I'll start a new thread, and then post my picks a little bit later, probably this evening.
Go Falcons!
& Go Jets, because apprently they are good now.
This week will determine just how putrid the Redskins' season will be. Losing to the Lions could make the wheels fall off very quickly. Winning and they get to delay the ineviteable for another couple weeks.
I have this sinking feeling the Titans will win. No way Fisher will let that team fall to 0-3. :(
Quote from: Vince on September 25, 2009, 08:16:33 AM
I have this sinking feeling the Titans will win. No way Fisher will let that team fall to 0-3. :(
Why not? He has before.
Quote from: Valmy on September 25, 2009, 08:13:22 AM
This week will determine just how putrid the Redskins' season will be. Losing to the Lions could make the wheels fall off very quickly. Winning and they get to delay the ineviteable for another couple weeks.
Man, whatever happened to the 'Skins? We didn't use to have to dread playing bottom ranked teams for fear of losing and humiliating ourselves. We coulda been something, we coulda been a contender...
I have a hard time seeing the Redskins losing to the Lions. Their D is sturdy enough that they should be able to keep it from being a shootout. While Detroit's D isn't exactly a joke (well, at least not when you compare it to the Lions' offence), they're still make opposing QBs look amazing. Opposing QBs have a 134.9 rating against the Lions D this year.
Quote from: Valmy on September 25, 2009, 08:20:48 AM
Quote from: Vince on September 25, 2009, 08:16:33 AM
I have this sinking feeling the Titans will win. No way Fisher will let that team fall to 0-3. :(
Why not? He has before.
I suppose even with this new attitude the Jets have twenty years of chokes still has me expecting a letdown at some point.
Quote from: Vince on September 25, 2009, 08:37:02 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 25, 2009, 08:20:48 AM
Quote from: Vince on September 25, 2009, 08:16:33 AM
I have this sinking feeling the Titans will win. No way Fisher will let that team fall to 0-3. :(
Why not? He has before.
I suppose even with this new attitude the Jets have twenty years of chokes still has me expecting a letdown at some point.
Is losing to the Titans a choke? They lost one game to the defending champs, who are still a first-tier team. They lost the other game to the Texans, who are wildly inconsistent but very talented and who always play first-rate ball against their division opponents.
I'd have to say that the Titans are the favorites in this one.
Da Bears got pwn3d by the defending champs last week, only to squeak out a lucky win by the Steelers missing two FG's. Cutler did his job last week (in stark contrast to Week 1 against Green Bay) by not giving up the football, but he went 3 & out for the first couple/few possessions & needs to step it up earlier on in the game. Similarly, the Bears' D was like a sieve in the first quarter & needs to Man Up out of the gate.
I think that Da Bears have the potential to win on Sunday, but they're so inconsistent that I have to admit that every game will be Anything Can Happen Day this year. Or something...
:ccr
Looks like the Steelers are only favored by ~4 over the Bungles. I know it's bad karma to bet against your team, but if I were a betting man, I'd put money on the Steelheads. This is one of the rare Steelers-Bungles games where the Bungles *should* either keep the game close or even win, and in most of these rare moments they get blown out.
Conversely, if Pittsburgh were favored by more than a touchdown, I'd be inclined to bet on the Bengals to win it straight-up. My brother said he wishes the Steelers had been picked to win my 2 TDs :D
Poor Patriots fans :weep:
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:lol: The earring just completes it.
I am quite intrigued by the 49ers at Minnesota matchup. Just how good are the Niners, in particular their run D? WIth them going 2-0 they can't be taken lightly, but in a home game you have to think the Vikings and Favre are going to win...
Favorite Spread Underdog
9/27 1:00 ET At NY Jets -2.5 Tennessee
9/27 1:00 ET At Houston -4 Jacksonville
9/27 1:00 ET At Philadelphia -8.5 Kansas City
9/27 1:00 ET At Baltimore -13.5 Cleveland
9/27 1:00 ET NY Giants -6.5 At Tampa Bay
9/27 1:00 ET Washington -6.5 At Detroit
9/27 1:00 ET Green Bay -6.5 At St. Louis
9/27 1:00 ET At Minnesota -7 San Francisco
9/27 1:00 ET At New England -4 Atlanta
9/27 4:05 ET Chicago -2.5 At Seattle
9/27 4:05 ET New Orleans -6 At Buffalo
9/27 4:15 ET At San Diego -5.5 Miami
9/27 4:15 ET Pittsburgh -4 At Cincinnati
9/27 4:15 ET Denver -1.5 At Oakland
9/27 8:20 ET At Arizona -2.5 Indianapolis
Monday Night Football Point Spread
9/28 8:35 ET At Dallas -8.5 Carolina
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on September 25, 2009, 08:30:06 AM
Man, whatever happened to the 'Skins? We didn't use to have to dread playing bottom ranked teams for fear of losing and humiliating ourselves. We coulda been something, we coulda been a contender...
What happened? Losing to San Francisco, Cincinatti, and St. Louis last year where winning any of those games would have gotten the Skins into the playoffs.
Just for fun, at to challenge Neil, I'll make some picks
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 25, 2009, 02:14:40 PM
Favorite Spread Underdog
9/27 1:00 ET At NY Jets -2.5 Tennessee Tennesse and the point
9/27 1:00 ET At Houston -4 Jacksonville Houston
9/27 1:00 ET At Philadelphia -8.5 Kansas City Philly
9/27 1:00 ET At Baltimore -13.5 Cleveland Damn... Bawlmer
9/27 1:00 ET NY Giants -6.5 At Tampa Bay G-men
9/27 1:00 ET Washington -6.5 At Detroit Detroit and the points
9/27 1:00 ET Green Bay -6.5 At St. Louis Green Bay
9/27 1:00 ET At Minnesota -7 San Francisco SF and the points (tho Vikes will win)
9/27 1:00 ET At New England -4 Atlanta Atlanta
9/27 4:05 ET Chicago -2.5 At Seattle Seattle
9/27 4:05 ET New Orleans -6 At Buffalo New Orleans
9/27 4:15 ET At San Diego -5.5 Miami San Diego
9/27 4:15 ET Pittsburgh -4 At Cincinnati Pittsburgh
9/27 4:15 ET Denver -1.5 At Oakland Denver
9/27 8:20 ET At Arizona -2.5 Indianapolis Indy
Monday Night Football Point Spread
9/28 8:35 ET At Dallas -8.5 Carolina Carolina
Picks are for entertainment purposes only. Barrister does not endorse gambling on football.
Wish I knew a bookie so I could take Indy and 2.5. I think Miami is going to cover.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 25, 2009, 03:35:23 PM
Wish I knew a bookie so I could take Indy and 2.5. I think Miami is going to cover.
:huh: You mean Arizona or are you talking about two different games?
The game of the week for me. The first real test for the Vike's and a chance for the Niners to prove they belong in the discussion of play-off caliber teams.
Quote from: sbr on September 25, 2009, 03:37:20 PM
:huh: You mean Arizona or are you talking about two different games?
Two different games.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 25, 2009, 03:35:23 PM
Wish I knew a bookie so I could take Indy and 2.5. I think Miami is going to cover.
I know Arizona is tough at home, but they're giving Indy two and a half points? I'd take those odds any day.
Miami? San Diego is again a west coast team that plays tough at home, but travels poorly. I doubt that Miami can make it interesting.
I thought the term "cover" meant the favoured team winning by enough to cover the spread? What does it mean when dealing with the underdog?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 25, 2009, 03:40:01 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 25, 2009, 03:37:20 PM
:huh: You mean Arizona or are you talking about two different games?
Two different games.
I agree with the Indy game, unfortunately; but I think Miami is in for another rough one. They are on a short week and have to fly cross country for the game, I think the Chargers cover that one.
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2009, 03:49:18 PM
I thought the term "cover" meant the favoured team winning by enough to cover the spread? What does it mean when dealing with the underdog?
Lose by less than the spread. If Miami loses by 5 or less, or wins, they cover.
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2009, 03:49:18 PM
I thought the term "cover" meant the favoured team winning by enough to cover the spread? What does it mean when dealing with the underdog?
It means they were close enough to cover the spread. "Cover" doesn't directly have anything to do with winning or losing-- it just means the team outperformed whatever the spread predicted they'd do.
