No thread on it? Well, the so-called Jacobine France has regional elections.
Fun fact for Valmy, in Île-de-France (Greater Paris and hinterland), the FN list was headed by SAINT-JUST! Wallerand though. ;) Quite a good score, so this means the PS has a chance with the Mitterrand maneuver... :rolleyes:
No definitive results yet.
FN first in Nord-Picardie (North) with Marine meh, Provence Alpes Côte d'Azur (SE) with the lovely Marion, also in Greater Burgundy/Franche-Comté, the new great East Region (French Lotharingia?) including Alsace, Lorraine and Champagne-Ardenne, Languedoc-Roussillon Midi Pyrénées (SW) and Centre-Val de Loire. Yes, lots of these new huge regions do not make much sense.
QuoteFrance's far-right National Front has topped the first round of regional elections with a 30.6 percent lead, according to IFOP Fiducial exit poll.
The National Front secured it's lead nationally ahead of former president Nicolas Sarkozy's conservative Les Republicains party and their allies, who secured 27 percent.
President Francois Holland's ruling Socialists came third polling 22.7 per cent.
Overall, the National Front party is ahead in at least 6 out of 13 regions according to early estimates.
A run off is to be held on December 13.
http://www.france24.com/en/20151206-liveblog-french-regional-elections-2015 (http://www.france24.com/en/20151206-liveblog-french-regional-elections-2015)
Don't expect Americans to get much of French elections...
Quote from: Duque de Bragança
Yes, lots of these new huge regions do not make much sense.
Actually, they do.
With few exceptions, they match 1-2 of the old Duchies. I love them! :frog:
Ignore the names and see them like this:
Picardie
Champagne et Lorraine
Ile de France (royal demesne)
Normandie
Bretagne
Anjou (Pays de la Loire)
Touraine
Bourgogne/Franche Comté
Aquitaine/Limousin
Auvergne
Languedoc + Roussillon
Provence
And they look nice ^^
That said, if you ARE so worried with the FN, the EU will just send a few more million muslim migrants to live in your country. Then you will have the France you want and not to worry about the FN anymore.
Just with the mass riots by the muslims when then wish to establish a Muslim Party to take over and the Rrrrrépublique tries (in vain) to stop a party with a religious tone.
Besides hating Muslims, what side is FN on?
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic6.businessinsider.com%2Fimage%2F5645fc255afbd3133e8b4567-480%2Fmarion-marechal-le-pen-french-national-front-political-party-member-and-current-deputy-in-parliament-attends-during-an-interview-with-reuters-as-she-campaigns-for-the-upcoming-regional-election-for-the-provence-alpes-cote-dazur-paca-region-in-carpentras-france-november-10-2015-reutersjean-paul-pelissier.jpg&hash=a4192af9f67548f9ea25048bfbad07ea9371f672)
I just spotted the Languish candidate. :)
Quote from: Martim Silva on December 06, 2015, 04:20:36 PM
Don't expect Americans to get much of French elections...
Quote from: Duque de Bragança
Yes, lots of these new huge regions do not make much sense.
Actually, they do.
With few exceptions, they match 1-2 of the old Duchies. I love them! :frog:
Ignore the names and see them like this:
Picardie
Champagne et Lorraine
Ile de France (royal demesne)
Normandie
Bretagne
Anjou (Pays de la Loire)
Touraine
Bourgogne/Franche Comté
Aquitaine/Limousin
Auvergne
Languedoc + Roussillon
Provence
I said new regions. Île-de-France is not a new one. Missing the historical Beauvaisis and Noyonnais. ;) Sames goes for Provence/PACA with the ugly acronym, despised locally.
Nord-Picardie makes somewhat sense, though Amiens will suffer from it, compared to Lille Metropolis.
Normandy reunited? Yes, makes sense.
Greater Burgungy? Maybe, though no complete Greater Lotharingia. See below.
The others not so much.
Champagne-Ardennes + Lorraine + Alsace is the new greater East region. Alsatians were not so happy. I guess you could see it as French Lotharingia excluding Greater Burgundy.
Aquitaine-Limousin was made for the PS and its ilk like Ségolène Royal.
