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I'm sorry Berkut. :console:
He looks like the wise old seer guy from Krull! :o
Typical Libertarian alright.
I love Krull. Had that whole 80's orchestral thing going for it. They really don't do that anymore.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 24, 2009, 08:18:48 AM
I love Krull. Had that whole 80's orchestral thing going for it. They really don't do that anymore.
I liked those early 80s movies that were sort of fantasy, but also sort of science fiction at the same time. Another classic: Yor, The Hunter from the Future.
For some reason, I always confused Krull and Beastmaster in my memory of both movies.
Quote from: derspiess on July 24, 2009, 08:40:51 AM
For some reason, I always confused Krull and Beastmaster in my memory of both movies.
:huh:
Beastmaster was pure fantasy without a sci-fi element, and additionally starred the (then) insanely-hot Tanya Roberts.
Quote from: Caliga on July 24, 2009, 08:43:40 AM
Quote from: derspiess on July 24, 2009, 08:40:51 AM
For some reason, I always confused Krull and Beastmaster in my memory of both movies.
:huh:
Beastmaster was pure fantasy without a sci-fi element, and additionally starred the (then) insanely-hot Tanya Roberts.
They came out roughly around the same time, and IIRC had some similar elements. The thing is I only saw both films in bits & pieces (that is until HBO started running Beastmaster 5 times a day in the mid 80s).
Plus, I'm not a sci-fi nor a fantasy guy, so cut me some slack, Jack :mad:
Well anyways, back on topic... Raz's pathetic attempts to bait Berkut are always appreciated by me. :)
Quote from: Caliga on July 24, 2009, 08:20:49 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 24, 2009, 08:18:48 AM
I love Krull. Had that whole 80's orchestral thing going for it. They really don't do that anymore.
I liked those early 80s movies that were sort of fantasy, but also sort of science fiction at the same time. Another classic: Yor, The Hunter from the Future.
Yor! That was another one I remembered fondly for years, even though even as a kid I realized it was horrible.
I used to watch Yor every time HBO showed it.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 24, 2009, 11:34:25 AM
Yor! That was another one I remembered fondly for years, even though even as a kid I realized it was horrible.
I'm trying to remember what happened at the end... but wasn't it that Yor discovered that there was a nuclear war like a million years before and they were the survivors, who had forgotten about civilization (hence the title)?
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 24, 2009, 08:18:48 AM
Typical Libertarian alright.
I love Krull. Had that whole 80's orchestral thing going for it. They really don't do that anymore.
What is a typical Libertarian anyway? Are there some polls that reflect the "typical" Libertarian's beliefs.
Quote from: Caliga on July 24, 2009, 08:43:40 AM
:huh:
Beastmaster was pure fantasy without a sci-fi element, and additionally starred the (then) insanely-hot Tanya Roberts.
Did the Beastmaster come from an American city and then he was caught in some kind of dimensional warp that took him to whatever land that was?
Quote from: PRC on July 24, 2009, 12:35:33 PMDid the Beastmaster come from an American city and then he was caught in some kind of dimensional warp that took him to whatever land that was?
:unsure: I don't think so.
Are you thinking of Time Bandits? :unsure:
Quote from: Caliga on July 24, 2009, 12:40:59 PM
:unsure: I don't think so.
Are you thinking of Time Bandits? :unsure:
No i'm thinking of the sequel.. Beastmaster 2: Through the Portal of Time
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101412/
Quote from: PRC on July 24, 2009, 12:45:52 PM
No i'm thinking of the sequel.. Beastmaster 2: Through the Portal of Time
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101412/
There was a sequel? :bleeding:
btw I thought the creativity displayed in that movie was GENIOUS. A vicious tribe of nomads named.. the JUNS.
When I make a fantasy movie, it will star a general from the Groman Empire battling against the Farthian hordes from the Orient. The general shall be named Crattus.
Quote from: Caliga on July 24, 2009, 11:38:19 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 24, 2009, 11:34:25 AM
Yor! That was another one I remembered fondly for years, even though even as a kid I realized it was horrible.
