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Info about the candidates coming later. One should be known by all. One more by those who follow French politics once in a while. The rest? Well...

Only one lady sorry. Unlikely to win.

Great, two of them not working, including the favourite.  :lol:

Here they are

N°1
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I'll go for the pain au chocolat dude.

Quote from: Liep on November 20, 2016, 01:29:22 PM
I'll go for the pain au chocolat dude.

How much for the pain au chocolat?  :P

#1

He looks tall and is balding, this is the approved look for French presidents.

Voted for #1, who is a being of pure energy and therefore must be more progressive.

Languish so far going with the flow :(

#1 is Alain Juppé, a convict (LOL) nicknamed Ali Juppé by some far-right circles due to a naive remark about the Islamic Brotherhood and his good relations with the imam of Bordeaux (talk about an assignment in infidel land ). :)

He's a crook too, even better  :frog:

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on November 20, 2016, 01:40:15 PM
He's a crook too, even better  :frog:

The commonly held view is that he took one for the team i.e Chirac. This has some merit IMO. He is still abrasive (former tax collector chief to boot) and the honey moon would be very brief. Plus he is not scary like Sarko the evil right-winger.

Sarkozy has been outflanking le Pen on the right lately, not a very attractive proposition.

Sarkozy talks a lot but outflanking is an exaggeration. For a post-Brexit Britain he's quite tame actually. ;) Thing is, he talks a lot but fails do deliver.
Plus Fillon, #3, former Sarko prime minister, is quite conservative sometimes and somewhat putinist, less than Marine though.
Chillax, for licking Putin's arse Marine is über alles. :)

Not to mention, Macron, former Rotschild banker, with a Jesuit education, on the PS side, is more of a right-winger.  :P

I voted Sark, as I suspect he's the most pro-American, and I'm pretty sure the reasonably attractive woman is a fascist. :alberta:

Well, sorry but Sarko is not the most pro-American, in his current speeches at least.  :P

As for the reasonably attractive lady, Nathalie_Kosciusko-Morizet, she is certainly the "lefty" of this round. Almost bobo, she lost, but not by much, in her bid as Paris mayor.

Is Marine LePen out of the running?

This is the primary election for the right and centre, not for the far-right. Marine Le Pen does not need one for her candidacy. :) Unless her father decides to continue the family feud.

First results indicate a big surprise with Droopy, sorry François Fillon, #3, being the first with more than 40 %. :o
Second, Juppé the favourite, so Sarko is out. That's quite an upset.

These are only estimates for now.

Of all the countless photos available of these people, did you have to go with the 1600 x 1200 desktop wallpaper for all of them?  Fuck, man.

Voted for Captain Eyebrow.

Captain Eyebrow won.

"It is time for me to attempt a life with more private passion and less public passion." -Nicolas Sarkozy  :hmm:

Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 20, 2016, 04:04:33 PM
Of all the countless photos available of these people, did you have to go with the 1600 x 1200 desktop wallpaper for all of them?  Fuck, man.

Those were the best ones for each candidate, sorry.  :Embarrass: Feel free to reduce them with your mod powers.

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 21, 2016, 12:39:11 AM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 20, 2016, 04:04:33 PM
Of all the countless photos available of these people, did you have to go with the 1600 x 1200 desktop wallpaper for all of them?  Fuck, man.

Those were the best ones for each candidate, sorry.  :Embarrass: Feel free to reduce them with your mod powers.

If you use google images you can select the bit that shows image dimensions and many times it'll give you several other sizes of the image.

You can add width=XXX within the [ img ] tag to have the board resize the picture automatically.

Quote from: Phillip V on November 20, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
"It is time for me to attempt a life with more private passion and less public passion." -Nicolas Sarkozy  :hmm:

Once again, a departure speech is better than the speeches he gave during the campaign.  :hmm:

Should I be afraid of Le Pen winning this? It would be a total disaster, and after Brexit and Trump I don't know anymore.

Quote from: celedhring on November 21, 2016, 07:01:21 AM
You can add width=XXX within the [ img ] tag to have the board resize the picture automatically.

I keep forgetting that one. There should be a reminder somewhere staying always on top like the General Issues thread.

