I saw this, and realized this is just the sort of thing Languish likes reading about when it comes to the higher education experience.
Lots of embedded links in the piece, should you choose to exercise your right to click on them. Or not. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/12/28/64-demands-by-u-md-student-coalition-include-prayer-rooms-in-every-major-building-shuttles-to-muslim-center/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_3_na)
QuoteMinority students at U-Md. issue 64 demands, including prayer rooms in every major building and shuttles to Muslim center
By Valerie Strauss
December 28, 2016
Washington Post
A coalition of 25 student organizations representing eight minority communities at the University of Maryland has presented a list of 64 demands to the administration. They include increased mental-health support and scholarships for marginalized students, as well as prayer rooms in every "major" building and shuttle service for Muslim students to a Muslim center.
The coalition, called ProtectUMD, sent a letter with the demands to officials at the University of Maryland at College Park in late November and met with a group of them at President Wallace D. Loh's request, according to the Diamondback, the school's major independent student newspaper. The Diamondback recently published a special project explaining each specific demand as it relates to students, which you can see here. (A full list of the demands is below.)
The petitioners listed the communities of students that participated in the initiative this way: "Marginalized, American Indian, Black, Latinx, LGBTQIA+, Muslim, Pro-Palestine, Undocumented." No Jewish group at the university signed the list of demands, which include a call for "the active encouragement of faculty and students to engage in discourse and learning about the Palestinians' struggles and the Boycott Divest and Sanction movement without fear of consequences by the university administration." The BDS movement is a Palestinian-led global campaign to put economic and political pressure on Israel, and it is opposed by many Jewish students.
Asked for a comment about the demands and what the university would do in response, a university spokesman sent this response:
We commend the students for their passionate advocacy and for coming together in solidarity on these issues. President Loh has convened a group of his staff to thoroughly review the list of demands and make recommendations accordingly. That process is well underway.
A short time after the demands were publicized, white-nationalist posters appeared on the College Park campus; authorities said they appeared to be part of an effort targeted at colleges in a number of states, according to this Post story.
Among the 64 demands (which you can see in full below):
• Required diversity training for Greek organizations and groups recognized by the Student Government Association.
• An immediate response to hate speech or actions from university officials, including a consequence for the perpetrators.
• Penalties for groups that screen movies that "perpetuate false narratives and stereotypes" of Muslims.
• Acknowledgment during every campus event that "this is indigenous land," along with efforts to "officially recognize the tribe or nation whose land upon which the University of Maryland is built."
• One room in each major building designated for prayer.
• A full-time undocumented-student coordinator to advocate for, advise, represent and protect undocumented and "DACAmented students." (DACA is the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which shields some undocumented immigrants from deportation.)
• A declaration of the College Park campus "as a sanctuary campus for undocumented and DACAmented students and their families."
• Converting the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Studies Program into a department in order to provide curricular autonomy.
• University System of Maryland divestment from Maryland Correctional Enterprises, the prison industry arm of Maryland's Division of Corrections, as well as "student divestment from businesses and companies invested in MCE and the prison industrial complex."
• Shuttle service for students on the College Park campus to the Diyanet Center of America in Lanham for "Muslim students to have access to a place of worship and participate in the many activities that the center hosts."
The absence of Jewish groups from the initiative underscores continuing tensions between the Jewish and pro-Palestinian communities at the College Park campus. In April, for example, a celebration hosted by the Jewish Student Union called Israel Fest was protested by a few dozen students who carried pro-Palestinian flags, chanted and lay on the ground. The protesters left after security intervened. The Jewish Student Union's website says it is the largest cultural and social organization recognized and sponsored by the university.
A statement issued to the Diamondback from ProtectUMD about why no Jewish groups signed the demands said that any community was welcome to participate. It said in part:
ProtectUMD is a coalition of organizations throughout the University of Maryland's campus dedicated to uniting the different voices into one voice for change. When the coalition was created, multiple organizations were contacted to participate while others contacted us themselves. Not all organizations chose to be a part of the coalition. ProtectUMD respects this choice. No one organization is in charge of the coalition and as such, the purpose of ProtectUMD is not to prioritize demands but uplift the needs of all marginalized communities. As a result of this, we did not turn away any communities that wished to stand with us.