I'm trying to remember what happened at the end... but wasn't it that Yor discovered that there was a nuclear war like a million years before and they were the survivors, who had forgotten about civilization (hence the title)?
Yeah. Ceptin there were dinosaurs and laserguns and aliens in there for some reason too. And some Atlantis like city of obnoxious people.
Quote from: Caliga on July 24, 2009, 12:49:44 PM
Quote from: PRC on July 24, 2009, 12:45:52 PM
No i'm thinking of the sequel.. Beastmaster 2: Through the Portal of Time
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101412/
There was a sequel? :bleeding:
btw I thought the creativity displayed in that movie was GENIOUS. A vicious tribe of nomads named.. the JUNS.
When I make a fantasy movie, it will star a general from the Groman Empire battling against the Farthian hordes from the Orient. The general shall be named Crattus.
The sequel was an abomination that makes other abominations like New Coke or Greedo shooting first look as wholesome as apple pie and baseball (pre steroids).
Quote from: Razgovory on July 24, 2009, 12:29:51 PM
What is a typical Libertarian anyway? Are there some polls that reflect the "typical" Libertarian's beliefs.
Dunno. You are the one claiming this guy is a Libertarian. Since the story doesn't mention that, presumably you recognize Libertarians by their haircuts. Or is it that they live in campers/basements/wilderness huts and are (or should be) under psychiatric care?
Quote from: grumbler on July 25, 2009, 11:50:52 AM
You are the one claiming this guy is a Libertarian. Since the story doesn't mention that
The story mentioned that he was a member of the Montana Freemen, which believed that all forms of organized government were illegitimate. That sounds pretty Libertarian.
Quote from: ulmont on July 25, 2009, 12:09:10 PM
Quote from: grumbler on July 25, 2009, 11:50:52 AM
You are the one claiming this guy is a Libertarian. Since the story doesn't mention that
The story mentioned that he was a member of the Montana Freemen, which believed that all forms of organized government were illegitimate. That sounds pretty Libertarian.
http://www.lp.org/ (http://www.lp.org/) is the Libertarian national web site. Go ahead and find me a policy or philosophical statement that says that "all forms of organized government [a]re illegitimate."
Quote from: grumbler on July 25, 2009, 12:14:58 PM
Quote from: ulmont on July 25, 2009, 12:09:10 PM
Quote from: grumbler on July 25, 2009, 11:50:52 AM
You are the one claiming this guy is a Libertarian. Since the story doesn't mention that
The story mentioned that he was a member of the Montana Freemen, which believed that all forms of organized government were illegitimate. That sounds pretty Libertarian.
http://www.lp.org/ (http://www.lp.org/) is the Libertarian national web site. Go ahead and find me a policy or philosophical statement that says that "all forms of organized government [a]re illegitimate."
No, but you get gems like this:
QuoteRather than banning guns, the politicians and the police should encourage gun ownership, as well as education and training programs. A responsible, well-armed and trained citizenry is the best protection against domestic crime and the threat of foreign invasion. America's founders knew that. It is still true today.
Quote from: grumbler on July 25, 2009, 12:14:58 PM
Quote from: ulmont on July 25, 2009, 12:09:10 PM
Quote from: grumbler on July 25, 2009, 11:50:52 AM
You are the one claiming this guy is a Libertarian. Since the story doesn't mention that
The story mentioned that he was a member of the Montana Freemen, which believed that all forms of organized government were illegitimate. That sounds pretty Libertarian.
http://www.lp.org/ (http://www.lp.org/) is the Libertarian national web site. Go ahead and find me a policy or philosophical statement that says that "all forms of organized government [a]re illegitimate."
It's not in the LP platform, no, except as an extrapolation from the following statements:
QuoteGovernments throughout history have regularly operated on the opposite principle, that the State has the right to dispose of the lives of individuals and the fruits of their labor. Even within the United States, all political parties other than our own grant to government the right to regulate the lives of individuals and seize the fruits of their labor without their consent.
We, on the contrary, deny the right of any government to do these things
Denying the right of any government to do the things the LP says every government does sounds an awful lot like calling all governments illegitimate.