Quote from: celedhring on November 21, 2016, 07:53:15 AM
Should I be afraid of Le Pen winning this? It would be a total disaster, and after Brexit and Trump I don't know anymore.

A bit early, the so-called left if beaten by Marine Le Pen and Fillon would say vote Fillon to avoid Le Pen. Hollande, were he to be candidate has no chance of getting to the run-off right now and the other PS figures are the same if less tainted.
Now, Fillon will have to water down his very free-market (for France) program. Some people already call him Thatcher.

Spanish media say Fillon wants detente with Russia, wants to ban gay adoption, is an immigration hardliner, wants to ban the burkini...  I guess he'd be better than Le Pen, but color me unexcited  :hmm:

Quote from: celedhring on November 21, 2016, 08:46:31 AM
Spanish media say Fillon wants detente with Russia, wants to ban gay adoption, is an immigration hardliner, wants to ban the burkini...  I guess he'd be better than Le Pen, but color me unexcited  :hmm:

I see. I guess everybody is going this direction these days.

everyone but Germany?!

Quote from: Grey Fox on November 21, 2016, 10:24:22 AM
everyone but Germany?!

They are coming along.

Damn maybe 2007 was the new Great Depression in more ways than we thought.

Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2016, 10:31:09 AM

Quote from: Grey Fox on November 21, 2016, 10:24:22 AM
everyone but Germany?!

They are coming along.

Damn maybe 2007 was the new Great Depression in more ways than we thought.

Who is left to play the Allies though? Us and Portugal? :thumbsdown:

Quote from: celedhring on November 21, 2016, 08:46:31 AM
Spanish media say Fillon wants detente with Russia, wants to ban gay adoption, is an immigration hardliner, wants to ban the burkini...  I guess he'd be better than Le Pen, but color me unexcited  :hmm:

There are not nearly enough kids to adopt for heteros, let alone homos so that's not a big deal anyways. I suppose the ban of surrogate mothers will be enforced but not even the left is excited at this great civilization advance.  :P
As for the rest, it was primary election time to fire up the base. What will be left after he is elected? Détente with Russia? Good question, he was Sarko's prime minister and was noted for his moderation.

He is just another provincial conservative, the kind the Parisian right used to make fun of in the '80s. Probably more open-minded than Ségolène Royal. :D

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 21, 2016, 12:23:51 PM
There are not nearly enough kids to adopt for heteros, let alone homos so that's not a big deal anyways.

:hmm:

Um the Burkini and Immigration stuff though? That is just going to be ignored when going up against the FN? Doubtful.

Quote from: garbon on November 21, 2016, 12:25:16 PM

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 21, 2016, 12:23:51 PM
There are not nearly enough kids to adopt for heteros, let alone homos so that's not a big deal anyways.

:hmm:

I was about to say. If France needs kids to adopt we have some for export.

Just FYI "kids" includes more than just babies.

After seeing this and post-Brexit tory government, I guess that's how it's gonna be. Become assholes in order to beat the bigger assholes. Not particularly encouraging.

As an aside, I don't have any problem with the concept of lowering tensions with Russia. I just don't think there's a honest bargainer at the other side of the table.

Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2016, 12:26:39 PM
I was about to say. If France needs kids to adopt we have some for export.

Just FYI "kids" includes more than just babies.

Yeah, but then you can't lie to them and say they're your biological children.   :hmm:

Quote from: celedhring on November 21, 2016, 12:33:17 PM
After seeing this and post-Brexit tory government, I guess that's how it's gonna be. Become assholes in order to beat the bigger assholes. Not particularly encouraging.

As an aside, I don't have any problem with the concept of lowering tensions with Russia. I just don't think there's a honest bargainer at the other side of the table.

The Putin Regime's entire reason for existence is an anti-Western crusade. Only if lessening tensions with the West would somehow massively increase the living standards of the average Russian would they be cool with it. Otherwise all it would do is leave nobody left to blame for Putin's failures except Putin.

Quote from: Grey Fox on November 21, 2016, 10:24:22 AM
everyone but Germany?!

Germany is structurally very conservative and social trends just take ten years longer here than in other Western countries. I hope that the tide will be over then, but let's see. The AfD will win between 10-15% next year.

Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2016, 12:26:39 PM

Quote from: garbon on November 21, 2016, 12:25:16 PM

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 21, 2016, 12:23:51 PM
There are not nearly enough kids to adopt for heteros, let alone homos so that's not a big deal anyways.

:hmm:

I was about to say. If France needs kids to adopt we have some for export.

Just FYI "kids" includes more than just babies.

And kids older than babies are much less sought by would-be adopting parents, Monsieur Je sais tout.  :frog:
Plus for some reason, not even would-be adopting homosexual couples are interested by US kids, in France at least. ;)

As for immigration, French laws are much more liberal than current US or Canadian hardline immigration laws, the green card system would be called racist by the left-wing luminaries we have here who favor unlimited and unchecked immigration. Is that hardline for you? Not to mention the high unemployment and housing shortages which don't call exactly for mass immigration of low-skilled and hard to assimilate immigrants because that's what France gets and what iss meant by Fillon and others. Again, I will wait to see what's done instead of getting outraged at some empty rhetoric.

Regarding the burkini ban, given how lax the enforcement of the ban of face covering is in some areas, even during the emergency state, I would not lose any sleep over it if some local practitioners of identity politics and their useful idiots get outraged for a while.

The Thatcher part I just don't see how it could be applied with strong unions able to block the country if need be.

The pro-Putin rhetoric I admit is more worrying since that's one of the differences with Juppé or even Sarkozy but then Germany survived Schröder who gave such a strong base for Merkel to do nothing. :D

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 21, 2016, 12:57:50 PM
Plus for some reason, not even would-be adopting homosexual couples are interested by US kids, in France at least. ;)

Why not? They'll be French when they're done with them.

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 21, 2016, 12:57:50 PM
And kids older than babies are much less sought by would-be adopting parents, Monsieur Je sais tout.  :frog:

Indeed. Which is why it is a good idea to let gays adopt them. See where I was going there?

The German conservatives also chose their candidate for next year's election on Sunday. The principle was simple: One person, one vote. The person was Angela Merkel and she declared that she would run again.

Quote from: Eddie Teach on November 21, 2016, 01:00:50 PM

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 21, 2016, 12:57:50 PM
Plus for some reason, not even would-be adopting homosexual couples are interested by US kids, in France at least. ;)

Why not? They'll be French when they're done with them.

Go ask them. I have no idea why. Maybe it's just that the US is not perceived as a country with lots of orphans and children (since kids triggered some people here  :P) for adoption.

Just had a look at Juppé's program. He is in favour of restricting somewhat the Jus Soli. Fillon says nothing on the matter. So much for a hardliner.

Even Le Monde, left of centre if not champagne left nowadays, noted it:
http://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2016/11/21/primaire-de-la-droite-ce-qui-differencie-fillon-et-juppe-dans-leurs-programmes_5034820_4355770.html (http://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2016/11/21/primaire-de-la-droite-ce-qui-differencie-fillon-et-juppe-dans-leurs-programmes_5034820_4355770.html)

QuoteLe droit du sol
Alain Juppé s'est prononcé pour une restriction du droit du sol, qui serait conditionné à la régularité du séjour d'au moins un des deux parents au moment de la naissance. François Fillon n'a pas pris position sur le sujet.

En savoir plus sur http://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2016/11/21/primaire-de-la-droite-ce-qui-differencie-fillon-et-juppe-dans-leurs-programmes_5034820_4355770.html#BTVMb8CqaPuq0lx5.99

Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2016, 01:05:34 PM

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 21, 2016, 12:57:50 PM
And kids older than babies are much less sought by would-be adopting parents, Monsieur Je sais tout.  :frog:

Indeed. Which is why it is a good idea to let gays adopt them. See where I was going there?

Yes, to a dead end. Homos are not really interested by them too, at least around here.

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 21, 2016, 01:10:57 PM

Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2016, 01:05:34 PM

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 21, 2016, 12:57:50 PM
And kids older than babies are much less sought by would-be adopting parents, Monsieur Je sais tout.  :frog:

Indeed. Which is why it is a good idea to let gays adopt them. See where I was going there?

