Certainly a problem, but unless the ACLU has much more resources than I think, they would be better served hammering the government over police brutality, torture, extrajudicial killings of American citizen abroad, Ide's beloved survaliance state, etc.
http://time.com/3855507/aclu-hollywood-sexism-gender-bias/?xid=gonewsedit&google_editors_picks=true
QuoteThe ACLU Wants the U.S. Government to Combat Sexism in Hollywood
Eliana Dockterman @edockterman
2:26 PM ET
The American Civil Liberties Union is targeting sexism in Hollywood, and it wants the government to step in and help.
Only 7% of the top 250 grossing films in 2014 were directed by women—two percentage points lower than in 1998, according to the annual Celluloid Ceiling report conducted by San Diego State University. The organization believes systematic gender bias is to blame.
"Many of these women directors have been told that they 'can't be trusted with money' by studio executives," says Ariela Migdal, a senior staff attorney at the ACLU. "This isn't just about stereotypes and implicit bias, it's about blatant discrimination. We heard over and over again from female directors that they've been told, 'This show is too hard for women' or 'You can't do this movie, it's action'—this to women who have directed plenty of action."
Gender bias in movie-making has reached a tipping point.
So on Tuesday, the ACLU sent letters to three federal organizations charged with ensuring equal employment opportunity. The letters included research and testimonies from 50 women directors, exemplifying bias and reporting sexist practices such as secret, studio-compiled "short lists" of potential directors who are almost exclusively male. These shortlists may explain why in television, for example, only 17% of directors were female last year.
The civil rights group hopes the messages will lead to a federal investigation and government intervention, which might include requiring short lists to be public and a database of women directors to be made available to producers who claim they "don't know any female filmmakers."
The request for federal action comes after a tension-filled Oscar season. Selma director Ava DuVernay was snubbed by the Academy, and many critics suggested bigotry against women or people of color might be at play — especially as only four female directors have ever been nominated for an Oscar. And Patricia Arquette used her speech after winning Best Actress to call for wage equality in the industry.
These ideas aren't new: Cate Blanchett lambasted "studio executives who are still foolishly clinging to the idea that female films with women at the center are a niche experience" at the Academy Awards last year. Even former Sony co-chairman Amy Pascal said in 2014 that the "whole system is geared for [female filmmakers] to fail."
But they have reached a tipping point. "There's been a building outrage, whether it's with Ava DuVernay or the pay gap that was revealed in those Sony leaks," says Migdal. "It's led women to say, 'This happened to me, and now I realize it's part of a bigger systemic pattern. That, I think, is why women are reaching out to us now."
The problem is not isolated to directors; behind the camera, only 17% of all directors, writers, producers, editors and cinematographers working on the top 250-grossing films are women. Women are also far less likely than men to graduate from critically-lauded independent features to bigger budget studio movies, according to a Sundance and Women in Film study that found that award-winning female directors rarely lead to the kind of studio opportunities a man would get. Women like Kathryn Bigelow (The Hurt Locker, Zero Dark Thirty) and Sofia Coppola (Lost in Translation, The Bling Ring) are very much the exception to the rule.
"There's this idea that men can direct films about women, but women can't direct films about men," says Migdal. While Paul Feige can direct the women-centric hit Bridesmaids and Judd Apatow has directed the upcoming Amy Schumer film, Trainwreck, women aren't given the same opportunity for action films or male-driven dramas like The Imitation Game or American Sniper. "I think people thought when Kathryn Bigelow won her Oscar women would finally get that opportunity. But statistically speaking that hasn't happened."
And even female actors struggle for the same opportunities as their male counterparts. Leaked Sony emails revealed that stars like Jennifer Lawrence and Amy Adams were being paid less than their male counterparts in films, despite having equal or more screen time. The two problems are, of course, related: when fewer women write and direct films, movies are less likely to tell women's stories and consequently fewer robust female roles are available.
Even though 2013 research found that movies that passed the Bechdel Test—a simple analysis that measures whether two women speak to each other in the film about something other than a man—made more money at the box office, studio executives continue to assume that audiences don't want to see films made by and about women.
Hollywood insiders generally think of women's films as "niche," according to recent study from the University of Southern California's Media, Diversity and Social Change Initiative. And that view persists despite the massive box office success of female-centric films like Frozen, Gravity and The Hunger Games, which are consistently considered flukes.
Legal action may now force studios to consider and hire female directors as a higher rate—but that doesn't necessarily mean they will be happy about it. "As a lawyer, I will take grudging hiring over non-hiring," says Migdal. "That's where change starts."
Fuck her right in the pussy
I've always had a lot of respect for the ACLU. Not happy to see them pushing for quotas for selected protected classes.
It's a genuine problem, and it's not beyond the ACLU's purview nor the Labor Department's. I got challenged on this the other day by my girlfriend--as you know, I own about 400 films on blu-ray. Number directed by women: zero. (If we include DVD, it's one. Namely, Wayne's World.)
At the same time, if we're talking about female directors, we do have to remember that we're talking about a rarefied profession. Arguably there are bigger fish to fry in other industries, and causes that don't benefit women already in the 1%--but Hollywood's institutional sexism is extraordinarily patent as well as extremely high-profile by any industry's standard. So, sure, go for it.
How many films were directed by blacks? American Indians? Laotians? Paraplegics?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 12, 2015, 08:17:28 PM
How many films were directed by blacks? American Indians? Laotians? Paraplegics?
Black guys? Two. Inside Man and 12 Years a Slave.
Anyway, it's not my fault. I own a lot of movies directed by Asians and a smattering directed by Hispanics. :)
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 12, 2015, 08:17:28 PM
How many films were directed by blacks? American Indians? Laotians? Paraplegics?
Half of the population is female, an eigth black. I don't think it's asking too much that women directors break out of the single digits in percent of films directed.
