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Languish Trainers:
Jaron - ichythus
bogh - bogh
Tamas - Dansky
Hansmeister - ??
Syt - Syt1976
katmai - ??
Doc Doom7 - Doc Doom7
The Brain - ??
sbr - sbr32



http://bloodbowl.nexway.com/index2.html?Langue=en_GB&REF=671320

QuoteTwo completely different game modes:

    * Play the authentic turn-based Blood Bowl experience thanks to this faithful adaptation of Games Workshop's famous board game.
    * Live the game in Real Time and unleash Blood Bowl's wrenching frenzy for spectacular and intense games!


A huge single player game

    * Take part in a complete Blood Bowl campaign and win trophies in 15 Championships and Cups. Each victory will allow your team to gain Star Player levels and new pieces of performance enhancing equipment.
    * Choose your own competition rules and create your own Championships


The Multiplayer competition at its best!

    * Create a team online and take part in Leagues and Tournaments over
      the Internet to climb to the top of the official rankings!
    * Create your own Private League with your own
      competition rules and organize your
      own Tournaments!

Minimum system requirements:

    * OS: WINDOWS XP SP2 / VISTA SP1
    * Processor: PENTIUM4 2.4GHZ / ATHLONXP 2400+
    * 3D Graphics card: 128 MB 100% DirectX® 9 and shaders 2.0 compatible (NVIDIA GEFORCE 6600 / ATI RADEON X700 or higher)*
    * RAM Memory: 1 GB (XP) / 2 GB (VISTA)
    * Hard disk space: 3 GB
    * Sound card: DirectX® 9 COMPATIBLE
    * Internet connection required for online game

* Intel, SIS and Via/S3G graphics controllers non-supported

I am: intrigued.

What about spending hours laboriously painting little metal and plastic figures? Is there such a mode?

I've said it before and I'll say it again; you guys should really check out fumbbl.com, which has a complete league management system and a java client to play games. It's absolutely brilliant and completely free. I always imagined a languish league would be infinite amounts of fun, but there was never any takers.

I didn't know it was ready :o

:yeah:

OMG it is only 9 days!!!

Quote from: The Brain on June 17, 2009, 03:11:33 PM
What about spending hours laboriously painting little metal and plastic figures? Is there such a mode?

Yes, you can paint your own team. :P

Quote from: bogh on June 17, 2009, 03:19:55 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again; you guys should really check out fumbbl.com, which has a complete league management system and a java client to play games. It's absolutely brilliant and completely free. I always imagined a languish league would be infinite amounts of fun, but there was never any takers.

I think I looked at it at one point and, not knowing the table top game rules, shrunk away dazed and confused.

:mmm:

Quote from: Syt on June 17, 2009, 10:58:06 PM
I think I looked at it at one point and, not knowing the table top game rules, shrunk away dazed and confused.

Lame. The rules are available on the net, I'd be available for a practice game or three (I haven't played in a long time) and it's all pretty simple really.

However, having actually looked at it at some point puts you above everyone else on this silly board...

Its supposed to be downloadable by now, will see when I get home.

Which race should I play? I am thinking about MPing this. I am leaning toward dwarfs or lizardmen.

Quote from: Tamas on June 25, 2009, 03:58:42 AM
Its supposed to be downloadable by now, will see when I get home.

Which race should I play? I am thinking about MPing this. I am leaning toward dwarfs or lizardmen.

?

Still says 12 hours when i went to page.

Oh and i'm going lizardmen if picking it up.

There are people on the official forum reporting to downloading it. I guess it wont get activated until Friday 1AM

I'm gonna wait for some player feedback, but hopefully will get it soon.

Never played before, but am thinking about Dwarf or Skaven.

Quote from: Tamas on June 25, 2009, 04:17:00 AM
There are people on the official forum reporting to downloading it. I guess it wont get activated until Friday 1AM

Someone in the EUOT thread said they were staggering the downloads, sending out 500 emails every hour.

Quote from: Tamas on June 25, 2009, 04:17:00 AM
There are people on the official forum reporting to downloading it. I guess it wont get activated until Friday 1AM

Ah yeah, the email codes to unlock are still 12hours away, but you can dl'd.

Good news: the Blood Blowers who have got their games have a very positive opinion on the AI.

Quote from: DisturbedPervert on June 25, 2009, 04:17:54 AM
I'm gonna wait for some player feedback, but hopefully will get it soon.

Never played before, but am thinking about Dwarf or Skaven.

Same here.  If it gets good reviews I'kk pick it up.

In tabletop I always tended to play elves, either high or dark.  Not out of any huge fondness for elves per se, but I like a fast-moving, quick-passing game.

Strangely enough, not only I am downloading it right now, I also seem to have received my keys for it.

Quote from: Tamas on June 25, 2009, 06:29:28 AM
Blood Blowers

I guess there really is a fetish for everyone.

How big is the download?

Quote from: DisturbedPervert on June 25, 2009, 12:30:42 PM
How big is the download?

3*500MB

played a bit of two campaign games in classic mode (should be 100% recreation of the current living rules) normal AI just tears me into tiny pieces because i only barely know what i am doing and my lizardmen suck.

got my first touchdown! :D

Funny events: some fans running in and kicking down some players. And another one KILLING a player of mine by hurling a big rock right to his face

Won my first proper game against humans (as lizardmen) 2-1, scored on the last turn.

Then went against a dwarf team and boy they were hardcore: when they got the ball, the carrier went back while his mates pwned my guys then sort of waltzed in.

It was not that hard to sneak through their ranks with my little lizards though, so it was 1-1 after halftime, but then could not stop the dwarf tank corps and lost 2-1

Quote from: Tamas on June 25, 2009, 02:05:12 PM
got my first touchdown! :D

Funny events: some fans running in and kicking down some players. And another one KILLING a player of mine by hurling a big rock right to his face

Sounds like Eagles fans. After all, they pelted Santa with snowballs.

Alright so far the game has lived up to what I was hoping for. I can only imagine the degree of strategic planning necessary against a veteran real opponent.  :o

The beginner tournament I was in had 3 other teams, the humans I defeated, the dwarfs who defeated me in a close game, and the skaven who destroyed me. I manage to reach playoffs and saved the game at half-time with the dwarfs. After one fumbling per side a little lizard of mine ALMOST got through 2 dwarfs near the right sideline but the second one managed to knock him down, from that until halftime it was a brawl for the ball basically.

Commentators are getting boring already but they have some good lines like on asking something like "I dont get why the lizardmen aren't winning more games. They have both fast players and strong players" Answer from the other: "yeah but the other way to look at it is that they have very weak players, and players who can't hold the ball". :D

A useful thread for new players with even more useful links to extensive race-specific articles:

http://www.cyanide-studio.com/forumBB/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=273 (http://www.cyanide-studio.com/forumBB/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=273)

I think we should organize a Languish mini-leauge so people can abandon it like they do all these Languish plans.

Quote from: Tamas on June 26, 2009, 06:26:19 AM
A useful thread for new players with even more useful links to extensive race-specific articles:

http://www.cyanide-studio.com/forumBB/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=273 (http://www.cyanide-studio.com/forumBB/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=273)

I think we should organize a Languish mini-leauge so people can abandon it like they do all these Languish plans.

That's the problem with Anarchy: it's full of anarchists.

Apart from the fact that you all suck, since you've all been ignoring my constant suggestions that we make a languish fumbbl-league, I am still drawn to this.

What races are available now? Are they adding more along the way?

What the hell?  Is this a game where you play American Football using Warhammer Armies?

Because that is one of the weirdest concepts I have ever heard.

Bought it today at the store. I hope there'll be a Languish league?

Quote from: Valmy on June 26, 2009, 09:26:52 AM
What the hell?  Is this a game where you play American Football using Warhammer Armies?

Because that is one of the weirdest concepts I have ever heard.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/712

It's a gem of a game, that Games Workshop unfortunately pushed to the back of the shelves because it didn't sell enough minis.