Quote from: sbr on September 25, 2009, 03:51:50 PM
I agree with the Indy game, unfortunately; but I think Miami is in for another rough one. They are on a short week and have to fly cross country for the game, I think the Chargers cover that one.
I haven't seen San Diego play yet, so I'm flying a little blind, but Miami showed they're an excellent posession team against Indy. The wildcat is bullshit and eventually defenses will stop it, but right now they're reeling off 6-8 yards a play. And Pennigton can throw 10 yard slants and and crossing patterns.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 25, 2009, 04:26:21 PM
I haven't seen San Diego play yet, so I'm flying a little blind
Here's all you need to know about the Bolts this season--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldY2pInMyR4
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2009, 05:07:16 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 25, 2009, 04:26:21 PM
I haven't seen San Diego play yet, so I'm flying a little blind
Here's all you need to know about the Bolts this season--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldY2pInMyR4
Lolz.
Week 1: 10-6
Week 2: 11-5 (8-8 vs. the spread)
Sunday:
Browns (-13.5) @ Ravens - OK, there are, in the history of the league, maybe a handful of players who can change a team's season with a signature hit. Out of them, only Ray Lewis is still around, and he changed the Ravens defence's fate last week. Their secondary is going to shape up. Even if they don't, Brady Quinn doesn't have the tools to exploit it. Moreover, the Browns run D is terrible, whereas the Ravens power running is awesome. The Browns will not cover.
Redskins @ Lions (-6.5) - I know that the Redskin fans are going emo about their chances, and the Redskins are a distinctly mediocre team. Let's not go crazy here though. The Lions are weak, and aren't doing anything well. They make teams that play them look better than they are. The Redskins skilled D-line should overpower the weak Lions offence. The Lions will not cover either.
Jaguars (-4) @ Texans - So, the Texans D is doing terribly, which is odd, given their talent. I think part of their problem is that they had a terrible start against a newly physical Jets team, and they just got outmuscled by the powerful, physical Titans. The Jaguars are less than either of those teams, and have really fallen apart from their once-mighty days in the last couple of years where they challenged the Colts. The Jags will not cover.
Falcons (-4) @ Patriots - The Patriots are suspect. Perhaps Tom Brady's knee didn't rehab properly because he was on his knees sucking dicks. Their defence has also been less than they have been in years. The Falcons, on the other hand, are surging. Ryan is one of the top 5 QBs in the league right now, and their D is workmanlike. They will humble the fallen Patriots. Honestly, if it wasn't for their performance in 2007, nobody would be thinking of Patriots as a top 10 team.
Packers @ Rams (-6.5) - This one is just easy to pick. The Rams don't have the firepower or the defence to win this one. You know, the Packers have one bad game against the Bengals, and all of the sudden all those optimistic predictions from the beginning of the season have disintegrated. The Packers will win this one. The Rams will not cover.
Giants @ Buccaneers (-6.5) - The Giants put up, what, 30-something on the Cowboys, and they're only giving 6.5 to the Bucs? Does not compute. Sure, the Giants are nicked up, but so are the Bucs. Still, the Giants have much stronger fundamentals. The Bucs will not cover.
Titans (-2.5) @ Jets - I like the Titans in this one. The Jets have feasted against weak opposition, while the Titans have starved against one of the most powerful teams in the league and one of their most dangerous division rivals. Both defences are stout, but I think that Kerry Collins has the edge on Sanchez. The Jets will also have to contend with the formidable rushing attack of Chris Johnson.
Chiefs (-8.5) @ Eagles - You know, I think the Chiefs might cover in this one. With no McNabb, I don't trust Kevin Kolb, I don't think that Vick is ready and I don't think that anybody in the Eagles organization is smart enough to play Garcia. Even when they won in Week 1, the Eagles didn't quite seem like themselves, and without McNabb they're vulnerable. The Chiefs have a solid rushing attack and a serviceable passing attack. They won't win, but they'll cover.
49ers (-7) @ Vikings - This pick was one of two that gave me the most trouble. Now, here's my upset pick: I like the 49ers. Their suffocating run D should hurt the ability of the Vikings to run the ball. When burden of the game comes to Brett Favre, expect some gunslings to be thrown. Singletary's dicipline will ensure that San Francisco will make fewer mistakes, and win the game.
Saints @ Bills (-6) - The Saints have too much firepower to fall to the Bills. Sure, their D is suspect, but the Bills offence can't score at will like the Saints can. In the case of the Saints, it seems that the best defence is a good offence. The Bills aren't any better than the Kolb Eagles, and the Saints disposed of them with ease. I don't think the Bills will cover. TO might go crazy after the game.
Bears @ Seahawks (-2.5) - The Seahawks without Hasselbeck are helpless, whereas the Bears seem to have overcome their injuries. If Hasselbeck doesn't come back quickly, the Seahawks will give the Rams a run for their money in the bitch division. The Seahawks will not cover.
Steelers @ Bengals (-4) - Come on man. Everybody is high on the Bengals with their dominating sackfest against the Packers, and everybody is ragging the Steelers for their line play and their troubles winning without Polamalu. Still, these are the Steelers in a division game, against the Bengals. Still, I think the Bengals will be able to put up some points and keep it from being a rout. I'm going to go out on limb and say that the Steelers' line problems will allow the Bengals to cover. I know I'm crazy, picking the Bengals for anything other than epic failure, but that's just how I feel on this one. Of course, this will be the week that Carson Palmer will go back down the tubes.
Broncos @ Raiders (-1.5) - JaMarcus Russell will conspire to allow the Broncos to win. I like the Raiders run game and their D, but their passing game will prevent them from getting very far. The Broncos D is going to crush Russell. The Raiders will not cover.
Dolphins (-5.5) @ Chargers - The Chargers are vulnerable to the Dolphins running game. On the other hand, the Dolphins have shown that they're vulnerable to the big play, and the offence scored surprisingly little, given how much they had the ball against the Colts. I think the Dolphins can take advantage of the injuries that plague the Chargers and pull off the upset. Hopefully, somebody punches that punk Rivers in the mouth.
Colts (-2.5) @ Cardinals - I like the Cardinals at home here. The Colts can move the ball, but so can the Cardinals. Also, the Cardinals seem to get a bigger bump from the home field than most teams. This was the other game that I felt was difficult to pick, and I'm still conflicted about it. Ultimately, I think the depleted Colts secondary will allow the Cardinals to make plays, while the Cardinals' surprisingly respectable D will allow them to hold the Colts to field goals. If I have to guess, I would say that a Manning comeback will fall just short and the Cardinals will win, but the Colts will cover.
Monday:
Panthers (-8.5) @ Cowboys - The Cowboys can't get humiliated at home for ever, but the Panthers are getting better every week. The Panthers will cover, but the Cowboys will win.
Tennessee @ NY Jets (-2.5) - I can't decide which is more unlikely, the Titans going 0-3 or the Jets losing this game. I take the Jets and give the points.
Jacksonville @ Houston (-4) - Teh Texans found their passing game last week, that shoudl help them run the ball on the not-as-formidable-as-before Jaguars. I take the Texans and give the 4.
Kansas City @ Philadelphia (-8.5) - The Chiefs shouldn't be able to challenge the Eagles, even without McNabb. That seems like a big spread to me with Kolb as the starting QB though. The Eagles win, but in a close one.
Cleveland @ Baltimore (-13.5) - It is still early but this is very clearly a mis-match. I hate double digit point spread but this one is deserved. The Ravens in an easy one.
NY Giants (-6.5) @ Tampa Bay - 6.5 points is ridiculous for a road team: it might not be enough. The Giants are better than people think and the Buc's might be worse than people think. Eli and the defense will do just enough to cover this one.
Washington (-6.5) @ Detroit - I was thinking the Lions might win this one a few days ago but then everyone, including the national media started saying the same thing. The Redskins are the better team, though not by a whole lot, and the Lion's best chance was for the 'Skins to overlook them, that ain't happening now. I don't think the 'Skins cover though, especially on the road.
Green Bay (-6.5) @ St. Louis - Before the season started I said the Rams would be the Most Improved Team this year. I was way off, they are still horrible. This is an easy one for the Pack.
San Fransisco @ Minnesota ( -7) - This is the game of the week, a chance for both teams to prove themselves. I think Patrick Willis and the rest of the Niners D will be up to the test. The Vike's will win, but in a very close game.