Do you have reason to be believe that the underrepresentation of women is more severe than that of American Indians, Laotians, and paraplegics?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 12, 2015, 10:31:25 PM
Do you have reason to be believe that the underrepresentation of women is more severe than that of American Indians, Laotians, and paraplegics?
Not saying that I agree with ACLU on this, but this is one really poor line of reasoning.
Quote from: Martinus on May 12, 2015, 11:40:00 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 12, 2015, 10:31:25 PM
Do you have reason to be believe that the underrepresentation of women is more severe than that of American Indians, Laotians, and paraplegics?
Not saying that I agree with ACLU on this, but this is one really poor line of reasoning.
Not to say that i agree with Yi, but yours is a classic of argument by assertion. You need to expand on an assertion to make it into an argument.
If you were noting that this is a classic Yicratic argument wherein Yi takes no position, but only asks questions to force the other side to defend theirs, that would be enough, and be a better argument.
Well, the argument that we should not be addressing one problem because we are also not addressing all other unrelated problems is a classic fallacy.
The Spanish media industry used to be very male-dominated just a mere 10 years ago or so; I would walk into a writers' room and there might be one woman in it at best. Nowadays, however, that has changed completely; it's not too rare to find myself in the minority in a team dominated by women, and we have plenty of powerful women in the industry. It also happened just naturally.
I think the issue here is that as an industry Hollywood is incredibly risk-adverse and very resistant to change. They will only hire a woman to write/direct a film aimed at women (or children, there's LOTS of women in children programming), and they don't make that many films aimed at women to begin with. The glass ceiling is slowly being chipped at, but it exists.
Can female directors blind me with lens flares like J J Abrams or suck off the US Military like Michael Bay? Without the ACLU we might never know.
Quote from: Martinus on May 13, 2015, 06:50:28 AM
Well, the argument that we should not be addressing one problem because we are also not addressing all other unrelated problems is a classic fallacy.
"Addressing the problem" in this case consists of asking for a quota for women. It takes exactly the same amount of energy, time and resources to ask for a quota for everyone.
Vagina Monologues II: the Bleeding Time
Staring:
Tyne Daly
Dixie Carter
And Miley Cyrus as Stringy
Not sure if its positive that awesome women actors took these roles or negative that they were even more roles originally destined for men.
Quote13 Kickass Women's Movie Roles Originally Meant for Men
By Autumn Harbison
Some of Hollywood's biggest A-listers are female, but women as a whole are vastly underrepresented in the movie industry. In 2012, less than 29% of speaking roles in movies were portrayed by women. That's down from just under 33% in 2010. To combat this trend, some women are claiming roles originally intended for men, and making them their own. (The person in charge of the space paradise in Elysium was written as a man, but was brought to life on screen by Jodie Foster.) Actresses are increasingly taking over male roles, and some of them, like the women below, have become pros at it.
1. Jodie Foster in 'Flightplan'
Before Elysium, Foster was already taking on Hollywood's boys' club. This movie was originally supposed to be about a father searching for his daughter on a plane, but as production moved forward, the director found that the setup didn't "ring true," and changed it to a mother and daughter. The character kept the original name, Kyle, despite the change in sex.
2. Angelina Jolie in 'Salt'
Salt's title character was originally named Edwin Salt, and had been created specifically for Tom Cruise. When Cruise passed on the movie, Edwin became Evelyn, and Angelina Jolie stepped into the role of an undercover Russian spy.
3. Jane Lynch in 'The 40-Year-Old Virgin'
When Nancy Walls, an actress and the wife of star Steve Carell, said there should be more women in The 40-Year-Old Virgin, the store manager role was changed from male to female, and cast with the hilarious Jane Lynch.
4. Lucy Liu in 'Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever'
The title characters in this film were both intended to be played by men, but lead Antonio Banderas suggested that Lucy Liu could improve the dynamic between the two characters. It's rumored that Wesley Snipes and Jet Li, and Vin Diesel and Sylvester Stallone were initially considered for the title roles.
5. Rosalind Russell in 'His Girl Friday'
The girl in His Girl Friday was a man in The Front Page, the play on which this movie is based. Hildy Johnson went from male to female after director Howard Hawks heard the character's lines read by a woman. Russell's portrayal of a strong female journalist is still fantastic, especially so when you consider the movie came out in 1940.
6. Helen Mirren in 'Arthur'
It takes a badass to play a role for which someone already won an Oscar. Helen Mirren is that badass. Sir John Gielgud won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor for his role as Hobson in the 1981's Arthur. In 2011's Arthur, Mirren's Hobson was the eponymous character's nanny. She may not have gotten an Oscar, but she did get to say "winkie" while wearing a Darth Vader mask.
7. Viola Davis in 'Ender's Game'
Audiences still have a little while to wait before they can see how Viola Davis' female version of Major Anderson compares to the male version in the book. Ender's Game comes out in theaters on November 1.
8. Dina Meyer in 'Starship Troopers'
The Dizzy Flores character in Starship Troopers transitioned from male to female on the way to the screen, and the character's role in the story was greatly expanded. He dies in the first chapter of the book, but she lasts long enough to become one of the central characters of the film.
9. Glenn Close in 'The Paper'
When Glenn Close took over the originally male role of a no-nonsense managing editor in 1994's The Paper, very little was done to change the character. Close even insisted that a fistfight in the script was left completely as written.
10. Grace Jones in 'Conan the Destroyer'
In the Conan the Barbarian comic books, Zula was the warrior prince of a tribal nation who fought for his freedom after being sold into slavery. In the movie, Zula became an androgynous female warrior, and the last of her tribe.
11. Sigourney Weaver in 'The TV Set'
In The TV Set, Sigourney Weaver played a television producer who went from male to female during the film's production. She requested that nothing about the character be changed when she took over for a male actor — including the character's obsession with whether women's breasts are real.
