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Title: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Malthus on February 25, 2015, 10:26:03 AM
So, the cops found out that someone - more likely, several someones - had built a mysterious tunnel on some wasteland near York University.

This was no small undertaking - there was a generator for an electric light system, and it was shored up with wooden supports. Looks to have been dug by hand.

So far, no clue as to what it was for. It did not lead anywhere.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/02/24/york-u-tunnel-yields-eerie-clues.html

Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Monoriu on February 25, 2015, 10:31:58 AM
This is even reported in HK's evening news  :lol:

Has anyone ever solved the other one involving severed feet?
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Malthus on February 25, 2015, 10:35:20 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on February 25, 2015, 10:31:58 AM
This is even reported in HK's evening news  :lol:

Has anyone ever solved the other one involving severed feet?

Not as far as I know. It would be freaky if they were linked!  :D
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: alfred russel on February 25, 2015, 10:38:53 AM
So a tunnel that doesn't go anywhere...you might say a "polish mine"....severed feet....

OMG, not only are the linked, I know who is behind it all!  :homestar:
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: garbon on February 25, 2015, 10:42:23 AM
http://www.theprovince.com/quite+solved+mystery+severed+feet/10281333/story.html

QuoteThe not-quite-solved mystery of the severed feet

Turns out all those detached feet in sneakers that have washed up on B.C. shores since 2007 aren't such a mystery after all — except for two feet belonging to the same unknown man.

"We may eventually figure it out," said Bill Inkster, the former dentist who manages the identification unit for the B.C. Coroners Service.

One foot belonging to the unidentified person — DNA testing revealed it was a man — washed up in False Creek near the Edgewater Casino in August 2011. The man's other foot turned up almost a year later at the dock by the Plaza of Nations.

"I have a condo right close to False Creek so I think about it a lot," said Inkster, whose team at the coroners service has seemingly done the impossible by identifying 10 other sneaker-clad feet that have floated onto B.C.'s shores since 2007. The feet belonged to seven different people.

But the identity of the eighth remains unknown. B.C. keeps a DNA database of people missing and believed dead, but the feet didn't match any of those.

They were able to determine that the man was wearing a pair of size-nine sneakers bought at Walmart in July 2010 or some time after. Because the feet both washed up in False Creek, Inkster is convinced the body is still there under the water.

"There's very little in and out current," Inkster said, adding police divers searched the area after the feet were found. "But it was too murky and it's a huge area to look. Every summer, I feel like getting flippers and a mask and going down there to look for the rest of this guy."

There was nothing suspicious in the deaths of any of the identified victims, Inkster said. The phenomenon of the feet in sneakers started in August 2007, when a girl found a foot on the beach at Jedediah Island, northwest of Vancouver.

"They're not severed, they're disarticulated," Inkster explains. As the body decomposes the feet are separated from the rest of the body. Time was, the feet would have just stayed underwater with the rest of the body. But Nike Air, and all those other sneakers that followed, changed that with designs that featured little air pockets.

"It was just the sudden appearance of the very buoyant shoes," Inkster said. "It turned them into little life jackets, so (the feet) tend to bob up. Historically, they would just lay there."

With the sneaker-clad feet, "there's usually a sock and some bones, no teeth, no fingerprints, no ID — how in the world do you even start to guess who that is?"

B.C.'s unique missing persons DNA database helps, he said, and the coroners service has an anthropologist who helps with investigations by determining approximately how long each foot has been in the water. Exposure to water can degrade the DNA in human remains, but so far DNA matches have been the key to all their identifications.

"We've had a foot showing up, let's say somewhere out on the Fraser River, and then a year later a foot showing up in the Gulf Islands. But they're from the same victim. That's happened," Inkster said.

"Once you've determined who this is, you fill in the story of that person's life, and the story of their last moments before they went missing."

Sadly, the feet generally belong to suicide victims. "That's the common theme."

