Tim (and the media) have been predicting a full blown pandemic with hundreds of thousands death, in Africa and elsewhere.
Where are Tim's graphs and sad faces? :unsure:
For reasons that are as not yet understood the exponential growth ceased and the disease is now "merely" endemic to the region.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 03, 2015, 04:12:26 AM
For reasons that are as not yet understood the exponential growth ceased and the disease is now "merely" endemic to the region.
Ie what everyone on Languish has been telling you will happen. :lol:
Turned out only poors died, which makes it a non-story.
Quote from: Martinus on January 03, 2015, 04:08:11 AM
Tim (and the media) have been predicting a full blown pandemic with hundreds of thousands death, in Africa and elsewhere.
Where are Tim's graphs and sad faces? :unsure:
You dont know. America cured it. USA USA USA USA FTW :blurgh:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 03, 2015, 04:12:26 AM
For reasons that are as not yet understood the exponential growth ceased and the disease is now "merely" endemic to the region.
don't feel bad Timmy, sometimes wishes just don't come true :console:
They probably just used that libertarian method and the Ebola was retroactively cured.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.static-economist.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Foriginal-size%2Fimages%2F2015%2F01%2Fblogs%2Fgraphic-detail%2F20150103_wom999.png&hash=4ac95bb0582d2bb6237475dd6e316e49489c7ded)
Guinea is the only one of those three to report fatality statistics that are remotely accurate.
Police brutality became the new story.
Quote from: Martinus on January 03, 2015, 04:14:35 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 03, 2015, 04:12:26 AM
For reasons that are as not yet understood the exponential growth ceased and the disease is now "merely" endemic to the region.
Ie what everyone on Languish has been telling you will happen. :lol:
Look away and hope the problem goes away on its own is generally a reasonable policy on a personal level. However, I suspect the media panic probably pushed a lot of extra money and volunteers toward the area. It would have probably been easier if they'd gone in June or July instead of October.
stopped being worried. We can go back to not washing our hands after pooping again.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 03, 2015, 04:12:26 AM
For reasons that are as not yet understood the exponential growth ceased and the disease is now "merely" endemic to the region.
No, the reasons are very much understood; namely, the nature of the disease, Muttski.
Quote from: Josephus on January 03, 2015, 09:33:20 AM
stopped being worried. We can go back to not washing our hands after pooping again.
Whew.
Wait I never got that memo!
Britain's got its first case.
Also, apparently, we fucked up in Sierra Leone compared to the French and the Americans. To an extent it was a government problem, to a far larger extent it was charities taking on work they really shouldn't have (Save the Children's been especially criticised).
The media over-sensationalizes everything and Timmay eats it right up. Nothing new there.
If it had been iBola instead of eBola it would have been a bigger hit.
Quote from: dps on January 03, 2015, 01:20:56 PM
The media over-sensationalizes everything and Timmay eats it right up. Nothing new there.
I was surprised by how nobody close to the cases registered in the West (spouses, etc...) got infected. Looks like this thing isn't really *that* contagious until it gets to an advanced stage, so proper hospitalization, isolation, and corpse disposal procedures seem enough to significantly help containment.
So medieval mumbo-jumbo isn't the best way??!? :o
White people stopped getting it and it became clear that it wasn't Obama's fault, so normal people and Fox news stopped caring.
Quote from: dps on January 03, 2015, 01:20:56 PM
The media over-sensationalizes everything and Timmay eats it right up. Nothing new there.
Tim was keeping tabs long before American media cared.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 03, 2015, 01:49:21 PM
Tim was keeping tabs long before American media cared.
American media cared before the first US case showed up and the cable channels went into 24 hour frenzy mode. Take a look at the original ebola thread and Timmy's links.
Quote from: dps on January 03, 2015, 01:20:56 PM
The media over-sensationalizes everything and Timmay eats it right up. Nothing new there.
The only exponential growth we get is in the volume of bullshit.
First, a bunch of projections get made by organizations that stand to get funding in the case of an expected crisis.