Quote from: Syt on June 26, 2009, 09:31:37 AM
Bought it today at the store. I hope there'll be a Languish league?

I hope so.   :menace:

I went to the store to get it today but it's not in yet, hopefully next week.

Quote from: Syt on June 26, 2009, 09:31:37 AM
Bought it today at the store. I hope there'll be a Languish league?

I am available for practice games on Sunday

Quote from: Valmy on June 26, 2009, 09:26:52 AM
What the hell?  Is this a game where you play American Football using Warhammer Armies?

Because that is one of the weirdest concepts I have ever heard.

That's exactly it.  Bloodbowl was the only GW mini game I ever played. :cool:

lol the severe injuries the dwarfs inflicted upon my lizards actually helped for the second half, prolly due to AI mistake: for the "attract center" lineup I had (I think) a blocker just right of the trench missing, which during 2 out of the 3 times the play started, attracted the attacking dwarfs to storm through the hole there in an -assumed- effort to clean my half by the time the ballcarrier gets there, but it left the carrier protected only by 2 other dwarfs which was not enough since my big lizards are a mach for the dwarfs. So I got my first touchdown after the carrier was stomped to the ground.
The second came after it was turn 15 out of 16, the dwarf defense around the carrier held but was crumbling and realizing there ain't enough time left, the AI went with trying to pass. Of course speaking of dwarfs, it was a horrible pass, a small lizard of mine picked the ball up and ran into TD.

Then we got an extra turn because a riot broke out due to two supporters going at eachother but of course the outcome did not change.

Now I will have to devise a tactic against the skavens in the final

Had quite an easy time against those skavens last night, now that I have got a grip on the game and the lizardmen.

The next tournament had the same 3 races as opponents altough different teams, and apart from this new skaven team, the others had lower point value teams than I did, so it really was easy until I faced the Skavens, both of us having a team of roughly 1200 in value (you start out with 1000 but gain experience).

Before that game I was starting to search for the option to raise the difficulty level during the campaign (haven't found it) but then the match restored my faith in the AI. This skaven team played a passing game but also they were able to bring down my big lizards if they ganged up on one.

Their first TD was particullary nice, a one turn combo play of 5 or 6 skaven players saw a long pass having a cleared flight route to the one standing near to my goal line who then walked in with the ball. Soon I was down 2-0, but managed to come back to 2-2 by not building my usual cautios attack but rather just giving the ball to my most skilled small lizard and running full speed toward the TD line, and trying to keep up with the big lizards.
But for the third try the biggies were checked so my runner was alone, lost the ball, and again the skavens had no problem getting behind my full-fledged assault and score their 3rd goal. I ALMOST made it to their goal line before the game ended.

Great game. :)


EDIT: Oh, and the weakest team I played against here, the dwarf, used their extra points (you get the difference between you and your opponent as points to buy stuff with) to get a star player who was riding this road roller-ish thing at start, but could not use it, because a random event at start triggered a massive charge by the fans and both of our teams had several players down including the steam roller one, who then got sent off for the illegal machinery usage. :D

<_<

Had my first game with the Ork team of the Grunting Guzzlers against the human team Holy Crusaders.

I received a 3-0 thrashing. During the first half I tried a passing game with goblins as receivers. Unfortunately they were pounded into the ground quickly. Second half was a bit better when I focused on blocking/thrashing the enemy and playing a rushing game. I kept the humans mostly under control  by teaming up on them and knocking them down. The Troll was useful as he managed to KO three players with the help of Black Orcs. I suffered most turnovers by getting too close to human players still standing (one of their receivers ahd slipped through, waiting for the pass which came on turn 16).

That my players were hit with stones every kick off didn't help, either. :(

Quote from: Syt on June 27, 2009, 04:14:47 AM
Had my first game with the Ork team of the Grunting Guzzlers against the human team Holy Crusaders.

I received a 3-0 thrashing. During the first half I tried a passing game with goblins as receivers. Unfortunately they were pounded into the ground quickly. Second half was a bit better when I focused on blocking/thrashing the enemy and playing a rushing game. I kept the humans mostly under control  by teaming up on them and knocking them down. The Troll was useful as he managed to KO three players with the help of Black Orcs. I suffered most turnovers by getting too close to human players still standing (one of their receivers ahd slipped through, waiting for the pass which came on turn 16).

That my players were hit with stones every kick off didn't help, either. :(

Judging by my short try of the elfs, a passing game is an order of magnitude harder to do properly than a rushing one. Thats one of the reasons I am happy to see the AI manage to pull it off every once in a while

Had a practice game against Jaron's dwarfs in the public leauge. Won 2-0 but it was due to his noobishness: did not care for the path his runner was taking so instead of taking the 100% clear left flank he opened, he walked into my trench :P That was at 1-0 near the end of the game so it pretty much ended it.

He did kill one of my Sauruses and I dont have money for a replacement.  :mad:

Only won 1-0, but I thought this performance was fine, anyways.  :menace:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg146.imageshack.us%2Fimg146%2F1770%2Fbloodbowl001.jpg&hash=de829f9f6f964ffd001ad17f5da15de4b285d26a)

 :lol: where is the opposition?


are you up for a game or two tomorrow afternoon/evening? Me you and Jaron should refine our game before taking on the world

Quote from: Tamas on June 27, 2009, 06:55:17 AM
:lol: where is the opposition?

In the boxes on the right.

Can't say yet, get some work done around the house.

Very tempting.

But I'm cheap.

I bought it.  I like.

My new team, the Sons of Thrace, are ready to roll. :P

After trouncing Jaron's team twice (dwards are really screwed against lizardmen: the lizards can hold their own in the figting against them altough they are inferior, and due to their massively superior mobility they can switch and create numerical superiority wherever needed. Caging seems to be the only solution), I played an online game against an 1300 pointish Orc team, whose coach seemed to have experience with the real game.
I won 2-1, but I admit it helped that after halftime there was a pitch invasion and so I could get the ball I kicked and score.

So the Velence Lakers are unbeaten after three games. :cool:

I'll probably buy it tomorrow...the reviews seem mixed, but most complaints I can live with (some inducements missing, no weather effects etc)...

I'll be looking for some online play right off the bat.

What races are available?

Quote from: bogh on June 28, 2009, 08:24:20 AM
What races are available?

Orcs, Humans, Dwarves, Lizards, Skaven, Chaos, Elves, Goblins

I am experimenting with a human team consisting:
5 linesman
4 blitzers
2 catchers

In my first online game the Vienna Carnivores (orks) got brutally raped by dwarves.  :cry:

The thrower/gobbo combination is potentially useful, though.

Big fan of the board game here, so I'm enjoying this version. The AI is better than I thought, but the game will really shine in MP.

Playing the campaign with orcs (Bastrag's Bäd Boyz), I once managed to comletely clear the field of every single opposing skaven.  :D
Dwarfes on the other hand give the greenskins some trouble. Unimpressive stats, but after a few games, the whole team has Guard and Mighty Blow.   <_<

Some things I do not like: No spectator function like in FUMBBL, no high and dark elves means there are few teams with a decent passing game, no undead  :mad:

Quote from: Malicious Intent on June 28, 2009, 11:54:33 AM
Some things I do not like: No spectator function like in FUMBBL, no high and dark elves means there are few teams with a decent passing game, no undead  :mad:

Give them some room for expansions. ;)

My nick for MP matches is "Dansky" BTW

I'm Syt1976. I signed up with one team for a German League, but my opponent wasn't on. :(

I played three games against folks who weren't new to Blood Bowl. They were friendly and gave me some pointers about strategy, team development etc.

I was playing against a Chaos team which was fun ... not only because my goblin ran with the ball into my own endzone.   :hide: Unfortunately, the opponent's network died/he was disconnected during the second half, so I was credited with an win. The way I was stomping his players I would have had to struggle to lose anyways, though. He said Chaos usually needed a few games to catch to other teams and before becoming impressive. He'd use those early games to wreak havoc to level up his players.

