Sorry for not posting all of it, but the article is difficult to copy/paste:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-new-intolerance-of-student-activism-at-yale/414810/
In particular I invite you to watch this nasty crazy bitch yelling at the poor guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IEFD_JVYd0
Jesus Christ, if campuses look like this today, this is more a cause to fear for the future than ISIS.
How new is this?
Such are the economics of the modern american college.
Quote from: The Brain on November 15, 2015, 02:37:23 PM
How new is this?
I think this relates to this year's Halloween so a couple of weeks I guess.
Let's please make sweeping generalizations based on a single (unfortunate) instance. After all, isn't that what we all deplore?
Quote from: Martinus on November 15, 2015, 02:51:16 PM
Quote from: The Brain on November 15, 2015, 02:37:23 PM
How new is this?
I think this relates to this year's Halloween so a couple of weeks I guess.
I mean shrill retardism on campuses. Doesn't this go back at least decades?
Quote from: grumbler on November 15, 2015, 02:51:35 PM
Let's please make sweeping generalizations based on a single (unfortunate) instance. After all, isn't that what we all deplore?
Well, frankly I can't think of a single case of student activism of late that wasn't a shrill attempt at bullying people who think differently.
That's shrill baby.
I do see it as a positive sign that the mob slowly dispersed as the chick continued her rant.
Quote from: Martinus on November 15, 2015, 03:12:06 PM
Quote from: grumbler on November 15, 2015, 02:51:35 PM
Let's please make sweeping generalizations based on a single (unfortunate) instance. After all, isn't that what we all deplore?
Well, frankly I can't think of a single case of student activism of late that wasn't a shrill attempt at bullying people who think differently.
I don't think we should base policy on your inability to think of things.
I'm fine basing policy on nonsense and whims of the mob as is our wont.
Wouldn't it be nice if it was isolated incident and Grumbler had a point?
It's unfortunate that a lot of 'social justice' advocates seem to have adopted Marcuse's critique of liberal tolerance and applied it to identity politics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Critique_of_Pure_Tolerance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Critique_of_Pure_Tolerance) It makes life difficult for conservatives and heterodox leftists on college campuses, and it's the kind of ideology that can seriously backfire on its proponents, as well.
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on November 15, 2015, 06:47:20 PM
It's unfortunate that a lot of 'social justice' advocates seem to have adopted Marcuse's critique of liberal tolerance and applied it to identity politics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Critique_of_Pure_Tolerance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Critique_of_Pure_Tolerance) It makes life difficult for conservatives and heterodox leftists on college campuses, and it's the kind of ideology that can seriously backfire on its proponents, as well.
This is nothing new, however. This kind of thing has been going on since at least the sixties, and we have survived it. Even if it has been, all that time, " more a cause to fear for the future than ISIS."
When I was a university student, all I did was go to school, study, and take exams. I knew a whole bunch of Chinese students in the same faculty, and they were all the same. We never talked about politics, in Canada or China. Only exams, courses, assignments, jobs, games, sports, movies. Well they talked about sports, I had no idea about hockey. The student union was something that took our fees arbitrarily, and that's all I knew.
I don't understand why people who go to Yale bother.
Quote from: Martinus on November 15, 2015, 03:12:06 PM
Quote from: grumbler on November 15, 2015, 02:51:35 PM
Let's please make sweeping generalizations based on a single (unfortunate) instance. After all, isn't that what we all deplore?
Well, frankly I can't think of a single case of student activism of late that wasn't a shrill attempt at bullying people who think differently.
Whoa, Marty, you have come a long way around.
I take back all the mean things I said to you.
You are cool.
The Atlantic article is more ridiculous than whatever it is trying to target. I don't see the problem with university administration telling students to think before dressing up in blackface. It may be sad and unfortunate that such a message needs to be delivered to Ivy League students, but given that it's appropriate. The Christakis email was at best very naïve, and showed poor judgment -- calling it "relevant, thoughtful, civil engagement" is a pretty obvious tell that the article's author is pushing his own agenda - an inference that quickly finds further support in the snide comments about campus amenities.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 15, 2015, 10:34:42 PM
I don't see the problem with university administration telling students to think before dressing up in blackface.