Second, the news media reports the most alarmist of those projections in order to generate clicks.
Third, Tim, who apparently scans every news article in the world, brings us only the most sensational of the news stories.
I don't think that's fair. Part of the reason ebola didn't go full apocalypse is because of the over reaction.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 03, 2015, 02:39:23 PM
I don't think that's fair. Part of the reason ebola didn't go full apocalypse is because of the over reaction.
Maybe. But ebola has been around a really long time and hasn't gone full apocalypse yet. This isn't the first outbreak (even if the most serious). Most disease outbreaks stop short of full global armageddon, and that was true before modern medicine.
Most disease outbreaks stop short of species eradication because we do stuff about them.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 03, 2015, 02:07:41 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 03, 2015, 01:49:21 PM
Tim was keeping tabs long before American media cared.
American media cared before the first US case showed up and the cable channels went into 24 hour frenzy mode. Take a look at the original ebola thread and Timmy's links.
Oh, I know they covered it, but until somebody popped up with it in the US it was always being treated as "shit happens in Africa".
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 03, 2015, 02:48:25 PM
Most disease outbreaks stop short of species eradication because we do stuff about them.
In this case, I'm not sure how it would have become an epidemic in first world countries. I'm also not sure that western aid was decisive in preventing a really serious African epidemic.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 03, 2015, 02:57:53 PM
In this case, I'm not sure how it would have become an epidemic in first world countries. I'm also not sure that western aid was decisive in preventing a really serious African epidemic.
1. Thousands contract the disease in a few weeks.
2. Half of them die.
3. ?
4. Profit?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 03, 2015, 03:02:21 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 03, 2015, 02:57:53 PM
In this case, I'm not sure how it would have become an epidemic in first world countries. I'm also not sure that western aid was decisive in preventing a really serious African epidemic.
1. Thousands contract the disease in a few weeks.
2. Half of them die.
3. ?
4. Profit?
Not sure what point you are making...
I agree ebola sucks.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 03, 2015, 03:07:25 PM
Not sure what point you are making...
I agree ebola sucks.
If #3 is not local and international efforts, you need to replace it with something else.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 03, 2015, 03:10:18 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 03, 2015, 03:07:25 PM
Not sure what point you are making...
I agree ebola sucks.
If #3 is not local and international efforts, you need to replace it with something else.
Read through history before modern medicine. Yes there were global outbreaks like the Black Death or Plague of Justinian, but far more common were regional outbreaks that killed some percent of the population and went away.
I'm not saying that local efforts weren't important. But here we are talking about the first world media, which frequently had the tone, "west africa is fucked, probably all of africa, and maybe us too." That probably got more western support over there, but in a multi country area I doubt that was more decisive than local messaging of avoiding frequent modes of transmission. "The West saved the Africans from their Ebola" seems a dubious claim.
Without western efforts the outbreak would have been significantly worse. This would have been good because...?
Quote from: frunk on January 03, 2015, 03:27:46 PM
Without western efforts the outbreak would have been significantly worse. This would have been good because...?
Is there anything I've posted that makes you think that I wish it was worse?
Everyone on this forum was exposed to a bunch of stories/commentary about how ebola was going to grow at some horrible pace. It was all bullshit. Me calling out that bullshit doesn't mean anything more than me calling out the bullshit.
I should stop there, but your sentence "Without western efforts the outbreak would have been significantly worse" does lead me to wonder who is telling you that. Could it have overlap with the same sources predicting the exponential growth? :P
So you think western efforts didn't do anything?
Quote from: alfred russel on January 03, 2015, 03:18:32 PM
Read through history before modern medicine. Yes there were global outbreaks like the Black Death or Plague of Justinian, but far more common were regional outbreaks that killed some percent of the population and went away.
I'm not saying that local efforts weren't important. But here we are talking about the first world media, which frequently had the tone, "west africa is fucked, probably all of africa, and maybe us too." That probably got more western support over there, but in a multi country area I doubt that was more decisive than local messaging of avoiding frequent modes of transmission. "The West saved the Africans from their Ebola" seems a dubious claim.