Atlanta @ New England (-4) - Potentially the best game of the week. The Pats defense is very lacking and the offense hasn't clicked outside of the 4th quarter of the first game. The Falcons have met every challenge they have seen. I still can't bet against the Pats at home yet. I assume Brady will find a way to get one touchdown more than the Falcons will.
Chicago (-4.5) @Seattle - Hasselebeck won't play and Seneca Wallace just isn't very good while Cutler looked very good against the Steelers. The Bears win this one straight up.
New Orleans (-6) @ Buffalo - The Saints' offense is playing at a historic pace, the Bills are not. Drew Brees has to comeback to earth but I can't see it being this week. The Saints cover, by a hair.
Miami @ San Diego (-5.5) - After a short week, with the Monday night game, and a cross country flight I just don't see the Dolphins competing with the Bolts. This is one of the easier games for me to pick.
Pittsburgh (-4) @Cincinnati - This is another game where the "experts" are picking the underdog. The Bengals have been playing a little better than expected, but not well enough to win, or prevent the Steelers from covering.
Denver (-1.5) @ Oakland - This is just horrid. I think it more likely that LaMarcus Russell finds a ways to lose it than the Broncos find a way to win it.
Indianapolis @ Arizona (-2.5) - As a Cards fan I just can bring myself to believe they are actually a good team. :Embarrass: I think the Colts will find a way to win and the Cards will help them out. :(
Carolina @ Dallas (-8.5) - Who is worse Delhomme or Romo? I think the Dallas defense will finally show up and get their first sack and their first turnover this game, it won't be enough to cover the 8.5.
I'll be in Ralph Wilson Stadium watching Drew Brees give me fantasy points this Sunday while doing my praying for a career ending injury to Jamarcus. :pope:
QuoteFor comparison's sake:
• The Ravens have had 50 Pro Bowl berths to the Browns' 10 since 1999.
• Of the Ravens' 22 full-time starters, 16 are their own draft picks. Of the Browns' 22 starters, only nine are their own picks.
• The Ravens have 20 draft picks on their roster from the 2005-2008 seasons. The Browns have 12.
• Five of the Ravens' No. 1 picks since 1999 have gone to the Pro Bowl, with defensive tackle Haloti Ngata being named a first alternate and quarterback Joe Flacco apparently on a path toward Hawaii. Three of the Browns' first-round picks have made it in that span.
• The Ravens' defense features three Pro Bowlers and a first alternate and the Browns have one (Shaun Rogers).
QuoteNFL Has No Business Being In Jacksonville
It was a fine afternoon for football Sunday in Jacksonville and 46,520 fans (actually, probably less) showed up to rattle around the city's Municipal Stadium for the Jaguars' home opener. The stadium, which hasn't had a name-rights deal in two years, can seat over 76,000. The Jags long ago gave up on that number, and in an effort to avoid television blackouts they covered up sections to cut capacity to 66,066.
They still didn't come close to selling out.
They've publicly stated there is no hope for filling the joint for a single game the entire season. They aren't even blaming the fact they're coming off a 5-11 campaign.
"Even if we made the playoffs last year, we'd still be in this situation," Bill Prescott, the team's CFO, told the Florida Times-Union. He went on to claim that based on playoff appearances in two of the last four years, the postseason is worth only a 5 percent bump in sales.
This is all the economy's fault, Prescott maintained.
If that's true, then the NFL's grand small-market experiment hatched in 1995 is all but over. Jacksonville as a viable professional sports market isn't going to end well. Eventually everyone will have to admit it.
No one is blaming fans for staying home. Even with discounted tickets and generous package rates, attending a pro sports event is an expensive and time-consuming proposition. You can be the most loyal fan in the world and never go to a game. Jaguar fans shouldn't apologize for saving money for something more important than football.
Still, a market that can truly support professional sports has enough people who either can afford it or simply won't live without it. Every town will support a new team or a big winner. The truth comes not in good times but, like now, bad.
Jacksonville is struggling. The unemployment rate is 10.5 percent, according to the U.S. Department of Labor, and like much of Florida foreclosures are high.
Yet by any known economic metric, what Jacksonville calls a disaster would be considered a renaissance in Detroit. The City of Detroit's unemployment rate is nearly 27 percent; the metro area checks in at 17.7.
While the Jaguars weren't good last year and dropped to 0-2 with a listless 31-17 loss to Arizona, the Lions are in the middle of a 19-game losing streak and have won just a single playoff game in 51 seasons.
And still Detroit sold out its opener at Ford Field, capacity 65,000.
It's a numbers game. Metro Detroit has a population of nearly five million; Jacksonville just 1.3 million. Metro Detroit has 17 Fortune 500 companies that can buy luxury suites and bulk tickets. Jacksonville has just two and none in the top 200.
So even though the Jaguars have no other major pro teams to compete against, it struggles. The Lions go against franchises – successful ones – in MLB, the NBA and the NHL, plus, like Jacksonville, two nearby major college programs. Even in a crippling economy, though, there's enough money to go around.
Jacksonville was a bold gamble that didn't make sense in the best of times. Green Bay is the only NFL market that's smaller, but with its history and public ownership, it's really the team of the entire state of Wisconsin (population 5.3 million).
Florida already had two long-established NFL franchises, though, when the Jaguars were created in 1995. There never seemed to be a big enough base to make this work.
Television blackouts caused by non-capacity stadiums are going to be an issue across the country this year. Only 20 of 32 teams have presently sold out the season. Still, everyone else filled the stands for their home opener.
Jacksonville barely got to 70 percent of its rigged lower "capacity."
The franchise, the NFL and the city have all poured tremendous resources into making this work. The stadium is fresh, modern and located conveniently downtown. The team has been a success, with six playoff appearances in 14 seasons. In an effort to help boost the league's appeal in the region, the NFL even staged a Super Bowl there in the face of loud criticism for putting the big game in a small city.
None of it has worked, at least not enough.
The Jaguars have dropped ticket prices, marketed relentlessly and tried to create value at concession stands. The city's mayor has called on area businesses to help. The players have even made appeals.
And still there were officially 20,000 empty seats, although independent media accounts estimated that number at closer to 30,000.
In a sign of desperation, team owner Wayne Weaver even told the Associated Press that he'd consider drafting University of Florida quarterback Tim Tebow next year to help with ticket sales.
"Star power is incredible, and Tebow is an iconic figure," Weaver said.
That's a gimmick that's rarely worked for pro teams and speaks to a backward way of running a franchise. You draft (and play) Tebow if your football people think he can win games, period.
There was a time in the 1980s and '90s when the profession of sports marketing was new and hot. It created a false sense a team could offset basic business realities. Anything was deemed possible, everything saleable.
So the NFL set up shop in a small, sleepy city and let Los Angeles go without a team. In hockey, the NHL pulled teams out of Canada and expanded across the Sun Belt, only to now find at least a half-dozen franchises in serious trouble.
It turns out sometimes you can't market the impossible. Not enough people in the South want to watch a hockey game. Not enough people live in Jacksonville to support a big NFL franchise through thick and thin.
No one wants to see the franchise fail and no one is publicly saying it has or will. Weaver hasn't expressed plans to sell.
However, while there's a loyal fan base of Jaguar fans, what's the attendance going to be by season's end, especially if the 0-2 team continues to sink?
And how do you increase interest for next year if half the games aren't on television?
If the only thing that can fill the seats in Jacksonville is a roaring economy and a Super Bowl-contending team, then how long into the inevitable economic downturns will it take before everyone admits the obvious?
Well, Baltimore tried telling the Expansion Committee that in 1995 with a better stadium deal, but nooooo...Paul Tagliabue told us to build a museum instead.
Well, today is the Ravens' 97th consecutive sellout. So fuck you, NFL. Didn't want to do The Right Thing(tm) the right way? Fine. Thanks for the Browns, Mr. Modell.
They're calling for rain today, but Tagliabue's Neo-Browns are gonna get their assfucking dry.
Flacco, in a Pro Bowl? Maybe one day, after Brady and Manning have retired.
If Brady keeps playing the way he has, he'll probably still make the Pro Bowl, because bandwagoners love his cock.
Brady Quinn, 4/5, 16 yards, 1 INT.
Oh, and just add a sack for -6 yards on 3rd and 4. Lulz.
