A win's a win. :showoff:
QuoteNFL Point Spreads For Week 15
Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
12/14 1:00 ET At Kansas City -10 Oakland
12/14 1:00 ET At Baltimore -13.5 Jacksonville
12/14 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -2 At Atlanta
12/14 1:00 ET At Indianapolis -6.5 Houston
12/14 1:00 ET At Cleveland -1 Cincinnati
12/14 1:00 ET At New England -7.5 Miami
12/14 1:00 ET At Carolina -3 Tampa Bay
12/14 1:00 ET At NY Giants -6.5 Washington
12/14 1:00 ET Green Bay -5 At Buffalo
12/14 4:25 ET At Detroit -8 Minnesota
12/14 4:05 ET NY Jets -2.5 At Tennessee
12/14 4:05 ET Denver -4 At San Diego
12/14 4:25 ET At Seattle -10 San Francisco
12/14 8:30 ET At Philadephia -3.5 Dallas
Monday Night Football Point Spread
12/15 8:30 ET New Orleans -3 At Chicago
thanks for the reminder, sbr. Cards 12, Rams half as much.
That KC-Oakland spread is pretty bold. Sure, it's the Raiders, but it's divisional, even if it's at Arrowhead. And the only time the Raiders can play properly is when they're playing meaningless games for pride.
The Baltimore-Jacksonville one I don't mind as much, because the Jags are really bad. One thing that the Ravens used to do that drove me berserk was to play down to competition, which led to some pretty embarrassing losses against bad teams like Jacksonville and Seattle. Harbaugh has really cleaned that up over time, so now when the Ravens face a bad team, they beat them up for three quarters.
Fivethirtyeight seems to be projecting the AFC North to send three teams to the playoffs. I can see Cincinnati maybe finishing 9-6-1, but I'm not too hopeful that the right teams will lose to give them the 6th spot. I'd take it, though.
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Quote from: Neil on December 12, 2014, 08:54:24 AM
One thing that the Ravens used to do that drove me berserk was to play down to competition, which led to some pretty embarrassing losses against bad teams like Jacksonville and Seattle. Harbaugh has really cleaned that up over time, so now when the Ravens face a bad team, they beat them up for three quarters.
That's the Steelers' thing now. Which I guess is why they're only favored by 2 in Atlanta.
Oh and against my better judgment I'm going to the game in Cleveland this weekend. With their last home game of the season and Manziel's first start, the stadium will be packed with delusional fans.
LOL, delusion: destroyed
Ravens tried their best to stay out of the playoffs, but Jacksonville simply wouldn't cooperate. 8 sacks, but two more body bags in the secondary. I understand Ravens scouting personnel will be cruising bus stops this week for DBs.
People need to know that Buffalo is not a team to fuck with in December...and WTF has happened to the Dolphins in two weeks?
Stupid Falcons. Stupid Steelheads.
I'm more worried about Denver. If they don't put away the filthy, worthless Chargers, I will be disappointed.
Fitz broke his ankle. Savage took a shot to the knee and will be having an MRI. The Texans may be down to #4, Thad Lewis, plus whatever FA(s?) they can sign to back him up.
While I sympathize with the Texans, I'm glad that they won't have an experienced QB to shred the Home Depot employees that will be manning the Ravens' secondary next week, but rather an inexperienced guy who will get wrecked by the pass rush.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 14, 2014, 05:30:06 PM
People need to know that Buffalo is not a team to fuck with in December...and WTF has happened to the Dolphins in two weeks?
Joe Philbin == Norv Turner
One thing I really enjoyed was the Bengals destruction of the Browns. Maybe I won't ever have to hear about Manziel again.
LOL, Tony "Are those footsteps behind *BLAM*" Romo.
Cleveland fans were making that stupid-ass Manziel money gesture well into the 3rd quarter. They finally gave up in the 4th. Also fun to see the defense talking shit back to the fans during that long final offensive drive.
Near perfect game. Dalton was crap for a while but if they can figure out a way to run the ball like that more it won't matter.
Cardinals are in the playoffs baby. :cheers: Of course they will lose in their first game.
Quote from: sbr on December 15, 2014, 12:13:55 AM
Cardinals are in the playoffs baby. :cheers: Of course they will lose in their first game.
Heck, by the time the playoffs get here, you might be their starting QB.
:lol: No shit.
It's pretty funny that Kurt Warner actually thought about coming back (for a few seconds) when Stanton got hurt.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000443049/article/kurt-warner-considered-return-to-cards-ruled-it-out
sbr has a chance for a 2nd consecutive title in the LFFL when the final takes place next week.