I didn't see in this article that this is what the Yale administration said. Are you getting this from a different source?
QuoteHowever, Halloween is also unfortunately a time when the normal thoughtfulness and sensitivity of most Yale students can sometimes be forgotten and some poor decisions can be made including wearing feathered headdresses, turbans, wearing 'war paint' or modifying skin tone or wearing blackface or redface.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 15, 2015, 10:34:42 PM
The Atlantic article is more ridiculous than whatever it is trying to target. I don't see the problem with university administration telling students to think before dressing up in blackface. It may be sad and unfortunate that such a message needs to be delivered to Ivy League students, but given that it's appropriate. The Christakis email was at best very naïve, and showed poor judgment -- calling it "relevant, thoughtful, civil engagement" is a pretty obvious tell that the article's author is pushing his own agenda - an inference that quickly finds further support in the snide comments about campus amenities.
Whatever all the facts are, seeing that screaming shrill bitch should be enough to convince any sensible individual that she is on the side of evil in this.
QuoteDear Yale students,
The end of October is quickly approaching, and along with the falling leaves and cooler nights come the Halloween celebrations on our campus and in our community. These celebrations provide opportunities for students to socialize as well as make positive contributions to our community and the New Haven community as a whole. Some upcoming events include:
• Haunted Hall Crawl & Costume Ball at Yale Peabody Museum of Natural History • Grove Street Cemetery Tours, Grove Street Cemetery, New Haven • YSO's Halloween Show, Woolsey Hall
However, Halloween is also unfortunately a time when the normal thoughtfulness and sensitivity of most Yale students can sometimes be forgotten and some poor decisions can be made including wearing feathered headdresses, turbans, wearing 'war paint' or modifying skin tone or wearing blackface or redface. These same issues and examples of cultural appropriation and/or misrepresentation are increasingly surfacing with representations of Asians and Latinos.
Yale is a community that values free expression as well as inclusivity. And while students, undergraduate and graduate, definitely have a right to express themselves, we would hope that people would actively avoid those circumstances that threaten our sense of community or disrespects, alienates or ridicules segments of our population based on race, nationality, religious belief or gender expression.
The culturally unaware or insensitive choices made by some members of our community in the past, have not just been directed toward a cultural group, but have impacted religious beliefs, Native American/Indigenous people, Socio-economic strata, Asians, Hispanic/Latino, Women, Muslims, etc. In many cases the student wearing the costume has not intended to offend, but their actions or lack of forethought have sent a far greater message than any apology could after the fact...
There is growing national concern on campuses everywhere about these issues, and we encourage Yale students to take the time to consider their costumes and the impact it may have. So, if you are planning to dress-up for Halloween, or will be attending any social gatherings planned for the weekend, please ask yourself these questions before deciding upon your costume choice:
• Wearing a funny costume? Is the humor based on "making fun" of real people, human traits or cultures?
• Wearing a historical costume? If this costume is meant to be historical, does it further misinformation or historical and cultural inaccuracies?
• Wearing a 'cultural' costume? Does this costume reduce cultural differences to jokes or stereotypes?
• Wearing a 'religious' costume? Does this costume mock or belittle someone's deeply held faith tradition?
• Could someone take offense with your costume and why?
Here is a great resource for costume ideas organized by our own Community & Consent Educators (CCEs) https://www.pinterest.com/yalecces/
We are one Yale, and the actions of one affect us all..., so in whatever fashion you choose to participate in Halloween activities, we encourage everyone to be safe and thoughtful during your celebration.
Sincerely,
The Intercultural Affairs Committee-
So Joan this is not just asking students to "think before they put on blackface."
it's signed the intercultural affairs committee. any reasonable student would (at worst) glance at that and think, oh god, here we go... and move on. doesn't seem that bad otherwise.