The newspaper's project includes video responses from a few Jewish student leaders about why their groups did not participate. Sam Fishman of the Jewish Student Union said, for example:
In the ProtectUMD letter, they kind of indirectly call out JSU for smearing them as anti-Semitic. And the exact quote is, "Administration should support and defend activist groups by nullifying slander and smear campaign from bigger group." JSU also happens to be one of the largest student groups on campus. "Example: Many members of [Students for Justice in Palestine] were slandered as anti-Semitic for being pro-Palestine." That is a clear reference, I believe, to our response to the protests at Israel Fest last year. And first of all, if you read my opinion piece in the Atlanta Jewish Times and [JSU President Julia Ring's] in the Diamondback, you will not see the words "anti-Semitic" anywhere. You will not see us accusing them of hating Jews. We rebuke their positions on Israel, sort of. And we call for why they should not have protested our event. But never do we smear them as anti-Semitic. And I think to call JSU out for that is completely ridiculous.
The groups that signed the list of demands are: the African Students Progressive Action Committee; Alpha Kappa Alpha sorority,Theta Nu chapter; Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity, Iota Zeta chapter; the American Indian Student Union; Ashley Vasquez, Behaviorial and Social Science College, University Senate, Committee on Committees undergraduate representative; Bisexuals at Maryland; the Black Student Union; Hermandad de Sigma Iota Alpha, Chi chapter; the Coalition of Latinx Student Organizations; Community Roots; Sigma Gamma Rho sorority, Eta Beta chapter; the Ethiopian Eritrean Student Association; Delta Sigma Theta sorority, Kappa Phi chapter; Katherine Swanson, student body president; U-Md. NAACP; Lambda Theta Alpha Latin sorority, Upsilon chapter; Lambda Theta Phi Latin fraternity, Delta Eta chapter; the Muslim Students Association; True Colors of Maryland; Political Latinxs United for Movement and Action in Society; Preventing Sexual Assault; the Pride Alliance; Students for Justice in Palestine; the Student Labor Action Project; and Our Revolution.
The 64 demands follow, and each is linked to the linked Diamondback story:
For All Marginalized Student Communities
Required diversity training for SGA recognized and Greek organizations.
The University employ more professors of color in all university departments
Increased mental health support and resources for students of color.
University scholarships for students of marginalized communities.
A statement from President Loh reassuring marginalized UMD students that the University is committed to making UMD a safe space for all marginalized groups in response to the election and urging these students to speak out when they feel that the university is not meeting this goal.
Accountability for hate speech or action:
Immediate response to hate speech or actions from the University including a consequence (e.g. mark on transcript, potential suspension);
Immediate turnaround for the removal of hate speech printed or written on campus property, sidewalks and boards;
A task force separate from UMPD officers to look into investigations.
Revamping of the Diversity and Cultural Competency General Education requirement.
Students that meet this requirement should take a class that allows them not only to understand other cultures, but also by the end of the course have an understanding of privilege, oppression, and marginalized groups.
Representation of students of color on UMD Student Judiciary and Senate.
Study into the punishment statistics by race/gender/etc. of students at some point in the coming year — the legal system is rife with discrimination against minorities, especially those in poverty. It is crucial that our student judiciary is more equitable and gives all students a fair judgement.
Establishing a voluntary accreditation for activist groups.
Administration should support and defend activist groups by nullifying slander and smear campaign from bigger group. Example: Many members of SJP were slandered as anti-Semitic for being pro-Palestine;
Make free legal advice available for students participating in activism who face slander or other dishonest claims while exercising their rights to protest and free speech;
Provide protection during campus events that might make students feel unsafe because of their political implications [ie Israel Fest for Muslim and Arab students, Columbus day and Independence Day for American Indian students etc.].
The University of Maryland match the campus minimum wage to Prince George's minimum wage.
An established safe, secure and permanent location for the Office of Civil Rights & Sexual Misconduct at The University of Maryland.
The creation and implementation of Dean of Students with supporting staff.
Role
Serve as liaison for student needs and concerns on behalf of administration
Get to know student groups on campus and is actively available for students; makes efforts to attend student engagements
Serve as an ally to marginalized students
Help implement policy change on behalf of student concerns
Requirements:
Master's or Doctoral degree in Education Administration
Experience in diversity and inclusion on institutional level
Preferably a representative from a vulnerable group
Approach:
Students serve on Dean of Students search committee along with other staff, professors and administrators
For the American Indian Student Community
The University officially remove the Christopher Columbus Day holiday from all university materials and mediums. Replace it with Indigenous Peoples' Day to take away the stain of colonialism from our University.