A lot of diseases flair up and die out because people build up immunity over time. My understanding is people don't build up immunity naturally to ebola.
Agreed, Immunity goes both ways. Sure, there are bacteria and viruses that are going to be resistant to the latest drugs produced. Conversely there are people that will be resistant to the strongest strains of diseases, which can then be replicated and used as antibiotics to everyone else. I don't think the scaremongering in this case was too out of line. Even as it stands we're into 5 figure cases, and 4 figures deaths (which will most likely to have been proven by academic studies 20-30 years down the line, to have been under-estimated anyway).
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 03, 2015, 03:38:50 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 03, 2015, 03:18:32 PM
Read through history before modern medicine. Yes there were global outbreaks like the Black Death or Plague of Justinian, but far more common were regional outbreaks that killed some percent of the population and went away.
I'm not saying that local efforts weren't important. But here we are talking about the first world media, which frequently had the tone, "west africa is fucked, probably all of africa, and maybe us too." That probably got more western support over there, but in a multi country area I doubt that was more decisive than local messaging of avoiding frequent modes of transmission. "The West saved the Africans from their Ebola" seems a dubious claim.
A lot of diseases flair up and die out because people build up immunity over time. My understanding is people don't build up immunity naturally to ebola.
There are many reasons why epidemics come and go.
QuoteSo you think western efforts didn't do anything?
What I think is that to have epidemic conditions for ebola you really need horrible sanitation. And guess what you have in western africa? Horrible sanitation! It isn't as though Africans are too stupid to know that having sewage run through your markets and using that water to wash vegetables is bad. They know this, yet it is the way things are. What motivates people to improve the situation is when the local media and authorities galvanize the population to do something about it, with the threat of death from an ongoing ebola outbreak providing the motivation.
I am skeptical that white people flying into a region were able to be the primary motivators in improving sanitation in a multi country region with millions of people--all within a few months. That isn't to say western efforts didn't do anything positive.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 03, 2015, 07:02:19 PM
I am skeptical that white people flying into a region were able to be the primary motivators in improving sanitation in a multi country region with millions of people--all within a few months. That isn't to say western efforts didn't do anything positive.
There are many natural disasters and diseases that will be made much worse in poorer countries due to bad infrastructure and the lack of trained personnel. Would you prefer if the west did not help them?
Quote from: frunk on January 03, 2015, 07:40:38 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 03, 2015, 07:02:19 PM
I am skeptical that white people flying into a region were able to be the primary motivators in improving sanitation in a multi country region with millions of people--all within a few months. That isn't to say western efforts didn't do anything positive.
There are many natural disasters and diseases that will be made much worse in poorer countries due to bad infrastructure and the lack of trained personnel. Would you prefer if the west did not help them?
:frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :frusty:
I don't know how bitching about alarmist Tim articles is turned into me not wanting to help africans or disaster victims.
To recap things I have never said or implied:
-we should stop sending aid to africa
-aid to africa, including related to ebola, doesn't help
-disaster victims should be left to fend on their own
-people who live in tornado prone areas and are hit by tornadoes had it coming
Quote from: alfred russel on January 03, 2015, 07:48:24 PM
-people who live in tornado prone areas and are hit by tornadoes had it coming
That was your other sock.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 03, 2015, 07:48:24 PM
To recap things I have never said or implied:
-we should stop sending aid to africa
-aid to africa, including related to ebola, doesn't help
-disaster victims should be left to fend on their own
-people who live in tornado prone areas and are hit by tornadoes had it coming
You did say it was all bullshit.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 03, 2015, 08:08:13 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 03, 2015, 07:48:24 PM
To recap things I have never said or implied:
-we should stop sending aid to africa
-aid to africa, including related to ebola, doesn't help
-disaster victims should be left to fend on their own
-people who live in tornado prone areas and are hit by tornadoes had it coming
You did say it was all bullshit.