12. Sigourney Weaver in 'Vantage Point'
Weaver's most recent portrayal of a character originally conceived of as male was in 2008's Vantage Point, where she also played a television producer.
13. Sigourney Weaver in 'Alien'
Rounding out Weaver's hat-trick of roles is one of her most iconic performances, and arguably the greatest male-to-female character conversion ever: Ripley in Alien. In the film's DVD commentary, director Ridley Scott said that little was changed about the character when Ripley went from being a man to the woman embodied by Weaver. The female Ripley went on to be named the top female action hero and to be considered a feminist icon.
http://mic.com/articles/59113/13-kickass-women-s-movie-roles-originally-meant-for-men (http://mic.com/articles/59113/13-kickass-women-s-movie-roles-originally-meant-for-men)
Quote from: Brazen on May 13, 2015, 08:08:48 AM
Not sure if its positive that awesome women actors took these roles or negative that they were even more roles originallu destined for men.
I suppose there is something to be outraged about in every positive development.
I find this a mind blowing stat.
QuoteIn 2012, less than 29% of speaking roles in movies were portrayed by women. That's down from just under 33% in 2010.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 13, 2015, 08:17:26 AM
I find this a mind blowing stat.
QuoteIn 2012, less than 29% of speaking roles in movies were portrayed by women. That's down from just under 33% in 2010.
Not really. It is well documented. Hollywood is pretty loathsome. If only they could get Scientologists in movies down to that level.
I'm worried sick about this whole thing. Couldn't sleep last night. The knowledge that the ACLU is on the case is a comfort, though.
Quote from: derspiess on May 13, 2015, 08:35:30 AM
I'm worried sick about this whole thing. Couldn't sleep last night. The knowledge that the ACLU is on the case is a comfort, though.
There, there, pobrecito. :console:
Gracias, jefe.
Quote from: Brazen on May 13, 2015, 08:08:48 AM
Not sure if its positive that awesome women actors took these roles or negative that they were even more roles originally destined for men.
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5. Rosalind Russell in 'His Girl Friday'
The girl in His Girl Friday was a man in The Front Page, the play on which this movie is based. Hildy Johnson went from male to female after director Howard Hawks heard the character's lines read by a woman. Russell's portrayal of a strong female journalist is still fantastic, especially so when you consider the movie came out in 1940.
First time I saw this story adapted was in "His Girl Friday", later I watched Wilder's "The Front Page" and I couldn't understand why they had changed Hildy to a guy. It just feels natural for the character to be a woman.
Quote from: Brazen on May 13, 2015, 08:08:48 AM
Not sure if its positive that awesome women actors took these roles or negative that they were even more roles originally destined for men.
That's... a pretty sad list.
Quote from: Kleves on May 13, 2015, 08:58:06 AM
Quote from: Brazen on May 13, 2015, 08:08:48 AM
Not sure if its positive that awesome women actors took these roles or negative that they were even more roles originally destined for men.
That's... a pretty sad list.
In what sense?
Speaking of which, does the last GoT episode's conversation between Sansa and Myranda pass the Bechdel test?
Edit: and also, could someone explain to me that in order for a scene to pass the Bechdel test, the characters must not talk about men during the entire scene or that they may talk about various topics, one of these at least must be not men-related.
Quote from: Martinus on May 13, 2015, 09:06:19 AM
Speaking of which, does the last GoT episode's conversation between Sansa and Myranda pass the Bechdel test?
Edit: and also, could someone explain to me that in order for a scene to pass the Bechdel test, the characters must not talk about men during the entire scene or that they may talk about various topics, one of these at least must be not men-related.
I think the test is based on the whole film - so obviously two female characters can talk about a man, but it can't be that all their interactions involve talking about them. Sex and the City would basically be a fail in every minute...:D
+ Agree with Yi that it is an odd focus for the ACLU
+ Wonder to what degree there is still fallout from Elaine May/Ishtar
+ Cimino was a man; doesn't that end the question of which gender can be trusted with a budget? ;)
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 13, 2015, 10:30:34 AM
+ Cimino was a man; doesn't that end the question of which gender can be trusted with a budget? ;)
Largest financial flop in film history had a female lead though.
Fun fact, the producer of Heaven's Gate was one of my teachers at Columbia. He told some pretty fascinating tales about the whole fracas.
Quote from: celedhring on May 13, 2015, 11:21:22 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 13, 2015, 10:30:34 AM
+ Cimino was a man; doesn't that end the question of which gender can be trusted with a budget? ;)
Largest financial flop in film history had a female lead though.
Cutthroat Island?
Here you go, guys. Men up in arms about the new Mad Max movie.
returnofkings.com (http://www.returnofkings.com/63036/why-you-should-not-go-see-mad-max-feminist-road)
QuoteNot to get all "Reaxxiony" on you, but the geek inside of me was excited when I saw the previews and marketing material for "1886: The Order." Great period in Western Civilization history. An environment that one could get lost in. And technology (supported by Nikola Tesla) that promised those new, fun, fantastic weapons you'd need to take on an undead horde.
It flopped worse than Operation Market Garden.
Of course, this just reiterated a lesson that my hope (1886 would be a good video game) made me temporarily forget: Rarely does a game, book, or a movie live up to the hype surrounding it. And sadly the same thing can be said for "Mad Max: Fury Road."
If you were like me, the explosions, fire tornadoes, even the symphonic score surrounding "Fury Road's" first trailer made your attendance a foregone conclusion. It looked like a straight-up guy flick. No fucking around. Perhaps even a little, hidden acknowledgement from the director that when the shit hits the fan, it will be men like Jack Donovan Mad Max who will be in charge.
But then my spidey senses started noticing a couple things.