Auvergne has been merged with Rhône-Alpes (Lyon basically)
Val-de-Loire goes beyond Touraine (Tours) since it means Orléans as well. It includes most of Anjou. Poitou linked with Tours might have made more sense. With Bordeaux? Only warranted for Charentes-Maritime.
Brittany is still incomplete, no Nantes.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.metronews.fr%2Finfo%2Fcarte-des-regions-de-france-quel-sera-votre-nouveau-chef-lieu-en-2016%2Fmodm%212FHy9DJ3S0o%2Fcarteregions.jpg&hash=54bafb86ebbbdbf557ec65d5b1781349c9ac53ed)
First pic was better. :glare:
Quote from: Liep on December 06, 2015, 04:41:45 PM
Besides hating Muslims, what side is FN on?
Anti-globalization, anti-EU, anti-atlanticist nowadays, anti-immigration (end of family regrouping and of subsidies to "identity politics/"so-called refugees"/)) and pro-Putin. Stricter laws on citizenship (nothing special for Danes I guess :P); end of jus soli. Strong focus on security and hard on crime stance e.g return of the death penalty (guillotines with Saint-Just!).
Recycles some positions of the good ol' commies à la Marchais i.e till the mid '80s.
Thing is, these are regional elections. So it's more about regional transport (public local/regional/city transport), economy, labour (apprentices and professional training), housing (social kind), regional sports and culture. Yes, not the FN turf a priori.
She wins my undying support.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 06, 2015, 03:56:58 PM
FN first in Nord-Picardie (North) with Marine meh
Wait...the FN won the People's Republic of Lille? Holy shit. Things have certainly changed.
During the wars of religion, Paris was the ultracatholic stronghold. A couple centuries later, not so much.
Quote from: Valmy on December 07, 2015, 12:04:03 AM
Wait...the FN won the People's Republic of Lille? Holy shit. Things have certainly changed.
My understanding is that throughout Europe the right nationalist parties have been gaining their strength from traditionally left or far left working class voters.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 07, 2015, 12:25:49 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 07, 2015, 12:04:03 AM
Wait...the FN won the People's Republic of Lille? Holy shit. Things have certainly changed.
My understanding is that throughout Europe the right nationalist parties have been gaining their strength from traditionally left or far left working class voters.
Blue dog French democrats? :P
Quote from: Tonitrus on December 07, 2015, 01:33:35 AM
Blue dog French democrats? :P
Mindless lumpenproletariat.
Quote from: Liep on December 06, 2015, 04:41:45 PM
Besides hating Muslims, what side is FN on?
Putin's.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 07, 2015, 01:38:48 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on December 07, 2015, 01:33:35 AM
Blue dog French democrats? :P
Mindless lumpenproletariat.
Yeah, the electorate of FN is almost exactly the same as that of Trump, in terms of education, demographics and mindlessness.
The popularity comes largely from failure* of mainstream politics to tackle globalization, including mass migrations of the last decades.
*The only debate is whether the failure was avoidable or not. Both FN and Trump propose bad solutions to a problem that may very well be insolvable.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 07, 2015, 01:38:48 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on December 07, 2015, 01:33:35 AM
Blue dog French democrats? :P
Mindless lumpenproletariat.
Nope, Lumpenproletariat would the foreign origin suburban tracksuits. FN voters among Muslims is low, with the notable exceptions of harkis (former Muslim auxiliary troops of the Algerian War).
Proletariat that used to vote for the Communists? Yes.
Quote from: Valmy on December 07, 2015, 12:04:03 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 06, 2015, 03:56:58 PM
FN first in Nord-Picardie (North) with Marine meh
Wait...the FN won the People's Republic of Lille? Holy shit. Things have certainly changed.
The left has abandoned its social roots. They are more into multiculturalism and "society" issues (sociétal above social) these days. Thing is, French proles do not care that much about gender theory, surrogacy, are indifferent about the great achievement that is homo marriage and so on. French prolétariat also scorns multiculturalism. "Anti-racism" as whitey as the untermensch and PC are despised too.
As for Lille, they still have a PS mayor, don't worry. The new region with the Calais jungle mess, already had high FN scores before.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 07, 2015, 04:14:52 AM
The left has abandoned its social roots. They are more into multiculturalism and "society" issues (sociétal above social) these days.