This was the exchange--in the context I think it should be clear the bullshit refers to media/tim sensationalization.
Quote from: dps on Today at 12:20:56 pm
The media over-sensationalizes everything and Timmay eats it right up. Nothing new there.
The only exponential growth we get is in the volume of bullshit.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 03, 2015, 03:38:50 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 03, 2015, 03:18:32 PM
Read through history before modern medicine. Yes there were global outbreaks like the Black Death or Plague of Justinian, but far more common were regional outbreaks that killed some percent of the population and went away.
I'm not saying that local efforts weren't important. But here we are talking about the first world media, which frequently had the tone, "west africa is fucked, probably all of africa, and maybe us too." That probably got more western support over there, but in a multi country area I doubt that was more decisive than local messaging of avoiding frequent modes of transmission. "The West saved the Africans from their Ebola" seems a dubious claim.
A lot of diseases flair up and die out because people build up immunity over time. My understanding is people don't build up immunity naturally to ebola.
Not quite accurate. The difficulty is the high mortality rate. But if someone manages to survive an infection they do build up an immunity. That is the premise of the vaccine (developed in Canada) which is currently being tested in human trials.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 05, 2015, 12:17:14 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 03, 2015, 03:38:50 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 03, 2015, 03:18:32 PM
Read through history before modern medicine. Yes there were global outbreaks like the Black Death or Plague of Justinian, but far more common were regional outbreaks that killed some percent of the population and went away.
I'm not saying that local efforts weren't important. But here we are talking about the first world media, which frequently had the tone, "west africa is fucked, probably all of africa, and maybe us too." That probably got more western support over there, but in a multi country area I doubt that was more decisive than local messaging of avoiding frequent modes of transmission. "The West saved the Africans from their Ebola" seems a dubious claim.
A lot of diseases flair up and die out because people build up immunity over time. My understanding is people don't build up immunity naturally to ebola.
Not quite accurate. The difficulty is the high mortality rate. But if someone manages to survive an infection they do build up an immunity. That is the premise of the vaccine (developed in Canada) which is currently being tested in human trials.
Ahem it was initially developed in Canada.
Put it this way- if the vaccine was developed in the US, I wouldn't feel the need to mention that every time I brought it up. :P
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 05, 2015, 12:30:51 PM
Put it this way- if the vaccine was developed in the US, I wouldn't feel the need to mention that every time I brought it up. :P
:)
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 05, 2015, 12:30:51 PM
Put it this way- if the vaccine was developed in the US, I wouldn't feel the need to mention that every time I brought it up. :P
Ok, one of our gun nuts thought the US had developed the "cure" which is why I mentioned it.
Also, it excuses Yi to some extent as he probably hasn't heard of the vaccine given the inward looking nature of media in the US.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/01-october-2014/en/ (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/01-october-2014/en/)
According to this page, there's both a Canadian developed vaccine and a US developed one in the experimental stages. Maybe he was referring to the other one.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 05, 2015, 12:39:48 PM
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/01-october-2014/en/ (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/01-october-2014/en/)
According to this page, there's both a Canadian developed vaccine and a US developed one in the experimental stages. Maybe he was referring to the other one.
And the Canadian originating one is currently being developed between an Iowa based company and an American multi-national.
Quote from: garbon on January 05, 2015, 12:43:30 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 05, 2015, 12:39:48 PM
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/01-october-2014/en/ (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/01-october-2014/en/)
According to this page, there's both a Canadian developed vaccine and a US developed one in the experimental stages. Maybe he was referring to the other one.
And the Canadian originating one is currently being developed between an Iowa based company and an American multi-national.
By developed you mean tested....
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 05, 2015, 01:09:01 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 05, 2015, 12:43:30 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 05, 2015, 12:39:48 PM
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/01-october-2014/en/ (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/01-october-2014/en/)
According to this page, there's both a Canadian developed vaccine and a US developed one in the experimental stages. Maybe he was referring to the other one.