Yes, to a dead end. Homos are not really interested by them too, at least around here.

Some of them are though and it would be absurd to deny them the opportunity.

Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2016, 01:19:08 PM

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 21, 2016, 01:10:57 PM

Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2016, 01:05:34 PM

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 21, 2016, 12:57:50 PM
And kids older than babies are much less sought by would-be adopting parents, Monsieur Je sais tout.  :frog:

Indeed. Which is why it is a good idea to let gays adopt them. See where I was going there?

Yes, to a dead end. Homos are not really interested by them too, at least around here.

Some of them are though and it would be absurd to deny them the opportunity.

We are going in circles, aren't we? There's not opportunity denied since the opportunity i.e lots of children/kids *trigger warning* to adopt does not exist.

Focussing on real problems, like the relations with Putinstan, would be better. But then even Juppé wanted dialog (vague I know) with Moscow, despite being very critical of the Moscow KGB-ist in chief.

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 21, 2016, 01:27:45 PM
We are going in circles, aren't we? There's not opportunity denied since the opportunity lots of children/kids *trigger warning* to adopt does not exist.

Really? So here I am a gay dude in France and I want to adopt a child. There is zero opportunity to do so? What if I did want to adopt a 10 year old from Rhode Island? Not in Fillon's France?

I don't get the *trigger warning* attack. You want to explain that one?

So Le Pen is the next President of France?

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 21, 2016, 01:27:45 PM

Focussing on real problems, like the relations with Putinstan, would be better. But then even Juppé wanted dialog (vague I know) with Moscow, despite being very critical of the Moscow KGB-ist in chief.

I don't see how France has the power to really shift things with Russia, for the reasons I already mentioned. Russia needs an enemy to keep its regime in power and we are it.

Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2016, 01:35:51 PM

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 21, 2016, 01:27:45 PM

Focussing on real problems, like the relations with Putinstan, would be better. But then even Juppé wanted dialog (vague I know) with Moscow, despite being very critical of the Moscow KGB-ist in chief.

I don't see how France has the power to really shift things with Russia, for the reasons I already mentioned. Russia needs an enemy to keep its regime in power and we are it.

... I don't think the idea is that they'll shift US-Russian dynamics, but rather manage how France fits into that... especially given that some senior French politicians - like elsewhere - have various connections with Putin that could be deemed troubling (as I understand it).

Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2016, 01:33:13 PM

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 21, 2016, 01:27:45 PM
We are going in circles, aren't we? There's not opportunity denied since the opportunity lots of children/kids *trigger warning* to adopt does not exist.

Really? So here I am a gay dude in France and I want to adopt a child. There is zero opportunity to do so? What if I did want to adopt a 10 year old from Rhode Island? Not in Fillon's France?

I don't get the *trigger warning* attack. You want to explain that one?

Married homosexuals and/or just a single homosexual? Full adoption "plénière as in termination of whatever links the kid had with biological family  or adoption simple? Fillon only mentioned adoption plénière. So yes it's possible in theory, to answer your question. I just love these teapot tempests based on ignorance by media bleeding hearts.  :lol:

Quote from: celedhring on November 21, 2016, 08:46:31 AM
Spanish media say Fillon wants detente with Russia, wants to ban gay adoption, is an immigration hardliner, wants to ban the burkini...  I guess he'd be better than Le Pen, but color me unexcited  :hmm:

Emphasis mine

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_simple_(France) (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_simple_(France))

QuoteDepuis le 23 avril 2013 l'adoption est permise aux couples homoparentaux dans un cadre où l'adopté est l'un des enfants du couple homoparental.

Since you're a Yank, you don't need to wait for Fillon's election and approval anyways.

The *trigger warning* was tongue in-cheek about

QuoteJust FYI "kids" includes more than just babies.

:P

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 21, 2016, 01:55:24 PM
The *trigger warning* was tongue in-cheek about

QuoteJust FYI "kids" includes more than just babies.

.  :P

I was just noting that normally only babies are actually hard to find for adoption :P

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 21, 2016, 01:55:24 PM
I just love these teapot tempests based on ignorance by media bleeding hearts.  :lol:

Hey I can only go by the data reported to me on Languish.