In another game I scored a touchdown at the last moment (was behind 2-0 so it didn't matter). Thrower picked up the ball after fumbling a turn earlier. Wanted to pass to goblin waiting near the endzone, but out of range by a hair's breadth. So I tried a pass to a linesman who miraculously caught the ball, then ran to the gobbo to hand over. Goblin runs a few steps - touchdown.  :cool:

Important thing to buy early on for the team: re-rolls. Plenty.

Quote from: Syt on June 28, 2009, 03:36:34 PM
Important thing to buy early on for the team: re-rolls. Plenty.

Yeah. Pretty much always get as many RRs as you can. You can save up for everything else, but RRs become twice as expensive after creation (if it's anything like the version I used to play).

Installing right now.

Quote from: bogh on June 28, 2009, 04:03:06 PM
Installing right now.

BTW: The four part dl is pretty retarded and I got both emails and download pages in French. Not really too clever.

The medium AI is definitely weak - my skaven kicked first a human team and then a dwarf team 3-0. The humies did kill one of my gutter runners, setting back team development somewhat, but one of my gutters got a double on his skill roll and now has four arms (helping in catching, intercepting and picking up the ball).

I am up for a game tomorrow evening, if anyones available. Look for "bogh".

Quote from: bogh on June 28, 2009, 06:18:03 PM
The medium AI is definitely weak - my skaven kicked first a human team and then a dwarf team 3-0.

Well, my orks are now winnign regularly against the AI on average. Last game the dwarves bought a steamroller mercenary and scored the 1.0 and I still won 2-1 without trying too hard.

yeah but Hard is better.

So perhaps we should set up the first Languish tourney with me, Jaron, Syt and bogh? Everyone plays the others once and points are gathered. Would be nice for practicing leauge features and team tactics.

Quote from: Tamas on June 29, 2009, 01:54:49 AM
So perhaps we should set up the first Languish tourney with me, Jaron, Syt and bogh? Everyone plays the others once and points are gathered. Would be nice for practicing leauge features and team tactics.

Make it so. I shall be playing something squishy - skaven, elves or goblins.

An interesting and apparently controversial topic for MP is fouling and stalling.

Now, the idea that stalling is evil is stupid: it is done in the NFL FFS, and you can only stall if if the opponent lets you / can't neutralize your defense.

As for fouling, I also don't get the bad feelings. Doing it on say turn 15 or 16 at a score where it can't make a difference, sure, its bad.
But otherwise the possible effor-profit ratio is just awesome, and the act is well within the spirit of the game's theme.
So yes, with Jaron getting skilled with his dwarfs, I will stomp out the guts of his runners.

What do you think?

I'll stomp the fuck out of your lizards every play of the game.

Quote from: Jaron on June 29, 2009, 03:29:20 AM
I'll stomp the fuck out of your lizards every play of the game.

I think I will concentrate on my humans play for now. 

Quote from: Tamas on June 29, 2009, 03:25:20 AM
An interesting and apparently controversial topic for MP is fouling and stalling.

Now, the idea that stalling is evil is stupid: it is done in the NFL FFS, and you can only stall if if the opponent lets you / can't neutralize your defense.

As for fouling, I also don't get the bad feelings. Doing it on say turn 15 or 16 at a score where it can't make a difference, sure, its bad.
But otherwise the possible effor-profit ratio is just awesome, and the act is well within the spirit of the game's theme.
So yes, with Jaron getting skilled with his dwarfs, I will stomp out the guts of his runners.

What do you think?

Heh. That debate has been raging on fumbbl.com for many, many years. Completely stupid - it's in the rulebook, it's in the game. I tend not to foul to much myself, but that's more a function of how and who I play, than any kind of ideological distaste for it.

BTW:

fumbbl.com has a pretty big collection of strategic advice, good starting rosters and tips on skill selection etc.

http://fumbbl.com/help:Strategy

Some of it is slightly outdated (LRB 4.0 rather than 5.0), but it's 95% applicable.

Quote from: Tamas on June 29, 2009, 03:25:20 AM
An interesting and apparently controversial topic for MP is fouling and stalling.

Now, the idea that stalling is evil is stupid: it is done in the NFL FFS, and you can only stall if if the opponent lets you / can't neutralize your defense.

A guy from a Vienna BB club I played against yesterday said that stalling is generally frowned upon, but that he does it in important games with close scores. He tries not to do it in non-competitive "just for fun" games.

I also try to avoid unnecessary risky situations near the end of the game. Sure, bashing that runner might be satisfying, but I've run too many "double skulls" to risk it without direct benefit.

I've created a four team league to try it out - look for Languish Invitational in the league search and then join with a team (the team has to leave the public league first).

Password is "trifora".

The league setup is rather counter-intuitive - I had to search for my own league and apply for it, then approve my own team.

Applied for Teh Leauge. :)

hey bogh after the network synchro failure at 1-1 i lost the picture. trying to make sure its not my end of the connection, then I relogin

Yeah, I had black screen, cursor and then a crash....  :(

Made a goblin team in the meantime that I wanna try out!

I just played against a gobbo team in the German league. My badly assembled ork team (no re-rolls) didn't really have much of a chance against the little pests. I cornered them a couple times nicely, but they just kept running away or blocking my runners with so many gobbos I couldn't get away from them with my clumsy orks. Lost 2-0, but had the satisfaction of hospitalizing two of his cheap vermin.

I created a human team (haven't tried them yet) and applied for the Languish league. Vienna Partisans, made up of the likes of Metternich, Franz Joseph and Mack.

The league is now ON! It's day one of the first season in the Languish Invitational.

The human side "Horrendous Hussars" and coach Tamas will face of with Jaron's Dwarven super team "The Sons of Thrace".

Elsewhere, Syts human team "Vienna Partisans" are sure to face total obliteration at the hands of "Ratham Rodents". Stay tuned for match reports and post-game commentary.

Syt: How about tomorrow night?

A show game marked the ceremonial opening of the tournament, as the "Manic Street Creatures" got demolished by "Velence Lakers" in a 3-1 beat down. Coach bogh was powerless as his goblins got squished by the lizardmen, while the two trolls of his team spent most of the match trying to fathom where they were.

The game was fastpaced with plenty of mistakes on either side - one goblin armed with a chainsaw started by permanently mangling a big-ass lizard, but left the field on a stretcher shortly afterwards, courtesy of a lizard looking for revenge. Down by two touch-downs, one of the trolls managed to stay focused long enough to hurl a goblin player and the ball downfield, bringing the Manics back in the game.


The final minutes of the game took place on the Manic endline, where the goblins desperately tried to fend of a saurus. Eventually, the saurus managed to pick up the ball, bash the sole remaining goblin and close the game with a last minute score.

you fuckers are sorely tempting me to purchase this. <_<

Quote from: katmai on June 29, 2009, 06:39:12 PM
you fuckers are sorely tempting me to purchase this. <_<

DO IT

Quote from: bogh on June 29, 2009, 04:00:03 PM
Syt: How about tomorrow night?

Fine by me. :)

The Horrendous Hussars defeated the Sons of Thrace 1-0 in what surely to be labelled as a "very tactical game"

The humans started the game, knowing full well how hard it is to grab the ball from the people of coach Jaron, they engaged in a daredevil attack of risky runs and short passes. The first rush having failed, a short brawl ensued for the ball on the humans' left flank in the dwarf half, but the dwarven team was still too streched out and when the ball went out of the sidelines, it got thrown back near one of the human throwers, who managed to grab it and pass it to a lineman waiting in the dwarven endzone.

The rest of the game was characterized by total ball control of the Sons of Thrace, but that tight control also resulted in a very slow attack pace. They ALMOST got to the human endzone, having finally eliminated the defenders enganging in delaying action, but the whistle for half-time ended their progress.

In the second half, no human player touched the ball, but the well-setup dwarven cage was fatally slowed down by what you could call a counter-cage: a web of human players keeping a minimal distance from the advancing dwarfs.

