and heckle you with them? :)
Uhh, this article's about Georgia.
Quote from: Berkut on November 11, 2009, 12:42:04 PM
They aren't crazy because at the end of the day they are doing the right thing.
Pesonal religious expression in the stands? Knock yourself out.
They are doing the right thing while kicking and screaming under the threat of a lawsuit, but actually, dressing up with bible verses on your shirt and car before going to a football game is kind of crazy.
Quote from: Caliga on November 11, 2009, 12:47:30 PM
Hey AR, could you please let me know where you live so I can dig up articles that cast your area in a negative light and heckle you with them? :)
I live in ROTW, so knock yourself out.
Oggie Oglethorpe?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 11, 2009, 12:54:48 PM
Uhh, this article's about Georgia.
I think his intent, given the first line of the OP, was fairly clear... or else he would have asked you to explain why these people aren't crazy (since you live in Georgia).
Quote from: Caliga on November 11, 2009, 12:47:30 PM
Hey AR, could you please let me know where you live so I can dig up articles that cast your area in a negative light and heckle you with them? :)
It would be too easy.
Quote from: alfred russel on November 11, 2009, 12:59:04 PM
It would be too easy.
:grr:
Anyhoo, they're not crazy or stupid... just ignorant. The latter condition can be corrected. The former two cannot (except maybe with medication in the case of the first). :contract:
Quote from: Caliga on November 11, 2009, 12:58:20 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 11, 2009, 12:54:48 PM
Uhh, this article's about Georgia.
I think his intent, given the first line of the OP, was fairly clear... or else he would have asked you to explain why these people aren't crazy (since you live in Georgia).
Probably thinks your view is a bit romanticized.
Those motherfuckers also have an Indian head logo. :mad:
Quote from: alfred russel on November 11, 2009, 12:55:32 PMdressing up with bible verses on your shirt and car before going to a football game is kind of crazy.
:mellow:
Seriously, who gives a shit. Crazy religious people are the ones chopping off heads.
If we let them, they'll start chopping head soon enough.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 11, 2009, 01:10:26 PM
If we let them, they'll start chopping head soon enough.
:lol: No.
Yeah, I'm sure these teenage cheerleaders were just about to strap home made explosives on to themselves and and start decapitating the infidels.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 11, 2009, 01:13:31 PM
Yeah, I'm sure these teenage cheerleaders were just about to strap home made explosives on to themselves and and start decapitating the infidels.
I'd cheer to see that. From a safe distance of course.
Closer then you can believe.
But College will fix that, with the booze & lesbian sex party they'll be having.
Quote from: Viking on November 11, 2009, 12:56:46 PM
Quote from: Caliga on November 11, 2009, 12:47:30 PM
Hey AR, could you please let me know where you live so I can dig up articles that cast your area in a negative light and heckle you with them? :)
I live in ROTW, so knock yourself out.
No you don't. You don't even live in a real country.
Quote from: alfred russel on November 11, 2009, 12:55:32 PM
They are doing the right thing while kicking and screaming under the threat of a lawsuit
Actually, my reading is that no-one in the community had threatened a lawsuit, or even complained about what they were doing. The article mentioned that the school district was afraid that someone might bring a suit, but that doesn't imply that anyone had done so. In other words, while you might cheer this as a victory for separation of church and state, it seems to be a product of exactly the same kind of mentality on the part of school boards that leads to zero-tolerance policies that cause a kid with a cold to get expelled for bringing an aspirin to school. In short, school boards and school administrators may not be crazy, but a lot of them are spineless fools.
So having your lawyer tell you "Yeah, the religious messages on banners is in fact probably grounds for a suit, you should stop that" and then doing so is "exactly" the same as expelling kids for bringing aspirin to school.
Really?
Quote from: Berkut on November 11, 2009, 01:48:00 PM
So having your lawyer tell you "Yeah, the religious messages on banners is in fact probably grounds for a suit, you should stop that" and then doing so is "exactly" the same as expelling kids for bringing aspirin to school.
Really?
Well in both cases the school is being moronic, so kinda. :p (but not really)
Quote from: Berkut on November 11, 2009, 01:48:00 PM
So having your lawyer tell you "Yeah, the religious messages on banners is in fact probably grounds for a suit, you should stop that" and then doing so is "exactly" the same as expelling kids for bringing aspirin to school.