This isn't just a B.C. phenomenon. Inkster has heard of similar cases elsewhere in the world. The most recent report came last May from Seattle, where volunteers picking up trash at Elliott Bay north of downtown found a foot in a white New Balance sneaker.

"It's just a function of waterways. We've had them in places like Norway, where there are a lot of islands and waterways. Wherever there's a lot of high bridges."

Which bring us back to that guy who may or may not still be in False Creek. If he were suicidal, would he really have jumped off the comparatively low Cambie Bridge?

"If there's anyone who has any clues to this person, we'd love to hear," Inkster said. "I kind of obsess about the last one."

I like the notion that advances in footwear are why we are suddenly seeing disarticulated feet bobbing about. :D
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Malthus on February 25, 2015, 10:49:40 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 25, 2015, 10:42:23 AM

I like the notion that advances in footwear are why we are suddenly seeing disarticulated feet bobbing about. :D

Comming soon to an advertising campaign near you. "Nike Air - they will find your disarticulated feet!"
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Jacob on February 25, 2015, 01:23:04 PM
That's a great malapropism waiting to be used.

"Man, that guy never makes sense when he talks. He's so disarticulated, you know."
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Berkut on February 25, 2015, 01:29:10 PM
OK, the shoe thing is fucking awesome.

The tunnel...well, probably the North Koreans. They do shit like that all the time.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Josquius on February 25, 2015, 01:31:20 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on February 25, 2015, 10:31:58 AM
This is even reported in HK's evening news  :lol:

Has anyone ever solved the other one involving severed feet?
Hong Kong news reporting on Toronto? Huh....I wonder why :hmm:
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Caliga on February 25, 2015, 01:33:08 PM
I would assume the tunnel is drug related.  Or secret Nazis.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Jacob on February 25, 2015, 01:34:24 PM
Quote from: Tyr on February 25, 2015, 01:31:20 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on February 25, 2015, 10:31:58 AM
This is even reported in HK's evening news  :lol:

Has anyone ever solved the other one involving severed feet?
Hong Kong news reporting on Toronto? Huh....I wonder why :hmm:

Bizarre, mildly weird, and mildly cute news stories with pictures from across the world are pretty popular in lots of places.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Valmy on February 25, 2015, 01:37:17 PM
Quote from: Caliga on February 25, 2015, 01:33:08 PM
I would assume the tunnel is drug related.  Or secret Nazis.

I agree it is secret Nazis.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 25, 2015, 01:39:02 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 25, 2015, 10:42:23 AM
I like the notion that advances in footwear are why we are suddenly seeing disarticulated feet bobbing about. :D

That's so awesome. 

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnetdna.coolthings.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F11%2Freebokpumps1.jpg&hash=f0767134c1b5669e9af0f8a63452448f91eba520)
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 25, 2015, 01:41:45 PM
Quote from: Malthus on February 25, 2015, 10:26:03 AM
So, the cops found out that someone - more likely, several someones - had built a mysterious tunnel on some wasteland near York University.

This was no small undertaking - there was a generator for an electric light system, and it was shored up with wooden supports. Looks to have been dug by hand.

So far, no clue as to what it was for. It did not lead anywhere.

Sounds like a hydroponic weed farm operation that was caught before it got going.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: crazy canuck on February 25, 2015, 03:56:54 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 25, 2015, 01:41:45 PM
Quote from: Malthus on February 25, 2015, 10:26:03 AM
So, the cops found out that someone - more likely, several someones - had built a mysterious tunnel on some wasteland near York University.

This was no small undertaking - there was a generator for an electric light system, and it was shored up with wooden supports. Looks to have been dug by hand.

So far, no clue as to what it was for. It did not lead anywhere.

Sounds like a hydroponic weed farm operation that was caught before it got going.

Not big enough
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 25, 2015, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 25, 2015, 03:56:54 PM
Not big enough

Wasn't finished.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Martinus on February 25, 2015, 04:15:06 PM
Didn't Mono use to live in Toronto? Not that it explains any of the mysteries, but it does explain why he is so weird.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Valmy on February 25, 2015, 04:18:23 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 25, 2015, 04:15:06 PM
Didn't Mono use to live in Toronto? Not that it explains any of the mysteries, but it does explain why he is so weird.