Quote from: Jacob on November 21, 2016, 01:34:30 PM
So Le Pen is the next President of France?

No, but the conservative nominee will probably win. Yay....

Quote from: Zoupa on November 21, 2016, 06:47:04 PM

Quote from: Jacob on November 21, 2016, 01:34:30 PM
So Le Pen is the next President of France?

No, but the conservative nominee will probably win. Yay....

You know, looking at this bunch, I almost wish Hollande would run again and win.
I mean, look at this:
Hollande has suggested that he may not stand for re-election if he fails to reduce the French unemployment rate by the end of his term.[17] He stated this point again in February 2015, saying that "if after five years, a President cannot meet the objective that he had when he got elected, he cannot be once more a candidate for the highest office in the country".[18]

He may incompetent, as are nearly all leftist politicians, he may have neglected security, luring himself in a false sentiment of "terrorism is for the others", but he sure reacted quickly and appropriatly after the attacks.  And he is damn fucking honest: he promised something he can't deliver, so he won't run again.  I just wish Liberal politicians would take note.

Quote from: viper37 on November 22, 2016, 01:11:45 AM

Quote from: Zoupa on November 21, 2016, 06:47:04 PM

Quote from: Jacob on November 21, 2016, 01:34:30 PM
So Le Pen is the next President of France?

No, but the conservative nominee will probably win. Yay....

You know, looking at this bunch, I almost wish Hollande would run again and win.
I mean, look at this:
Hollande has suggested that he may not stand for re-election if he fails to reduce the French unemployment rate by the end of his term.[17] He stated this point again in February 2015, saying that "if after five years, a President cannot meet the objective that he had when he got elected, he cannot be once more a candidate for the highest office in the country".[18]

He may incompetent, as are nearly all leftist politicians, he may have neglected security, luring himself in a false sentiment of "terrorism is for the others", but he sure reacted quickly and appropriatly after the attacks.  And he is damn fucking honest: he promised something he can't deliver, so he won't run again.  I just wish Liberal politicians would take note.

Si vous le voulez, la France peut vous l'envoyer ! Comme Juppé jadis, mais à vie !  :lol: :frog:

Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2016, 01:35:51 PM
I don't see how France has the power to really shift things with Russia, for the reasons I already mentioned. Russia needs an enemy to keep its regime in power and we are it.

in a post Trump era, with the US star shining less&less bright, it's only a matter of time before Trumps fucks with Europe on something, so many French politicians likely believe that they should seek some deal with Putin before it happens, while they still have some leverage. Since Trump made it clear he's not interested in free trade and military alliance, Europe needs to look at other options.

See, a majority of Americans may believe Trump ain't so bad (60% according to latest polls), the rest of the world does not share that optimism.

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 22, 2016, 03:42:18 AM
Si vous le voulez, la France peut vous l'envoyer ! Comme Juppé jadis, mais à vie !  :lol: :frog:

Non, ça va aller.  J'ai déjà mes incompétents, ça me suffit ;)

Quote from: viper37 on November 22, 2016, 02:29:29 PM
See, a majority of Americans may believe Trump ain't so bad (60% according to latest polls), the rest of the world does not share that optimism.

Well I certainly don't. Marty's hero is going to do very lasting and devastating damage to this country. I can only look to 2018.

But that does not really address my point. France can no more come to an agreement with Russia than the US can. Russia needs an enemy.

Quote from: Valmy on November 23, 2016, 01:07:25 AM
But that does not really address my point. France can no more come to an agreement with Russia than the US can. Russia needs an enemy.

Russia has ton of ennemies, outside and inside.  One more, one less, doesn't really matter.

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This should be in the FB thread, and Marine was not part of the primary election for the right. :contract:

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:lol:

Phillip. :thumbsup:

Fillon elected as candidate for the right.

Your thoughts, Duque?  I haven't really followed this election.

He's a social conservative. Anti gay marriage, anti abortion (somewhat).

Looks like France will have a great choice next year: the reactionary right wing candidate or the neo-nazi :bleedingeyes:

Fun times all around.

Quote from: viper37 on November 27, 2016, 05:31:08 PM
Fillon elected as candidate for the right.