Damn, Brady's overthrowing everybody.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 27, 2009, 12:19:56 PM
Damn, Brady's overthrowing everybody.
Dude, he's been doing that all season. He's not going to be back on track until next season, when he's comfortable planting that bionic leg of his.
Dear God, the Browns are bad.
My Bernie jersey is rolling over in its box in the closet.
Fred Taylor looked awesome on that drive.
Boller is in. He's gonna be starting next week, after the Rams offence responds to his masculine touch.
Awww, wittle brady is throwing a mini-tantrum.
He needs to stop tantruming and concentrate on punching Galloway in the nuts. :mad:
Quote from: sbr on September 27, 2009, 01:31:17 PM
He needs to stop tantruming and concentrate on punching Galloway in the nuts. :mad:
Clearly you are a Brady lover. You have been entered into the list (tm).
LOL.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/26/SP0L19ST9M.DTL
QuoteGannon not welcome in Alameda
David White, Chronicle Staff Writer
Saturday, September 26, 2009
(09-25) 20:59 PDT -- The Raiders can't keep Rich Gannon out of the Coliseum's broadcast booth, so they want to lock the quarterback-turned-TV analyst out of the team facility in Alameda.
Team officials told CBS Sports they did not want Gannon to attend Saturday's television production meetings in advance of Sunday's Raiders-Broncos game, The Chronicle has learned, citing his public criticism of the organization in recent years.
"Rich Gannon is not welcome here," Raiders executive John Herrera said Friday when asked about the ban. "We told CBS we did not want him in our building, we did not want him to be part of our production meeting, and that's where it sits."
The Raiders also asked CBS to remove Gannon from Sunday's broadcast crew but the network declined. The team had previously asked CBS to remove Gannon from working their Nov. 30 game against the Chiefs last season to no avail.
"Rich Gannon is an objective and analytical broadcaster and he will be broadcasting the game as assigned by CBS," said LeslieAnne Wade, senior vice president of communications for CBS Sports.
Telling Gannon to stay away from team headquarters is a new wrinkle that may not be enforceable. League policy says teams must make the head coach and players available to the network television crew for production meetings.
"It is not permitted under league policy regarding cooperation with our network partners," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said when asked if the Raiders could ban Gannon from the production meetings.
The Raiders later conceded the point and relented, the Associated Press reported.
Attempts to reach Gannon for comment through CBS Sports were not successful.
After 12 nondescript seasons, Gannon's career bloomed late when he signed with the Raiders in 1999. He led the Raiders to three straight playoff berths and a Super Bowl XXXVII appearance.
He was voted the league MVP in 2002, made four straight Pro Bowls and was on three All-Pro teams before retiring before the 2005 season.
Gannon went straight into broadcasting, and that's where his relationship with the Raiders became more strained by the season, according to Herrera.
"He's attacked us on a regular basis since becoming a member of the media," Herrera said. "After affording him the opportunity to establish a career here, he has since gone on to attack us in a way that's totally unacceptable."
Herrera quoted Gannon as saying in several interviews they should just "blow up the building and start over" in Oakland. Team officials took that as literally as they did figuratively, and told Gannon as much before last season's home game against the Chiefs.
"We think in a post 9/11 world, that's not a very proper thing to say," Herrera said. "It's uncalled for. He seems to be a guy who can't get over the fact that he played the worst Super Bowl game in the history of the game and he wants to blame everybody but himself.
"I guess it's our fault he threw five interceptions."
Gannon has, indeed, talked often about the "dysfunction" within the Raiders organization, but he's tempered his criticism in recent months.
Earlier this week, he gave a detailed critique of quarterback JaMarcus Russell's accuracy problems and gave coach Tom Cable "a lot of credit" for the team's 1-1 start.
Local fans won't hear what Gannon has to say during Sunday's game, one way or another. The broadcast will be blacked out in the Bay Area because the game didn't sell out.
Did I see that score right? Detroit 13, Washington 0?
Nobody is a Brady Quinn-lover right now.
Quote from: Barrister on September 27, 2009, 01:44:23 PM
Did I see that score right? Detroit 13, Washington 0?
Washington is awful today. I'm afraid to flip to that game, because their suck might infect my TV and DV-R.
Washington just scored.
I should have broken down and gotten Sunday ticket.
I'm stuck with Jets-Titans and Falcons-Patriots.
No Niners-Vikings. :(
Quote from: Barrister on September 27, 2009, 01:48:53 PM
I should have broken down and gotten Sunday ticket.
I'm stuck with Jets-Titans and Falcons-Patriots.
No Niners-Vikings. :(
Nate Clements buttfucked the vikes on a FG block. That is what you get for lusting after Apple products.
Jets are finally showing a pulse after blowing a 14-0 lead.
You know...the Texans would be pretty damn good if they had a defense. They have good players and all that, they just...can't do anything right for some reason. <_< I'm exaggerating, of course, but fuuuck.
Edit: And as I post that, they stuff Jones-Drew and the Jags in the red zone on 3rd and short. I need to bitch more often or something. Jax is going for it, so <insert bitching here> ffffffffff
At least MJD is lighting it up for my LFFL team.
Detroit is still winning :unsure:
And Flacco's having another career day.
Where do I request an invitation to the "Wacco for Flacco" club?
The Bucs are awful. They're getting skunked right now by the Giants. I would not be shocked by a 2-14 or worse season. The team has all the ingredients for a disaster season: Rookie, inexperienced Head Coach, seemingly over his head; Byron Leftwich playing a key role; significant turnover in the coaching staff(the Bucs are winless since Monte Kiffin announced he was leaving last season); several key veterans cut loose in the off-season; a pretty difficult schedule. I'd be pretty down, but fortunately I have the Florida Gators to keep me happy.
As I typed this post, backup Josh Johnson actually led a decent drive, so maybe Leftwich's starting days are over.
So Ravens are pretty good.
'Niners are driving on the 'Vikes.
And they took the lead. :yeah:
Quote from: sbr on September 27, 2009, 02:37:55 PM
'Niners are driving on the 'Vikes.
And they took the lead. :yeah:
:angry:
Quote from: Barrister on September 27, 2009, 02:43:45 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 27, 2009, 02:37:55 PM
'Niners are driving on the 'Vikes.
And they took the lead. :yeah:
:angry:
Sorry. I have been a long time Viking hater, the Favre business this year made it worse. :)
Quote from: sbr on September 27, 2009, 02:47:33 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 27, 2009, 02:43:45 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 27, 2009, 02:37:55 PM
'Niners are driving on the 'Vikes.
And they took the lead. :yeah:
:angry:
Sorry. I have been a long time Viking hater, the Favre business this year made it worse. :)
How can anyone hate the Vikings? They're a fairly inoccuous team.
Allright Favre, show us what're you're made of. Your team is down by 4, 3:30 left, on your own 28.
(I'm now following the play-by-play on the NFL site)
Easy, bunch of Scandi barbaians!
Quote from: Barrister on September 27, 2009, 02:48:46 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 27, 2009, 02:47:33 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 27, 2009, 02:43:45 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 27, 2009, 02:37:55 PM
'Niners are driving on the 'Vikes.
And they took the lead. :yeah:
:angry:
Sorry. I have been a long time Viking hater, the Favre business this year made it worse. :)
How can anyone hate the Vikings? They're a fairly inoccuous team.
The sports bar I used to work at back before DirecTV and the Sudnay Ticket was a Viking's Backer Bar; we showed every game and the place was always packed with loud, obnoxious Vikings fans. They were rude, thery yelled at other customers who where watching other games on other TVs, drank ice water all day and didn't tip the staff. They generally acted like they owned the place but didn't spend any money.
So I guess I hate Vikings fans, but it is easier to dislike the team they like than every fan in in the world.
Wow - Niners have held the Vikes to under a 100 yards rushing so far.
No wonder it's so close...
What does Chicago have going for them that makes them everyone's favorite today at Seattle? Who are they counting on to win the game for them? Cutler? In Seattle, the league's loudest stadium against a Seahawk team that has lost only to the 49ers? I have more faith that Seneca Wallace won't screw up than I do for Jay Cutler.