I thought he was in Vancouver.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Martinus on February 25, 2015, 04:19:44 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 25, 2015, 04:18:23 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 25, 2015, 04:15:06 PM
Didn't Mono use to live in Toronto? Not that it explains any of the mysteries, but it does explain why he is so weird.

I thought he was in Vancouver.

Oh well, there goes my carefully crafted and researched theory.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Monoriu on February 25, 2015, 05:45:38 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 25, 2015, 04:18:23 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 25, 2015, 04:15:06 PM
Didn't Mono use to live in Toronto? Not that it explains any of the mysteries, but it does explain why he is so weird.

I thought he was in Vancouver.

:yes:
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: lustindarkness on February 25, 2015, 06:08:28 PM
Extremist catholic terrorist?
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Malthus on February 25, 2015, 06:11:42 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 25, 2015, 06:08:28 PM
Extremist catholic terrorist?

More like a group of Catholic would-be Troglodytes.  :D

Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Monoriu on February 25, 2015, 06:18:50 PM
1. Neo-Nazis trying to retreive WWII artifacts.

2. Killer maid from Columbia resembling Terminator trying to rescue her kidnapped young master.

3. A pair of 11 year old twins who think they are reborn vampires on an assassination mission.

4. The place where a high school yakuza princess will formally take up leadership of the gang.

5. Hiding place for an Indian trying to counterfeit US notes, and is escaping from her paymasters due to missing a deadline.

Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 25, 2015, 06:20:44 PM
Or somebody that just wanted to dig a tunnel.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: mongers on February 25, 2015, 06:23:17 PM
Maybe the tunnel is the totality of existence and all of this is just an ilyushin?
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: jimmy olsen on February 25, 2015, 06:46:29 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on February 25, 2015, 06:18:50 PM
1. Neo-Nazis trying to retreive WWII artifacts.

2. Killer maid from Columbia resembling Terminator trying to rescue her kidnapped young master.

3. A pair of 11 year old twins who think they are reborn vampires on an assassination mission.

You've been watching Black Lagoon!
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Monoriu on February 25, 2015, 07:25:08 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 25, 2015, 06:46:29 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on February 25, 2015, 06:18:50 PM
1. Neo-Nazis trying to retreive WWII artifacts.

2. Killer maid from Columbia resembling Terminator trying to rescue her kidnapped young master.

3. A pair of 11 year old twins who think they are reborn vampires on an assassination mission.

You've been watching Black Lagoon!

Just completed ;)
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: viper37 on February 25, 2015, 08:23:20 PM
Quote from: Malthus on February 25, 2015, 10:26:03 AM
So, the cops found out that someone - more likely, several someones - had built a mysterious tunnel on some wasteland near York University.

This was no small undertaking - there was a generator for an electric light system, and it was shored up with wooden supports. Looks to have been dug by hand.

So far, no clue as to what it was for. It did not lead anywhere.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/02/24/york-u-tunnel-yields-eerie-clues.html
did it appear to be finished, or did it look like it was left in mid-construction?  I mean, a tunnel that leads nowhere is kinda strange.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 25, 2015, 08:25:36 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 25, 2015, 06:46:29 PM
You've been watching Black Lagoon!

Then explain how it all fits even more with The Blue Lagoon.   :mad:
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: dps on February 25, 2015, 08:40:10 PM
Quote from: mongers on February 25, 2015, 06:23:17 PM
Maybe the tunnel is the totality of existence and all of this is just an ilyushin?

Maybe it's all just a Tupolev.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Malthus on February 26, 2015, 09:42:46 AM
Today's letters to the Editor in the Globe were pretty funny. I particularly liked the Murdoch one:

QuoteRe Secret York U Bunker Puzzles Police (Feb. 25): Nefarious, sinister, ominous? Or possibly just the work of some who are trying to circumvent Toronto's real estate prices and winter temperatures?