Charlize Theron kept showing up a lot in the trailers, while Tom Hardy (Mad Max) seemed to have cameo appearances. Charlize Theron sure talked a lot during the trailers, while I don't think I've heard one line from Tom Hardy. And finally, Charlize Theron's character barked orders to Mad Max.
Nobody barks orders to Mad Max.
Sure enough, what I suspected (but desperately wanted NOT to be true) was confirmed with two articles in the past week. One, Eve Ensler, author of "The Vagina Monologues" was consulted by the director to consult the female actresses in Fury Road about what it's like being sex slaves. Her presumed expertise in this area was based on work she claimed to have done in the Congo. Work I investigated and deemed "fishy" in a recent podcast (around the 1hr 6 min mark).
Two, of all the outdated, obsolete, Baby Boomer leftist rags, TIME MAGAZINE just comes outright and says it.
"Here's a surprise: Tom Hardy, a.k.a. Mad Max, isn't the star of Mad Max: Fury Road. Charlize Theron is. An even bigger surprise? Vagina Monologues author Eve Ensler consulted on what turns out to be a very feminist film....Theron, not Hardy, leads the charge; she also does the majority of the fighting."
Alas, I was forced to accept reality. Fury Road was not going to be a movie made for men. It was going to be a feminist piece of propaganda posing as a guy flick. And like "1886: The Order" I would be let down, and would have to pin my hopes on something else.
The real issue is not whether feminism has infiltrated and co-opted Hollywood, ruining nearly every potentially-good action flick with a forced female character or an unnecessary romance sub-plot to eek out that extra 3 million in female attendees.
It has.
And the real issue is not whether Hollywood has the audacity to remove the name sake of a movie franchise called MAD FREAKING MAX, and replace it with an impossible female character in an effort to kowtow to feminism.
It has.
It's whether men in America and around the world are going to be duped by explosions, fire tornadoes, and desert raiders into seeing what is guaranteed to be nothing more than feminist propaganda, while at the same time being insulted AND tricked into viewing a piece of American culture ruined and rewritten right in front of their very eyes.
Mad-Max
The truth is I'm angry about the extents Hollywood and the director of Fury Road went to trick me and other men into seeing this movie. Everything VISUALLY looks amazing. It looks like that action guy flick we've desperately been waiting for where it is one man with principles, standing against many with none.
But let us be clear. This is the vehicle by which they are guaranteed to force a lecture on feminism down your throat. This is the Trojan Horse feminists and Hollywood leftists will use to (vainly) insist on the trope women are equal to men in all things, including physique, strength, and logic. And this is the subterfuge they will use to blur the lines between masculinity and femininity, further ruining women for men, and men for women.
So do yourself and all men across the world a favor. Not only REFUSE to see the movie, but spread the word to as many men as possible. Not all of them have the keen eye we do here at ROK. And most will be taken in by fire tornadoes and explosions. Because if they sheepishly attend and Fury Road is a blockbuster, then you, me, and all the other men (and real women) in the world will never be able to see a real action movie ever again that doesn't contain some damn political lecture or moray about feminism, SJW-ing, and socialism.
That and you can expect Hollywood to further condition young women to be like "Imperator Furiosa" and not Sophia Loren. In the meantime, if you want to watch a real action flick I recommend watching "Kelly's Heroes" instead.
Here we go.
I think that Aussies will take exception to Mad Max being appropiated as American culture in that article.
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 11:39:55 AM
Charlize Theron kept showing up a lot in the trailers, while Tom Hardy (Mad Max) seemed to have cameo appearances. Charlize Theron sure talked a lot during the trailers, while I don't think I've heard one line from Tom Hardy. And finally, Charlize Theron's character barked orders to Mad Max.
I am surprised a guy like this wants to see more Hardy and less Theron on the screen.
I was barely aware that the movie had actual characters after watching the first trailers.
I think these guys disagree that the ACLU has anything to combat at all:
QuoteHollywood is a garbage propoganda machine which spews out this feminist drivel filth into the minds of today's young audience. Even though science has told us and proven, that men are physically stronger than women, it is nonetheless discarded by the forces driving this feminist nonsense.
There is a sick agenda at play here, and it only continues to get worse over time. First this, and now the upcoming "Terminator Genisys" which shows Sarah Connor in a more heroic and superior position to that of Kyle Reese, really makes me wonder how much further down the toilet society is going to go down, in it's ridiculous attempts to try and reverse the traditional gender and biological roles.
Disparaging Sarah Connor? Those guys must have skipped T2.
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Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 11:39:55 AM
That and you can expect Hollywood to further condition young women to be like "Imperator Furiosa" and not Sophia Loren. In the meantime, if you want to watch a real action flick I recommend watching "Kelly's Heroes" instead.
Should be Imperatrix Furiosa, unless the author took Latin classes with merithyn. :smarty: :P
cf. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi ;)
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 13, 2015, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 11:39:55 AM
Charlize Theron kept showing up a lot in the trailers, while Tom Hardy (Mad Max) seemed to have cameo appearances. Charlize Theron sure talked a lot during the trailers, while I don't think I've heard one line from Tom Hardy. And finally, Charlize Theron's character barked orders to Mad Max.
I am surprised a guy like this wants to see more Hardy and less Theron on the screen.
After seeing a picture of the cast I'd be in favour of giving the female characters a spin off movie just for themselves.
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But the guys of the article don't have to be afraid. They'll be able to feast their eyes on former wrestler Nathan Jones playing a character called Prince Rictus Erectus (the guy that created Mad Max has a real knack for character naming).