Quote from: citizen k on September 27, 2009, 02:58:32 PM
What does Chicago have going for them that makes them everyone's favorite today at Seattle? Who are they counting on to win the game for them? Cutler? In Seattle, the league's loudest stadium against a Seahawk team that has lost only to the 49ers? I have more faith that Seneca Wallace won't screw up than I do for Jay Cutler.
Mostly the fact that they beat the Steelers last week.
Quote from: Barrister on September 27, 2009, 02:56:19 PM
Wow - Niners have held the Vikes to under a 100 yards rushing so far.
No wonder it's so close...
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The worst game of Peterson's career came in his only matchup with the 49ers, rushing for three yards on 14 carries and not catching a pass in a 27-7 win Dec. 9, 2007. It's the only time he's been held below 25 yards on the ground.
And Gore has been out most of this game for Niners.
Oh you poor Texans.
Quote from: sbr on September 27, 2009, 02:59:10 PM
Quote from: citizen k on September 27, 2009, 02:58:32 PM
What does Chicago have going for them that makes them everyone's favorite today at Seattle? Who are they counting on to win the game for them? Cutler? In Seattle, the league's loudest stadium against a Seahawk team that has lost only to the 49ers? I have more faith that Seneca Wallace won't screw up than I do for Jay Cutler.
Mostly the fact that they beat the Steelers last week.
Steelers suck.
When not cheating.
4th & 5 for vikes
Fuck.
What an odd season so far, definitely not what I expected. The defense has played much better than the offense.
Some writer were saying the Pats are back to the scrappy winning ugly teams of earlier this decade.
Wait - they're not out of this yet. Make the stop, get it back with about a minute left on the clock.
:unsure:
Quote from: Barrister on September 27, 2009, 03:05:00 PM
Fuck.
You guys will get ball back one more time it looks like.
Thank God - Fox switched over to the game.
good god, what they fuck are the seahawks wearing?
The Jets-Titans game was damn close. Real competitive game too.
Ryan Mouton will probably be Jets MVP of the week.
Quote from: Barrister on September 27, 2009, 02:48:46 PM
How can anyone hate the Vikings? They're a fairly inoccuous team.
Brett Favre.
Quote from: citizen k on September 27, 2009, 02:58:32 PM
What does Chicago have going for them that makes them everyone's favorite today at Seattle? Who are they counting on to win the game for them? Cutler? In Seattle, the league's loudest stadium against a Seahawk team that has lost only to the 49ers? I have more faith that Seneca Wallace won't screw up than I do for Jay Cutler.
Your faith in Wallace's ability not to fail is misplaced. Without Hasselbeck, the Seahawks are a shadow of themselves.
You know, this right here is why I'm glad they god Favre.
Can you imagine this situation with Tavaris?
Touchdown!!!!!
Edit: god Favre? subliminal mistake?
Meant to type got
Lions Win! :o
Quote from: Barrister on September 27, 2009, 03:13:41 PM
You know, this right here is why I'm glad they god Favre.
Can you imagine this situation with Tavaris?
Just wait a couple of months.
Quote from: Neil on September 27, 2009, 03:19:19 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 27, 2009, 03:13:41 PM
You know, this right here is why I'm glad they god Favre.
Can you imagine this situation with Tavaris?
Just wait a couple of months.
They wouldn't have won that game though if they didn't have Favre.
Apparently their first game with over 300 passing yards since 2005.
Quote from: Barrister on September 27, 2009, 03:20:44 PM
They wouldn't have won that game though if they didn't have Favre.
Yeah, but what difference does it make? Favre might win them the first 9-10 games, but what do they do when he's done?
7-2 against the spread in the early games, with one loss being a really silly pick of the Chiefs. :cool:
Quote from: katmai on September 27, 2009, 03:08:29 PM
good god, what they fuck are the seahawks wearing?
:x
They make the Ducks look stylish.
Quote from: katmai on September 27, 2009, 03:06:45 PM
Some writer were saying the Pats are back to the scrappy winning ugly teams of earlier this decade.
We'll see.
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2009, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: katmai on September 27, 2009, 03:06:45 PM
Some writer were saying the Pats are back to the scrappy winning ugly teams of earlier this decade.
We'll see.
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Pst...I'd worry about the Steelers. The Pats haven't won the Superbowl in FIVE years. Hell, if the Steelers make it to another than the Pats won't even be the team of the decade! :nelson:
Quote from: Strix on September 27, 2009, 03:40:16 PM
Pst...I'd worry about the Steelers. The Pats haven't won the Superbowl in FIVE years. Hell, if the Steelers make it to another than the Pats won't even be the team of the decade!
They'll worry about the Steelers but not next week, when they play the Patriots. You mouthbreathing douchebag.
Well, I'm now officially fed up with the Bungles this season. God hates me.
Quote from: Strix on September 27, 2009, 03:40:16 PM
Pst...I'd worry about the Steelers.
Why? There's a lot of games until they play the Steelers.
Ravens fans might as well pencil in a 'w' for both Bungles games. Fucking Carson Palmer.
Quote from: Neil on September 27, 2009, 03:12:53 PM
Quote from: citizen k on September 27, 2009, 02:58:32 PM
What does Chicago have going for them that makes them everyone's favorite today at Seattle? Who are they counting on to win the game for them? Cutler? In Seattle, the league's loudest stadium against a Seahawk team that has lost only to the 49ers? I have more faith that Seneca Wallace won't screw up than I do for Jay Cutler.
Your faith in Wallace's ability not to fail is misplaced. Without Hasselbeck, the Seahawks are a shadow of themselves.
Cutler still sucks. :)
Heh 6-3 against the spread on the early games.
Quote from: katmai on September 27, 2009, 03:08:29 PM
good god, what they fuck are the seahawks wearing?
Looks like they got a good deal on some school crossing uniforms.
Cutler looks pretty good. I don't think they're going to come back today but da Bear's offense looks a lot better than last year.
Quote from: Strix on September 27, 2009, 03:40:16 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2009, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: katmai on September 27, 2009, 03:06:45 PM
Some writer were saying the Pats are back to the scrappy winning ugly teams of earlier this decade.
We'll see.
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Pst...I'd worry about the Steelers. The Pats haven't won the Superbowl in FIVE years. Hell, if the Steelers make it to another than the Pats won't even be the team of the decade! :nelson:
Even if they won one more they'd have 3 Superbowls and so would the Pats. Tiebreaker goes to the Pats because they made it to a 4th and the Steelers didn't.
I can understand watching the Bungholes self-destruct to the Pittsburgh Rapists as it's a CBS doubleheader game, but I have no idea why I'm getting the New Orleans-Buffalo game here on FOX.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2009, 04:43:48 PM
I can understand watching the Bungholes self-destruct to the Pittsburgh Rapists as it's a CBS doubleheader game, but I have no idea why I'm getting the New Orleans-Buffalo game here on FOX.
Buffalo is the closest city playing in late games?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2009, 04:43:48 PM
I can understand watching the Bungholes self-destruct to the Pittsburgh Rapists as it's a CBS doubleheader game, but I have no idea why I'm getting the New Orleans-Buffalo game here on FOX.
They probably thought it would be high scoring because New Orleans has a good offense and a bad defense.
Quote from: Neil on September 27, 2009, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: Strix on September 27, 2009, 03:40:16 PM
Pst...I'd worry about the Steelers.
Why? There's a lot of games until they play the Steelers.
Let me clarify my statement. I was looking at the macro rather than the micro view of the season. I believe that once again the Steelers and Ravens will meet in a game that decides the season for both teams (mostly likely in the playoffs).
The Pats are has beens at best which the Ravens will prove next week. Brady is slow and the Pats line isn't what it used to be. This Brady is looking more like Bledsoe at the end of his tenure with New England. Brady is still a great QB like Bledsoe was at the end but both got to the point they couldn't outrun the defense or elude the pressure. Rex exposed Brady for the world and now the Ravens will finish the job.
Quote from: katmai on September 27, 2009, 04:45:38 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2009, 04:43:48 PM
I can understand watching the Bungholes self-destruct to the Pittsburgh Rapists as it's a CBS doubleheader game, but I have no idea why I'm getting the New Orleans-Buffalo game here on FOX.
Buffalo is the closest city playing in late games?
Fuck that. I want that West Coast love, mang.