Helen Godfrey, Toronto

.........

Maybe it's just a place where Leafs fans can hide rather than face yet-another disappointing season.

Gilles Coughlan, Ottawa

.........

Detective William Murdoch would've told you a century ago that the tunnel is the work of either scalawags or ne'er-do-wells. Round them all up for questioning, he'd have said: They may have been aided and abetted by riff-raff hell bent on skulduggery.

But Constable George Crabtree would have suspected those albino mole-people: Dust everything for finger marks with fine powdered sugar if you can locate some.

Brian Beckett, Nepean, Ont.

.........

It's fairly easy to explain Toronto's mystery hole. Those smart students were simply digging toward the Earth's core – where it's apparently around 6,000 C – to get warm. And if they'd asked me along, I'd have joined them.

Gordon S. Findlay, Toronto


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/letters/feb-26-cause-to-celebrate-and-other-letters-to-the-editor/article23206955/
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Siege on February 26, 2015, 11:50:11 AM
Quote from: Malthus on February 25, 2015, 10:26:03 AM
So, the cops found out that someone - more likely, several someones - had built a mysterious tunnel on some wasteland near York University.

This was no small undertaking - there was a generator for an electric light system, and it was shored up with wooden supports. Looks to have been dug by hand.

So far, no clue as to what it was for. It did not lead anywhere.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/02/24/york-u-tunnel-yields-eerie-clues.html



Palestinians.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Valmy on February 26, 2015, 11:52:16 AM
They do like tunnels don't they?
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: grumbler on February 26, 2015, 01:02:25 PM
Bah.  The police are just behind the times.  I found that tunnel in Fallout 3 seven years ago.  It's not supposed to go anywhere - it just contained a leveled supermutant (who must have been killed by someone else at least seven days before the cops found the tunnel, because the body is gone).  The lack of gore bags is a bit puzzling, I will admit.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: lustindarkness on February 26, 2015, 02:11:16 PM
Why not leave a few hidden game cameras and shut up about it for a few months? Now the tunnel digger(s) will not show up again. Would have been funny to see images of Gimly showing up.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: grumbler on February 26, 2015, 02:13:26 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 26, 2015, 02:11:16 PM
Why not leave a few hidden game cameras and shut up about it for a few months? Now the tunnel digger(s) will not show up again. Would have been funny to see images of Gimly Gimlet, son of Groin, showing up.
FTFY
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: lustindarkness on February 26, 2015, 02:16:36 PM
Interesting, Gimlet it is then.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: crazy canuck on February 26, 2015, 07:02:16 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 26, 2015, 02:11:16 PM
Why not leave a few hidden game cameras and shut up about it for a few months? Now the tunnel digger(s) will not show up again. Would have been funny to see images of Gimly showing up.

The police waited a number of months before going public to see if they could find out the who and why.  When they found no evidence they decided to appeal to the public for clues.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Monoriu on February 26, 2015, 07:18:47 PM
Back in the days when I played Everquest, I had multiple characters, and one problem was to switch stuff between characters.  Of course, I trusted no one, not even my guildmates who adventured with me every night.  So I found a really quiet corner in Qeynos (Sony EQ backwards), basically the middle of a maze inside a big building, and dropped stuff there for another character to pick up. 

Maybe the tunnel is for someone who have found a way to log on with another character  :ph34r:
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Razgovory on February 26, 2015, 07:52:07 PM
I'm beginning to think Grumbler is losing his mind.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 26, 2015, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 26, 2015, 07:52:07 PM
I'm beginning to think Grumbler is losing his mind.

Bullshit.  He knows exactly where it is.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: grumbler on February 26, 2015, 08:02:56 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 26, 2015, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 26, 2015, 07:52:07 PM
I'm beginning to think Grumbler is losing his mind.