What the progressive left here seems to care about are trannies, displaying Stockholm Syndrome/kind and sensitive person fetish towards Islam, obnoxious jailhouse feminism and Maldivian sea levels in the 21st century. In that order.
Voting is too difficult for Hollande.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW5zIFAjyzw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW5zIFAjyzw)
Quote from: Legbiter on December 07, 2015, 06:12:18 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 07, 2015, 04:14:52 AM
The left has abandoned its social roots. They are more into multiculturalism and "society" issues (sociétal above social) these days.
What the progressive left here seems to care about are trannies, displaying Stockholm Syndrome/kind and sensitive person fetish towards Islam, obnoxious jailhouse feminism and Maldivian sea levels in the 21st century. In that order.
It only goes to show why educated people should abandon the left for the free market liberals. Let the poor suffer - there isn't much good from them anyway.
Quote from: Martinus on December 07, 2015, 03:24:44 PM
It only goes to show why educated people should abandon the left for the free market liberals. Let the poor suffer - there isn't much good from them anyway.
False choice. Lame. Anyway people are not abandoning the left for free market liberals but right wingers nationalist types who will be happy to continue welfare state stuff for Teh Nation
TM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 07, 2015, 03:56:28 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 07, 2015, 01:38:48 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on December 07, 2015, 01:33:35 AM
Blue dog French democrats? :P
Mindless lumpenproletariat.
Nope, Lumpenproletariat would the foreign origin suburban tracksuits. FN voters among Muslims is low, with the notable exceptions of harkis (former Muslim auxiliary troops of the Algerian War).
Proletariat that used to vote for the Communists? Yes.
Yeah that's my take.
It's the working class voters who miss the class war politics that directly took care of their concerns, and are not satisfied with the new streams on the left that are either just a shade pinker than your average neo-liberal on one hand, or who focus primarily on identity politics on the other.
http://www.fondspascaldecroos.org/inhoud/werkbeurs/de-greep-van-de-angst-de-europese-sociaal-democratie-en-het-rechtspopulisme
this book -I don't think there's an English translation though- from 2005 describes the phenomenon (the old socialist base turning their backs on the, now, gauche-caviar and ending up voting for what is called the extreme-right but is more often than not -going by their social policies- another shade of socialist) quite well, with examples from France, Austria, Denmark, Flanders, the Netherlands and Sweden (where at that time the shift hadn't been made but seems to be happening right now).
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 07, 2015, 06:41:47 AM
Voting is too difficult for Hollande.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW5zIFAjyzw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW5zIFAjyzw)
:lol: Yeah, just leave that anywhere. Someone will get it.
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Christic Marine? :P
What does a Flemish lion do behind her? I thought all French Flemish were almost died out.
She is candidate for the new huge region Nord-Picardie. French Flanders are in Nord-Pas-de-Calais
The local gendarmerie has the Flemish lion on its uniform. The Flemish lion flag is sometimes used as the unofficial flag of Nord-Pas-de-Calais.
Picardie flag has Lys flowers and three Red Lions.
As for Flemish extinct, French wiki articles estimations vary between 20,000 to 40,000 billingual speakers still around
Latter estimate from this article http://www.lavoixdunord.fr/region/bientot-une-charte-pour-sauver-le-ch-ti-et-les-74-autres-ia0b0n2994164 (http://www.lavoixdunord.fr/region/bientot-une-charte-pour-sauver-le-ch-ti-et-les-74-autres-ia0b0n2994164)
What are the odds this would be a repeat of the Presidential election where El Chi won his last victory? I.e, what are the odds the opposition to the FN will rally behind any candidate able to beat them and we will see their numbers crumble in the second turn?
btw, how much time between 1st and 2nd round, 2 weeks?
Quote from: alfred russel on December 07, 2015, 12:18:35 AM
During the wars of religion, Paris was the ultracatholic stronghold. A couple centuries later, not so much.
I've been reading Emmanuel Todd's L'invention de Europe - he has a whole riff on the idea of the ultracatholic agitation of that period as precursor to the revolutionary moment of the late 18th century.