EVERY FUCKING WEEK IT IS DENVER IN THE FUCKING LATE GAME WITH NO OTHER FUCKING GAME ON BECAUSE I AM TOO POOR TO BUY A SATTELLIGHT PACKAGE.
fuck
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2009, 04:48:18 PM
Quote from: katmai on September 27, 2009, 04:45:38 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2009, 04:43:48 PM
I can understand watching the Bungholes self-destruct to the Pittsburgh Rapists as it's a CBS doubleheader game, but I have no idea why I'm getting the New Orleans-Buffalo game here on FOX.
Buffalo is the closest city playing in late games?
Fuck that. I want that West Coast love, mang.
It's gotta be a better game than San Diego - Miami. :x
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2009, 04:48:18 PM
Fuck that. I want that West Coast love, mang.
pfft i got stuck with Titans-Oilers in first game, now i'm stuck with snoozefest Broncos-Raiders and Seabirds-Bears to choose from.
Quote from: PDH on September 27, 2009, 04:49:56 PM
EVERY FUCKING WEEK IT IS DENVER IN THE FUCKING LATE GAME WITH NO OTHER FUCKING GAME ON BECAUSE I AM TOO POOR TO BUY A SATTELLIGHT PACKAGE.
fuck
Leave wyoming and reclaim your california heritage!
Duh.
Quote from: katmai on September 27, 2009, 04:51:48 PM
Quote from: PDH on September 27, 2009, 04:49:56 PM
EVERY FUCKING WEEK IT IS DENVER IN THE FUCKING LATE GAME WITH NO OTHER FUCKING GAME ON BECAUSE I AM TOO POOR TO BUY A SATTELLIGHT PACKAGE.
fuck
Leave wyoming and reclaim your california heritage!
Duh.
Not until they agree to tax me like Wyoming does.
Actually, watching NFL Gameday on the NFL Network is more fun; they goof on everything.
"That's an awful shirt Jeff Fisher is wearing."
"He would look better with a chair from NFL Shop."
Quote from: PDH on September 27, 2009, 04:49:56 PM
EVERY FUCKING WEEK IT IS DENVER IN THE FUCKING LATE GAME WITH NO OTHER FUCKING GAME ON BECAUSE I AM TOO POOR TO BUY A SATTELLIGHT PACKAGE.
fuck
At least you don't have to deal with Elway anymore.
Quote from: PDH on September 27, 2009, 04:52:17 PM
Not until they agree to tax me like Wyoming does.
Hey then you can live with all Broncos, all the time!
Will Pennington have a shot at winning a third comeback player of the year award next year? Stay tuned.
Quote from: katmai on September 27, 2009, 04:53:20 PM
Quote from: PDH on September 27, 2009, 04:52:17 PM
Not until they agree to tax me like Wyoming does.
Hey then you can live with all Broncos, all the time!
I knew there would be a downside...
Quote from: Valmy on September 25, 2009, 08:13:22 AM
This week will determine just how putrid the Redskins' season will be. Losing to the Lions could make the wheels fall off very quickly. Winning and they get to delay the ineviteable for another couple weeks.
The Skins day of execution has not been delayed. Oh well at least a high draft pick awaits them.
Quote from: Valmy on September 27, 2009, 05:10:22 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 25, 2009, 08:13:22 AM
This week will determine just how putrid the Redskins' season will be. Losing to the Lions could make the wheels fall off very quickly. Winning and they get to delay the ineviteable for another couple weeks.
The Skins day of execution has not been delayed. Oh well at least a high draft pick awaits them.
Snyder will trade it away for two Raider former 1st round choices.
Quote from: PDH on September 27, 2009, 05:11:05 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 27, 2009, 05:10:22 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 25, 2009, 08:13:22 AM
This week will determine just how putrid the Redskins' season will be. Losing to the Lions could make the wheels fall off very quickly. Winning and they get to delay the ineviteable for another couple weeks.
The Skins day of execution has not been delayed. Oh well at least a high draft pick awaits them.
Snyder will trade it away for two Raider former 1st round choices.
:pinch:
Valmy, in the Power Poll I just conducted I'm afraid the Foreskins are officially the worstest team in the league.
Quote from: PDH on September 27, 2009, 05:11:05 PM
Snyder will trade it away for two Raider former 1st round choices.
Well again none of those losers on the offense are big time free agents he fucked up with and that is where the problem is.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2009, 05:12:13 PM
Valmy, in the Power Poll I just conducted I'm afraid the Foreskins are officially the worstest team in the league.
Raiders? :contract:
Losing to the Lions > The Old Man in the Tracksuit.
Quote from: Barrister on September 27, 2009, 05:13:09 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2009, 05:12:13 PM
Valmy, in the Power Poll I just conducted I'm afraid the Foreskins are officially the worstest team in the league.
Raiders? :contract:
Nope.
After watching that malauga injury on replay, I want to vomit.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2009, 05:12:13 PM
Valmy, in the Power Poll I just conducted I'm afraid the Foreskins are officially the worstest team in the league.
I take it you are the only pollster? :P
Well they are playing like the worst team in the league. Just like last year the Redskins gained almost 400 yards of offense and only managed 2 touchdowns. That is how they lose games: play great defense, move the ball, fail to score, and lose anyway.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 27, 2009, 03:16:37 PM
Lions Win! :o
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 27, 2009, 03:16:37 PM
Lions Win! :o
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:lol: Hail to the Foreskins.
Quote from: Barrister on September 27, 2009, 05:13:09 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2009, 05:12:13 PM
Valmy, in the Power Poll I just conducted I'm afraid the Foreskins are officially the worstest team in the league.
Raiders? :contract:
The Raiders are a just below average team, with the worst QB in the league, the Redskins are an all around train wreck.
Bengals have a chance.
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Don't say I didn't warn you man.
I thought the Bengals weren't allowed to win? :unsure:
God loves me. And work will be fun tomorrow. I'm gonna rub it in every Steelhead fan's face. Fuckers.
4-1 in the late games, for a total of 11-3 so far this week. Should have taken those picks to a bookie.
Alas poor Steelers....
At least this shoots some holes in CdM's theory about the league and refs favoring the Steelers. They had a couple fourth downs and a multitude of chances to call a penalty that would have crushed the Bengals chances.
Quote from: Strix on September 27, 2009, 06:42:50 PM
At least this shoots some holes in CdM's theory about the league and refs favoring the Steelers. They had a couple fourth downs and a multitude of chances to call a penalty that would have crushed the Bengals chances.
Not really. They got their calls earlier in the first two games.
Two words to explain today's lack of overt league assistance of the Rapists: Plausible. Deniability.
Can someone explain the crackback rule to me? I always thought it was intended to stop 2 linemen double teaming a defender, one guy high and one guy at the knees. How was Cutler's block on the reverse a crackback? How is what he did different than a cut block?
The Texans' uniforms today were like a bad Arizona Wildcat nightmare. Make them stop, MBM.
Poor Strix. The Steelers losing to the Bengals must be demoralizing.
The fucking Buccaneers are killing me.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 27, 2009, 07:04:34 PM
Can someone explain the crackback rule to me? I always thought it was intended to stop 2 linemen double teaming a defender, one guy high and one guy at the knees. How was Cutler's block on the reverse a crackback? How is what he did different than a cut block?
No, that's a chop block. A crackback is when an offensive player blindsides a defender against the flow of the play by engaging him low or in the back.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 27, 2009, 03:16:37 PM
Lions Win! :o
Late last season one of the local pizza chains promised free pizza for everyone when the Lions win a game. This Tuesday is free pizza day at Shield's in Metro Detroit. :)
One of the best wins I've seen at PBS. Up there with the upset vs. the undedeated Chiefs a few years back.
Quote from: Neil on September 27, 2009, 07:06:27 PM
Poor Strix. The Steelers losing to the Bengals must be demoralizing.
It was. Tomlin is being too conservative at the end of games. His playing calling gets reduced to run stuffed left, run stuffed right, Ben throws for a short completion, and punt followed by the other team driving down the field for victory.
He needs to realize that Ben's arm is the only thing working right now and to just let Ben do what needs to be done.
Quote from: Strix on September 27, 2009, 08:42:12 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 27, 2009, 07:06:27 PM
Poor Strix. The Steelers losing to the Bengals must be demoralizing.
It was. Tomlin is being too conservative at the end of games. His playing calling gets reduced to run stuffed left, run stuffed right, Ben throws for a short completion, and punt followed by the other team driving down the field for victory.