Your thoughts, Duque?  I haven't really followed this election.

Meh. Anybody can win against Hollande should he manage to win the primary election. Yes, there is a new primary in January.

Fillon is your typical conservative provincial bourgeois, boring but not really dangerous IMO. He was a moderating influence of Sarkozy, when he was Prime Minister.
Catholique bon teint, anti bling bling (pure laine au Québéc ? :D).
Nothing will happen with abortion and homo marriage is not going away. Liberalising surrogate mothers will have to wait for the "Left". ;)

I don't think his free-market propositions will be enforced or are even possible (500,000 civil servants less). More positions are needed in police, prison guards and army but lots of redundant positions exist in the regions (fonction publique territoriale).
The pro-Putin stance is more worrying though it remains to be seen when or if he gets to power if reality forces him to some revisions.

PS: Anglos should be happy, a Welshwoman would be the First Lady if Fillon is elected. ;)

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 28, 2016, 05:27:52 AM
PS: Anglos should be happy, a Welshwoman would be the First Lady if Fillon is elected. ;)

Why would Anglos care about that? :huh:

We need more politicians who are pro bling bling.

Quote from: Eddie Teach on November 28, 2016, 05:51:26 AM
We need more politicians who are pro bling bling.

French right-wing voters disagree with you on that.

Thoughts on yesterday's vote, in French only:

Et après avoir pleuré Castro, n'oubliez pas d'aller voter Juppé demain pour sauver la gauche.

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Some kind of weird convergence.  :hmm:

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 28, 2016, 05:27:52 AM
Catholique bon teint, anti bling bling (pure laine au Québéc ? :D).

pure laine only refers to one's origin: a descendant of French colonists who still speaks french.  It has nothing to do with political opinions.

Well, I don't think Fillon has any foreign origins, archetypal de souche = pure laine, and he still speaks French. :)

so, who on the left could beat Fillon?  Hollande is not supposed to come back for another round, so who's next?

Actually, aside the first year where he scrapped any chance of making the economy better, I think Hollande hasn't been so bad for the French.

Hollande can still participate in the left primary.

I saw some analysis that if it comes down to Le Pen vs. Fillon, Fillon wins easily, but if it is Le Pen vs someone of the center left, Le Pen will be viable. Does that seem reasonable?

Quote from: alfred russel on November 28, 2016, 12:15:07 PM
I saw some analysis that if it comes down to Le Pen vs. Fillon, Fillon wins easily, but if it is Le Pen vs someone of the center left, Le Pen will be viable. Does that seem reasonable?

Does it seem reasonable to take political polls and analysis seriously these days? No, not really.

Quote from: viper37 on November 28, 2016, 10:41:04 AM


Actually, aside the first year where he scrapped any chance of making the economy better, I think Hollande hasn't been so bad for the French.

Toi, il te faut vraiment l'offre combinée pour le Québec Juppé + Flanby, si tu les aimes tant que ça.  :D

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 28, 2016, 12:51:17 PM

Quote from: viper37 on November 28, 2016, 10:41:04 AM


Actually, aside the first year where he scrapped any chance of making the economy better, I think Hollande hasn't been so bad for the French.

Toi, il te faut vraiment l'offre combinée pour le Québec Juppé + Flanby, si tu les aimes tant que ça.  :D

Non, j'ai eu assez de Pauline Marois, merci.
C'est juste que comparé à El-Chi et Sarko, je trouvais Hollande presque présentable.  ;)
Pas d'histoires de financement illégal ou de corruption, capable de reconnaitre ses erreurs... Bon, ok, je le prendrais par dessus Jean-François Lisée ou Philippe Couillard, mais uniquement parce que je suis désespéré, hein!

Flanby est encore au pouvoir, les scandales apparaîtront quand le PS n'aura plus le pouvoir.
Reconnaître ses erreurs ? Il prétend avoir redressé le pays et la situation !  :lol:

Quote from: alfred russel on November 28, 2016, 12:15:07 PM
I saw some analysis that if it comes down to Le Pen vs. Fillon, Fillon wins easily, but if it is Le Pen vs someone of the center left, Le Pen will be viable. Does that seem reasonable?

Yes - the left will join with conservatives in the hour of need to defeat the greater evil, the conservatives will stick with their tribe above all.
Just like here in the USA #NeverTrump = 0

This wiki entry records the results of various opinion polls :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017

Le Pen is handily beat by another candidate from the right, but has a chance of winning against an opponent from the left.

Fillon is suggesting some pretty disturbing changes though, 500k cut in civil servant numbers and a longer working week. This will surely help Le Pen.

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on November 29, 2016, 02:59:07 AM
Fillon is suggesting some pretty disturbing changes though, 500k cut in civil servant numbers and a longer working week. This will surely help Le Pen.

Not disturbing, just unrealistic the way civil servant unions control or at least can paralyse the country. Juppé only went for 200k IIRC.
Of course, civil servants numbers can be cut just by not replacing those who retire but 500,000?  :hmm:

As for Le Pen, more identity politics as a diversion for Hollande's failures will do that no matter what.
The only civil servants voting in significant numbers for Le Pen are in the army, police and gendarmerie, no surprise.

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 28, 2016, 02:13:10 PM
Flanby est encore au pouvoir, les scandales apparaîtront quand le PS n'aura plus le pouvoir.

Vous êtes si patient avec politiciens?  Oh my... :D

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Reconnaître ses erreurs ? Il prétend avoir redressé le pays et la situation !  :lol:

Bien, après avoir mis la France à genoux, il lui a fait relevé une jambe.  En général, les politiciens de gauche mettent leur pays à genoux et prétendent simplement que nous sommes mieux ainsi.

So I'm hearing this Fillon feller is more conservative than Sarko was.  Is that correct?

Quote from: derspiess on November 29, 2016, 09:34:14 AM
So I'm hearing this Fillon feller is more conservative than Sarko was.  Is that correct?

In his political campaign, yes, it appears to be so.  That remain to be seen how far he can go or is even willing to go once President.

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Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 28, 2016, 02:13:10 PM
Flanby est encore au pouvoir, les scandales apparaîtront quand le PS n'aura plus le pouvoir.

Vous êtes si patient avec politiciens?  Oh my... :D

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Reconnaître ses erreurs ? Il prétend avoir redressé le pays et la situation !  :lol:

Bien, après avoir mis la France à genoux, il lui a fait relevé une jambe.  En général, les politiciens de gauche mettent leur pays à genoux et prétendent simplement que nous sommes mieux ainsi.

Je ne suis pas très patient avec les politiques mais les juges le sont. Disons que le parquet n'est pas tout à fait indépendant du pouvoir politique. ;)

La France était déjà en piètre position avant, mais Flanby n'a fait qu'aggraver la situation ou entreprendre des réformes symboliques nullement décisives.

Well, it's official: Hollande won't seek reelection next year. The PS primary is in January. Probably more comical than the right and centre primary. :)

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 01, 2016, 02:23:06 PM
Well, it's official: Hollande won't seek reelection next year. The PS primary is in January. Probably more comical than the right and centre primary. :)

Who do you see standing the best chance to beat Fillon?  Or do you figure that no matter who is selected, it will be a final round between Fillon and Lepen, a repeat of Chirac's legendary win against the other LePen?

Things could change till April, but yes right now it's Fillon vs Le Pen in the run-off, with Fillon winning.

The Hollidaise has spoiled I see.

Not enough to have Le Pen as president yet, Herr Ed.

Still, at last Hollande took a good decision.  :cheers:

Time for Hollande to ride his scooter off into the sunset  :cool:


He'll be able to spend more time with his mistress soon.

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on December 02, 2016, 06:42:59 AM
Time for Hollande to ride his scooter off into the sunset  :cool:


He'll be able to spend more time with his mistress soon.

Which one?  :P

Presumably the prettier one.

I found these results interesting, along with the comment from the tweet:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CybTNMfW8AAzdUQ.jpg)

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Agnes Poirier @AgnesCPoirier    Nov 29
Posh rightwing Paris voted for #Fillon and bobo lefty Paris voted for #Juppé #LaPrimaire pic.twitter.com/lG7q4ZY9js