Really?
No, but it's the product of the same kind of mentality, because for school administrations, the question in both matters isn't, "What is the right thing to do?" but rather, "What will best shield us from possible legal repercussions?". And while that should be taken into condsideration (after all, we the taxpayers would be the ones ultimately paying any judgement rendered against the school administratin), it shouldn't be the first and formost worry, as it all too often is.
Quote from: dps on November 11, 2009, 01:54:22 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 11, 2009, 01:48:00 PM
So having your lawyer tell you "Yeah, the religious messages on banners is in fact probably grounds for a suit, you should stop that" and then doing so is "exactly" the same as expelling kids for bringing aspirin to school.
Really?
No, but it's the product of the same kind of mentality, because for school administrations, the question in both matters isn't, "What is the right thing to do?" but rather, "What will best shield us from possible legal repercussions?". And while that should be taken into condsideration (after all, we the taxpayers would be the ones ultimately paying any judgement rendered against the school administratin), it shouldn't be the first and formost worry, as it all too often is.
I look at it more like "Well, if they can sue us because what we are doing is freaking illegal, we should really stop doing it."
Seems rather simple to me.
Quote from: Berkut on November 11, 2009, 01:55:57 PM
Quote from: dps on November 11, 2009, 01:54:22 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 11, 2009, 01:48:00 PM
So having your lawyer tell you "Yeah, the religious messages on banners is in fact probably grounds for a suit, you should stop that" and then doing so is "exactly" the same as expelling kids for bringing aspirin to school.
Really?
No, but it's the product of the same kind of mentality, because for school administrations, the question in both matters isn't, "What is the right thing to do?" but rather, "What will best shield us from possible legal repercussions?". And while that should be taken into condsideration (after all, we the taxpayers would be the ones ultimately paying any judgement rendered against the school administratin), it shouldn't be the first and formost worry, as it all too often is.
I look at it more like "Well, if they can sue us because what we are doing is freaking illegal, we should really stop doing it."
Seems rather simple to me.
My point is, if something is illegel, they should stop because it's illegal. But they don't care about that; they stop because might get sued. In other words, their motivation and decision making process is all fucked up; sometimes that leads to adopting correct policies for bad reasons, other times it just leads to stupid policies.
America isn't even a real country anymore. It's just a retarded joke.
Quote from: dps on November 11, 2009, 01:59:27 PM
My point is, if something is illegel, they should stop because it's illegal. But they don't care about that; they stop because might get sued. In other words, their motivation and decision making process is all fucked up; sometimes that leads to adopting correct policies for bad reasons, other times it just leads to stupid policies.
Kinda curious how you know that this school system doesn't care about engaging in illegal activities. Is Denia Reese a friend of yours?
Would somebody seriously sue just because of religious stuff at a football game? :unsure:
Some people really need to lighten up. If I was seeing my team play a team that led off every game by praying to Mecca that would merely make watching them lose that much more fun.
'Where's your prophet now number 83?'
Quote from: Berkut on November 11, 2009, 12:42:04 PM
They aren't crazy because at the end of the day they are doing the right thing.
Pesonal religious expression in the stands? Knock yourself out.
Except it sounds like it's the
cheerleaders on the field who were coming out with bible banners. Knock yourself out in the stands, but the players, cheerleaders, and marching band members are representatives of the school.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on November 11, 2009, 03:18:04 PM
Except it sounds like it's the cheerleaders on the field who were coming out with bible banners. Knock yourself out in the stands, but the players, cheerleaders, and marching band members are representatives of the school.
After bursting threw the new secular banner the players knelt and prayed on the field. It's OK as long as it's not a group activity apparently.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 11, 2009, 03:20:09 PM
After bursting threw the new secular banner the players knelt and prayed on the field. It's OK as long as it's not a group activity apparently.
Organized. The players can pray as a team if the captain leads them, but if the coach leads, it's verbot. With the cheerleaders, that would have had to be organized by or with the cheerleading coach; that's probably why they freaked out about the banner.
OK.
We need pics.