Acknowledge during every event, that "this is indigenous land." Make efforts to officially recognize the tribe or nation whose land upon which the University of Maryland is built.
Establish an Indigenous Studies minor.
Funding for AISU and departments such as Multicultural Involvement and Community Advocacy office, who supports indigenous students and their efforts.
The official recognition of the Sarah Winnemucca award in the University awards.
An indigenous scholarship for college students as well as high school students.
An indigenous cultural center where students can explore their indigenous identity and others.
For the Black Student Community
University System of Maryland divestment from Maryland Correctional Enterprises.
UMD student divestment from businesses and companies invested in MCE and the prison industrial complex.
Tenure for African American professors.
Increased funding for the Nyumburu Cultural Center and making the Nyumburu Cultural Center a stop during UMD campus tours.
For the Latinx Student Community
A claim to physical space on campus. A school that prides itself on diversity has failed to give students of color adequate, quality space such as a Latinx Cultural Center.
University recruitment practices involving students of color that making them and their friends feel welcome and included on campus.
A faculty body that is more diverse and representative of branches of academia that deal with the history and discourse of minority populations and integrating this into majors such as a USLT major and a road for tenure for the professors who teach in these departments.
More funding allocated for multicultural student organizations in order to execute educational and cultural programming to help bridge the diversity divide on campus.
For the LGBTQIA+ Student Community
Mandated faculty training in the fundamentals of campus inclusion of queer folks.
Students be allowed the choice of different gender roommates in the residence halls through random matching.
Multi-stall gender-inclusive bathrooms in every building with multi-stall bathrooms.
Converting the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender (LGBT) Studies program into a department in order to provide curricular autonomy.
Including pronouns in addition to names on student rosters seen by faculty and advisors.
Implementing a campus wide policy to replace male-female checkboxes with write-in boxes on all forms, surveys, and applications.
Gender neutral bathrooms in all buildings on campus.
Faculty (especially those working in the health center and counseling center), students, and college park police take part in queer diversity training, such as the Rainbow Terrapin Network.
The administration advocate for and defend the Arts and Humanities, as they are one of the departments most sensitive to LGBTQ issues and also one of the most at risk under new state and federal leadership.
For the Muslim Student Community
Protect the names and religious/ethnic affiliations of students should they be demanded from the government for harmful use.
An increase in the number of safe, designated prayer areas on campus.
One room in each major building (e.g. SPH, Chemistry, McKeldin etc.) designated for prayer.
Shuttle services to the Diyanet Center of America for Muslim students to have access to a place of worship and participate in the many activities that the center hosts.
Increased discussions about the diversity of the Muslim community on campus and worldwide.
More classes offered pertaining to Islam and the Muslim world taught by Muslim professors, who will counteract the negativity surrounding the name of Islam that is perpetuated by our culture and media.
Measures to prevent situations similar to the "American Sniper" situation from happening again.
SEE and other organizations on campus should have better judgement when choosing to show movies that perpetuate false narratives and stereotypes of Muslim and should be held accountable if they do not take this into consideration.
More Zabiha options on the campus meal plan to accommodate Muslims who adhere to those rulings.
More counselors who are sensitive to the needs of Muslim students. Ensure that the have the training be sensitive to the nuances in the Muslim community and are from the communities we often come from.
Additional training or staff is necessary.
For the Pro-Palestine Student Communities
The encouragement of equal and positive representation of Pro-Palestinian human rights activists on campus. Specifically, condemning the conflation of Pro-Palestinian activism with racism and Anti-Semitism.
Pro-Palestinian activists are people who seek the fair treatment of Palestinians in Palestine and the rest of the world. Pro-Palestinians do not reject the human rights of any group of people, and encourage a fair and just system of governance across the globe.
The active encouragement of faculty and students to engage in discourse and learning about the Palestinians' struggles and the Boycott Divest and Sanction movement without fear of consequences by the university administration.