I'll concede that the official LP platform nowhere explicitly calls all government illegitimate...but relying only on the official LP platform for the beliefs of Libertarians seems a bit limiting (and a standard not often applied to the Democratic or Republican parties).
Dragonslayer pwnz all that 80's shit.
Libertarians are backwards barbarians anyways. Their ideology is virtually extinct, and the world is a better place for it.
Quote from: ulmont on July 25, 2009, 12:39:38 PM
It's not in the LP platform, no, except as an extrapolation from the following statements:
(snip)
Denying the right of any government to do the things the LP says every government does sounds an awful lot like calling all governments illegitimate.
Not unless you are :tinfoil: Saying that governments should not have certain powers has nothing to do with their legitimacy.
QuoteI'll concede that the official LP platform nowhere explicitly calls all government illegitimate...but relying only on the official LP platform for the beliefs of Libertarians seems a bit limiting (and a standard not often applied to the Democratic or Republican parties).
Only you, Fate, and Raz (and maybe Neil) would call particular scumbags members of a political party without evidence. It is like calling all members of the KKK Democrats because they believe in the superiority of the "white race," while noting that this is not a Democratic Party stance.
Quote from: Neil on July 25, 2009, 12:49:53 PM
Libertarians are backwards barbarians anyways. Their ideology is virtually extinct, and the world is a better place for it.
Yes, they are going the way of the monarchists, and I agree that this is a good thing. Society is too complex and people too interdependent for the Libertarian ideal to work anymore. Maybe in Jefferson's time it was still possible.
Quote from: grumbler on July 25, 2009, 02:08:06 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 25, 2009, 12:49:53 PM
Libertarians are backwards barbarians anyways. Their ideology is virtually extinct, and the world is a better place for it.
Yes, they are going the way of the monarchists, and I agree that this is a good thing. Society is too complex and people too interdependent for the Libertarian ideal to work anymore. Maybe in Jefferson's time it was still possible.
Monarchism is still going strong. Most of the English-speaking countries are still monarchies.
And many arab ones!
Anyway, I don't think it's fair to call a libertarian a scumbag. Just because he acts on political beliefs that the government shouldn't infringe on what he does in the bed room.
One of government's key functions is to persecute Martinus. Libertarians would deprive them of the mechanisms with which to do this. It is not enough to depend on private citizens to persecute him.
Quote from: Neil on July 25, 2009, 02:16:23 PM
Monarchism is still going strong. Most of the English-speaking countries are still monarchies.
Most English-speaking countries are non-authoritarian, but that doesn't mean libertarianism is getting any healthier than monarchism.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 25, 2009, 02:32:02 PM
Anyway, I don't think it's fair to call a libertarian a scumbag. Just because he acts on political beliefs that the government shouldn't infringe on what he does in the bed room.
Agreed. Not even the sub-branch that lives in their parents' basements and add "mom" to "government" in that formulation.
This sucks. I baited a good troll and all I cought was a Grumbler. A sour and unpalatable fish indeed. <_<
Quote from: grumbler on July 25, 2009, 02:59:51 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 25, 2009, 02:16:23 PM
Monarchism is still going strong. Most of the English-speaking countries are still monarchies.
Most English-speaking countries are non-authoritarian, but that doesn't mean libertarianism is getting any healthier than monarchism.
Of course not. No civilized country even approaches the libertarian ideal, and people like it like that. On the other hand, the vast majority of civilized countries are monarchies, and there isn't really much impetus to change that. Thus, monarchism is healthy, while libertarianism is not.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 25, 2009, 03:09:44 PM
This sucks. I baited a good troll and all I cought was a Grumbler. A sour and unpalatable fish indeed. <_<
Just throw him back, son. He'll bite whatever you cast into the lake next week.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 25, 2009, 03:09:44 PM
This sucks. I baited a good troll and all I cought was a Grumbler. A sour and unpalatable fish indeed. <_<
try it breaded and deep fried.
I read this as Morgan Freeman. Now that would have been a thread.