:yes: If the cheerleaders are kneeling depending on the camera angle you might be able to see some boobage. :perv:
Quote from: Caliga on November 11, 2009, 03:40:55 PM
:yes: If the cheerleaders are kneeling depending on the camera angle you might be able to see some boobage. :perv:
Dude, high school cheerleaders don't show cleavage. They show ass and crotch.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 11, 2009, 03:56:44 PM
Quote from: Caliga on November 11, 2009, 03:40:55 PM
:yes: If the cheerleaders are kneeling depending on the camera angle you might be able to see some boobage. :perv:
Dude, high school cheerleaders don't show cleavage. They show ass and crotch.
Unless they are doing a car wash. Yeah. I love springtime.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on November 11, 2009, 03:18:04 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 11, 2009, 12:42:04 PM
They aren't crazy because at the end of the day they are doing the right thing.
Pesonal religious expression in the stands? Knock yourself out.
Except it sounds like it's the cheerleaders on the field who were coming out with bible banners. Knock yourself out in the stands, but the players, cheerleaders, and marching band members are representatives of the school.
Right - and the school put a stop to it. This is a story that shows that we are making progress, even in Caliga's home state.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 11, 2009, 04:13:30 PM
Unless they are doing a car wash. Yeah. I love springtime.
Amen, amen, amen. Osama bin Laden wants to take that away from us.
Quote from: dps on November 11, 2009, 01:45:11 PM
Actually, my reading is that no-one in the community had threatened a lawsuit, or even complained about what they were doing. The article mentioned that the school district was afraid that someone might bring a suit, but that doesn't imply that anyone had done so. In other words, while you might cheer this as a victory for separation of church and state, it seems to be a product of exactly the same kind of mentality on the part of school boards that leads to zero-tolerance policies that cause a kid with a cold to get expelled for bringing an aspirin to school. In short, school boards and school administrators may not be crazy, but a lot of them are spineless fools.
Then you didn't read it all the way through.
Quote
Players at the 900-student school began running through the Biblical banners shortly after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, and school Principal Jerry Ransom said he enthusiastically supported it then. But Catoosa County schools Superintendent Denia Reese banned the practice after a parent complained.
Quote from: Valmy on November 11, 2009, 03:14:17 PM
Would somebody seriously sue just because of religious stuff at a football game? :unsure:
Berkut certainly would. His sourness knows no bounds.
Quotewithout any Bible verses written on the cheerleaders' banner.
...
Instead, the football team ran through a banner that read "This is Big Red Country"
Anybody else see the humor in this?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 11, 2009, 03:37:12 PM
OK.
We need pics.
This shouldn't have taken 3 pages to get to. Languish is dying!
Quote from: Tonitrus on November 12, 2009, 12:05:59 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 11, 2009, 03:37:12 PM
OK.
We need pics.
This shouldn't have taken 3 pages to get to. Languish is dying!
It's not like they are going to look like lyla garrity
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I wonder how quoting scripture feels like while showing midriff.
Quote from: Berkut on November 11, 2009, 04:13:49 PM
Right - and the school put a stop to it. This is a story that shows that we are making progress, even in Caliga's home state.
:lol:
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 11, 2009, 12:58:14 PM
Oggie Oglethorpe?
That's what came to my mind as well :lol: Great movie
Oh, and yeah, America's religiosity isn't very exceptional, I'm told
Quote from: Caliga on November 11, 2009, 12:47:30 PM
Hey AR, could you please let me know where you live so I can dig up articles that cast your area in a negative light and heckle you with them? :)
You all could have a field day with Massachusetts!
Quote from: The Larch on November 12, 2009, 05:08:35 AM
I wonder how quoting scripture feels like while showing midriff.
High school cheerleaders don't show midriff, usually.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on November 12, 2009, 10:15:09 AM
Quote from: The Larch on November 12, 2009, 05:08:35 AM
I wonder how quoting scripture feels like while showing midriff.
High school cheerleaders don't show midriff, usually.
That's a pity. Or not, I guess. So which ones do, then?
Quote from: The Larch on November 12, 2009, 10:18:47 AM
That's a pity. Or not, I guess. So which ones do, then?
Pros and some colleges. High school cheerleaders' uniforms are typically fairly conservative- the raciest our cheerleading squad got was a sleeveless version of the sorta-sweaterish long-sleeved top they usually wore.
Also, in all but the best weather, at least a couple of the girls in our cheerleading squads were guaranteed to be avoiding bloomers shots by wearing sweatpants under the skirts.