Faculty and students have long been targeted for their political stances and their rights to free speech impeded, especially on this issue. We hope the university administration recognizes their disenfranchised groups and helps develop an environment within which it is safe for them to voice their opinions.
For the Undocumented Student Community
A full-time Undocumented Student Coordinator to advocate for, advise, represent, and protect undocumented and DACAmented students.
A declaration of the University of Maryland, College Park as a sanctuary campus for undocumented and DACAmented students and their families.
Ensured protection of student information about immigration status from local, state, and government agencies.
A system to ensure reaction and protection from the UMD Administration if an undocumented or DACAmented student faces detention or deportation proceedings.
A full-time immigration attorney for the Offices of Undergraduate and Graduate Student Legal Aid.
An Undocumented Student Resource Office to provide academic counseling, legal support, mental health counseling, and to guide students to university resources.
Mandatory training about undocumented students' unique experiences and needs in academic settings for all university faculty and staff.
A significant expansion of mental health services for all students of color, especially undocumented and DACAmented students.
A system to ensure that DACAmented students can continue to receive in-state tuition if their DACA status is canceled.
An opening up of merit scholarships and emergency funds to undocumented and DACAmented students.
Meanwhile, the Jews just keep going to class. #Cabal101
I can deal with the muslim PC bullshit all day every day but this thing about the Indians.
No, fuck you millennials part 2, you deserve Trump.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 05, 2017, 09:10:04 AM
I can deal with the muslim PC bullshit all day every day but this thing about the Indians.
You Canuckistanians and your Injun hangups. Even the Frenchie ones hate 'em. It'a fur trapper thingy, isn't it?
Camps.
What is an undocumented student?
We have plenty Indians in our Toronto head office. Oddly, they're all in IT. Actually, with the head of the department having left, there's only Indians in the department. Well, 4 Indians, and a Syrian Christian who's currently on paternity leave.
Quote from: Tamas on January 05, 2017, 09:31:37 AM
What is an undocumented student?
Someone with a good memory?
I just love the use of "Latinx", it sounds like a privatized space program, launching Cholonauts into orbit.
All this seems likely to massively increase tuition expenses. Free legal advice? A new department? A special additional police force just for hate crimes?
Is that really what students from marginalized communities want? More debt? One would think they would want a high quality education at as low a cost as possible without all these bells and whistles.
Wait why are Native American students feeling politically threatened about Independence Day? Are they especially pro-British?
Quote from: Valmy on January 05, 2017, 10:03:20 AM
All this seems likely to massively increase tuition expenses. Free legal advice? A new department? A special additional police force just for hate crimes?
Is that really what students from marginalized communities want? More debt? One would think they would want a high quality education at as low a cost as possible without all these bells and whistles.
Wait why are Native American students feeling politically threatened about Independence Day? Are they especially pro-British?
I am pretty sure they want free education as well.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 05, 2017, 09:50:18 AM
I just love the use of "Latinx", it sounds like a privatized space program, launching Cholonauts into orbit.
How does one say that? Like Lynx?
Quote from: Valmy on January 05, 2017, 10:06:10 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 05, 2017, 09:50:18 AM
I just love the use of "Latinx", it sounds like a privatized space program, launching Cholonauts into orbit.
How does one say that? Like Lynx?
La Tinks. You know, en español.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 05, 2017, 09:50:18 AM
I just love the use of "Latinx", it sounds like a privatized space program, launching Cholonauts into orbit.
:lol:
Quote from: Tamas on January 05, 2017, 10:05:53 AM
I am pretty sure they want free education as well.
It does not really reflect the vast majority of College Students these days. Very few of them are political activists, regardless of their ethnic background. Many of them are older and are just trying to get a degree for their career goals. They don't want massive costs to support political initiatives and the tax payers certainly do not want to pay them.
I knew many Muslim students at UT Austin and even the most devout would have found little good to say about wasting an entire room in each building for prayer. That is just bizarre. But granted they were all Engineers, hardly a group with the time or inclination for political actions.
I'd give my opinion of young people today but it might hurt the delicate feelings of the whiny pussies here. Like Zoupa and his vagina bleed.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 05, 2017, 10:48:26 AM
I'd give my opinion of young people today but it might hurt the delicate feelings of the whiny pussies here. Like Zoupa and his vagina bleed.