And the Canadian originating one is currently being developed between an Iowa based company and an American multi-national.
By developed you mean tested....
No, I mean developed. That's the word that most media outlets used to Merck's acquisition.
Quote from: garbon on January 05, 2015, 01:18:01 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 05, 2015, 01:09:01 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 05, 2015, 12:43:30 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 05, 2015, 12:39:48 PM
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/01-october-2014/en/ (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/01-october-2014/en/)
According to this page, there's both a Canadian developed vaccine and a US developed one in the experimental stages. Maybe he was referring to the other one.
And the Canadian originating one is currently being developed between an Iowa based company and an American multi-national.
By developed you mean tested....
No, I mean developed. That's the word that most media outlets used to Merck's acquisition.
Ok. When Merck acquired it, it was ready for human testing. All that is happening now is that an independent lab is determining its efficacy and potential side effects. Not much "development" being done by Merck at this point other than paying for the independent lab to do the testing.
Which means it was necessary to note that Canada was once involved because...?
Quote from: garbon on January 05, 2015, 01:27:49 PM
Which means it was necessary to note that Canada was once involved because...?
Because without the Canadian lab developing the vaccine to the stage that it was ready for human trials Merck would have had nothing.
And what relevance did this have to your post? :unsure:
Quote from: garbon on January 05, 2015, 01:36:01 PM
And what relevance did this have to your post? :unsure:
Why so obtuse garbo? People tend to forget that Canada produces much besides oil and hockey players, so we like to toot our own horn about stuff like this. :)
Quote from: Barrister on January 05, 2015, 01:40:50 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 05, 2015, 01:36:01 PM
And what relevance did this have to your post? :unsure:
Why so obtuse garbo? People tend to forget that Canada produces much besides oil and hockey players, so we like to toot our own horn about stuff like this. :)
Sad.
Quote from: garbon on January 05, 2015, 01:36:01 PM
And what relevance did this have to your post? :unsure:
Starting the New Year off with the same old Grab On routine. Excellent.
Yeah, I was the only person who asked that question of you.
Canada sucks.
Oh canada!
Ok. :)
I went to a hockey (developed in Canada) game last Saturday :)
I like Don Cherry (developed in Canada)
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 05, 2015, 12:30:51 PM
Put it this way- if the vaccine was developed in the US, I wouldn't feel the need to mention that every time I brought it up. :P
Weird. Every time I talk on the telephone I say 'hello, thanks for using this American invented form of communication'.
Quote from: Valmy on January 06, 2015, 04:28:46 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 05, 2015, 12:30:51 PM
Put it this way- if the vaccine was developed in the US, I wouldn't feel the need to mention that every time I brought it up. :P
Weird. Every time I talk on the telephone I say 'hello thank for using this American invented form of communication'.
As well you should. Remind people we didn't *just* invent torture and racism. We developed some good stuff as well.
Quote from: Valmy on January 06, 2015, 04:28:46 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 05, 2015, 12:30:51 PM
Put it this way- if the vaccine was developed in the US, I wouldn't feel the need to mention that every time I brought it up. :P
Weird. Every time I talk on the telephone I say 'hello, thanks for using this American invented form of communication'.
Also, we invented the missionary position.
Quote from: Valmy on January 06, 2015, 04:28:46 PM
Every time I talk on the telephone I say 'hello, thanks for using this American invented form of communication'.
sbr just deleted it halfway though your sentence and emailed you back, asking you what you want.
Did Martinus cure ebola, or have I missed something? Something about Canada?
Quote from: Norgy on January 06, 2015, 05:02:13 PM
Did Martinus cure ebola, or have I missed something? Something about Canada?
Thread summation: Timmay sucks, Marti sucks, the news media sucks, and Canada sucks but did cure Ebola. However, the US bought the cure from them and probably won't let anybody else use it.