Run-off is next Sunday.
Front républicain is over since it tends to validate FN ideas such as right and left are the same, according to the conservatives and centre. On the other hand, the PS has chosen in some cases to withdraw, out of their own volition, their candidates who arrived third. It's called barrage républicain. Only in two regions, another socialist candidate refused orders from Paris, so he's running without PS endorsement in the Greater East region.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 11, 2015, 01:11:54 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 07, 2015, 12:18:35 AM
During the wars of religion, Paris was the ultracatholic stronghold. A couple centuries later, not so much.
I've been reading Emmanuel Todd's L'invention de Europe - he has a whole riff on the idea of the ultracatholic agitation of that period as precursor to the revolutionary moment of the late 18th century.
Can you share the outlines?
His master theory is that family structure is a key determinant in social evolution (and that such structures -- while enduring in space across long period of time - do not fall nicely within national boundaries). The Parisian basin is what he categorizes as Nucleaire egailitaire (accents missing) - i.e. nuclear, non-extended families with equal status among brothers of different birth order. During the reformation, areas with that family structure tended to support counter-reformatory (anti-Augustinian) Catholicism, because, as characterized by Todd, it is liberal and egalitarian on the metaphysical level - free will, anyone can be saved who chooses. Todd also argues (and cites to work by others arguing) that the Catholic League in paris exhibited anti-aristocratic, and anti-monarchic tendencies, prefiguring the later revolutionary ideology. Catholic support in the Parisian basin, while strong, was in Todd's view brittle. He argues that the coming of the scientific revolution, where accompanied by a certain level of literacy, undermined belief in God in those regions with the nucleaire egalitaire family structure - this state of affairs is reached in the Paris in basin during the 18th century. Ideology shifts from leaguist Catholicism and its liberal-egalitarian ideal of the world to come (metaphysical) to the revolutionary ideology of liberal-egalitarianism in this world (physical).
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 11, 2015, 03:40:56 PM
His master theory is that family structure is a key determinant in social evolution (and that such structures -- while enduring in space across long period of time - do not fall nicely within national boundaries). The Parisian basin is what he categorizes as Nucleaire egailitaire (accents missing) - i.e. nuclear, non-extended families with equal status among brothers of different birth order. During the reformation, areas with that family structure tended to support counter-reformatory (anti-Augustinian) Catholicism, because, as characterized by Todd, it is liberal and egalitarian on the metaphysical level - free will, anyone can be saved who chooses. Todd also argues (and cites to work by others arguing) that the Catholic League in paris exhibited anti-aristocratic, and anti-monarchic tendencies, prefiguring the later revolutionary ideology. Catholic support in the Parisian basin, while strong, was in Todd's view brittle. He argues that the coming of the scientific revolution, where accompanied by a certain level of literacy, undermined belief in God in those regions with the nucleaire egalitaire family structure - this state of affairs is reached in the Paris in basin during the 18th century. Ideology shifts from leaguist Catholicism and its liberal-egalitarian ideal of the world to come (metaphysical) to the revolutionary ideology of liberal-egalitarianism in this world (physical).
That is awesome. I never gave much thought to it, and haven't read anything serious on the topic, but I always just assumed that after so much time and so much migration into Paris, there was just discontinuity between who was living there in the wars of religion and the revolution. Also, relatively speaking, Paris was much more dominated by commerce in 1789, less dominated by church/state/educators, and the church/state intellectual bond had weakened considerably.
I'm not sure I buy the theory but its fine work in the best of the French academic tradition: rigorous, exhaustively researched, multi-disciplinary, ambitious to the point of biting off more than can be chewed.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 11, 2015, 04:20:44 PM
I always just assumed that after so much time and so much migration into Paris, there was just discontinuity between who was living there in the wars of religion and the revolution.
I think Todd would argue that within a given region, family structure tends to be enduring across time, even in the presence of migration - i.e. the migrants tend to conform to the regional norm over time or their alternative structures remain a minority
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 11, 2015, 04:39:16 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 11, 2015, 04:20:44 PM
I always just assumed that after so much time and so much migration into Paris, there was just discontinuity between who was living there in the wars of religion and the revolution.