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Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 13, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
Should be Imperatrix Furiosa, unless the author took Latin classes with merithyn. :smarty: :P
cf. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi ;)
Reviews I've seen list it as Imperator. I'm assuming a post apocalyptic wasteland doesn't worry about proper Latin.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 13, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 11:39:55 AM
That and you can expect Hollywood to further condition young women to be like "Imperator Furiosa" and not Sophia Loren. In the meantime, if you want to watch a real action flick I recommend watching "Kelly's Heroes" instead.
Should be Imperatrix Furiosa, unless the author took Latin classes with merithyn. :smarty: :P
cf. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi ;)
:huh:
I copied and pasted, didn't write. Not sure of the reason for the dig.
I don't think having quotas is the way forward. And if it is (which it is not), then it is not obvious to me that the male/female distinction is the most relevant.
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 12:19:02 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 13, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 11:39:55 AM
That and you can expect Hollywood to further condition young women to be like "Imperator Furiosa" and not Sophia Loren. In the meantime, if you want to watch a real action flick I recommend watching "Kelly's Heroes" instead.
Should be Imperatrix Furiosa, unless the author took Latin classes with merithyn. :smarty: :P
cf. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi ;)
:huh:
I copied and pasted, didn't write. Not sure of the reason for the dig.
Earlier Latin mistakes.
You keep track of people's Latin mistakes?
Quote from: garbon on May 13, 2015, 12:29:12 PM
You keep track of people's Latin mistakes?
Everyone needs a hobby. ;)
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 13, 2015, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 12:19:02 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 13, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 11:39:55 AM
That and you can expect Hollywood to further condition young women to be like "Imperator Furiosa" and not Sophia Loren. In the meantime, if you want to watch a real action flick I recommend watching "Kelly's Heroes" instead.
Should be Imperatrix Furiosa, unless the author took Latin classes with merithyn. :smarty: :P
cf. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi ;)
:huh:
I copied and pasted, didn't write. Not sure of the reason for the dig.
Earlier Latin mistakes.
She was on vacation. :mad:
Quote from: Malthus on May 13, 2015, 12:30:23 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 13, 2015, 12:29:12 PM
You keep track of people's Latin mistakes?
Everyone needs a hobby. ;)
It's like knowing and appreciating what champagne is, a real, time-consuming hobby.
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 11:39:55 AM
Here you go, guys. Men up in arms about the new Mad Max movie.
Thanks for making me die a little bit inside.
But frankly I see these guys at various sports and games forums I go to. So loathsome.
I like how his example, the Order 1886 showing that you can never believe in Santa Clause, was somehow connected to his issues with the movie.
Quote from: The Brain on May 13, 2015, 12:32:01 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 13, 2015, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 12:19:02 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 13, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 11:39:55 AM
That and you can expect Hollywood to further condition young women to be like "Imperator Furiosa" and not Sophia Loren. In the meantime, if you want to watch a real action flick I recommend watching "Kelly's Heroes" instead.
Should be Imperatrix Furiosa, unless the author took Latin classes with merithyn. :smarty: :P
cf. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi ;)
:huh:
I copied and pasted, didn't write. Not sure of the reason for the dig.
Earlier Latin mistakes.
She was on vacation. :mad:
I didn't know merithyn had so many vacations. They can be put to good use then. AD AVGUSTA PER ANGVSTA :)
Does Meri have a history of Latin mistakes?
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 12:19:02 PM
I copied and pasted, didn't write. Not sure of the reason for the dig.
Probably due to sexism in Languish that the ACLU should be asking the US government to combat. :(
Quote from: Caliga on May 13, 2015, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 12:19:02 PM
I copied and pasted, didn't write. Not sure of the reason for the dig.
Probably due to sexism in Languish that the ACLU should be asking the US government to combat. :(
0 of our top 10 posters are women. What does that say about Languish? :weep:
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 11:48:13 AM
I was barely aware that the movie had actual characters after watching the first trailers.
Heh. Lots of heat about the characters of a movie that, apparently, consists of explosions. :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on May 13, 2015, 12:44:02 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 11:48:13 AM
I was barely aware that the movie had actual characters after watching the first trailers.
Heh. Lots of heat about the characters of a movie that, apparently, consists of explosions. :lol:
Explosions and car chases. It seemed that the only real people on it were glorified stuntmen.
Quote from: Valmy on May 13, 2015, 12:43:52 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 13, 2015, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 12:19:02 PM
I copied and pasted, didn't write. Not sure of the reason for the dig.
Probably due to sexism in Languish that the ACLU should be asking the US government to combat. :(
0 of our top 10 posters are women. What does that say about Languish? :weep:
Must correct that, stat.
May I suggest: merging Languish with a "mommy board"? :)
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 13, 2015, 12:44:02 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 11:48:13 AM
I was barely aware that the movie had actual characters after watching the first trailers.
Heh. Lots of heat about the characters of a movie that, apparently, consists of explosions. :lol:
Explosions and car chases. It seemed that the only real people on it were glorified stuntmen.
Stunt
persons, please. ;)
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 13, 2015, 12:40:27 PM
I didn't know merithyn had so many vacations. They can be put to good use then. AD AVGUSTA PER ANGVSTA :)
I didn't know merithyn had so many Latin mistakes that it was worth keeping track of. :unsure: Especially since I've never claimed to know Latin.
Quote from: Malthus on May 13, 2015, 12:46:18 PM
Must correct that, stat.
May I suggest: merging Languish with a "mommy board"? :)
I wouldn't want to blind them with the cuteness of our kids Malthus.
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 12:47:10 PM
I didn't know merithyn had so many Latin mistakes that it was worth keeping track of. :unsure: Especially since I've never claimed to know Latin.
Romanes eunt domus
Quote from: Valmy on May 13, 2015, 12:47:13 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 13, 2015, 12:46:18 PM
Must correct that, stat.
May I suggest: merging Languish with a "mommy board"? :)
I wouldn't want to blind them with the cuteness of our kids Malthus.