Quote from: derspiess on January 06, 2015, 04:31:22 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 06, 2015, 04:28:46 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 05, 2015, 12:30:51 PM
Put it this way- if the vaccine was developed in the US, I wouldn't feel the need to mention that every time I brought it up. :P
Weird. Every time I talk on the telephone I say 'hello thank for using this American invented form of communication'.
As well you should. Remind people we didn't *just* invent torture and racism. We developed some good stuff as well.
What has America ever done for us?
Quote from: alfred russel on January 06, 2015, 04:58:47 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 06, 2015, 04:28:46 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 05, 2015, 12:30:51 PM
Put it this way- if the vaccine was developed in the US, I wouldn't feel the need to mention that every time I brought it up. :P
Weird. Every time I talk on the telephone I say 'hello, thanks for using this American invented form of communication'.
Also, we invented the missionary position.
Aren't you people bunch of cinephiles? No one got the reference?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 06, 2015, 05:00:13 PM
sbr just deleted it halfway though your sentence and emailed you back, asking you what you want.
^_^
Quote from: Martinus on January 07, 2015, 04:22:47 AM
Quote from: derspiess on January 06, 2015, 04:31:22 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 06, 2015, 04:28:46 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 05, 2015, 12:30:51 PM
Put it this way- if the vaccine was developed in the US, I wouldn't feel the need to mention that every time I brought it up. :P
Weird. Every time I talk on the telephone I say 'hello thank for using this American invented form of communication'.
As well you should. Remind people we didn't *just* invent torture and racism. We developed some good stuff as well.
What has America ever done for us?
The aquaducts?
Quote from: Norgy on January 07, 2015, 10:34:50 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 07, 2015, 04:22:47 AM
Quote from: derspiess on January 06, 2015, 04:31:22 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 06, 2015, 04:28:46 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 05, 2015, 12:30:51 PM
Put it this way- if the vaccine was developed in the US, I wouldn't feel the need to mention that every time I brought it up. :P
Weird. Every time I talk on the telephone I say 'hello thank for using this American invented form of communication'.
As well you should. Remind people we didn't *just* invent torture and racism. We developed some good stuff as well.
What has America ever done for us?
The aquaducts?
Nah, that was the Romans. Along with sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health. :P
Steamships. Light bulbs. The airplane. Microwave ovens.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 07, 2015, 12:30:37 PM
Steamships. Light bulbs. The airplane. Microwave ovens.
Nuclear warfare too, but the world seems rather ungrateful on that score.
We may have given Japan a couple bombs, but the secrets of how to make more were taken from us. :mad:
Quote from: Martinus on January 07, 2015, 04:22:47 AM
What has America ever done for us?
Because of us you have Reagan (developed in the US) statues in Poland!
495 health care workers have lost their lives, a devastating loss, that will cripple the areas health care system for many years to come.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/ebola-kills-nearly-500-health-care-workers-n281801
Also fewer people to take care of, which mitigates that loss a little.
Quote from: derspiess on January 07, 2015, 08:12:33 PM
Also fewer people to take care of, which mitigates that loss a little.
--derspiess, Sr VP, Public Relations
Dead Nigger Storage, Inc.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2015, 09:19:45 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 07, 2015, 08:12:33 PM
Also fewer people to take care of, which mitigates that loss a little.
--derspiess, Sr VP, Public Relations
Dead Nigger Storage, Inc.
He always sees the "silver" lining.
Human testing of Canadian Made vaccine resume in Switzerland.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/halted-swiss-study-of-canadian-ebola-vaccine-resumes-with-lower-dose/article22317965/
:P
Well yes they had already said it was going to start up again when we had our discussion on Monday. :P
The important thing is it was made in Canada. That cannot be stressed enough.
Quote from: derspiess on January 07, 2015, 01:26:30 PM
Quote from: Martinus on January 07, 2015, 04:22:47 AM
What has America ever done for us?
Because of us you have Reagan (developed in the US) statues in Poland!
I was making a Life of Brian call back. ;)
But yeah, besides him, the only presidents who have a square named after them in Warsaw are Roosevelt, Wilson and De Gaulle. :P