The only notable casuality from the human side was a gauged eyeball, so a lineman will miss the next game.

Downloading now, team race to be decided (with no experience with the tabletop game and just descriptions from the website leaning towards Chaos or elves)

Quote from: katmai on June 30, 2009, 02:38:21 AM
Downloading now, team race to be decided (with no experience with the tabletop game and just descriptions from the website leaning towards Chaos or elves)

chaos needs time to develop I heard, and elves are fragile like Martinus' nerves.

You mentioned lizardmen earlier and I think they are a good noob team, the roles are clear: big guys fight, small ones run with the ball, you don't mix that and you don't try to pass unless thats your one and only last chance to get something out of the game.

I'll also give you some advice. Don't take advice from Tamas.

He is the kind of adviser who will do you like this:

"You are very weak on the right. I would recommend you shift some of your defense over."

"Okay, thanks."

"TAMAS GOES LEFT! TOUCHDOWN!"

Quote from: Tamas on June 30, 2009, 02:42:01 AM

Quote from: katmai on June 30, 2009, 02:38:21 AM
Downloading now, team race to be decided (with no experience with the tabletop game and just descriptions from the website leaning towards Chaos or elves)

chaos needs time to develop I heard,

Yeah from the description on the website i'd model them off of Seedy's Ravens.

Quote. They rarely, if ever, worry about such minor considerations as picking up the ball and scoring touchdowns. Not while there are any able-bodied players left on the opposing team, anyway.

Quote from: Jaron on June 30, 2009, 02:43:13 AM
I'll also give you some advice. Don't take advice from Tamas.

He is the kind of adviser who will do you like this:

"You are very weak on the right. I would recommend you shift some of your defense over."

"Okay, thanks."

"TAMAS GOES LEFT! TOUCHDOWN!"

:lol:

Quote from: Jaron on June 30, 2009, 02:43:13 AM
I'll also give you some advice. Don't take advice from Tamas.

He is the kind of adviser who will do you like this:

"You are very weak on the right. I would recommend you shift some of your defense over."

"Okay, thanks."

"TAMAS GOES LEFT! TOUCHDOWN!"

:lol: It's a lie

Orks are also supposedly pretty noob-friendly (hard to kill, but not exactly nimble).

Skaven and Goblins are probably better for experienced players.

Goblins are much weaker than the other teams (the are the only 2. tier team in the game, but hopefully they'll add haflings in at some point). They are great fun, but don't expect to many wins with them.

Elves and skaven are very vulnerable and require a bit of experience IMO - you need to be very careful about when to put them in harms way and will often be playing with less than 11 players on the field in the second half.

I actually think dwarves are pretty difficult to play right too, as the slow speed makes setup very important and they have to keep pushing forward to make it to the endzone before the whistle blows.

Quote from: Syt on June 30, 2009, 12:51:49 AM
Fine by me. :)

Damn, I need to go help a friend out with his thesis (to be handed in wednesday). I'll see if I can be home by nine, but we'll probably have to reschedule - how's thursday for you?

Thursday's bad because it's our company summer fest in the evening. How about friday afternoon or tomorrow?

I'll give you a heads up later on whether I can make it home by nineish. Otherwise, friday afternoon is good. I am going out drinking tomorrow after my buddy (hopefully) hands in his thesis.

Tzeentch Ravens have been created...I really enjoy just knocking peoples heads in. :menace:

What's funny is that almost any forum you check has a thread about Blood Bowl and people being rather happy and enthusiastic about it.

And if you look at it it's rather simple. The basic rules and interface are easy to use and intuitive. Any n00b can start a match and beat folks up and get instant results and feedback to their actions with a good understanding of what went wrong/right at any point. However, underneath you have huge depths of strategy and gameplay, and a balance that has been achieved through 5 rules editions, so that the game falls into the easy to learn, hard to master category.

Hey syt, I won't be able to play tonight - friday afternon?

No problem. Will 4-ish be ok? :)

Quote from: Syt on June 30, 2009, 01:13:22 PM
No problem. Will 4-ish be ok? :)

Deal.

Hm, wanted to play an online game with my public orcs, but I got on the network briefly, then failed to connect.

I am planning to get the game in 10-14 days, maybe some of you could kick my ass around then?

Who me next game be against?

Quote from: Jaron on June 30, 2009, 05:26:16 PM
Who me next game be against?

From what you have said, you would enjou just paying with yourself.  :D

I can try tomorrow J-dawg. How does MP work? is it realtime or turn based or can you choose either?

Playing my first campaign with Chaos team beat Humans 2-1, then lost tough 1-0 match vs Dwarfs. :(

We do turn based, sir.

With me being unable to connect properly for online play yesterday I started a league with a chaos team. I lost first match 1-2, but I killed one human and sent two to the hospital.

I started a "grand slam" tournament (league plus cup) in SP with a new properly set up lizardmen team. Quite some swings in AI ability (hard difficulty)

First game against humans was awesome: my running against their passing. I believe I can position myself fairly efficiently (for a noob) but the AI's ability to plan a relatively complex one or two turn passing-and-TD-ing operation was very impressive. The game ended in 2-2

Then came a dwarf team which was somewhat understrength due to injuries but that did not warrant the awful performance. Or I am just that good against dwarves with lizards but I completely dominated them and only reason I only won 2-1 was that I just did not care at all for the second half.

Third game was against skaven and I barely avoided a two points loss, it ended 2-1 for them. The AI was very agressive with its running game but the only reason this victory was possible for them (I think) was that I NEVER succeeded to pick up the ball during the 2nd half. Just WTF.

Quote from: Tamas on July 01, 2009, 02:38:18 AM
I started a "grand slam" tournament (league plus cup) in SP

This is one of the more retarded things in this game - these options are only available in SP. Why can't I make a cup, a grand slam or an open league (where players can play games in any order) in MP?

The implementation of the actual game is good, but the online component is vastly inferior to fumbbl, where matches can be picked up after a lost connection, you can add or delete teams and team slots in a tournament while it is running, groups and leagues can be set up in a million different ways and you can see tons of statistics on every team and league available (everything from TD ratio pr. game for/against, rushing/passing yards, casualities etc.). Being able to see the full team rosters and all previous results etc. for a team that you are about to play against is something I sorely miss in this version.

On fumbbl every game has an available game report, where players can add comments and anyone can replay the game - and people can spectate the game while it is being played (great for finals and important league games).

bogh, I have to agree. I was a bit surprised when I went and could click other teams in my league; but I couldn't look at their roster. :(

Another stupid question - how do I challenge someone who is requesting a match in public chat? Do I really have to look them up in the players list? Is there no easier way?  :huh:

No, there isnt

Yeah - just like I couldn't join my own league without searching it up among all the other private leagues in existence, applying to it and then approve myself via the league management. Very silly.

I also miss the option to mark your teams as looking for a game or not looking for a game. Right now it lists all of your teams, which is stupid.

There is massive room for improvement - hopefully they'll do something about it.

Filters would be badly needed. There's long lists of managers "playing" which I'd be able to filter out.

According to P'dox there's also a bug in the league system - if the connection breaks up (which seems to happen more often than it should) the league kind of freezes.

My orcs had a run-in with a team of elves. :bleeding:

I outnumbered them most of the time, sometimes having four guys more on the pitch. Stupid wardancers kept running around and jumping over my orcs. Only managed to hospitalize one elf and get 4 KOs. Lost 3-0.  <_<

BTW:

Here is a site with strategies and tips.

http://bloodbowlplaybook.com/

I am beginning to think that we should maybe make a league ourselves, playing the games in the public league and just recording results by hand here. That would make open leagues (everybody plays everybody once or twice, but in whatever order is easy, so people can just play if someone else is online) possible and allow for grand slams, cups, play offs etc.