He needs to realize that Ben's arm is the only thing working right now and to just let Ben do what needs to be done.
I wonder if Tomlin is destined to be the next John Gruden of coaching - wins a Super Bowl with another man's team, rides that reputation for a few years, but is ultimately run out of town...
Arizona just got majorly screwed on that non-call.
Quote from: Strix on September 27, 2009, 08:42:12 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 27, 2009, 07:06:27 PM
Poor Strix. The Steelers losing to the Bengals must be demoralizing.
It was. Tomlin is being too conservative at the end of games. His playing calling gets reduced to run stuffed left, run stuffed right, Ben throws for a short completion, and punt followed by the other team driving down the field for victory.
He needs to realize that Ben's arm is the only thing working right now and to just let Ben do what needs to be done.
They have no running game, and their offensive line is a mess. They got away with it last year--barely--but this season, it's totally dysfunctional.
12 yards rushing in the fourth quarter? 29 yards total rushing in the second half? With the lead? It's going to be a long season for Rapistburger.
I went 1-1 on my picks, so I'm out $10 in imaginary internet vig.
Seriously though, Indy taking 2 1/2? What were they thinking?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 27, 2009, 10:26:45 PM
I went 1-1 on my picks, so I'm out $10 in imaginary internet vig.
Seriously though, Indy taking 2 1/2? What were they thinking?
Exact;y what I thought. I' take those points any day of the week.
Alot of the fans are bitching about Zorn now but I think it would be nuts to can the guy. I know this is the NFL and all but the Redskins desperately need stability in their organization. Zorn should get at least four years to get the ship righted.
Quote from: Valmy on September 27, 2009, 11:15:05 PM
Alot of the fans are bitching about Zorn now but I think it would be nuts to can the guy. I know this is the NFL and all but the Redskins desperately need stability in their organization. Zorn should get at least four years to get the ship righted.
:lol:
This is the NFL, and particularly the Redskins. Lincoln and Hitler go through less coaches than Snyder.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2009, 11:39:41 PM
:lol:
This is the NFL, and particularly the Redskins. Lincoln and Hitler go through less coaches than Snyder.
I know, I know. A guy can dream though right?
So, back from Ralph Wilson Stadium. Damned Drew Brees. <_< I enjoyed surviving a second trip into the place wearing enemy colors, as I had on a Will Smith jersey on (Go Utica!). I was thinking my buddies and I would have to sneak out, but the Buffalo "faithful" were all funneling out with about 4:00 minutes to go in the 4th. By the end, it was a vast majority Saints fans cheering. We walked out with no hassles, and plenty of cheering. This was a marked contrast from the walking in, where we were booed and heckled endlessly. Silly Bills fans thinking their team was for real. :lol:
In other football news, I really want to know what the hell it'll take for Jamarcus to get benched. I don't think there's anything he can do for Al to pull the trigger short of having Al motor in to find him in a threesome with Shannahan and Kiffin while they ritually execute the remaining Super Bowl winning Raiders he still likes and wiping their asses with Raider jerseys. Even then, he'd probably just turn a blind eye to Jamarcus' involvement and add it to the portfolio of reasons Kiffin shouldn't get his money. Fuck. It's killing me. I think they'd have a legit shot at the AFC West if they had a qb. Then the run game wouldn't be facing extra guys every time and the defense wouldn't tire out from being on the field constantly.
The Browns... :( Wow. Talk about completely fucking up. Mangenius should be fired. Now. The only problem is, is that the GM is his boy. Dumbass Lerner. Fack. Looks like I'll be following the Ravens again as a legit contender to have on the back burner of interest.
edit: Just saw this in the San Jose Mercury about the Raider game:
"By game's end, the only thing that captivated the disappointed fans was the numerous fights in the stands. Several people were arrested, including at least two women."
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on September 28, 2009, 02:04:01 AM
Just saw this in the San Jose Mercury about the Raider game:
"By game's end, the only thing that captivated the disappointed fans was the numerous fights in the stands. Several people were arrested, including at least two women."
Awesome.
Meanwhile, I for one am thoroughly enjoying yet another Pittsburgh Super Bowl hangover. The Post-Gazette has turned on them already.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 27, 2009, 04:55:08 PM
Will Pennington have a shot at winning a third comeback player of the year award next year? Stay tuned.
Holy crap, I was right! :(
I have a feeling the Bungles will be hungover enough from yesterday's win to give the Brownies their first win. If not, however, the Bungles-Ravens game the following week will be interesting.
I enjoyed rubbing it in every Steeltard's face today at work.
WHERE'S YOUR RUNNING GAME NOW?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 28, 2009, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 27, 2009, 04:55:08 PM
Will Pennington have a shot at winning a third comeback player of the year award next year? Stay tuned.
Holy crap, I was right! :(
I think he's done. This is the third time he's had a season-ending injury to his throwing shoulder.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 28, 2009, 04:53:09 PM
I enjoyed rubbing it in every Steeltard's face today at work.
WHERE'S YOUR RUNNING GAME NOW?
Just hope that you can beat them in the rematch. Getting swept by the Bengals is the most humiliating feat possible in the AFC North.
My dislike of John Gruden is growing with every thing he says.
Ory-gone State. :bleeding:
Quote from: Neil on September 28, 2009, 07:37:39 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 28, 2009, 04:53:09 PM
I enjoyed rubbing it in every Steeltard's face today at work.
WHERE'S YOUR RUNNING GAME NOW?
Just hope that you can beat them in the rematch. Getting swept by the Bengals is the most humiliating feat possible in the AFC North.
Being swept by the Browns?
Damn I was hoping the Cowgirls would lose. :(
Delhomme gonna be benched yet?
Quote from: Barrister on September 28, 2009, 10:29:07 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 28, 2009, 07:37:39 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 28, 2009, 04:53:09 PM
I enjoyed rubbing it in every Steeltard's face today at work.
WHERE'S YOUR RUNNING GAME NOW?
Just hope that you can beat them in the rematch. Getting swept by the Bengals is the most humiliating feat possible in the AFC North.
Being swept by the Browns?
That was my initial thought, but the Browns have had some very successful periods in the history of the franchise.
If we are talking about the new version of the Browns I think you are right.
EDIT: Though the AFC North is more recent than the new version of the Browns, so I go with the Browns.
And I beat Seedy by a single point.
37 points by Manning. :worship:
Pretty lackluster Monday Night game.
Quote from: Neil on September 28, 2009, 07:37:39 PM
Getting swept by the Bengals is the most humiliating feat possible in the AFC North.
No shit. In 1998 the Bungles went 3-13 but still swept the Steelers :)
Quote from: Barrister on September 28, 2009, 10:32:13 PM
And I beat Seedy by a single point.
37 points by Manning. :worship:
And the Danes go 3 - 0 thanks to... Cutler. :huh:
Quote from: Liep on September 29, 2009, 04:25:16 AM
And the Danes go 3 - 0 thanks to... Cutler. :huh:
:yeah:
Although to be fair, Cutler is a "B" quarterback on a team that has seen about a fifty year stretch of "C," "D" and/or "F" quarterbacks. He's nowhere near as good as what all of the hype might lead one to believe, but he's arguably the best quarterback to start for the Bears in my lifetime, so I'll take what I can get -- at least until the Blackhawks' season starts on Friday morning & I switch gears...
:ccr
Quote from: C.C.R. on September 29, 2009, 09:55:57 AM
Quote from: Liep on September 29, 2009, 04:25:16 AM
And the Danes go 3 - 0 thanks to... Cutler. :huh:
:yeah:
Although to be fair, Cutler is a "B" quarterback on a team that has seen about a fifty year stretch of "C," "D" and/or "F" quarterbacks. He's nowhere near as good as what all of the hype might lead one to believe, but he's arguably the best quarterback to start for the Bears in my lifetime, so I'll take what I can get -- at least until the Blackhawks' season starts on Friday morning & I switch gears...
:ccr
Jim McMahon was a winner.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 29, 2009, 11:56:39 AM
Jim McMahon was a winner.
I agree with that statement. He was a positive contributor to a team that won a Super Bowl. However, I still think that he was only an average quarterback in comparison to the abilities of his peers...
I miss the punky QB. :cry:
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 29, 2009, 12:18:17 PM
I miss the punky QB. :cry:
:console:
He was certainly in the right place at the right time...