Quote from: grumbler on July 25, 2009, 02:06:00 PM
Only you, Fate, and Raz (and maybe Neil) would call particular scumbags members of a political party without evidence.
I have the evidence; this particular scumbag was a member of a group that thought all government was illegitimate. I can find at least one article (cursory search) from Lew Rockwell's site that explicitly says government is illegitimate:
Quote from: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/snyder2.htmlChrist's command thus renders government illegitimate.
Lew Rockwell is well-known as a libertarian; therefore, it is not insane to classify the belief that government is illegitimate as a libertarian belief, or at least a belief held by some libertarians. Your insistence that only the LP platform counts for "Libertarians" is in One True Scotsman territory.
:)
Get 'em, Dick.
I would say that the Libertarian Party platform is rather important for Libertarians, but far less so for libertarians.
If Libertarians think government is illegitimate why do they keep running for office?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 25, 2009, 03:29:19 PM
If Libertarians think government is illegitimate why do they keep running for office?
Why did the CNT take government posts during the Spanish Civil war? Why do Communists own businesses? Why do small government conservatives increase the size of government? Who knows?
:weep:
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 25, 2009, 03:18:04 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 25, 2009, 03:09:44 PM
This sucks. I baited a good troll and all I cought was a Grumbler. A sour and unpalatable fish indeed. <_<
try it breaded and deep fried.
I had my eye on the Throbbing Cuckold. :( Instead I caught something older then a Coelacanth. On the otherhand I did catch a Leventine Well-spoiler. Easy to bait, but tremendous fun to watch thrash around.
Hey now, Grumbler was at Actium. Show some respect, or he'll ram your boat.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 25, 2009, 03:09:44 PM
This sucks. I baited a good troll and all I cought was a Grumbler. A sour and unpalatable fish indeed. <_<
And I baited for a bottom-dweller and caught a Raz, just as expected. :P
Not that that is hard, mind. Sometimes it is best, though, to go for the sure thing.
Quote from: ulmont on July 25, 2009, 03:26:02 PM
I have the evidence; this particular scumbag was a member of a group that thought all government was illegitimate. I can find at least one article (cursory search) from Lew Rockwell's site that explicitly says government is illegitimate:
Quote from: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/snyder2.htmlChrist's command thus renders government illegitimate.
You have an article that says that Jeff Snyder thinks that Christ has rendered all government illegitimate. Big woop. Jeff Snyder isn't the Libertarians.
QuoteLew Rockwell is well-known as a libertarian; therefore, it is not insane to classify the belief that government is illegitimate as a libertarian belief, or at least a belief held by some libertarians. Your insistence that only the LP platform counts for "Libertarians" is in One True Scotsman territory.
Lew Rocvkwell is a well-known Ron Paul fan, and Ron Paul is a Republican who thinks that government is legitimate, and is also on Lew Rockwell's site. Are we now going to argue that Edward Harper is a republican because he shared some ideas with a guy who was on Lew Rockwell's site and Ron Paul is also quoted on Lew Rockwell's site?
BTW, the site you sourced also notes that "the views expressed in the articles do not necessarily represent those of Lew Rockwell." If Lew Rockwell himself has argued that all government is illegitimate, you might (just might) have a point - if Lew Rockwell were, indeed, a Libertarian (as opposed to a libertarian).
Big-L Libertarians are members of a political party. Small-l libertarians are anyone who calls themselves by that title, just as conservatives, liberals, and radicals are.
Quote from: Caliga on July 24, 2009, 08:20:49 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 24, 2009, 08:18:48 AM
I love Krull. Had that whole 80's orchestral thing going for it. They really don't do that anymore.
I liked those early 80s movies that were sort of fantasy, but also sort of science fiction at the same time. Another classic: Yor, The Hunter from the Future.
Krull was awesome. I don't think I've ever seen Yor.
It's right up there with Krull, Dragonslayer, Spacehunter, Beastmaster, and Flash Gordon.
FLASH! AAAAAH-AAAAAH! HE'LL SAVE EVERY ONE OF US! :punk:
What happened to the chick that played Dale Arden? So HOTT :perv: