I have a coworker who always puts PE, MIRSE after his name (Professional Engineer, Member Institute of Rail Signal Engineers) on e-mail. The latter struck me as a little odd, but "Member" is an actual rank in the IRSE (requires a degree and a job in rail signaling, rather than just sending in a check and getting the membership card.)
I'm curious what post-nominal letters you could use and which ones you do normally use (and what they stand for.)
I could be Savonarola, BSEE MSEE PE (Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering, Master of Science in Electrical Engineering, Professional Engineer.) I don't ever do that, though.
I guess I could be "Celedhring, BCoMS MFA" (Bachelor in Communications and Media Studies, Master in Fine Arts) but I'd never do that. In fact, I have never seen anybody over here using post-nominals, outside Academia.
If somebody has been awarded some kind of government honours, we civil servants are supposed to put the appropriate letters after his name. Like xxx, MH (stands for medal of honour, a mid-low level award in HK).
But most people don't do that. You are supposed to wait for somebody to put those letters after you, not do it yourself. And only like 0.1% of the population has those. Plebs don't have anything to put after our names. Not that I want any of that.
I have noticed that engineers love to push the "Ir" designation, modelled after the "Dr" designation for medical doctors.
Plenty of non-academic professionals put their post-nominals in their sigs; however, the accepted correct practice is to use your highest/terminal and/or specialized degree.
In the cases of you two knuckleheads, Sav would top out at the MS and Cele would just be an MFA, as it is the terminal degree. Undergraduate titles are unnecessary. They're already assumed, and besdies, that's just being a douchebag.
Industry-specific professional association certs and titles are only as important as they need to be.
LL.B. 4EVAH
Quote from: Monoriu on October 28, 2016, 09:23:57 AM
I have noticed that engineers love to push the "Ir" designation, modelled after the "Dr" designation for medical doctors.
Are you supposed to address him as "Engineer Savonarola" then, the way you'd address Victor Frankenstein, MD as "Dr. Frankenstein"?
Lulz, he thinks he's a lawyer
Barrister, L.L. Cool J.
HTC(EXW)(Ret), and since I retired before the use of rating change, I will not change my sig. :)
I think I just got a BSc (Hons) after my name on my graduation congratulations cards :P
I don't have any professional certification, but then I'm an amateur at everything I do.
The shortest I can do with my degree is "Dipl.-Verwaltungswirt (FH)" which is short for "Diplom-Verwaltungswirt (Fachhochschule)", but I never do. I've never worked in the field, and nobody in Austria (and not many in Germany) know what it is. :P
Quote from: Savonarola on October 28, 2016, 09:33:48 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 28, 2016, 09:23:57 AM
I have noticed that engineers love to push the "Ir" designation, modelled after the "Dr" designation for medical doctors.
Are you supposed to address him as "Engineer Savonarola" then, the way you'd address Victor Frankenstein, MD as "Dr. Frankenstein"?
I have no idea how to pronounce Ir, so I just ignore it :blush:
Quote from: Brazen on October 28, 2016, 09:38:33 AM
I think I just got a BSc (Hons) after my name on my graduation congratulations cards :P
I don't have any professional certification, but then I'm an amateur at everything I do.
Nobody needs to know how much I underachieved in life, anyway--and Mom is one too many as it stands.
TP.
Stand for Professional Technician. Don't use it, no one cares.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 28, 2016, 10:13:24 AM
TP.
Stand for Professional Technician. Don't use it, no one cares.
No, that's not what it stands for, anyway, wipes are better.
Quote from: Barrister on October 28, 2016, 09:32:27 AM
LL.B. 4EVAH
Heh, if we accept the JD designation, can we make people call us "doctor"? :D
My academic title is abbreviated MScIS, which stands for Master of Science in Information Systems. I don't put that in my signature or on business cards though.
I sometimes see colleagues who put similar titles into their signatures or on business cards though, not sure why.
If you have a PhD in Germany, it is quite common to use Dr. Smith both in signatures and even when you speak to the person.
The LL.M. or so is actually relevant in e-mail signatures because it makes a difference if someone can act as counsel or not. So our corporate lawyers all put their titles in signatures or so.
Quote from: Zanza on October 28, 2016, 10:25:03 AM
My academic title is abbreviated MScIS, which stands for Master of Science in Information Systems. I don't put that in my signature or on business cards though.
I sometimes see colleagues who put similar titles into their signatures or on business cards though, not sure why.
If you have a PhD in Germany, it is quite common to use Dr. Smith both in signatures and even when you speak to the person.
In Austria it already starts with Master level. "Herr Magister" or "Frau Magister/Magistra". Though it seems less prevalent among the younger generations.
Quote from: Zanza on October 28, 2016, 10:26:26 AM
The LL.M. or so is actually relevant in e-mail signatures because it makes a difference if someone can act as counsel or not. So our corporate lawyers all put their titles in signatures or so.
It's rarely done here in Canada. All licensed lawyers already have the same designations by definition; only in some specialized fields of law are additional designations relevant.
Quote from: Malthus on October 28, 2016, 10:24:59 AM
Heh, if we accept the JD designation, can we make people call us "doctor"? :D
If you want people to call you Dr, maybe you should work on your finger roll.
The federal government is the only workplace I've ever been in where the job title of "counsel" didn't translate to "lawyer". All this time I thought these people were lawyers. WTF.
Then again, these are the same people who refer to students as "fellows", even though they are not holding fellowships.
Fucking Fed fantasyland. #MaybeTrumpIsRightAfterAll
Quote from: Eddie Teach on October 28, 2016, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: Malthus on October 28, 2016, 10:24:59 AM
Heh, if we accept the JD designation, can we make people call us "doctor"? :D
If you want people to call you Dr, maybe you should work on your finger roll.
LOL, Phi Slamma Jamma
Quote from: Malthus on October 28, 2016, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: Barrister on October 28, 2016, 09:32:27 AM
LL.B. 4EVAH
Heh, if we accept the JD designation, can we make people call us "doctor"? :D
Over my dead body. :mad:
Have a bunch of them, yes.
Quote from: Brazen on October 28, 2016, 09:38:33 AM
I think I just got a BSc (Hons) after my name on my graduation congratulations cards :P
I don't have any professional certification, but then I'm an amateur at everything I do.
Likewise.
Me putting BSc (Hons) after my name would look very silly, especially given some people I deal with could use FRS on theirs if they wished.
Quote from: mongers on October 28, 2016, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Brazen on October 28, 2016, 09:38:33 AM
I think I just got a BSc (Hons) after my name on my graduation congratulations cards :P
I don't have any professional certification, but then I'm an amateur at everything I do.
Likewise.
Me putting BSc (Hons) after my name would look very silly, especially given some people I deal with could use FRS on theirs if they wished.
Colleague of mine is a bit too eager to put "FRS" everywhere. Everyone thinks it's a bit gauche.
Quote from: Malthus on October 28, 2016, 10:30:27 AM
Quote from: Zanza on October 28, 2016, 10:26:26 AM
The LL.M. or so is actually relevant in e-mail signatures because it makes a difference if someone can act as counsel or not. So our corporate lawyers all put their titles in signatures or so.
It's rarely done here in Canada. All licensed lawyers already have the same designations by definition; only in some specialized fields of law are additional designations relevant.
German lawyers are always just "Volljurist" which means you passed the bar exam and can work as lawyer or judge and enjoy privileged lawyer-client communication.
I currently work in a very international project that has lots of involved lawyers and it is interesting to know if someone is actually a specialist for European Union law or has an American law degree or so.
I was told my undergraduate degree from Georgetown entitles me, by act of Congress, to put "esq." after my name.
I put my designation in the signature of my work email, but not my personal one ( some people do, but I find it odd). I could also use H.B.Comm, I guess
I use the letters and titles in the Angloworld and the Germanworld of academia, where people use them or insist upon them. I don't use them in French.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 28, 2016, 11:12:16 AM
I was told my undergraduate degree from Georgetown entitles me, by act of Congress, to put "esq." after my name.
I can't find anything to confirm that. Pretty much everything that comes up suggests "Esquire" is limited to lawyers in the US.
When/if I get my PE I will probably put that on the end of my name for professional purposes.
Need to pass the exam in April though. May the Engineer Gods have mercy upon me.
Quote from: Valmy on October 28, 2016, 11:23:24 AM
When/if I get my PE I will probably put that on the end of my name for professional purposes.
Need to pass the exam in April though. May the Engineer Gods have mercy upon me.
They're fickle gods. Bring a femal sacrifice. Engineers get all flustered around women, I'm sure their gods would too.
The accountant is talking smack. :lol:
Quote from: Eddie Teach on October 28, 2016, 11:43:38 AM
The accountant is talking smack. :lol:
You'd be surprised how many women put out when you offer to do their taxes :P
Quote from: Valmy on October 28, 2016, 11:23:24 AM
When/if I get my PE I will probably put that on the end of my name for professional purposes.
Need to pass the exam in April though. May the Engineer Gods have mercy upon me.
Has it really been five years since you've graduated already?
Où sont les neiges d'antan?Best of luck! (And don't be one of those people who bring in an entire suitcase full of books to the exam.)
Quote from: Savonarola on October 28, 2016, 12:24:56 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 28, 2016, 11:23:24 AM
When/if I get my PE I will probably put that on the end of my name for professional purposes.
Need to pass the exam in April though. May the Engineer Gods have mercy upon me.
Has it really been five years since you've graduated already? Où sont les neiges d'antan?
Best of luck! (And don't be one of those people who bring in an entire suitcase full of books to the exam.)
No but the Texas Board of Professional Engineers changed the rules so now I can take the exam anytime after I have been certified EIT. I still have to wait until 2019 to be made PE though.
But I don't really see the point waiting around.
Quote from: Valmy on October 28, 2016, 12:29:41 PM
No but the Texas Board of Professional Engineers changed the rules so now I can take the exam anytime after I have been certified EIT. I still have to wait until 2019 to be made PE though.
But I don't really see the point waiting around.
Ah, then sooner is much better (unless you're planning to get your masters.)
Quote from: Barrister on October 28, 2016, 11:22:09 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 28, 2016, 11:12:16 AM
I was told my undergraduate degree from Georgetown entitles me, by act of Congress, to put "esq." after my name.
I can't find anything to confirm that. Pretty much everything that comes up suggests "Esquire" is limited to lawyers in the US.
Yi used his for rolling paper years ago.
Seedy is my own personal blue haired church lady.
Quote from: Barrister on October 28, 2016, 11:22:09 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 28, 2016, 11:12:16 AM
I was told my undergraduate degree from Georgetown entitles me, by act of Congress, to put "esq." after my name.
I can't find anything to confirm that. Pretty much everything that comes up suggests "Esquire" is limited to lawyers in the US.
:hmm:
I think in the UK it may be different, Esquire being used where the person has no know letters after their name? : unsure:
Unless a person has an actual doctorate (and an earned one, not an honorary) or in certain professional contexts (CPS, for example), I'd consider pretty much anyone in the US who put their degrees, titles, etc., with their name to be compensating for something.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 28, 2016, 11:12:16 AM
I was told my undergraduate degree from Georgetown entitles me, by act of Congress, to put "esq." after my name.
Did you believe what you were told?
What about post-coital letters?
Quote from: The Brain on October 28, 2016, 04:48:18 PM
What about post-coital letters?
Ugh, it's the letterboxsexuals pushing his agenda again.
To bring it back to the original point, I never list my degrees (which for the record, are B.Sc. and LL.B.)
But if I got some other kind of honour - most notably if I get a QC designation, you better believe I'm going to rock those letters every chance I get. :ph34r:
Quote from: Barrister on October 28, 2016, 04:55:36 PM
To bring it back to the original point, I never list my degrees (which for the record, are B.Sc. and LL.B.)
But if I got some other kind of honour - most notably if I get a QC designation, you better believe I'm going to rock those letters every chance I get. :ph34r:
Like the CEO/Founder of my old company in any official publication/news release - "Dr. [NAME], CBE" :lol:
Quote from: Barrister on October 28, 2016, 04:55:36 PM
To bring it back to the original point, I never list my degrees (which for the record, are B.Sc. and LL.B.)
But if I got some other kind of honour - most notably if I get a QC designation, you better believe I'm going to rock those letters every chance I get. :ph34r:
Heh, I had started this thread in part hoping someone would have something truly unusual like OBE or SJ.
Someday, I might be able to put "USAF(Ret.)" after my name. :)
Quote from: Savonarola on October 29, 2016, 05:28:43 PM
Heh, I had started this thread in part hoping someone would have something truly unusual like OBE or SJ.
I'm pretty sure we would've known by now if somebody here was a Jesuit.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 29, 2016, 05:36:07 PM
I'm pretty sure we would've known by now if somebody here was a Jesuit.
Isn't Yi one? :sleep:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 29, 2016, 05:36:07 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 29, 2016, 05:28:43 PM
Heh, I had started this thread in part hoping someone would have something truly unusual like OBE or SJ.
I'm pretty sure we would've known by now if somebody here was a Jesuit.
That's what they'd like you to think :shifty: :pope:
I circulate an attendance sheet in one of my classes where students write their names and sign, which I guess appeared foreign and exotic to my students. About a third into the semester last year, a student began signing his name with a variety of letters, perhaps assuming I never looked at those, or that the TA would ignore his little amusement. It began with esq., ing., then moved into more obscure ones, s.j., KT, etc. When I wrote the comments on his final exam at the end of the semester, I made sure to address him using all the titles he had claimed: Dear Knight of the Thistle, reverend father, Monsignor, ...
Quote from: Oexmelin on October 30, 2016, 10:46:45 AM
I circulate an attendance sheet in one of my classes where students write their names and sign, which I guess appeared foreign and exotic to my students. About a third into the semester last year, a student began signing his name with a variety of letters, perhaps assuming I never looked at those, or that the TA would ignore his little amusement. It began with esq., ing., then moved into more obscure ones, s.j., KT, etc. When I wrote the comments on his final exam at the end of the semester, I made sure to address him using all the titles he had claimed: Dear Knight of the Thistle, reverend father, Monsignor, ...
:lol:
Quote from: Oexmelin on October 30, 2016, 10:46:45 AM
I circulate an attendance sheet in one of my classes where students write their names and sign, which I guess appeared foreign and exotic to my students. About a third into the semester last year, a student began signing his name with a variety of letters, perhaps assuming I never looked at those, or that the TA would ignore his little amusement. It began with esq., ing., then moved into more obscure ones, s.j., KT, etc. When I wrote the comments on his final exam at the end of the semester, I made sure to address him using all the titles he had claimed: Dear Knight of the Thistle, reverend father, Monsignor, ...
I hope he handed in his final exam wearing his full regalia. :lol:
I give myself SS ranks.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 30, 2016, 08:21:57 PM
I give myself SS ranks.
You can't even pronounce them correctly.
Quote from: Hamilcar on October 31, 2016, 01:10:40 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 30, 2016, 08:21:57 PM
I give myself SS ranks.
You can't even pronounce them correctly.
I'd send you to a camp. Your bunkmate would be Tim.
Scipio Americanus, Esq.
"Release the hounds" is a command, not a title.