Quote from: Strix on September 27, 2009, 08:42:12 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 27, 2009, 07:06:27 PM
Poor Strix. The Steelers losing to the Bengals must be demoralizing.
He needs to realize that Ben's arm is the only thing working right now .
Well we know nothing above the neck is working.
2-1 with my terrible team, don't know how they're doing it.
Neil is 0-3. :ph34r:
Quote from: Alcibiades on September 29, 2009, 12:59:02 PM
2-1 with my terrible team, don't know how they're doing it.
Neil is 0-3. :ph34r:
Holy shit, really?
Jesus, I'd given up on that game.
Quote from: C.C.R. on September 29, 2009, 09:55:57 AM
:yeah:
Although to be fair, Cutler is a "B" quarterback on a team that has seen about a fifty year stretch of "C," "D" and/or "F" quarterbacks. He's nowhere near as good as what all of the hype might lead one to believe, but he's arguably the best quarterback to start for the Bears in my lifetime, so I'll take what I can get -- at least until the Blackhawks' season starts on Friday morning & I switch gears...
:ccr
Kyle Orton's team is 3-0. :cool:
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on September 29, 2009, 02:36:21 PM
Kyle Orton's team is 3-0. :cool:
How has he been playing for Denver? I don't dislike Orton or wish bad things upon him, I just don't think that he was ever going to distinguish himsef in Chicago...
49/88 passing for 663 yards, 3 td's and 0 int's or fumbles. I've always been a fan of his, too bad the damned dirty Bears traded him to Denver. He was actually doing quite well last year prior to screwing his ankle up I thought. I think he'd be doing as well as Cutler is odds are. All of that plus the Bears wouldn't have traded away their future and I could still be a fan. <_<
Quote from: C.C.R. on September 29, 2009, 12:10:06 PM
I agree with that statement. He was a positive contributor to a team that won a Super Bowl. However, I still think that he was only an average quarterback in comparison to the abilities of his peers...
Agree about the average quarterback. A lot of QBs are going to look good if they consistently face 2nd and 2.
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on September 29, 2009, 03:09:37 PM
49/88 passing for 663 yards, 3 td's and 0 int's or fumbles. I've always been a fan of his, too bad the damned dirty Bears traded him to Denver. He was actually doing quite well last year prior to screwing his ankle up I thought. I think he'd be doing as well as Cutler is odds are. All of that plus the Bears wouldn't have traded away their future and I could still be a fan. <_<
Those numbers should have an asterisk for the Bungles' tipped pass. The best thing you can say about Orton is he hasn't thrown an INT-- oh and he's apparently really good at handing off the ball for running plays.
Hey Valmy, whatever happened to that young Skins QB that got the snot beat out him under Spurrier? Cut? Benched? Traded? Dead?
Quote from: derspiess on September 29, 2009, 03:57:39 PM
Those numbers should have an asterisk for the Bungles' tipped pass. The best thing you can say about Orton is he hasn't thrown an INT-- oh and he's apparently really good at handing off the ball for running plays.
He won't lose you games though. I'd take consistent but not flashy over flashy and streaky. He still makes opposing teams respect the pass attack even if the run is doing well. I'd love to have someone of his skill (or as the majority of writers quip, lack thereof) at qb in Oakland.
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on September 29, 2009, 04:47:12 PM
I'd love to have someone of his skill (or as the majority of writers quip, lack thereof) at qb in Oakland.
I know some people in Denver who agree :P
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 29, 2009, 04:08:53 PM
Hey Valmy, whatever happened to that young Skins QB that got the snot beat out him under Spurrier? Cut? Benched? Traded? Dead?
Patrick Ramsey? He's 2nd or 3rd string QB for the Titans IIRC.
Quote from: Alcibiades on September 29, 2009, 12:59:02 PM
2-1 with my terrible team, don't know how they're doing it.
Neil is 0-3. :ph34r:
My wideouts are all injured or suspect. It hurts.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 29, 2009, 04:51:17 PM
Patrick Ramsey? He's 2nd or 3rd string QB for the Titans IIRC.
Thanks. Poor kid.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 29, 2009, 04:53:40 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 29, 2009, 04:51:17 PM
Patrick Ramsey? He's 2nd or 3rd string QB for the Titans IIRC.
Thanks. Poor kid.
Hey look at it like this: Once Kerry Collins finally gets benched, he only has to wait a couple of days for Vince to try and kill himself and boom! Starting QB for a team not called the Redskins. He probably planned this all out.
Quote from: derspiess on September 29, 2009, 04:51:12 PM
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on September 29, 2009, 04:47:12 PM
I'd love to have someone of his skill (or as the majority of writers quip, lack thereof) at qb in Oakland.
I know some people in Denver who agree :P
They actually think Orton is worse than Jamarcus? :huh: Wow.
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on September 29, 2009, 04:47:12 PM
He won't lose you games though. I'd take consistent but not flashy over flashy and streaky. He still makes opposing teams respect the pass attack even if the run is doing well. I'd love to have someone of his skill (or as the majority of writers quip, lack thereof) at qb in Oakland.
I think that it's fair to say that Orton was "brought up" in a Bears system that emphasized Not Fucking Up -- making safe plays that avoid turning the ball over & relying on Defense/Special Teams to provide Da Bears' Offense with decent field position. It's obviously a pretty basic & common strategy in football, but after a lifetime of watching Da Bears play "Meat & Potatoes" football I personally find it a bit refreshing that Management(TM) is at least trying to take a little zestier of a tack with Cutler.
Or something. I think that trading Orton for Cutler will boost Da Bears from being .500 this year to 9-7 or 10-6, but in the end they still won't make the playoffs...
10-6 and not make the playoffs? In the NFC? :huh:
Hell, the Bears might even win their division, depending on how long Favre's arm holds out.
Quote from: Neil on September 29, 2009, 05:06:25 PM
10-6 and not make the playoffs? In the NFC? :huh:
Hell, the Bears might even win their division, depending on how long Favre's arm holds out.
I think Minnesota's fate will depend WAAAAY more on Adrian Peterson than Favre...
...And even IF (and that's a big "if") Da Bears squeak into a Wild Card spot I think they'll be crushed in the first round. Not that I want to see it happen, but they're looking pretty shakey thus far...
Quote from: C.C.R. on September 29, 2009, 05:17:28 PM
I think Minnesota's fate will depend WAAAAY more on Adrian Peterson than Favre...
...And even IF (and that's a big "if") Da Bears squeak into a Wild Card spot I think they'll be crushed in the first round. Not that I want to see it happen, but they're looking pretty shakey thus far...
I disagree. They'll lose respectably in the first round.
Quote from: C.C.R. on September 29, 2009, 05:17:28 PM
I think Minnesota's fate will depend WAAAAY more on Adrian Peterson than Favre...
I don't know. There's a lot of teams that are really good at stuffing the run. When the Vikings have to play them, it's going to be on Favre to win those games, and we all know that at some point during the season, he just won't have the juice.
Quote from: Neil on September 29, 2009, 06:23:13 PM
Quote from: C.C.R. on September 29, 2009, 05:17:28 PM
I think Minnesota's fate will depend WAAAAY more on Adrian Peterson than Favre...
I don't know. There's a lot of teams that are really good at stuffing the run. When the Vikings have to play them, it's going to be on Favre to win those games, and we all know that at some point during the season, he just won't have the juice.
You can't make it true just by repeating it in every single thread about the Vikings. :contract:
Quote from: Barrister on September 29, 2009, 06:32:57 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 29, 2009, 06:23:13 PM
Quote from: C.C.R. on September 29, 2009, 05:17:28 PM
I think Minnesota's fate will depend WAAAAY more on Adrian Peterson than Favre...
I don't know. There's a lot of teams that are really good at stuffing the run. When the Vikings have to play them, it's going to be on Favre to win those games, and we all know that at some point during the season, he just won't have the juice.
You can't make it true just by repeating it in every single thread about the Vikings. :contract:
Why not? I made it true by saying it about the Jets last year.
Hey, don't get my wrong. I want the Vikings to do well. I just want them to be punished for bringing in Favre, and thus fucking up the NFL season.
Ouch. I went 7-9 this week. 6-10 against the spead. My love for the longshots hurt me.