Bullshit.  He knows exactly where it is.
In this case, it's in Bored of the Rings.  Not that I'd expect to find a copy of that work in Raz's family's basement.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 26, 2015, 08:06:19 PM
Quote from: grumbler on February 26, 2015, 08:02:56 PM
In this case, it's in Bored of the Rings.  Not that I'd expect to find a copy of that work in Raz's family's basement.

My yellowed and well-thumbed 1st edition copy is tucked away safely in storage. Tim Benzedrine FTW.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: grumbler on February 26, 2015, 10:42:27 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 26, 2015, 08:06:19 PM
Quote from: grumbler on February 26, 2015, 08:02:56 PM
In this case, it's in Bored of the Rings.  Not that I'd expect to find a copy of that work in Raz's family's basement.

My yellowed and well-thumbed 1st edition copy is tucked away safely in storage. Tim Benzedrine FTW.  :lol:

This Ring and no other
was made by the elves
who'd pawn their own mother
to own it themselves.



Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Malthus on March 02, 2015, 04:19:13 PM
Awesome. The answer was: hosers burrowing to make a play fort.  :lol:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-tunnel-dug-by-2-men-as-man-cave-police-say-1.2978109
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 02, 2015, 04:51:33 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 25, 2015, 06:20:44 PM
Or somebody that just wanted to dig a tunnel.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: derspiess on March 02, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
I've thought of building a section of trench line in my back yard.  For shits & giggles.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 02, 2015, 04:56:58 PM
Quote from: Malthus on March 02, 2015, 04:19:13 PM
Awesome. The answer was: hosers burrowing to make a play fort.  :lol:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-tunnel-dug-by-2-men-as-man-cave-police-say-1.2978109

That's a great PIO, by the way.  None of that copspeak bullshit you get down here.  "Upon which time the two subjects in question began to construct an artificial underground passage for non-criminal purposes."
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: derspiess on March 02, 2015, 04:59:59 PM
A little too good if you ask me.  Starting to think this dude might be covering for a Chicom spy ring that is digging a connecting tunnel to the one being dug from the mainland (a la Battle Beneath the Earth).
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Razgovory on March 02, 2015, 05:00:53 PM
Quote from: grumbler on February 26, 2015, 08:02:56 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 26, 2015, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 26, 2015, 07:52:07 PM
I'm beginning to think Grumbler is losing his mind.

Bullshit.  He knows exactly where it is.
In this case, it's in Bored of the Rings.  Not that I'd expect to find a copy of that work in Raz's family's basement.

I was never amused by Dildo jokes.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 02, 2015, 05:01:59 PM
Yup, nothing to see here.  Just digging it to dig it.  Yeah, that's the ticket.  Hanging out.  Chillin.

*hides PLA bugle*
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Josephus on March 02, 2015, 08:00:43 PM
Ended up being a pretty boring story after all. Typically Canadian.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Monoriu on March 02, 2015, 08:37:35 PM
I am just thinking, if it were the Chinese or Japanese police investigating the case, they'll never take "we just dug a tunnel for fun" as an answer.  They'll beat the crap out of those guys until they confess to hiding aliens or trying to plant a bomb or something :lol:
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: lustindarkness on March 02, 2015, 08:52:49 PM
WTF? That was it?  :hmm:
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on March 02, 2015, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 02, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
I've thought of building a section of trench line in my back yard.  For shits & giggles.

Burnside will blow up part of it and send the darkies in.
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: jimmy olsen on March 03, 2015, 09:19:09 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on March 02, 2015, 08:37:35 PM
I am just thinking, if it were the Chinese or Japanese police investigating the case, they'll never take "we just dug a tunnel for fun" as an answer.  They'll beat the crap out of those guys until they confess to hiding aliens or trying to plant a bomb or something :lol:
Yeah, let's laugh about forcing false confessions out of people with torture!  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The Toronto Tunnel Speculation Thread
Post by: derspiess on March 03, 2015, 10:51:40 PM
Lighten up, Tim.