Quote from: bogh on July 02, 2009, 05:47:30 AM
BTW:

Here is a site with strategies and tips.

http://bloodbowlplaybook.com/

I am beginning to think that we should maybe make a league ourselves, playing the games in the public league and just recording results by hand here. That would make open leagues (everybody plays everybody once or twice, but in whatever order is easy, so people can just play if someone else is online) possible and allow for grand slams, cups, play offs etc.

A very good idea, especially so katmai and hopefully others could also participate or even jump in after a leauge started.

Hey Syt, did you get the game to work online again? Are we still on for 4 this afternoon (CET)?

I have a friend who is on a one year old mid-range laptop. Can he play the game and it won't look like crap?

Quote from: bogh on July 03, 2009, 03:33:44 AM
Hey Syt, did you get the game to work online again? Are we still on for 4 this afternoon (CET)?

Yeah, had a bit trouble connecting on wednesday, but eventually managed to play against a Spaniard a full game (hate elves). I'm still up for our match today.

Quote from: Syt on July 03, 2009, 07:05:12 AM

Quote from: bogh on July 03, 2009, 03:33:44 AM
Hey Syt, did you get the game to work online again? Are we still on for 4 this afternoon (CET)?

Yeah, had a bit trouble connecting on wednesday, but eventually managed to play against a Spaniard a full game (hate elves). I'm still up for our match today.

Cool.

And what a game it was. Both teams steered clear of the referee, neither one fouling a single time. The small ratpeople did show a keen delight in pushing the humans over the sidelines into stands, where two humans were mauled by screaming fans.

Despite several promising runs toward the endzone, the Vienna Partizans never managed to complete their drives, instead loosing possesion to the Rathham Rodents, who put three touchdowns on the board.

As I said, I think Syt did rather well, but a few mistakes and some unlucky dicerolls in critical situations was punished pretty hard. Gutter runner Deeij was the star of the affair, securing two touchdowns for his team (and getting him the block skill that will keep his extremely fragile body a little safer).

That concludes day one of our league - next matchup are Sons of Thrace (Jaron) vs. Vienna Partizans (Syt), while the Rodents (bogh) take on the Hussars (Tamas).

Do people want to change into playing the league open in the public league, keeping score here instead? People, I want opinions!

The Partisans just finished their match against the Rodents and were served some humble pie. The humans' attempts to break through with a cage were held up by the Skaven; the Vienna team had its best chances when exploiting holes in the defense - similar to the Skaven, who did explouit those successfully, though. A lot of the game was a slugfest in center field. Final Score: 3-0.

Blitzer Franz Ferdinand almost died during the match. The apothecary saved him, but due to a serious concussion he loses one point of armor. :(

I am fine either way. I am also kind of available bogh, for our game.

I gotta head out to pick up my GF and go to a birthday party in 20 minutes, so not right now. I'll probably be online tomorrow afternoon? Sunday is good as well.

Yeah we will do it sometime during the weekend.

It's a plan.

Anyone know what the update that came today does?

Quote from: The Brain on July 03, 2009, 04:19:44 AM
I have a friend who is on a one year old mid-range laptop. Can he play the game and it won't look like crap?

No clue. They keep pushing updates out that tell me I should lower my settings, but the game runs fine at the max settings for me. I'd imagine it would be OK, but maybe you should ask in the cyanide forum?

Got it, never played the tabletop, but having fun with it so far.  Made a Lizard team, and brutally damaged a Skaven team.  Now I'm getting stomped by a human team.  Still figuring out whats what  :P

Quote from: DocDoom7 on July 04, 2009, 12:15:11 AM
Got it, never played the tabletop, but having fun with it so far.  Made a Lizard team, and brutally damaged a Skaven team.  Now I'm getting stomped by a human team.  Still figuring out whats what  :P

Excellent! Maybe we should try doing a cup soon? I mean straight elimination so we can declare a winner faster than in a leauge?

Maybe my attention has been slipping against the AI but I highly recommend the competitions in SP against the campaign. On hard I have been running into some good opposition by the AI. Last game as humans, I only had two players left on the pitch against some dwarfs by the end, but this did took time for them since they barely managed to score a TD and win 1-0 on turn 16.

A cup with six players (which is according my count our current number) is a little silly - you can't make the schedule fair.

How about just making a league with six teams, everybody plays five games (one against every opponent).

3 points for wins, 1 for draws, goal difference as tiebreaker.

It will be longer running, but that's cool in my book. It's also open to new players joining, as they'd just add another game for everyone.

Tamas; I am online now, if you want our game to go down - we could even call it the first game of the improved league if you want?

DD7 and katmai - what are your nicks in the BB-game?

Quote from: bogh on July 04, 2009, 06:37:02 AM
A cup with six players (which is according my count our current number) is a little silly - you can't make the schedule fair.

How about just making a league with six teams, everybody plays five games (one against every opponent).

3 points for wins, 1 for draws, goal difference as tiebreaker.

It will be longer running, but that's cool in my book. It's also open to new players joining, as they'd just add another game for everyone.

Tamas; I am online now, if you want our game to go down - we could even call it the first game of the improved league if you want?

I agree. Sure, I will be looking for you online soon, will just remake my human team from scratch for the new leauge. Perhaps the leauge warrants its own thread? 

Kept my account name the same as this, so DocDoom7.  I look forward to being in last place  :lol:

Cool - DD7 you've been added and Tamas and I play the first game of the new tournament....

Gonna start a new thread on our new tournament, this one is getting clogged.

To move discussion here from the leauge thread: I am a bit unsure about humans myself as well but I like them.
The big question for me is how to level with them.

I've tried human teams now, and I think I may like them better than orks.

While I like the stability of orks, their slightly lower movement  and no dedicated catcher makes them focused on a running game - and I couldn't even break through a human elves player's defence so far (though doing fine against AI).

Humans give the flexibility to pull off a quick rush or pass to turn around the situation; and they pack somewhat decent punch against single opponents.

Bit undecided here.

My friend can report that it works OK on his laptop at moderate quality settings. :)

Quote from: The Brain on July 04, 2009, 02:56:22 PM
My friend can report that it works OK on his laptop at moderate quality settings. :)

Nice. Will you be buying this?

Quote from: Tamas on July 04, 2009, 03:00:50 PM

Quote from: The Brain on July 04, 2009, 02:56:22 PM
My friend can report that it works OK on his laptop at moderate quality settings. :)

Nice. Will you be buying this?

LOL hint: there is no "friend".

Quote from: The Brain on July 04, 2009, 03:06:00 PM

Quote from: Tamas on July 04, 2009, 03:00:50 PM

Quote from: The Brain on July 04, 2009, 02:56:22 PM
My friend can report that it works OK on his laptop at moderate quality settings. :)

Nice. Will you be buying this?

LOL hint: there is no "friend".

You really thought that elderly trick worked for a second? :rolleyes:

join our league, ogre-food

So, are they going to do a demo for this thingy?

Quote from: Ed Anger on July 04, 2009, 03:32:12 PM
So, are they going to do a demo for this thingy?

fahdiz!

Quote from: Jaron on July 04, 2009, 03:34:23 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on July 04, 2009, 03:32:12 PM
So, are they going to do a demo for this thingy?

fahdiz!

:D

Quote from: Tamas on July 04, 2009, 03:28:21 PM

Quote from: The Brain on July 04, 2009, 03:06:00 PM

Quote from: Tamas on July 04, 2009, 03:00:50 PM

Quote from: The Brain on July 04, 2009, 02:56:22 PM
My friend can report that it works OK on his laptop at moderate quality settings. :)

Nice. Will you be buying this?

LOL hint: there is no "friend".

You really thought that elderly trick worked for a second? :rolleyes:

join our league, ogre-food

Is this "smack"? I don't know if I have the balls to play against such badasses as yourselves.

The internet portion of the game goes real slow and disconnects me ... annoying.  Not sure how I find the languish league, it gave me a list of leagues.. but when i hit search nothing happened. 