Dude go for it, I find this shit retarded too :P
Quote from: Zoupa on January 05, 2017, 11:18:05 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 05, 2017, 10:48:26 AM
I'd give my opinion of young people today but it might hurt the delicate feelings of the whiny pussies here. Like Zoupa and his vagina bleed.
Dude go for it, I find this shit retarded too :P
I spent my anger frothing in the other thread. :P
I do think it is annoying that after years of fighting with the right wingers about prayer and religious indoctrination in public schools, now left wingers want to use tax payer money to fund prayer rooms.
We give you fucks tax exemptions. That should be good enough.
Quote from: Tamas on January 05, 2017, 09:31:37 AM
What is an undocumented student?
Someone in the United States without legal documentation to be here, ie a student Visa.
Quote from: merithyn on January 05, 2017, 11:59:33 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 05, 2017, 09:31:37 AM
What is an undocumented student?
Someone in the United States without legal documentation to be here, ie a student Visa.
And they are somehow applying, getting into, and taking courses at Universities?
Edit: Wait I guess they get over here on a student Visa and let it expire?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 05, 2017, 09:27:28 AM
You Canuckistanians and your Injun hangups. Even the Frenchie ones hate 'em. It'a fur trapper thingy, isn't it?
It's an alcoholic panhandler thing.
Quote from: Valmy on January 05, 2017, 12:00:27 PM
Quote from: merithyn on January 05, 2017, 11:59:33 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 05, 2017, 09:31:37 AM
What is an undocumented student?
Someone in the United States without legal documentation to be here, ie a student Visa.
And they are somehow applying, getting into, and taking courses at Universities?
Apparently, in many places it's not illegal for them to do so. Although they don't have access to the kind of financial assistance that makes it easy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undocumented_students_in_the_United_States
QuoteAdmission & enrollment[edit]
There is no federal law that prohibits the admission of undocumented immigrants to U.S. colleges and universities, public or private, nor does federal law require students to prove citizenship in order to enter U.S. institutions of higher education.[24] However, every institution has its own policies on admitting undocumented students. For example, following a 2003 recommendation by the state attorney general, many 4-year state colleges in Virginia require applicants to submit proof of citizenship or legal residency, and refuse admission to students without documentation.[24] This policy is not, however, a state law. South Carolina and Alabama, do not allow undocumented students to apply to public universities[25]
Guess I wasted all that money on my F-1!
Ah.
Weird. Who knew?
But yeah I doubt most members of the demographic in question can pay for their tuition in cash. I wonder if they can get residency for tuition purposes.
What the kind of fucked up system you have over there? How can somebody without a legal permit to be in the country apply and go to college/uni? What is the point of visas then, to begin with? Apart from creating an underclass of servants that will fix your roof for pennies, that is.
Quote from: Tamas on January 05, 2017, 12:11:49 PM
What the kind of fucked up system you have over there? How can somebody without a legal permit to be in the country apply and go to college/uni? What is the point of visas then, to begin with? Apart from creating an underclass of servants that will fix your roof for pennies, that is.
It is nice when people answer their own question.
When I was applying for US colleges pretty much everyone asked me whether I would have a Visa. Some went even further and wanted proof of ties with Spain, to prove I wasn't likely to go AWOL and become an illegal alien if they took me in. So I'm not sure there are that many that accept undocumenteds.
Those were all big, post-grad colleges though. It might be different for undergrads and regional institutions.
This is the kind of ridiculousness that has come to define "the left", and it is incredibly damaging.
Quote from: Berkut on January 05, 2017, 12:20:21 PM
This is the kind of ridiculousness that has come to define "the left", and it is incredibly damaging.
Which is unfortunate, because it really defines "the young." But they just don't stop coming. :lol:
Quote from: Tamas on January 05, 2017, 12:11:49 PM
What the kind of fucked up system you have over there? How can somebody without a legal permit to be in the country apply and go to college/uni? What is the point of visas then, to begin with? Apart from creating an underclass of servants that will fix your roof for pennies, that is.
That's how the US works.
Hell, iirc, in California you can get a drivers license even if you are not in the country legally.
Quote from: Berkut on January 05, 2017, 12:20:21 PM
This is the kind of ridiculousness that has come to define "the left", and it is incredibly damaging.
At least they rarely come into political power. Unlike the ridiculousness of the Right.