That is but one of the many ways the suggestion could go badly. :hmm:
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 13, 2015, 12:44:02 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 11:48:13 AM
I was barely aware that the movie had actual characters after watching the first trailers.
Heh. Lots of heat about the characters of a movie that, apparently, consists of explosions. :lol:
Explosions and car chases. It seemed that the only real people on it were glorified stuntmen.
To be fair, even the Director and Writer said that the movie is essentially one long car chase. It's exactly what the first one was, IIRC.
When the shaky cam is flashing random images on the screen I demand those images not be feminist propaganda.
Quote from: Malthus on May 13, 2015, 12:46:55 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 13, 2015, 12:44:02 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 11:48:13 AM
I was barely aware that the movie had actual characters after watching the first trailers.
Heh. Lots of heat about the characters of a movie that, apparently, consists of explosions. :lol:
Explosions and car chases. It seemed that the only real people on it were glorified stuntmen.
Stuntpersons, please. ;)
:Embarrass:
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 12:48:55 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 13, 2015, 12:44:02 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 11:48:13 AM
I was barely aware that the movie had actual characters after watching the first trailers.
Heh. Lots of heat about the characters of a movie that, apparently, consists of explosions. :lol:
Explosions and car chases. It seemed that the only real people on it were glorified stuntmen.
To be fair, even the Director and Writer said that the movie is essentially one long car chase. It's exactly what the first one was, IIRC.
Yeah, but in the twenty seconds of the movie not composed of explosions and car-chases, it's gonna be pure Feminist propaganda, right? :D
Quote from: Malthus on May 13, 2015, 12:54:31 PM
Yeah, but in the twenty seconds of the movie not composed of explosions and car-chases, it's gonna be pure Feminist propaganda, right? :D
Basically it is just a preview of what the world will look like when the Feminists take over.
Quote from: Valmy on May 13, 2015, 12:55:53 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 13, 2015, 12:54:31 PM
Yeah, but in the twenty seconds of the movie not composed of explosions and car-chases, it's gonna be pure Feminist propaganda, right? :D
Basically it is just a preview of what the world will look like when the Feminists take over.
Like Theron? Where is the down side?
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 12:48:55 PM
To be fair, even the Director and Writer said that the movie is essentially one long car chase. It's exactly what the first one was, IIRC.
...and the second. :)
The third one also had Tina Turner, a retarded dude, and a bunch of creepy kids, so it represented a kind of evolution I guess. :hmm:
Quote from: Valmy on May 13, 2015, 12:55:53 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 13, 2015, 12:54:31 PM
Yeah, but in the twenty seconds of the movie not composed of explosions and car-chases, it's gonna be pure Feminist propaganda, right? :D
Basically it is just a preview of what the world will look like when the Feminists take over.
The rest of the female cast seems to be formed by fashion models turned actresses. Where do I have to sign to be part of that bright new world?
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 01:00:44 PM
The rest of the female cast seems to be formed by fashion models turned actresses. Where do I have to sign to be part of that bright new world?
Dude this movie is going to influence young women to look like them instead of Sophia Loren. Have you seen her recently?
Quote from: Valmy on May 13, 2015, 12:55:53 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 13, 2015, 12:54:31 PM
Yeah, but in the twenty seconds of the movie not composed of explosions and car-chases, it's gonna be pure Feminist propaganda, right? :D
Basically it is just a preview of what the world will look like when the Feminists take over.
GO FEMINISTS!!! :yeah: :cheers: :yeah:
Quote from: Valmy on May 13, 2015, 01:03:15 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 01:00:44 PM
The rest of the female cast seems to be formed by fashion models turned actresses. Where do I have to sign to be part of that bright new world?
Dude this movie is going to influence young women to look like them instead of Sophia Loren. Have you seen her recently?
She's pretty hot for an 80 year old, I guess. :unsure:
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 13, 2015, 12:56:57 PM
Like Theron? Where is the down side?
Our culture is being destroyed by Trojan horses. And we will need all those Trojans once the Feminists turn all women into Theron.
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 01:04:21 PM
She's pretty hot for an 80 year old, I guess. :unsure:
Yeah I guess you are right. Really a win-win.
Quote from: Valmy on May 13, 2015, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 13, 2015, 12:56:57 PM
Like Theron? Where is the down side?
Our culture is being destroyed by Trojan horses. And we will need all those Trojans once the Feminists turn all women into Theron.
:D
Two of the other actresses of the film are the daughter of Lenny Kravitz and the grand-daughter of Elvis. :lol: :elvis:
You guys are losing sight of the problem here! Quit looking at all those boobies and start gnashing your teeth that you're not seeing more glistening, muscular male chests! Your place in the world order demands it! :contract:
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 01:11:45 PM
You guys are losing sight of the problem here! Quit looking at all those boobies and start gnashing your teeth that you're not seeing more glistening, muscular male chests! Your place in the world order demands it! :contract:
No need: I have my copy of
300 here for just such an emergency. :)
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 01:11:45 PM
You guys are losing sight of the problem here! Quit looking at all those boobies and start gnashing your teeth that you're not seeing more glistening, muscular male chests! Your place in the world order demands it! :contract:
Been there, done already
http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/the-ruthless-guide-to-80s-action/ (http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/the-ruthless-guide-to-80s-action/)
QuoteThe Ruthless Guide to 80s Action
Big sweaty men! Big noisy guns! Dozens of people getting beaten and slaughtered–per scene! Entire cities razed to the ground! Liberal wimps beware as simple handguns become judge, jury and executioner!
And the only repercussion is that the Stupid Chief takes your badge and gun for the weekend...
Get the book.
It is guaranteed to make you
a goddamn sexual
tyrannosaurus.