There was an actual incident of students wearing blackface on Halloween a few years earlier. In that context, I don't see what is so objectionable about the letter. The letter doesn't impose or propose any sanction. It is simply advising students to be thoughtful. Does that really justify a rant in the Atlantic?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 16, 2015, 12:42:24 AM
There was an actual incident of students wearing blackface on Halloween a few years earlier. In that context, I don't see what is so objectionable about the letter. The letter doesn't impose or propose any sanction. It is simply advising students to be thoughtful. Does that really justify a rant in the Atlantic?
I don't accept your premise that the Atlantic piece is a rant.
I agree with the writer of that piece that the pushback email is a reasonable position to take, since at least to me it's plain as day that the original policy email is saying if you dress as an ethnic group other than your own you're an asshole.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 16, 2015, 12:45:55 AM
I don't accept your premise that the Atlantic piece is a rant.
I'll give an example.
QuoteIt is therefore remarkable that no fewer than 13 administrators took scarce time to compose, circulate, and co-sign a letter advising adult students on how to dress for Halloween, a cause that misguided campus activists mistake for a social-justice priority.
There are 13 individuals that are listed as signatories, but that is because it was sent by a committee of which they are members. It should be obvious that all 13 did not "compose" and "circulate" the letter, much less take "scarce" time to do so. As it turns out, the letter is slightly edited version of a similar letter sent by one of the signatories at a prior university post. I.e. other than making a routine decision to send it, virtually no significant time - scarce or not - was taken. The only way to explain the rhetoric is axe-grinding.
QuoteI agree with the writer of that piece that the pushback email is a reasonable position to take, since at least to me it's plain as day that the original policy email is saying if you dress as an ethnic group other than your own you're an asshole.
The "pushback" email is taking the position that it's OK to be an asshole. ("regressive"/"transgressive").
Isn't the pushback email taking the position that people in fact have a right to be assholes, and other people don't actually HAVE to get offended by it?
I think the original "Hey, lets not be assholes" email was fine.
And I think the "Hey, you don't actually have to get all bent out of shape over people being assholes, and honestly, learning how to deal with different viewpoints is kind of important too" pushback email was fine as well.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 16, 2015, 12:59:45 AM
I'll give an example.
QuoteIt is therefore remarkable that no fewer than 13 administrators took scarce time to compose, circulate, and co-sign a letter advising adult students on how to dress for Halloween, a cause that misguided campus activists mistake for a social-justice priority.
There are 13 individuals that are listed as signatories, but that is because it was sent by a committee of which they are members. It should be obvious that all 13 did not "compose" and "circulate" the letter, much less take "scarce" time to do so. As it turns out, the letter is slightly edited version of a similar letter sent by one of the signatories at a prior university post. I.e. other than making a routine decision to send it, virtually no significant time - scarce or not - was taken. The only way to explain the rhetoric is axe-grinding.
Still don't see how overstating the time it took to write the email qualifies as ranting, but I'll drop it.
QuoteThe "pushback" email is taking the position that it's OK to be an asshole. ("regressive"/"transgressive").
The pushback email is taking the position that it's OK to dress up as a black Disney character. I don't think a white person dressed up as a black Disney character is an asshole, unless she does something else to demonstrate to me she is, and I don't see how you can think she is.
Quote from: Berkut on November 16, 2015, 01:07:23 AM
Isn't the pushback email taking the position that people in fact have a right to be assholes, and other people don't actually HAVE to get offended by it?
I think the original "Hey, lets not be assholes" email was fine.
And I think the "Hey, you don't actually have to get all bent out of shape over people being assholes, and honestly, learning how to deal with different viewpoints is kind of important too" pushback email was fine as well.
I think this is more nuanced than that. Most ethnicity-based Halloween costumes are in fact not equivalents of black face, as the original email was implying.
Quote from: Martinus on November 16, 2015, 01:10:02 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 16, 2015, 01:07:23 AM
Isn't the pushback email taking the position that people in fact have a right to be assholes, and other people don't actually HAVE to get offended by it?