I think Todd would argue that within a given region, family structure tends to be enduring across time, even in the presence of migration - i.e. the migrants tend to conform to the regional norm over time or their alternative structures remain a minority
Not that I have any basis to argue with Todd as I know jack about Paris during the revolution and wars of religion, and only know of his theory from what you posted.
But what seems most weak to me is that the people of paris supported the catholic cause in the wars of religion because they found the metaphysical framework appealing.
Very simplistically I think in terms of a company town: I'd expect a West Virginia coal mining town to be highly supportive of coal mining, even among the people that aren't directly involved in coal mining. During the 16th century, Paris was a sort of company town: the seat of the state. Catholicism was deeply embedded in everything about the state. In Paris in particular you also had lots of churches requiring upkeep, pilgrims, universities, clergy in administrative roles, etc. Converting to Protestantism was a revolutionary act, and that threatened Paris.
In 1789, not only had Versailles been constructed, but the city had become much more commercial and those church / state bonds significantly eroded. The merchant class was prone to revolution as this class was excluded in a sense from the existing power structure, and in earlier times was prone to be protestant in any event. The greatly expanded urban poor also had this same disaffection.
That's a good point, but can it explain the level of feeling and zealotry by the leaguers? NYC is pretty dependent on Wall Street but the masses of people aren't exactly ready to give their lives for carried interest.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 11, 2015, 05:24:46 PM
That's a good point, but can it explain the level of feeling and zealotry by the leaguers? NYC is pretty dependent on Wall Street but the masses of people aren't exactly ready to give their lives for carried interest.
It is a matter of degree. Paris was the capital both in the 16th century and 1789. Today New York is a massive city for which wall street provides significant benefits, but very few people are directly impacted by Wall Street.
Wikipedia says Paris was about 3 times larger in 1789 vs. the 16th century. So the city grew a lot, administration moved out to Versailles, and there was growing secularization. For example, a 16th century professor at the Sorbonne very likely was professionally tied to Catholic dogma, but that was less likely in 1789. Such a prestigious position wouldn't just influence his opinion, but also his family's, and quite possibly his servants as well. Maybe Paris went from being the equivalent of a West Virginia coal mining town to modern NYC.
I am of course talking with few facts and out of my ass. :)
Back to the campaign in Île-de-France, Bartolone courts openly the ethnic vote and racialises class warfare in a regional election.
He is the notorious President of the notorious Seine Saint-Denis suburban department of Paris. His management has been criticised by the Cour des Comptes (French court of Auditors).
http://www.lepoint.fr/politique/emmanuel-berretta/seine-saint-denis-les-perles-de-la-gestion-a-la-bartolone-02-07-2015-1941889_1897.php (http://www.lepoint.fr/politique/emmanuel-berretta/seine-saint-denis-les-perles-de-la-gestion-a-la-bartolone-02-07-2015-1941889_1897.php)
How? By depicting Valérie Pécresse, his centre and right opponent, as a defender of the white race, of Versailles and Neuilly (very wealthy suburbs). The Versailles association is comical since it evokes memories of the Suppression of the Paris Commune by the
Versaillais troops of Thiers. Next Monday Bartolone up to the Mur des Fédérés? (Communards' Wall) :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communards%27_Wall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communards%27_Wall)
Precise Bartolone quote
QuoteElle tient les mêmes propos que le FN, elle utilise une image subliminale pour faire peur. Avec un discours comme celui-là, c'est Versailles, Neuilly et la race blanche qu'elle défend en creux.
http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/politique/elections-regionales-2015/20151209.OBS1082/bartolone-pecresse-defend-versailles-neuilly-et-la-race-blanche.html (http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/politique/elections-regionales-2015/20151209.OBS1082/bartolone-pecresse-defend-versailles-neuilly-et-la-race-blanche.html)
Reductio ad FN, variant of the reductio ad hitlerum.
En creux, basically means crypto-whatever.
I like the FN, just for the hot young chick.