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 01:11:45 PM
You guys are losing sight of the problem here! Quit looking at all those boobies and start gnashing your teeth that you're not seeing more glistening, muscular male chests! Your place in the world order demands it! :contract:
The worst part is they make us think we are going to see glistening macho man chests and trick us into showing up to see the movie and it is nothing but boobies.
I think it's pretty well known that girls are bad at Latin. You guys stop giving Meri shit about it FFS.
Quote from: Valmy on May 13, 2015, 01:17:03 PM
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 01:11:45 PM
You guys are losing sight of the problem here! Quit looking at all those boobies and start gnashing your teeth that you're not seeing more glistening, muscular male chests! Your place in the world order demands it! :contract:
The worst part is they make us think we are going to see glistening macho man chests and trick us into showing up to see the movie and it is nothing but boobies.
More cause to call in the ACLU? :unsure:
Quote from: derspiess on May 13, 2015, 01:22:49 PM
I think it's pretty well known that girls are bad at Latin. You guys stop giving Meri shit about it FFS.
Et tu, Brute? :weep:
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 01:11:45 PM
You guys are losing sight of the problem here! Quit looking at all those boobies and start gnashing your teeth that you're not seeing more glistening, muscular male chests! Your place in the world order demands it! :contract:
:lol:
Quote from: derspiess on May 13, 2015, 01:22:49 PM
I think it's pretty well known that girls are bad at Latin. You guys stop giving Meri shit about it FFS.
Livia was always mis-conjugating the Subjunctive. It is what really killed Augustus.
Quote from: garbon on May 13, 2015, 09:37:41 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 13, 2015, 09:06:19 AM
Speaking of which, does the last GoT episode's conversation between Sansa and Myranda pass the Bechdel test?
Edit: and also, could someone explain to me that in order for a scene to pass the Bechdel test, the characters must not talk about men during the entire scene or that they may talk about various topics, one of these at least must be not men-related.
I think the test is based on the whole film - so obviously two female characters can talk about a man, but it can't be that all their interactions involve talking about them. Sex and the City would basically be a fail in every minute...:D
No, I realise that. But is the scene "tainted" if it involves a conversation about a man even if they also talk about different things in that scene? :P
Does it count if they are talking about a subject involving men? Like if they are comparing the economic policies of Frederick the Great with Louis XIV? Platonism vs. Aristotelianism?
Quote from: Valmy on May 13, 2015, 01:38:49 PM
Does it count if they are talking about a subject involving men? Like if they are comparing the economic policies of Emperor Frederick the Great with Louis XIV? Platonism vs. Aristotelianism?
Sexist. They should be talking about Hypatia vs. Sapho to qualify.
Quote from: Martinus on May 13, 2015, 01:40:22 PM
Sexist. They should be talking about Hypatia vs. Sapho to qualify.
That's what I thought. Thanks for clarifying.
Oops I called Frederick an Emperor. Maria Theresa is going to haunt me now.
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 11:45:26 AM
I think that Aussies will take exception to Mad Max being appropiated as American culture in that article.
Yeah, that kinda ruined the whole bogus argument; if you are going to RAEG you can't say things so clearly full of shit.
Quote from: Valmy on May 13, 2015, 01:42:56 PM
Quote from: Martinus on May 13, 2015, 01:40:22 PM
Sexist. They should be talking about Hypatia vs. Sapho to qualify.
That's what I thought. Thanks for clarifying.
Oops I called Frederick an Emperor. Maria Theresa is going to haunt me now.
Congratulations, that's called "travailler pour le roi de Prusse" in French. Literally. Working without getting any benefit, or getting a worse deal.
Quote. Voltaire, devant ce conflit (la guerre de succession d'Autriche) qui lui semble vain et contraire aux intérêts français, exprime son énervement par une expression devenue proverbiale : « travailler pour le roi de Prusse » ; c'est-à-dire « œuvrer sans en retirer le moindre bénéfice » ou encore « travailler contre soi-même, contre ses propres intérêts ».
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerre_de_Succession_d%27Autriche (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerre_de_Succession_d%27Autriche)
Ugh. Since last time I checked, quotas don't pass constitutional muster, what's left is incentivizing hiring female directors/disincentivizing hiring male directors. To hit an entire industry, that's going to take a shit-ton of money that we don't have to spend.
I believe that raising the issue is a good thing in itself; it doesn't need to end up in quotas to exact change from the industry.
Quote from: grumbler on May 13, 2015, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 11:45:26 AM
I think that Aussies will take exception to Mad Max being appropiated as American culture in that article.
Yeah, that kinda ruined the whole bogus argument; if you are going to RAEG you can't say things so clearly full of shit.
That and keeping to blame Hollywood left and right when they're talking about a movie directed and written by an Australian, produced by Australian companies, that stars a Brit and a South African in the main roles.
I mean, seriously, Mad Max is the most Australian thing there is in cinema, besides Crocodile Dundee.
Bear in mind this guy thought the 'Order 1886' not being up to his standards meant Mad Max was going to fail. Seeing things in the proper context is not his thing.
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 01:54:19 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 13, 2015, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 11:45:26 AM
I think that Aussies will take exception to Mad Max being appropiated as American culture in that article.
Yeah, that kinda ruined the whole bogus argument; if you are going to RAEG you can't say things so clearly full of shit.
That and keeping to blame Hollywood left and right when they're talking about a movie directed and written by an Australian, produced by Australian companies, that stars a Brit and a South African in the main roles.
I mean, seriously, Mad Max is the most Australian thing there is in cinema, besides Crocodile Dundee.
Yep, that's why the first had to dubbed in American English for the US market. Dub track can still be found on current video releases.
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 01:54:19 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 13, 2015, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 11:45:26 AM
I think that Aussies will take exception to Mad Max being appropiated as American culture in that article.
Yeah, that kinda ruined the whole bogus argument; if you are going to RAEG you can't say things so clearly full of shit.