I think the original "Hey, lets not be assholes" email was fine.
And I think the "Hey, you don't actually have to get all bent out of shape over people being assholes, and honestly, learning how to deal with different viewpoints is kind of important too" pushback email was fine as well.
I think this is more nuanced than that. Most ethnicity-based Halloween costumes are in fact not equivalents of black face, as the original email was implying.
So? Who cares?
The basic point of the email is "Look, don't be a douchebag." There isn't anything wrong with that message, even if you feel like some of things the email mentions are not actually that douchebaggery anyway. So what?
It is kind of ironic to me - people seem to get offended at the first email. Which is pretty funny, since the basic point of the pushback email is that people ought and can say shit you don't agree with without the need to get all worked up over it.
I think my view here is nicely consistent - I think the people who wrote the first email did so in good faith, and that is fine. And the people who wrote the second did so in good faith, and THAT is fine.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 16, 2015, 12:32:08 AM
QuoteDear Yale students,
The end of October is quickly approaching, and along with the falling leaves and cooler nights come the Halloween celebrations on our campus and in our community. These celebrations provide opportunities for students to socialize as well as make positive contributions to our community and the New Haven community as a whole. Some upcoming events include:
• Haunted Hall Crawl & Costume Ball at Yale Peabody Museum of Natural History • Grove Street Cemetery Tours, Grove Street Cemetery, New Haven • YSO's Halloween Show, Woolsey Hall
However, Halloween is also unfortunately a time when the normal thoughtfulness and sensitivity of most Yale students can sometimes be forgotten and some poor decisions can be made including wearing feathered headdresses, turbans, wearing 'war paint' or modifying skin tone or wearing blackface or redface. These same issues and examples of cultural appropriation and/or misrepresentation are increasingly surfacing with representations of Asians and Latinos.
Yale is a community that values free expression as well as inclusivity. And while students, undergraduate and graduate, definitely have a right to express themselves, we would hope that people would actively avoid those circumstances that threaten our sense of community or disrespects, alienates or ridicules segments of our population based on race, nationality, religious belief or gender expression.
The culturally unaware or insensitive choices made by some members of our community in the past, have not just been directed toward a cultural group, but have impacted religious beliefs, Native American/Indigenous people, Socio-economic strata, Asians, Hispanic/Latino, Women, Muslims, etc. In many cases the student wearing the costume has not intended to offend, but their actions or lack of forethought have sent a far greater message than any apology could after the fact...
There is growing national concern on campuses everywhere about these issues, and we encourage Yale students to take the time to consider their costumes and the impact it may have. So, if you are planning to dress-up for Halloween, or will be attending any social gatherings planned for the weekend, please ask yourself these questions before deciding upon your costume choice:
• Wearing a funny costume? Is the humor based on "making fun" of real people, human traits or cultures?
• Wearing a historical costume? If this costume is meant to be historical, does it further misinformation or historical and cultural inaccuracies?
• Wearing a 'cultural' costume? Does this costume reduce cultural differences to jokes or stereotypes?
• Wearing a 'religious' costume? Does this costume mock or belittle someone's deeply held faith tradition?
• Could someone take offense with your costume and why?
Here is a great resource for costume ideas organized by our own Community & Consent Educators (CCEs) https://www.pinterest.com/yalecces/
We are one Yale, and the actions of one affect us all..., so in whatever fashion you choose to participate in Halloween activities, we encourage everyone to be safe and thoughtful during your celebration.
Sincerely,
The Intercultural Affairs Committee-
So Joan this is not just asking students to "think before they put on blackface."
I don't see anything wrong with this email. It is a helpful reminder that Yale students should not put their future at risk by doing something stupid, like putting on an SS uniform or something like that. I think the whole situation is a storm in a teacup. I find it bizarre that news sites choose to write about such a non-story, and to generalise it by saying that "student activism" as a whole is somehow endangered.
Quote from: Berkut on November 16, 2015, 01:14:03 AM
I think my view here is nicely consistent - I think the people who wrote the first email did so in good faith, and that is fine. And the people who wrote the second did so in good faith, and THAT is fine.