Wrong region Ed, sorry. :(
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 12, 2015, 10:45:04 AM
Wrong region Ed, sorry. :(
Why is she not front and national? :angry:
Quote from: Liep on December 12, 2015, 10:47:25 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 12, 2015, 10:45:04 AM
Wrong region Ed, sorry. :(
Why is she not front and national? :angry:
[spoiler]Not[/spoiler] too old and too fat, unlike her aunt.
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Marion picture of the day for Languish.
Doom?
This would be doom:
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FN wins none of the regions. :frog:
For the Languish fanboys of Marion, here's a picture from the good times of the first round results:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVkK7EoWUAAJBWJ.png)
Results arrived:
Out of the 12 new regions in the mainland, 7 went to the right and centre:
Île-de-France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur (no leftie list in the run-off), Nord-Pas de Calais-Picardie (no leftie list there in the run-off), Greater East region/French Lotharingia (despite a dissident PS list), Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes, Greater reunified Normandie (sorry Ed no FN for you there but you're safe from the left at least), Pays de la Loire (Vendée, Anjou, Lower Loire whatever).
The other five for the left:
Greater Burgundy (Burgundy + France-Comté), almost 1/3 for each block but first past the post premium (25 % of the seats), the left had two more points than the right itself only a couple of decimals in front of the FN, this will be a nice region for leftie experimentation with 2/3 of the vote against them; Brittany (incomplete still not including Nantes the ducal capital) stronghold of the PS; Centre Val-de-Loire (Tours/Orléans), almost one 1/3 for each bloc the left had one more point than the right, same situation as in Greater Burgundy; Great SW blob region (Aquitaine, Poitou-Charentes, Limousin) gerrymandered for the PS, convincing left victory 11 points; Languedoc-Roussillon Midi-Pyrénes (from Toulouse to French Catalonia) convincing left victory 10 points ahead of the FN, FN candidate there is Louis Alliot, boyfriend of Marine, right and centre far behind.
Thanks to the FN, the PS and its allies avoided a total disaster. One could describe these results as a victorious defeat for the FN since it has reached unprecedented levels.
edit: NO region (zero) for the FN
Are these elections as important as the local elections in Saudi Arabia that our media have spent the weekend trumpeting? :unsure:
Well, I believe French regions have more powers than councils in Saudi Arabia, and everybody would agree that there is more variety in political choices in France so that made French elections more interesting to follow. :)
PS: No Marion in Saudi Arabia.
As long as the socialists took a kick in the nuts in Normandy, I'm happy.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 13, 2015, 06:45:35 AM
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Marion picture of the day for Languish.
She is young, but her looks are average at best. 5/10.
Does this mean France is now a nation of the far right?
Quote from: Jaron on December 14, 2015, 01:06:37 AM
Does this mean France is now a nation of the far right?
Uhm no. Why would you say that?
The Duque said the right won 7 duchies.
But he also said the "far" right won zero.
Or Maladict did. :sleep:
Quote from: Monoriu on December 13, 2015, 09:49:09 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 13, 2015, 06:45:35 AM
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Marion picture of the day for Languish.
She is young, but her looks are average at best. 5/10.
Picky Mono? :D
Not her best picture, I'll grant you that. Why don't you post pictures of your wife so we can compare? :P
She definitely has a good side and a bad side.
I'd rather be on her good side. :wub:
Map of the results.
Not mentioned yet, but Corsican regionalist/nationalists/mafiosi have won the region.
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edited as per Liep's suggestion
So the party on the right won Paris? :hmm:
Which issues are big in French politics?
In centralised France what are the powers of the regions?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 14, 2015, 05:39:02 AM
So the party on the right won Paris? :hmm:
Well, technically they did not won Paris. However, they won the region. I helped counting the votes in my area, and only 8 out of 20 arrondissements voted for the centre and right. Yes, centre is usually associated with the right/conservatives in France.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 14, 2015, 05:15:04 AM
I'd rather be on her good side. :wub:
Map of the results, huge (sorry).
Not mentioned yet, but Corsican regionalist/nationalists/mafiosi have won the region.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.lexpress.fr%2Fdoc%2Fsvg%2Fregionales2015-2etour%2FEstimation-france22h45-2ndT.svg&hash=1e1f68c8a310006408acb00ce9100a74e2442d57)
*hint* add width=XXX to the [img] tag
Nice tip! I pass up good pics all the time because they're just too big.