Quote from: Neil on December 14, 2014, 06:35:27 PM
While I sympathize with the Texans, I'm glad that they won't have an experienced QB to shred the Home Depot employees that will be manning the Ravens' secondary next week, but rather an inexperienced guy who will get wrecked by the pass rush.
Looks like they're bringing Keenum back.
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 15, 2014, 08:09:45 AM
sbr has a chance for a 2nd consecutive title in the LFFL when the final takes place next week.
Shush, I was trying to sneak up on it. :ph34r:
Gotta boost the brand.
Quote from: sbr on December 15, 2014, 01:55:28 AM
:lol: No shit.
It's pretty funny that Kurt Warner actually thought about coming back (for a few seconds) when Stanton got hurt.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000443049/article/kurt-warner-considered-return-to-cards-ruled-it-out
Jared Lorenzen has apparently offered his services :lol:
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DeMarco Murray is having surgery today for a broken bone in his left hand. Supposedly Emmitt Smith had the same injury and missed one game.
I watched a bit of some NFL Films dealy about the Kurt Warner Cardinals. I had no idea Larry Fitzgerald has been in the league that long.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 15, 2014, 04:14:14 PM
I watched a bit of some NFL Films dealy about the Kurt Warner Cardinals. I had no idea Larry Fitzgerald has been in the league that long.
Feels like ages since I watched him play at Pitt, so yeah it seems about right.
Giants win the alternatively advantaged person fight against the Washington Football Team of Native Hue.
Leaving me with the impossible task of figuring out who between Dallas and Philly I wanted to lose more.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 15, 2014, 04:57:49 PM
Giants win the alternatively advantaged person fight against the Washington Football Team of Native Hue.
Leaving me with the impossible task of figuring out who between Dallas and Philly I wanted to lose more.
Philly has Independence Hall. That makes it a better town than Dallas, so root for them ahead of the Cowboys.
Thank you, Cutler.
Quote from: derspiess on December 15, 2014, 01:56:25 PM
Jared Lorenzen has apparently offered his services :lol:
Dude has 1 more ring than Larry Fitzgerald. Couldn't hurt.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 15, 2014, 04:57:49 PM
Giants win the alternatively advantaged person fight against the Washington Football Team of Native Hue.
Leaving me with the impossible task of figuring out who between Dallas and Philly I wanted to lose more.
I decided that the 'Chip-Kelly-blur-offence-Sanchise' hype is less annoying than the 'America's-Team-new-triplets' hype.
Quote from: derspiess on December 15, 2014, 10:41:02 PM
Thank you, Cutler.
Coach-killer is going to get another guy shitcanned. He's like the opposite of a system quarterback, because any system he's in will fail.
Oh man...Trent, Steve and Ray are holding a fucking tribunal on All Things Cutler. :lol:
Isn't he in the first year of a five year deal? :yeahright:
I really like Young and Dilfer's post game analysis, they do not hold back on anything or anyone. Lewis wasn't as terrible as usual tonight, I actually enjoyed listening to him.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 16, 2014, 12:19:41 AM
Isn't he in the first year of a five year deal? :yeahright:
Yeah, he just got extended. That would be a ton of dead money
Quote from: sbr on December 16, 2014, 12:21:08 AM
I really like Young and Dilfer's post game analysis, they do not hold back on anything or anyone. Lewis wasn't as terrible as usual tonight, I actually enjoyed listening to him.
Unfortunately we don't get that in Canada, but I like their pre-game work. It's nice that ESPN can afford so much on-air talent, but if they had to just have a studio group of Boomer, Steve, Trent and TJ. I like Ditka, but he's been getting less and less involved ever since his stroke. Boomer almost has to cue all his lines now. Keyshawn is pretty pointless, and rarely has anything of interst to say. Cris isn't my favorite, but he's not as bad as Keyshawn, and I think Ray has been improving a lot as he learns how to be a broadcaster, so one of them could fill another chair.
Ray is getting better, but I still don't like him; though I'm not sure I could ever really like him as an analyst. Just the way he speaks irritates me.
Can't believe Cutler got me enough points to win and carry me to the Championship! :w00t:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 16, 2014, 05:37:07 AM
Can't believe Cutler got me enough points to win and carry me to the Championship! :w00t:
I can't believe I had the best season so far and won the division only to have Manning fuck me in the first round of the playoffs.
Oh wait, I can believe that.
"Boffo Bernie Blasts Berea Bozos!"--
VarietyQuoteKosar: 'Makes me want to throw up'
ESPN
BEREA, Ohio -- Former Cleveland Browns quarterback Bernie Kosar said an "uneducated" front office is responsible for the debacle that took place in Sunday's loss to the Cincinnati Bengals.