Totally agree.
Quote from: Monoriu on November 16, 2015, 01:14:13 AM
I don't see anything wrong with this email. It is a helpful reminder that Yale students should not put their future at risk by doing something stupid, like putting on an SS uniform or something like that. I think the whole situation is a storm in a teacup. I find it bizarre that news sites choose to write about such a non-story, and to generalise it by saying that "student activism" as a whole is somehow endangered.
I get the very strong impression you have not watched the video.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 16, 2015, 01:22:56 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on November 16, 2015, 01:14:13 AM
I don't see anything wrong with this email. It is a helpful reminder that Yale students should not put their future at risk by doing something stupid, like putting on an SS uniform or something like that. I think the whole situation is a storm in a teacup. I find it bizarre that news sites choose to write about such a non-story, and to generalise it by saying that "student activism" as a whole is somehow endangered.
I get the very strong impression you have not watched the video.
You are right, I didn't watch the video. But I read the article, which described what happened in the video.
So one nameless student over-reacted to a perceived wrong. Happens every day around the world, I suppose.
You got a transcript for the video? All I got was that the girl was very upset.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 16, 2015, 01:38:36 AM
You got a transcript for the video? All I got was that the girl was very upset.
I assume that the video is about this -
Quote
"In your position as master," one student says, "it is your job to create a place of comfort and home for the students who live in Silliman. You have not done that. By sending out that email, that goes against your position as master. Do you understand that?!"
"No," he said, "I don't agree with that."
The student explodes, "Then why the fuck did you accept the position?! Who the fuck hired you?! You should step down! If that is what you think about being a master you should step down! It is not about creating an intellectual space! It is not! Do you understand that? It's about creating a home here. You are not doing that!"
Quote from: Berkut on November 16, 2015, 01:14:03 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 16, 2015, 01:10:02 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 16, 2015, 01:07:23 AM
Isn't the pushback email taking the position that people in fact have a right to be assholes, and other people don't actually HAVE to get offended by it?
I think the original "Hey, lets not be assholes" email was fine.
And I think the "Hey, you don't actually have to get all bent out of shape over people being assholes, and honestly, learning how to deal with different viewpoints is kind of important too" pushback email was fine as well.
I think this is more nuanced than that. Most ethnicity-based Halloween costumes are in fact not equivalents of black face, as the original email was implying.
So? Who cares?
The basic point of the email is "Look, don't be a douchebag." There isn't anything wrong with that message, even if you feel like some of things the email mentions are not actually that douchebaggery anyway. So what?
It is kind of ironic to me - people seem to get offended at the first email. Which is pretty funny, since the basic point of the pushback email is that people ought and can say shit you don't agree with without the need to get all worked up over it.
I think my view here is nicely consistent - I think the people who wrote the first email did so in good faith, and that is fine. And the people who wrote the second did so in good faith, and THAT is fine.
Oh I agree. To me this isn't really about the first email as much as the fact that the guy got pilloried for the second email by some angry bitch.
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Quote from: Monoriu on November 15, 2015, 07:09:29 PM
When I was a university student, all I did was go to school, study, and take exams. I knew a whole bunch of Chinese students in the same faculty, and they were all the same. We never talked about politics, in Canada or China. Only exams, courses, assignments, jobs, games, sports, movies. Well they talked about sports, I had no idea about hockey. The student union was something that took our fees arbitrarily, and that's all I knew.
I don't understand why people who go to Yale bother.
What was your major?
Quote from: Valmy on November 16, 2015, 09:44:34 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on November 15, 2015, 07:09:29 PM
When I was a university student, all I did was go to school, study, and take exams. I knew a whole bunch of Chinese students in the same faculty, and they were all the same. We never talked about politics, in Canada or China. Only exams, courses, assignments, jobs, games, sports, movies. Well they talked about sports, I had no idea about hockey. The student union was something that took our fees arbitrarily, and that's all I knew.
I don't understand why people who go to Yale bother.