Quote from: Liep on December 14, 2015, 06:30:06 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 14, 2015, 05:15:04 AM
I'd rather be on her good side. :wub:
Map of the results, huge (sorry).
Not mentioned yet, but Corsican regionalist/nationalists/mafiosi have won the region.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.lexpress.fr%2Fdoc%2Fsvg%2Fregionales2015-2etour%2FEstimation-france22h45-2ndT.svg&hash=1e1f68c8a310006408acb00ce9100a74e2442d57)
*hint* add width=XXX to the [img] tag
Oh, that's very nice to know.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 14, 2015, 05:15:04 AM
I'd rather be on her good side. :wub:
Map of the results
Not mentioned yet, but Corsican regionalist/nationalists/mafiosi have won the region.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.lexpress.fr%2Fdoc%2Fsvg%2Fregionales2015-2etour%2FEstimation-france22h45-2ndT.svg&hash=1e1f68c8a310006408acb00ce9100a74e2442d57)
edited as per Liep's suggestion
So where is the Black Prince going to land?
Hopefully, the Calais jungle: problem solved!
Quote from: Archy on December 14, 2015, 06:21:22 AM
In centralised France what are the powers of the regions?
Jacobin France is a thing of the past, more of a costly
bastard hybrid régime.
QuoteRegions lack separate legislative authority and therefore cannot write their own statutory law. They levy their own taxes and, in return, receive a decreasing part of their budget from the central government, which gives them a portion of the taxes it levies. They also have considerable budgets managed by a regional council (conseil régional) made up of representatives voted into office in regional elections.
A region's primary responsibility is to build and furnish high schools. In March 2004, the French central government unveiled a controversial plan to transfer regulation of certain categories of non-teaching school staff to the regional authorities. Critics of this plan contended that tax revenue was insufficient to pay for the resulting costs, and that such measures would increase regional inequalities.
In addition, regions have considerable discretionary power over infrastructural spending, e.g., education, public transit, universities and research, and assistance to business owners. This has meant that the heads of wealthy regions such as Île-de-France or Rhône-Alpes can be high-profile positions.
As I said earlier in the thread, the FN's favorite policies cannot really be enforced at the regional level.
English wiki article is accurate enough about the role of French regions, though the geography of the first map is outdated.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/France-Regions_et_blasons.svg/1280px-France-Regions_et_blasons.svg.png)
Uncharacteristic for the French to not come up with a better sounding name than "Centre".
Outdated map as I said, and probably text limitations. Actually, people refer more and more to that region as Val-de-Loire, Loire Valley (Castle valley). Not great, but better.
IIRC French regions are pretty powerless so whoever rules them is not really in a position to implement anything groundbreaking. As Duque said, they can't even produce their own legislation and are basically a management instrument, not really something very ideological.
Quote from: The Larch on December 14, 2015, 07:48:23 AM
IIRC French regions are pretty powerless so whoever rules them is not really in a position to implement anything groundbreaking. As Duque said, they can't even produce their own legislation and are basically a management instrument, not really something very ideological.
In that case it seems weird there would be elections.
Quote from: Valmy on December 14, 2015, 08:21:08 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 14, 2015, 07:48:23 AM
IIRC French regions are pretty powerless so whoever rules them is not really in a position to implement anything groundbreaking. As Duque said, they can't even produce their own legislation and are basically a management instrument, not really something very ideological.
In that case it seems weird there would be elections.
Don't you even elect your state comptroller? Hardly a political position either.
Quote from: celedhring on December 14, 2015, 08:45:37 AM
Don't you even elect your state comptroller? Hardly a political position either.
Yes indeed. Hey what have I said about all of those elections in the past? :hmm:
We have elections for county dogcatcher. :sleep:
Quote from: Valmy on December 14, 2015, 08:21:08 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 14, 2015, 07:48:23 AM
IIRC French regions are pretty powerless so whoever rules them is not really in a position to implement anything groundbreaking. As Duque said, they can't even produce their own legislation and are basically a management instrument, not really something very ideological.
In that case it seems weird there would be elections.
Your anti-Girondin bias has shown itself again!