Also, is there a way to get the benchwarmers into the game at points other than halftime?  Like if one of my poor lizards gets a fractured skull and taken out, can a benchwarmer come right in or must they wait? 

Quote from: DocDoom7 on July 04, 2009, 07:01:07 PM
The internet portion of the game goes real slow and disconnects me ... annoying.  Not sure how I find the languish league, it gave me a list of leagues.. but when i hit search nothing happened. 

Also, is there a way to get the benchwarmers into the game at points other than halftime?  Like if one of my poor lizards gets a fractured skull and taken out, can a benchwarmer come right in or must they wait?

Leauge: we have decided to just use the public leauge for games and record points here, look for the separate thread, you can announce the name of your team there as well.

Lag: bogh's first game with me was very laggy then he somehow managed to solve this, ask him

Subs: I think they can come in at any kick off, so after a TD as well

i won't have time till monday to try and beat some asses in mp play but count me in :P

All new coaches should check out the link I posted on page 2 (or thereabouts) There are some very good race-specific tips there.
My esteemed colleauge Coach Jaron can testify on that. His play drasticaly improved due to those.

Quote from: DocDoom7 on July 04, 2009, 07:01:07 PM
The internet portion of the game goes real slow and disconnects me ... annoying.  Not sure how I find the languish league, it gave me a list of leagues.. but when i hit search nothing happened. 

Also, is there a way to get the benchwarmers into the game at points other than halftime?  Like if one of my poor lizards gets a fractured skull and taken out, can a benchwarmer come right in or must they wait?

I had to put my computer in my routers DMZ - probably there is a less blunt way of solving it, but it worked for me.

Quote from: Syt on July 04, 2009, 01:34:10 PM
I've tried human teams now, and I think I may like them better than orks.

While I like the stability of orks, their slightly lower movement  and no dedicated catcher makes them focused on a running game - and I couldn't even break through a human elves player's defence so far (though doing fine against AI).

Humans give the flexibility to pull off a quick rush or pass to turn around the situation; and they pack somewhat decent punch against single opponents.

Bit undecided here.

I tend to play a quick running/passing game, not a slow lumbering cage game, so I do much better with teams that are actually suited for this. I suppose humans would be a good starting team, to let you find out what kind of game you prefer, then moving to one of the more specialized races.

I scored my first touchdown against a human player today, playing 1-1 against a dwarf team.

During first half I managed to beat him up pretty nicely, opening plenty of space for my goblin runner. Finish was lucky, because the gobbo got blitzed by a dwarf and the result was a both down from which he recovered next turn.

I then went on to stall the dwarves' advance for the rest of the half.

The second half started with the dwarves receiving a touchback, a linesmen of mine dieing and another badly injured (though won't miss a game), both in the first turn. Dwarf touchdown on turn 4. My next push was a bit of a mess. The cage around my goblin got broken and he dropped the ball. After that he failed to leave a dwarf's tackle zone. Fortunately a blitzer picked the ball up despite turnover. Took some slugging to get him out of the way and into open space, but by that time the half was pretty much over.

Not many SPPs (TD, 1 casualty, 1 pass) to go around.

Quote from: bogh on July 05, 2009, 06:56:52 AM
I tend to play a quick running/passing game, not a slow lumbering cage game, so I do much better with teams that are actually suited for this. I suppose humans would be a good starting team, to let you find out what kind of game you prefer, then moving to one of the more specialized races.

Well, I assume that any attempt to leave a tackle zone will inevitably fail. Which is why I don't think I'd do well with, say, Skaven or Elves. Humans are ok, Orcs seem to suit me better; and in the long run I might be going for Chaos.

I am testing out Chaos, I quite like them so far, but they have less initial edge than humans I think.

But for sure, I will be sticking with my Frenzied Footmen for the leauge. :)

Chaos starts out pretty weak, but can really grow into a powerhouse (actually, many of the high AV teams can become truly terrifying due to the low level of player turnover).

I just played a Chaos team for first time in MP, but my opponent quit on me. :(

I have to say, though, that he was doing plenty mistakes. Many blocks where he had no chance (i.e. I could pick the die), not backing up his tackles (i.e. surrounding a target before sending in the blitzer), not protecting his passer (who was surrounded by 5(!) beastmen next turn etc., doing risky things before the safe ones ... I even managed to push two of his players into the crowd.

Hey Syt,

Wanna play now?

Sure

In the meantime I got challenged to some hot, steaming goblin on goblin action. Won 1-0, but his chainsaw killed one of my trolls - subsequently my chainsaw killed one of his trolls...pretty funny game.

Let me know when you are up for a game.

Well, I saw you were "playing", so my main 1160 Orcs (Vienna Headcrushers) went against 1200 woodies.

I injured two, and almost killed a wardancer, but even with 11 vs. 9 and later 11 vs. 7, (of which 2 or 3 were knocked down) I was totally unable to score a TD, even though I cam within 4 squares of the opponent EZ.  :blush:

Having dinner now, maybe online afterwards.

Guess we kept missing each other.  :blush:

I just won my first game fair and square. The Vienna Headcrushers beat the Fist Fodder goblins. First half was 0-0, with his chainsaw keeping me from scoring.

Second half had a quick TD by the goblins because I focsed on taking out their ball&chain, ignoring the pogo stick a bit too much. With their special guys out I stomped the goblins into the ground and scored a TD. Kickoff after that was a touchback. The foremost goblin of the opponent was given the ball (facing only my own goblin) but was struck down trying to break through. An orc blitzer broke through for TD on turn 15+16.

One of my black orcs was knocked out for the game, anf a Linesman was injured. I injured 5 goblins.  :menace:

I also think that my Chaos team "Disciples of Cthulhu" with the catchy slogan "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh C'thulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!" may be cursed.

They first game was won by default, because the opponent, on the losing end, quit. The second game against a lizard team was also looking fine, but the opponent's connection died after half time.  <_<

Quote from: Syt on July 05, 2009, 02:45:47 PM
I also think that my Chaos team "Disciples of Cthulhu" with the catchy slogan "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh C'thulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!" may be cursed.

They first game was won by default, because the opponent, on the losing end, quit. The second game against a lizard team was also looking fine, but the opponent's connection died after half time.  <_<

You can't just fool around with the Great Old Ones and expect to get away with it.

If anyone wants to play a leauge game let me know in the next, app. 4 hours.

I may be up for a game tomorrow; just way too tired today.

WTB: a leauge game

Sorry tamas, I haven't been home, not to mention my computer much since last thur. It is just too nice to be indoors atm. Have to take advantage of the weather while I can :P

Came home at 7PM yesterday, ate something and went to sleep at 9 PM.

Can't say yet if rest of the week will be better.

Quote from: katmai on July 07, 2009, 02:39:27 PM
Sorry tamas, I haven't been home, not to mention my computer much since last thur. It is just too nice to be indoors atm. Have to take advantage of the weather while I can :P

That's my own thought - I'd love to play this game, but the middle of the all-to-brief northern summer is not the time to do it.

If everyone is still playing in September I'm in.

OTOH katmai and Beeb looooove the winters.
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I shall be available for games this evening - either tournament or a standard beat-down of Tamas.

I hope to be able to get a game done tonight. -_-

Quote from: Syt on July 09, 2009, 01:50:43 AM
I hope to be able to get a game done tonight. -_-

gotcha

It appears my hopes were ill founded. Yay month end accrual meetings.  <_<

Hours I spent playing on the computer this week or doing anything private: 0.

Minutes to go till I have my 40 working hours of the week full: -120.

Anyone have a list of Languish coach's names?

Quote from: sbr on July 10, 2009, 09:29:30 PM
Anyone have a list of Languish coach's names?

No there isn't.  I have put one together after reading through the thread though.  It is not complete, hopefully others can help out.