What was your major?
Business.
Quote
• Could someone take offense with your costume and why?
Yes, no matter what your costume is, because some people are useless idiots.
Quote from: Monoriu on November 16, 2015, 09:56:12 AM
Business.
Yeah well that is how things work in departments like that. In Engineering politics was never discussed either.
I'm mostly okay with both emails. The Yale email was phrased as a request, "think about these things before dressing up", nothing more. Basically a plea to "be nice", but you have the option to not be nice. My only nitpick with it would be the two bullet points on "deeply held faith traditions" and "deeply held cultural beliefs." To be frank, a lot of good has come of not respecting both of those things, if we took the default that we shouldn't express ourselves in ways that violate deeply held religious beliefs or cultural beliefs then the Enlightenment never would've happened, women would still be seen as chattel, and other such nonsense.
I'm more open to the idea that blackface rarely serves any valid purpose, and is mostly just racist and rude. But mocking religion and cultural traditions should actually be encouraged by Yale, not discouraged. But again--the email is just a request, I think Yale is free to make such requests.
The second email largely just says that people should be able to act obnoxiously--and I agree with that too. I don't really think Yale or Christakis deserves condemnation for the opinions they expressed in their emails.
Quote from: Martinus on November 16, 2015, 01:10:02 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 16, 2015, 01:07:23 AM
Isn't the pushback email taking the position that people in fact have a right to be assholes, and other people don't actually HAVE to get offended by it?
I think the original "Hey, lets not be assholes" email was fine.
And I think the "Hey, you don't actually have to get all bent out of shape over people being assholes, and honestly, learning how to deal with different viewpoints is kind of important too" pushback email was fine as well.
I think this is more nuanced than that. Most ethnicity-based Halloween costumes are in fact not equivalents of black face, as the original email was implying.
Right so then it becomes a question of using one's judgment. Apparently there had been problems in the past about that. Hence the letter saying use good judgment.
Total dog bites man story, nothing to see. I'm glad Berkut caught the irony of a piece ostensibly about hysterical over-reaction which itself is hysterically over-reacting.
Quote from: Martinus on November 16, 2015, 01:42:28 AM
Oh I agree. To me this isn't really about the first email as much as the fact that the guy got pilloried for the second email by some angry bitch.
So a young black woman got angry in public and the video got uploaded to YouTube and that is the cause for outrage??
I see outbursts like that every week involving cab drivers etc just walking around in midtown Manhattan.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 16, 2015, 10:28:55 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 16, 2015, 01:42:28 AM
Oh I agree. To me this isn't really about the first email as much as the fact that the guy got pilloried for the second email by some angry bitch.
So a young black woman got angry in public and the video got uploaded to YouTube and that is the cause for outrage??
I see outbursts like that every week involving cab drivers etc just walking around in midtown Manhattan.
You could retire if you put those on Youtube
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 16, 2015, 10:28:55 AM
So a young black woman got angry in public and the video got uploaded to YouTube and that is the cause for outrage??
I see outbursts like that every week involving cab drivers etc just walking around in midtown Manhattan.
Are angry cab drivers also "more a cause to fear for the future than ISIS?"
Quote from: grumbler on November 16, 2015, 01:00:11 PM
Are angry cab drivers also "more a cause to fear for the future than ISIS?"
Probably, since my demise is more likely to be connected to the former.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 16, 2015, 10:28:55 AM
So a young black woman got angry in public and the video got uploaded to YouTube and that is the cause for outrage??
I see outbursts like that every week involving cab drivers etc just walking around in midtown Manhattan.
You went to college. How many times did you see a student screaming at a professor in public?
It gets better:
QuoteBlack Lives Matter protesters berate white students studying at Dartmouth library
Roughly 150 Black Lives Matter protesters reportedly stormed a library at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire, Thursday night to berate students studying there for their supposed racial privilege.
The Dartmouth Review, an independent newspaper at the private Ivy League college, reported that protesters marched into the Baker-Berry Library shouting profanity and berating white students
Protesters reportedly shouted "F– you, you filthy white f–-" "f– you and your comfort" and "f– you, you racist s–."