Quote from: Berkut on January 05, 2017, 12:20:21 PM
This is the kind of ridiculousness that has come to define "the left", and it is incredibly damaging.
Of course it is, which is why it's getting so much play.
Quote from: Tamas on January 05, 2017, 12:11:49 PM
What the kind of fucked up system you have over there? How can somebody without a legal permit to be in the country apply and go to college/uni?
Careful now-- that sounds like rightwing reactionary Trumpspeak.
Quote from: derspiess on January 05, 2017, 01:29:18 PM
Quote from: Tamas on January 05, 2017, 12:11:49 PM
What the kind of fucked up system you have over there? How can somebody without a legal permit to be in the country apply and go to college/uni?
Careful now-- that sounds like rightwing reactionary Trumpspeak.
Huh? It is the rightwing reactionaries who constantly block every effort to reform the fucked up system.
Poor Dubya. He tried.
I don't think rightwing reactionaries are making any efforts to ensure universities continue to admit illegal immigrants.
Quote from: derspiess on January 05, 2017, 01:44:17 PM
I don't think rightwing reactionaries are making any efforts to ensure universities continue to admit illegal immigrants.
No, but they're the ones who insist that illegal immigrants remain illegal immigrants.
Quote from: derspiess on January 05, 2017, 01:44:17 PM
I don't think rightwing reactionaries are making any efforts to ensure universities continue to admit illegal immigrants.
Well they have had plenty of time when they have controlled the government to pass a Federal requirement for it. If they wanted to. But they don't. They block any and every attempt to make the immigration business make sense.
Quote from: merithyn on January 05, 2017, 11:59:33 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 05, 2017, 09:31:37 AM
What is an undocumented student?
Someone in the United States without legal documentation to be here, ie a student Visa.
That's a bit of obfuscation though surely? Typically that term has been deployed by the left as the PC version of illegal alien.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 05, 2017, 12:39:36 PM
Quote from: Tamas on January 05, 2017, 12:11:49 PM
What the kind of fucked up system you have over there? How can somebody without a legal permit to be in the country apply and go to college/uni? What is the point of visas then, to begin with? Apart from creating an underclass of servants that will fix your roof for pennies, that is.
That's how the US works.
Hell, iirc, in California you can get a drivers license even if you are not in the country legally.
It is called bowing to realism. California can't decide its own immigration policy but it can decide not to treat those who did not legally migrate like dirt.
Quote from: garbon on January 05, 2017, 02:14:58 PM
Quote from: merithyn on January 05, 2017, 11:59:33 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 05, 2017, 09:31:37 AM
What is an undocumented student?
Someone in the United States without legal documentation to be here, ie a student Visa.
That's a bit of obfuscation though surely? Typically that term has been deployed by the left as the PC version of illegal alien.
A student visa is "documentation." Undocumented students
are illegal aliens, and the ones I've seen stuff about tend to have lived here a long time (there was a big uproar not too long ago about one posting on Facebook/Twitter/whatever about being accepted to UT and illegal, although IIRC her family had lived here since she was a baby).
What's stupid is that you have somebody living 10+ years illegally, in some weird limbo. You can go full right wing and deport him, or go liberal and give a path to residence. Just do *something*.
Quote from: celedhring on January 05, 2017, 02:32:40 PM
What's stupid is that you have somebody living 10+ years illegally, in some weird limbo. You can go full right wing and deport him, or go liberal and give a path to residence. Just do *something*.
Well we just picked Trump.
Quote from: Tamas on January 05, 2017, 12:11:49 PM
What the kind of fucked up system you have over there? How can somebody without a legal permit to be in the country apply and go to college/uni? What is the point of visas then, to begin with? Apart from creating an underclass of servants that will fix your roof for pennies, that is.
Because many people are brought to the US as infants or children, and unlike in your People's Paradise, they still have to make a living and get on with their lives. If they graduate from US high schools and can show they came to the US as children (based on attendance in primary schools), then they are allowed to attend some of the colleges.
What kind of a fucked up person are you that you want to punish college-aged kids for the crimes of their parents?
Quote from: garbon on January 05, 2017, 02:14:58 PM
That's a bit of obfuscation though surely? Typically that term has been deployed by the left as the PC version of illegal alien.