"They don't know how to lead and organize and set a culture for doing what you have to do to play winning NFL football," Kosar told WTAM 1100 in Cleveland, where he is a regular guest on the station's shows.
Kosar said too many people with the team are talking about too many things other than their jobs, which deflects attention from what needs to be done to have a team focused solely on winning.
"It makes me want to throw up," Kosar said. "That's the results you get when you do that stuff."
One example from Kosar: when quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains received a text from Johnny Manziel during the draft in May asking the Browns to draft him because he wanted to "wreck this league" in Cleveland. Loggains told an Arkansas radio station that he forwarded the message to owner Jimmy Haslam, general manager Ray Farmer and coach Mike Pettine. Manziel was drafted soon after.
"That's funny and a good story," Kosar said. "But that's not acceptable. That can't happen. ... If you're a quarterback coach, you're going to coach the guys we're going to get you."
The Browns declined to comment on Kosar's remarks, which weren't his first of 2014 to draw headlines.
In April, after being taken off the Browns' preseason broadcasts, on which he had been the color commentator in past years, he took the decision to another level by saying he was removed because of his slurred speech impairment, which he said is "a direct result of the many concussions I received while playing in the NFL."
The decision could also have been attributed in part to the combination of Kosar making some controversial statements about the Rams in 2013 and a DUI that Kosar received in October 2013. He later pled no contest to reckless operation.
Kosar, in the week leading up to Manziel's first start, also said that too many people not dealing with the quarterback position were discussing it. Kosar said he heard too much of people "giggling" and talking about being excited to see what Manziel would do, and too little about people focusing on their jobs.
He added that Manziel was in a tough spot with his first start and that created quarterback controversies "takes heat off [the front office] and gives people a glimmer of hope in the future."
He pointed out it has happened for 15 years, naming Browns quarterbacks since 1999 who went through the same grinder as Brian Hoyer and Manziel this year -- including Tim Couch, Brady Quinn and others.
"The issue is systemically, from a culture in Berea, they've got to get it together," he said. "I don't know anyone who can be consistently successful in winning within this culture and within this organization right now. You just can't play football like this.
"The names change, and the way we do this as a culture above them is the same."
He said he was not blaming players or Pettine, who was hired into this system. Instead he pointed to a system that created an environment that allows these things to happen.
"You can't put these kids in these spots," Kosar said. "It's almost abuse."
If the situation doesn't change, the on-field results will not change, he said.
"If you keep running it the way you're running it, you may as well do nothing," Kosar said. "Because you're going to kill two more kids coming in here. It will fail."
Kosar added that he has been answering quarterback questions for 15 years and will continue to answer them as long as the Browns' culture stays constant.
"I've had a headache for 15 years," he said. "And it's getting worse."
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 16, 2014, 05:37:07 AM
Can't believe Cutler got me enough points to win and carry me to the Championship! :w00t:
Yeah, you can thank the magic of garbage time for that. He was pretty much negative points up til that. Congrats, anyway.
Surely things can't be that bad in Cleveland. They were the toast of the football world for the first half of the season, and the only really big mistake they made this year was starting the wrong guy at QB last week.
To be fair, Hoyer had been sliding for a few weeks. But then given what he did to the Bengals in Cincy, one would think they would have given him at least one more game last week. Plus they were still in the playoff hunt.
I guess the ownership wanted to get the Manziel era, whatever that will mean, started while they still had a home game to play. It did fill the stadium, but cost them a shot to remain in the playoff picture.
Would be shitty for the Brownies if they finished 7-9 after having been 7-4.
Bernie was sober enough to make a statement? SHOCKA
Uh oh.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 16, 2014, 04:52:11 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 16, 2014, 04:51:29 PM
Uh oh.
I like Kosar. But the man is a drunk. There.
The man's had 8 to 10 jaw fractures in his career, and will need surgeries for his back, foot and elbow later in life, on top of all the ones he's already had. He's fortunate he's not breaking in neighbor's homes to steal their Vikes like you. :mad:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 16, 2014, 04:55:23 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 16, 2014, 04:52:11 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 16, 2014, 04:51:29 PM
Uh oh.
I like Kosar. But the man is a drunk. There.
The man's had 8 to 10 jaw fractures in his career, and will need surgeries for his back, foot and elbow later in life, on top of all the ones he's already had. He's fortunate he's not breaking in neighbor's homes to steal their Vikes like you. :mad:
Calm down spaz.
Told ya.
I'll live.
http://deadspin.com/frank-caliendo-does-the-night-before-christmas-as-10-1673169452