"Throngs of protesters converged around fellow students who had not joined in their long march," The Review reported. "They confronted students who bore 'symbols of oppression' such as 'gangster hats' and Beats-brand headphones. The flood of demonstrators opened the doors of study spaces with students reviewing for exams. Those who tried to close their doors were harassed further. One student abandoned the study room and ran out of the library. The protesters followed her out of the library, shouting obscenities the whole way."
Men and women were pushed and shoved by the group, the newspaper claimed.
One woman was reportedly pinned to a wall by protesters who shouted "filthy white b–-" in her face.
The tactics, tone, and words of the Black Lives Matter protesters eerily mirrored everything they claim to stand against," writes The Review. "The long list of their clear oversteps should spark a moment of reckoning for every honest onlooker, and especially those who have sympathized with their movement to this point."
One video taken from the incident, published by Campus Reform, showed the contentious scene when dozens of people chanting "black lives matter" overtook an area of the library. One woman is seen raising her middle finger at the camera, while another confronts the camera-holder on whether he believes black lives matter.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/16/black-lives-matter-protesters-berate-white-student/#
Okay yes, that is unequivocally awful and detrimental.
Btw, is it just me or does the Washington Times site look like crap with all the advertisements everywhere?
That makes no sense. I guess they were mad that people were studying and not out there marching?
And what is a 'gangster hat'? Man it would suck to pay an assload for overpriced headphones like Beats only to discover they are symbols of oppression.
I don't know. The whole thing sounds too absurd to believe.
I used to think that SJW may be misguided or sometimes heavy handed but that ultimately their intentions are right ones. Now I am not sure any more.
I am coming to a conclusion that they are simply antisocial assholes who have found a socially acceptable way to bully and attack people with impunity. It seems to me that they do not seem to be interested in spreading their message or convincing the unconvinced to their cause - they seem to be solely interested in destroying other people for some more or less imaginary wrong.
it is the nature of a mob to take on the worst characteristics of its worst members, because individual members of the mob think that they aren't responsible for their actions; the rest of the mob is.
Mob mentality is as present on electronic media as in face-to-face.
We even see its vague echoes here: Berkut or I or someone like us says something that is correct but unpopular, the usual gang indulges themselves in the usual dogpile, then Minsky agrees with us and the same dogpile scrambles to agree with him. It is fascinating and amusing.
Nothing we do here has any real comparison with what is happening in the case cited, or the virtual lynching of Tim Hunt, but there are a lot of people here that cannot say that they'd never be part of an online mob.
Quote from: Martinus on November 17, 2015, 09:58:19 AM
I used to think that SJW may be misguided or sometimes heavy handed but that ultimately their intentions are right ones. Now I am not sure any more.
I am coming to a conclusion that they are simply antisocial assholes who have found a socially acceptable way to bully and attack people with impunity. It seems to me that they do not seem to be interested in spreading their message or convincing the unconvinced to their cause - they seem to be solely interested in destroying other people for some more or less imaginary wrong.
You know how it is. The most radical and extreme members alienate and purge the moderates in any movement. Lafayette was once in the Jacobin club.
Quote from: Martinus on November 17, 2015, 09:58:19 AM
I used to think that SJW may be misguided or sometimes heavy handed but that ultimately their intentions are right ones. Now I am not sure any more.
Marti there is nothing new about this - in fact is minor league, pussycat kind of stuff compared to student antics during the protest heyday of the late 60s. It is the sort of "transgressive" adolescent behavior that Christakis was talking about in her poorly judged email.
Funny though that Dr. Dre is now the fount of symbolic oppression.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 17, 2015, 10:47:33 AM
Funny though that Dr. Dre is now the fount of symbolic oppression.
Straight outta privilege
Quote from: Martinus on November 17, 2015, 08:00:37 AM
Quote"They confronted students who bore 'symbols of oppression' such as 'gangster hats' and Beats-brand headphones.[/b]
My son got me some Beats.