Jaron - ??
bogh - bogh
Tamas - Dansky
Hansmeister - ??
Syt - Syt1976
katmai - ??
Doc Doom7 - Doc Doom7
The Brain - ??
sbr - sbr32

Anyone else want to give their name?  Anyone want to move this to the first page...Syt? :hinthint:

My Chaos team played against two different teams of Skaven yesterday. I lost both matches (2-0 and 2-1). In the second match my opponent was playing for time, putting his ball carrier in front of my endzone and waiting. I used the time to bash up his team and send two to hospital.

The touchdown I scored was done by a Chaos Warrior breaking through. He was blitzed just in front of the endzone of the opponents. However, he managed (without re-rolls!) to get up, knock his attacker back, pick up the ball, and succeed the "go for it" roll twice.  :cool:

He also rolled double on level up, so now he can: dodge.

And here's a page for mods (AI, skins):
http://www.bloodbowldigital.com/

Quote from: Syt on July 11, 2009, 11:44:10 PM


The touchdown I scored was done by a Chaos Warrior breaking through. He was blitzed just in front of the endzone of the opponents. However, he managed (without re-rolls!) to get up, knock his attacker back, pick up the ball, and succeed the "go for it" roll twice.  :cool:

He also rolled double on level up, so now he can: dodge.

:cool:

Tried my first dwarf team against an orc team. It ended 0-0. In first half I carried the ball most of the time, but ended up two squares short. Second half saw the Orks suffer similarly. I kept knocking out orks, and they kept knocking out me. One trollyslayer almost died, but was saved by the apothecary. A blocker was later not so lucky. :(

I like about the dwarves that they're tough little bastards that can mount a good defense and knock the shit out of their opponents. Block/Thick Skull on (almost?) all players at start is a definite boon.

Played online with some buddies. Jesus Christ the online mode sucks. Buggy as hell and many features are just plain missing. No spectator mode? Wtf?

Playing games was fun though.

Matchmaking sucks atm, true. All the French and Spanish people confuse me.

Is anyone else still playing?

I am, sorta.

Last week was so busy, no chance to play, so hoping to get some games in this week.

I am still here, and looking for languish-leauge opponents however this weekdays only thursday is for sure.

I tried for half an hour yesterday to get a game going, but no one wanted to play dwarves, orcs or chaos, it seemed. When I finally found someone for hot Dwarf on Chaos action he gets disconnected on turn 9.

So basically I wasted an hour of my precious workday evening free time, half of which was spent staring blankly at a chat channel where half the discussion is in Spanish or French.

Anyone up for a game today - I'll be home and relaxing all day!

I finally got the game and am willing to play online. Am I too late to join the languish league?

Quote from: chipwich on July 19, 2009, 10:03:21 PM
I finally got the game and am willing to play online. Am I too late to join the languish league?

:lol: you could hardly be faster to join

I am up for a league if the other fell apart.

Quote from: sbr on July 20, 2009, 01:41:21 AM
I am up for a league if the other fell apart.

the current languish leauge (# of league games played so far: 2) is not handled by the game engine only here on the forum, we play games in the public league so you can join any time

As no one of you guys seemed to be online when I was and I thought this league was dead I used the team for public play, later deleted it because two of my players had died in their second match.

Quote from: Syt on July 20, 2009, 02:44:05 AM
As no one of you guys seemed to be online when I was and I thought this league was dead I used the team for public play, later deleted it because two of my players had died in their second match.

:bleeding: you will just have to restart then :P

Again sorry guys, but between work and the great weather we've been having this summer, last thing i am compelled to do is stay indoors and play computer games.

Quote from: katmai on July 20, 2009, 02:58:47 AM
Again sorry guys, but between work and the great weather we've been having this summer, last thing i am compelled to do is stay indoors and play computer games.

:o :blink:

Quote from: Ed Anger on July 20, 2009, 10:19:00 AM

Quote from: katmai on July 20, 2009, 02:58:47 AM
Again sorry guys, but between work and the great weather we've been having this summer, last thing i am compelled to do is stay indoors and play computer games.

:o :blink:

Yeah, it's pretty sad when some people pretend t have a "life".

If this league is still going, or restarts, in September-October I'll be all over it.   :cool:

Quote from: Barrister on July 20, 2009, 04:09:04 PM
If this league is still going, or restarts, in September-October I'll be all over it.   :cool:

Will you: eliminate crime before the leaves fall?

Games work best for me on weekends; weekday evenings are a bit tighter as I usually go to bed early and need to get other shit done, too.

Are people still planning on playing a league?  I never see updates anymore and my local store got it in today...

I mostly play the AI these days, even though I find it a bit on the easy side. I grew tired of hanging around the public match channels begging for a match (in which I would get my ass handed to me); other than that all my "friends" in the game are either offline when I'm up for a game (usually early evening CET) or playing.

Quote from: DisturbedPervert on July 27, 2009, 02:11:19 PM
Are people still planning on playing a league?  I never see updates anymore and my local store got it in today...

I am still hoping things will gear up when the two northern leauge members will stop gazing at the rare sight of green grass and sit down in front of their computers.

Quote from: Tamas on July 27, 2009, 02:44:00 PM

Quote from: DisturbedPervert on July 27, 2009, 02:11:19 PM
Are people still planning on playing a league?  I never see updates anymore and my local store got it in today...

I am still hoping things will gear up when the two northern leauge members will stop gazing at the rare sight of green grass and sit down in front of their computers.

It was shitty and rainy all this last week, but my dad was in town so busy with him, he leaves tomorrow, so will have about two weeks to play some then i'll be away from pc till 2nd week of sep.

Quote from: Tamas on July 27, 2009, 02:44:00 PM

Quote from: DisturbedPervert on July 27, 2009, 02:11:19 PM
Are people still planning on playing a league?  I never see updates anymore and my local store got it in today...

I am still hoping things will gear up when the two northern leauge members will stop gazing at the rare sight of green grass and sit down in front of their computers.

It won't be long.  :(

This just in:
http://www.bloodbowl-game.com/index.php?rub=news-info&id=114

QuoteThe Dark Elves: soon available, for Free!

While the PC game already offers 8 races from Blood Bowl world (from a selection of more than twenty races), players will be pleased to know that the Dark Elves will be available as a free download this November. The full game will also be available as a digital download, and in most stores in a special version of the game called the "Blood Bowl Dark Elves Edition". This edition will feature the entire Blood Bowl game with the addition of the famous Dark Elves.

The Dark Elves enter the Blood Bowl arena with their own Star Player, cheerleaders, new model designs and unique characterful animations.
These evil cousins of the Wood Elves hold their heads high and have only one goal: prove their supremacy to all! To celebrate their arrival, enjoy these first exclusive Dark Elves' images!

Me wanna try it. Is it: good?

It's fun. I still pull it out now and then for a game or two against the AI. I don't have patience for MPing these days. I think over at EUOT they're rather active. Talk to Jarkko.

I saw it for 30 euros from Stardock, and I know a friend of a friend that I've been playing some shooters with loves it, and my friend considers it. What's the learning curve? It won't feel like work like I felt some managing sims do?

Quote from: Lucidor on December 20, 2009, 05:02:59 AM
I saw it for 30 euros from Stardock, and I know a friend of a friend that I've been playing some shooters with loves it, and my friend considers it. What's the learning curve? It won't feel like work like I felt some managing sims do?

Nope. Play in classic turn based mode, and you will get the basics quickly. The rules are easy the key to get a basic level of understanding of the strategy is learning what failed actions cause turnover (ending your turn prematurely), then you can learn to prioritize moves. There is a lot more to strategy especially against humans of course, but I can't help you with that, I only played a handful of MP games several months ago.

Simple to learn, harder to master.

The game uses the Blood Bowl Living Rule Book 5 -- PDF WARNING!!.

http://www.bloodbowlonline.com/LivingRulebook5.pdf

The rules are written for the board game, but the differences in the PC game are minimal.  The PC game doesn't have all of the races mentioned in the rule book either.

okay so I had a look at this after a long time, the launcher patched it up and... some minor interface improvements, and I think the AI is slightly better as well. There are Dark Elves, and stuff. I have had some fun matches with my Skaven in SP.