That and keeping to blame Hollywood left and right when they're talking about a movie directed and written by an Australian, produced by Australian companies, that stars a Brit and a South African in the main roles.
I mean, seriously, Mad Max is the most Australian thing there is in cinema, besides Crocodile Dundee.
Yahoo Serious movies.
Quote from: celedhring on May 13, 2015, 02:01:22 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 01:54:19 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 13, 2015, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 11:45:26 AM
I think that Aussies will take exception to Mad Max being appropiated as American culture in that article.
Yeah, that kinda ruined the whole bogus argument; if you are going to RAEG you can't say things so clearly full of shit.
That and keeping to blame Hollywood left and right when they're talking about a movie directed and written by an Australian, produced by Australian companies, that stars a Brit and a South African in the main roles.
I mean, seriously, Mad Max is the most Australian thing there is in cinema, besides Crocodile Dundee.
Yahoo Serious movies.
What about Baz Luhrman? Or Babe? :hmm:
Babe is Australian??
Did they redub the animals for the American market?
I always thought it was an American film set in Imaginary Quaint Rural Country.
When I was a kid, this Australian film creeped me out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Wave
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 13, 2015, 02:10:46 PM
Babe is Australian??
Did they redub the animals for the American market?
I always thought it was an American film set in Imaginary Quaint Rural Country.
Australian film (shot in Australia) based on a British children novel.
Ugh. Return of Kings is the male equivalent of Jezebel.
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 12:47:10 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 13, 2015, 12:40:27 PM
I didn't know merithyn had so many vacations. They can be put to good use then. AD AVGUSTA PER ANGVSTA :)
I didn't know merithyn had so many Latin mistakes that it was worth keeping track of. :unsure: Especially since I've never claimed to know Latin.
Not worth
stricto sensu but funny, given the specific word and the context.
You didn't know indeed, yet you invented a latin plural ;) Mistake spread though, so it's no longer your privilege (checked!). :( Prima inter pares, if you will. :) :hug:
Quote from: Syt on May 13, 2015, 02:17:16 PM
When I was a kid, this Australian film creeped me out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Wave
One of Peter Weir's most famous Australian movies along with Picnic at Hanging Rock and Gallipoli (Mel Gibson again!). Special mention goes to The Cars that ate Paris.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cars_That_Ate_Paris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cars_That_Ate_Paris).
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2015, 01:23:19 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 13, 2015, 01:22:49 PM
I think it's pretty well known that girls are bad at Latin. You guys stop giving Meri shit about it FFS.
Et tu, Brute? :weep:
Hey, I was standing up for you-- despite the fact that you're a Cubs fan :hug:
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 13, 2015, 01:49:12 PM
Congratulations, that's called "travailler pour le roi de Prusse" in French. Literally. Working without getting any benefit, or getting a worse deal.
I've used that one (in English) around the workplace a few times. Finally a couple weeks ago someone recognized it.
Wait Meri is a Cub's fan? Why would you do that to yourself? You are from Iowa you could have made better choices.
Disgusting.
Quote from: Syt on May 13, 2015, 02:17:16 PM
When I was a kid, this Australian film creeped me out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Wave
I use that movie in my Culture in Conflict class. It's great (and, as you note, creepy).
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 02:21:33 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 13, 2015, 02:10:46 PM
Babe is Australian??
Did they redub the animals for the American market?
I always thought it was an American film set in Imaginary Quaint Rural Country.
Australian film (shot in Australia) based on a British children novel.
Co-written and produced by Dr. George Miller, to boot.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 13, 2015, 08:17:26 AM
I find this a mind blowing stat.
QuoteIn 2012, less than 29% of speaking roles in movies were portrayed by women. That's down from just under 33% in 2010.
Makes more sense when you consider how many movies are about cops, criminals, and soldiers.
Anyway, I don't think this is because Hollywood's being sexist on purpose. They're just giving the people what they want. Society is sexist.
Another thing that ACLU should probably look into.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/05/grim-racist-methods-of-one-brooklyn-landlord.html
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 02:06:04 PM
Quote from: celedhring on May 13, 2015, 02:01:22 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 01:54:19 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 13, 2015, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 13, 2015, 11:45:26 AM
I think that Aussies will take exception to Mad Max being appropiated as American culture in that article.
Yeah, that kinda ruined the whole bogus argument; if you are going to RAEG you can't say things so clearly full of shit.
That and keeping to blame Hollywood left and right when they're talking about a movie directed and written by an Australian, produced by Australian companies, that stars a Brit and a South African in the main roles.
I mean, seriously, Mad Max is the most Australian thing there is in cinema, besides Crocodile Dundee.
Yahoo Serious movies.
What about Baz Luhrman? Or Babe? :hmm:
I liked Cheech Marin's "The Shrimp on the Barbie".
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 13, 2015, 07:32:25 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 13, 2015, 08:17:26 AM
I find this a mind blowing stat.
QuoteIn 2012, less than 29% of speaking roles in movies were portrayed by women. That's down from just under 33% in 2010.
Makes more sense when you consider how many movies are about cops, criminals, and soldiers.
Anyway, I don't think this is because Hollywood's being sexist on purpose. They're just giving the people what they want. Society is sexist.
:yes:
While society affects media, society is never affected media.
Tom Hardy does disappear from the trailers, but it seems to me he wasn't replaced with women, but rather fire, explosions, racing cars and disfigured psychopaths.
As to the main point, I couldn't care less about the empowerment and portrayal of women in film. I have problems of my own.
Quote from: garbon on May 14, 2015, 01:41:50 AM
:yes:
While society affects media, society is never affected media.
Well when it is pandering media like Hollywood that tries to make films bland enough to be popular in as many countries as possible one shouldn't be too surprised they are a lagging, rather than a leading, indicator.