Are you saying the University of Maryland All Victims' Committee used a PC term?? :o
Quote from: garbon on January 05, 2017, 02:16:20 PM
California can't decide its own immigration policy
That's not entirely true. For example Safe Haven cities.
One important issue that rarely gets discussed is how representative various pc crusader organizations are for their respective minority/special interest group. I have no idea how many members you need to have to qualify as an "official" college club. If the 64 organizations have five members each on average at a 20,000 student college then, well, it's a Shakespeare play. It seems media attention is often focused on organized pc craziness...10,000 people in the streets with no organization behind them? Ignored.
Quote from: celedhring on January 05, 2017, 02:32:40 PM
What's stupid is that you have somebody living 10+ years illegally, in some weird limbo. You can go full right wing and deport him, or go liberal and give a path to residence. Just do *something*.
I agree with you, but the Republican Party of the US does not. By doing nothing, they contributed to the sense of crisis, and hoped that the public would blame the Democrats for the unwillingness of Congress to fulfill its sworn duties, rather than the Republicans who actually were willing to fuck over the country. And it worked. part of the reason so many morons voted for trump was because they saw an entirely fictional "immigration crisis' that could only be resolved by a fuhrer with the willpower to do the unpalatable.
Hell, you can see here how willfully ignorant the Trump voters were.
Quote from: Delirium on January 05, 2017, 02:46:49 PM
One important issue that rarely gets discussed is how representative various pc crusader organizations are for their respective minority/special interest group. I have no idea how many members you need to have to qualify as an "official" college club. If the 64 organizations have five members each on average at a 20,000 student college then, well, it's a Shakespeare play. It seems media attention is often focused on organized pc craziness...10,000 people in the streets with no organization behind them? Ignored.
That's the nature of news, though.
Quote from: Delirium on January 05, 2017, 02:46:49 PM
One important issue that rarely gets discussed is how representative various pc crusader organizations are for their respective minority/special interest group. I have no idea how many members you need to have to qualify as an "official" college club. If the 64 organizations have five members each on average at a 20,000 student college then, well, it's a Shakespeare play. It seems media attention is often focused on organized pc craziness...10,000 people in the streets with no organization behind them? Ignored.
Yup. But people like hearing about the terrible/ evil/ stupid/ ridiculous/ coddled/ foolish PC students so that's what gets reported and shared. Kids these days.
Quote from: Delirium on January 05, 2017, 02:46:49 PM
One important issue that rarely gets discussed is how representative various pc crusader organizations are for their respective minority/special interest group.
Because you cannot get people upset about how our society is being destroyed and how terrible kids today are if you mention how few people this actually involves.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 05, 2017, 02:46:33 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 05, 2017, 02:16:20 PM
California can't decide its own immigration policy
That's not entirely true. For example Safe Haven cities.
I guess so but much in the same way as legalizing weed (or even just medical marijuana), they are in danger of feds overruling them.
Quote from: garbon on January 05, 2017, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 05, 2017, 02:46:33 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 05, 2017, 02:16:20 PM
California can't decide its own immigration policy
That's not entirely true. For example Safe Haven cities.
I guess so but much in the same way as legalizing weed (or even just medical marijuana), they are in danger of feds overruling them.
Yeah, do the liberals who want Safe Havens and the like really want to take John C. Calhoun's position on the issue of federal vs state powers?
Quote from: dps on January 05, 2017, 08:25:58 PM
Yeah, do the liberals who want Safe Havens and the like really want to take John C. Calhoun's position on the issue of federal vs state powers?
Everybody likes John C. Calhoun's position when DC is on the other side of an issue.
Turn illegals into Helots. PROBLEM SOLVED
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 05, 2017, 08:48:53 PM
Turn illegals into Helots. PROBLEM SOLVED
They already are.
Quote from: dps on January 05, 2017, 08:25:58 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 05, 2017, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 05, 2017, 02:46:33 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 05, 2017, 02:16:20 PM
California can't decide its own immigration policy
That's not entirely true. For example Safe Haven cities.
I guess so but much in the same way as legalizing weed (or even just medical marijuana), they are in danger of feds overruling them.
Yeah, do the liberals who want Safe Havens and the like really want to take John C. Calhoun's position on the issue of federal vs state powers?
I think sanctuary cities were setup by local ordinances aka decision on local laws/local law enforcement so not really about states' rights.