They work quite well. :)
Quote from: garbon on November 17, 2015, 09:14:21 AM
Btw, is it just me or does the Washington Times site look like crap with all the advertisements everywhere?
It's run by Yi's family.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 17, 2015, 12:22:24 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 17, 2015, 08:00:37 AM
Quote"They confronted students who bore 'symbols of oppression' such as 'gangster hats' and Beats-brand headphones.[/b]
My son got me some Beats.
They work quite well. :)
Do they? I heard they kind of blow for the price.
ok, now you have heard they work well for the price. What will you do?
Were the Dartmouth library thugs students or outside agitatahs?
If they were students it will be interesting to see what, if any, disciplinary action the university takes.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 17, 2015, 05:21:50 PM
ok, now you have heard they work well for the price. What will you do?
Keep it in mind next time I buy headphones. I tend to go through them pretty often.
Quote from: Valmy on November 17, 2015, 09:58:59 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 17, 2015, 05:21:50 PM
ok, now you have heard they work well for the price. What will you do?
Keep it in mind next time I buy headphones. I tend to go through them pretty often.
Why? Headphones last many years.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 17, 2015, 05:35:05 PM
Were the Dartmouth library thugs students or outside agitatahs?
If they were students it will be interesting to see what, if any, disciplinary action the university takes.
It doesn't say but you sort of get the impression they were outside agitatahs.
Quote from: Monoriu on November 17, 2015, 10:12:22 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 17, 2015, 09:58:59 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 17, 2015, 05:21:50 PM
ok, now you have heard they work well for the price. What will you do?
Keep it in mind next time I buy headphones. I tend to go through them pretty often.
Why? Headphones last many years.
Not the way I use them.
Quote from: Valmy on November 17, 2015, 10:46:45 PM
Not the way I use them.
:blink: I am not aware of any way to use headphones that reduce their lifespan. Unless you soak them in water or hit them against walls. I expect my headphones to last many, many years.
Quote from: Monoriu on November 17, 2015, 10:55:57 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 17, 2015, 10:46:45 PM
Not the way I use them.
:blink: I am not aware of any way to use headphones that reduce their lifespan. Unless you soak them in water or hit them against walls. I expect my headphones to last many, many years.
I wear them when I do housework and exercise and the like. They wear out physically.
Or step on them. They still function, but they don't sit in your ears unless you hold them there.
Or leave them in the bottom of your messenger bag and have them beat to shit over a few days.
Quote from: derspiess on November 18, 2015, 12:53:21 AM
Or leave them in the bottom of your messenger bag and have them beat to shit over a few days.
:o Surely suspending them for a semester or two would be sufficient punishment!
D is rocking a messenger bag?
Quote from: Monoriu on November 17, 2015, 10:55:57 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 17, 2015, 10:46:45 PM
Not the way I use them.
:blink: I am not aware of any way to use headphones that reduce their lifespan. Unless you soak them in water or hit them against walls. I expect my headphones to last many, many years.
He's a headbanger
Quote from: grumbler on November 17, 2015, 10:30:06 AM
We even see its vague echoes here: Berkut or I or someone like us says something that is correct but unpopular, the usual gang indulges themselves in the usual dogpile, then Minsky agrees with us and the same dogpile scrambles to agree with him. It is fascinating and amusing.
:hmm: :lmfao:
Quote from: DGuller on November 18, 2015, 08:26:04 AM
Quote from: grumbler on November 17, 2015, 10:30:06 AM
We even see its vague echoes here: Berkut or I or someone like us says something that is correct but unpopular, the usual gang indulges themselves in the usual dogpile, then Minsky agrees with us and the same dogpile scrambles to agree with him. It is fascinating and amusing.
:hmm: :lmfao:
He was right about one thing. It was fascinating and amusing to read that post.
Quote from: garbon on November 18, 2015, 02:57:17 AM
D is rocking a messenger bag?
Yeah. It's pink with rainbows and shit.
Ah, I see, you must be one of those pony fellows.