Sooo, any chance of doing that Languish Leauge for real this time? we could do a cup for starters so there is no such time commitment.

I could do it...

The AI, improved or not, still can't prepare you for MP. Had my first MP game in a long while, there is now a matchmaking option where it finds you a suitable opponent to play, and it is ranked.

I am still experimenting but I think Skaven suits my playstyle best. I enjoy the do-or-die nature of their offense. Played against a dark elf team, went up 2-0 thought I had the game, but in a nailbiting finish they equalized in the very last moment.  The guy first wanted to play some technical game then figured he was better off cleaning the field from skavens.

Plural of skaven is skaven.

Quote from: The Brain on April 11, 2010, 04:04:46 AM
Plural of skaven is skaven.

So how come a GW fanboi like you is not playing this game? It is rather cool.

Quote from: Tamas on April 11, 2010, 04:41:08 AM

Quote from: The Brain on April 11, 2010, 04:04:46 AM
Plural of skaven is skaven.

So how come a GW fanboi like you is not playing this game? It is rather cool.

Played it when it was new, and again a couple of months ago. It's a fun game.

So whats the secret of an effective defense as skaven? Against the AI it was easy but humans dont make such mistakes.

I can delay them but it attrites me away slowly, and it gives total time control to my opponent.

I tend to play "passive agressive" defense with Skaven (though with squishy opponents, e.g. goblins and elves, I'll try and dominate them);

Always keep an empty square between your rats and the opponent. By deploying in two ranks and placing your guys right, he'll only be able to move one square forward. In your turn, use selected blocks and dodges to free up players in opposing tackle zones. Remember that your opponent can only blitz one guy per turn, so you can limit him to one block many turns. Use your tacke zones to limit his movement and link the tackle zones, so taking out one guy won't really open anything up.

Always place a few rats up field, to retain the threat of immediate scoring on a turnover. This also makes it a lot harder for your opponent to cover the ball carrier, often forcing him to proceed down the sidelines, rather than through the middle - and the sides are a lot easier for you to block, using the tactics above.

If he sends catchers down your backfield, make sure to place one tackle zone on each catcher and use your blitz to bring one down. You basically need to slow him down long enough to force him to take chances - and roll dice. Don't worry about the clock - you can easily score in two or three turns. If you can keep your guys alive, you'll almost always win - or at least draw.

Apart from keeping your guys out of the fight and slowing his advance, your focus should be only on the ballcarrier. Your blitzes and blocks should focus on;

1. Grabbing the ball
2. Putting a tackle zone on the ball carrier
3. Freeing up your guys by pushing away opponents and bringing down forward catchers etc.

Whenever you can block the ball carrier, do so. Don't take any chances - except when a chance to block the carrier arises. Then go all in, dodge into tacklezones and make 1 dice blocks (or even 2 dice against if you have Block-skill). Build your gutter runners as ball retrievers - dauntless, horns, strip ball, block, tackle, wrestle etc. are all good skills. Those little fellas can managed the most amazing takedowns and zoom away with the ball afterwards.

If you can block the carrier, block his guards (and always look out for an opportunity to chain push the carrier out of his pocket) and put a tacklezone on the carrier. If you can place your guy next to the carrier with no other opponent adjacent, you have forced him to use his blitz to free the carrier - and that means he can't dent your defense wall.

Other good skills for breaking up a solid cage are sidestep, leap (though it's too risky in my book), stand firm and jump up - most of these help you avoid being continually pushed back and can often help put a rat next to his ball carrier.

Just my two cents - but I was never an expert - and I am pretty rusty these days. As mentioned, different opponents need different tactics - against lizards, I'd avoid saurii and put a tackle zone on skinks whenever possible. Your skill choices also define how you should play - I tend to be very ball oriented, focusing entirely on getting the ball loose and not to much on bashing the opponent down.

I'd be up for a game or a tournament BTW.

Thank you! This is what has been forming in my mind, but described very well. :)

My biggest problem is indeed the cage. Often, when I think to have found a chance to break through and get at the carrier, my massed rats end up bogged down in a brawl and decimated. Will keep practicing (against humans, the AI is utterly incapable to pose a similar challenge)

OMFG had my most frustrating Skaven game to date. Good thing the opponent was a nice guy at least we had a good chat.

So my 1200ish skaven played against 1300ish Chaos. I kicked off the game. He, positioned his left side into a concentrated bunch, had the other side more loose. So I kicked toward the latter. Changing weather event put the ball into the hands of a chaos guy in the middle of that concentrated bunch, so he had a 3/4 formed cage right behind the LOS at the very first turn... Then he killed a linerat in the trench, but thats something to live with.

And then hilarity ensued because he managed to lose, due to bad rolls, like 2 or 3 of his players in the first half, and an other one in the second.


YET I COULD NOT GRAB THE BALL THE WHOLE GAME. NOT EVEN ONCE. NIL ZERO SUCCESSFUL PICKUP ATTEMPTS. I HAD TO ROLL FUCKING TWOS FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!
THE ONE TIME I HAVE MORE PLAYERS ON FIELD THAN A CHAOS TEAM AND I CANT GRAB THE GODDAMN BALL

:nelson:

And why the hell is everyone playing Orc and Chaos? Seriously, I haven't MPed against anything else yet.

Oddly, those would be my favorite teams. Anything else is too squishy. Dwarves are ok, but too slow.

Yes but I prefer quicker, passing teams. been checking dark elves, and I suck at countering stronger teams, frankly.

I understand the concept of delaying them and forcing them to make mistakes so I can force a tunrover but in practice I have very few ideas how to do that. I can pull off nice and quick counterattacks when they do offer me the chance but I must admit that usually it's because of the other coach burning through his rerolls unnecessarily which eventually gives me the chance. So usually I just bleed off the pitch one by one as I try to delay and then rush the ballcarrier when given some chance.

BTW, there is a 16 team leauge called "BC-Div3" forming, I just applied, the guy announcing it wanted people who play daily, so I guess one match a day is enough for him. I have just applied, so if anyone wants to be in my leauge and get victories agaisnt my squeaky dark elves, go ahead.

I generally always play squishy teams - never really cared to much for bashing teams.

Bleeding to death is a fact of playing a squishy team. You'll win often, but keeping your team alive is a struggle. The bashing teams generally have poor ball handling, so pick ups and hand offs are problematic. If you can force your opponent into these, it'll burn his RRs and give you the chance. But there certainly a lot of luck and player mistakes involved.

One game a day is waaay to ambitious for me. Wouldn't mind playing a bit of MP against some languishites, though.

Chaos Edition has been released - bringing teams up to 23 (added Chaos Dwarves, Underworld and Daemons of Khorne). If you register your old player key on Steam you get the game for €10.- instead of €29.99.

Thanks Syt, bought it for the tenner, going to try it this weekend.

I woud make a vague attempt to try a Languish mini-league going with this game again, but why bother.

God, I'm rusty at this. Started a campaign as Daemons of Khorne. Lost my first match 2-0 against a Skaven team (strategy: 1. hurt them as much as possible; 2. pick up ball if possible). I injured three of their players, but they killed one and injured another of mine. I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR THIS!

Yeah I gave it a brief try and discovered that I am way, WAY out of practice. By the time I started to remember things the AI was all over me. And even when I trounced the AI without blinking an eye in the past (all too easy, sadly), I was decimated in the online league I played.

Quote from: Tamas on October 12, 2012, 06:22:40 AM
Thanks Syt, bought it for the tenner, going to try it this weekend.

I woud make a vague attempt to try a Languish mini-league going with this game again, but why bother.

i have to find where I bought it from. (Gamers gate if i recall correctly) as it was on my lost HD.

You can look up the serial in GamersGate. I bought it waaaay back from . . . what was that platform's name again? They were merged with another one earlier this year or last year. Anyways, I have a habit of keeping installation files and serials as backup on a seperate drive. Steam will need your player key to register, not the game key.