I never quite understood the concept of praying (or otherwise invoking the divine) for victory when done by both sides in a competitive sport event when both sides follow the same god. If one side wins, does it mean the other side was not praying hard enough or is simply abominable to god?
Quote from: The Larch on November 12, 2009, 10:18:47 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on November 12, 2009, 10:15:09 AM
Quote from: The Larch on November 12, 2009, 05:08:35 AM
I wonder how quoting scripture feels like while showing midriff.
High school cheerleaders don't show midriff, usually.
That's a pity. Or not, I guess. So which ones do, then?
Pro team cheerleaders.
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2009, 10:24:25 AM
I never quite understood the concept of praying (or otherwise invoking the divine) for victory when done by both sides in a competitive sport event when both sides follow the same god. If one side wins, does it mean the other side was not praying hard enough or is simply abominable to god?
The point is not to pray for victory, but to pray for strength to put on your best game. That way, when you lose the game, you can say that it's just because God hates you. :P
I would like to thank God for helping me with this post, and I would like to just say that Jesus is awesome.
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2009, 10:24:25 AM
I never quite understood the concept of praying (or otherwise invoking the divine) for victory when done by both sides in a competitive sport event when both sides follow the same god. If one side wins, does it mean the other side was not praying hard enough or is simply abominable to god?
It isn't just about winning:
Quote from: the article"It's done good because it brought a lot of glory to God," the 17-year-old senior said.
QuoteI have a special friend. . . He's the Baby Jesus and I love him and. . .he don't give me no shit... and he don't fuck around and he's just the fucking coolest guy and I wanna say I love the Baby Jesus.
I can't say it enough. I love the Baby Jesus and I think. . .he's the best... thing and he's really great when he shares his love because he's got enough love for everybody. You know what I mean? I can't even see a manger without thinkin' about him, eh?
I just love the Jesus. I've only been into him for a couple of hours though, but I'm *really* into him.
The Jesus?
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Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2009, 10:24:25 AM
I never quite understood the concept of ....
No kidding.
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2009, 10:24:25 AM
I never quite understood the concept of praying (or otherwise invoking the divine) for victory when done by both sides in a competitive sport event when both sides follow the same god. If one side wins, does it mean the other side was not praying hard enough or is simply abominable to god?
Do you really fail to understand why a religious person might want to pray to their God?
It is one thing to disagree with their reasons but to admit that you dont actually understand why they do it. Now that is truly astounding.
Atheists are morons.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 12, 2009, 12:53:57 PM
Do you really fail to understand why a religious person might want to pray to their God?
It is one thing to disagree with their reasons but to admit that you dont actually understand why they do it. Now that is truly astounding.
Martinus has a lot of problems with feats of intellect that your average teenager could manage, because he's mentally and emotionally a junior-high girl.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 12, 2009, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2009, 10:24:25 AM
I never quite understood the concept of praying (or otherwise invoking the divine) for victory when done by both sides in a competitive sport event when both sides follow the same god. If one side wins, does it mean the other side was not praying hard enough or is simply abominable to god?
Do you really fail to understand why a religious person might want to pray to their God?
It is one thing to disagree with their reasons but to admit that you dont actually understand why they do it. Now that is truly astounding.
I don't pray to the Bomb.
Quote from: Alexandru H. on November 12, 2009, 12:58:39 PM
Atheists are morons.
For a second I thought you said that atheists were mormons.
Quote from: The Brain on November 12, 2009, 01:07:43 PM
I don't pray to the Bomb.
The shrine in the fall out shelter under your house points to a different conclusion.
it's to lady gaga
Quote from: Alexandru H. on November 12, 2009, 12:58:39 PM
Atheists are morons.
And everyone is an atheist, so it all makes sense now.
Quote from: Valmy on November 12, 2009, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Alexandru H. on November 12, 2009, 12:58:39 PM
Atheists are morons.
For a second I thought you said that atheists were mormons.
Nah, they're just going to the same place in the afterlife. ;)
Quote from: Alexandru H. on November 12, 2009, 12:58:39 PM
Atheists are morons.
It seems the homo sovieticus can not really change it's way of thinking, merely dress it up in different clothes. Black is white. War is peace. Poverty is wealth. To believe in nonsense is to be smart. To not belive in nonsense is to be a moron. Etc.