NFL Week 15: As messy as Week 14...and Week 13.

[Neil]

Thank you, Cutler.

Coach-killer is going to get another guy shitcanned.  He's like the opposite of a system quarterback, because any system he's in will fail.

[CountDeMoney]

Oh man...Trent, Steve and Ray are holding a fucking tribunal on All Things Cutler. 

[Admiral Yi]

Isn't he in the first year of a five year deal? 

[sbr]

I really like Young and Dilfer's post game analysis, they do not hold back on anything or anyone.  Lewis wasn't as terrible as usual tonight, I actually enjoyed listening to him.

[Neil]

Isn't he in the first year of a five year deal? 

Yeah, he just got extended.  That would be a ton of dead money

[Neil]

I really like Young and Dilfer's post game analysis, they do not hold back on anything or anyone.  Lewis wasn't as terrible as usual tonight, I actually enjoyed listening to him.

Unfortunately we don't get that in Canada, but I like their pre-game work.  It's nice that ESPN can afford so much on-air talent, but if they had to just have a studio group of Boomer, Steve, Trent and TJ.  I like Ditka, but he's been getting less and less involved ever since his stroke.  Boomer almost has to cue all his lines now.  Keyshawn is pretty pointless, and rarely has anything of interst to say.  Cris isn't my favorite, but he's not as bad as Keyshawn, and I think Ray has been improving a lot as he learns how to be a broadcaster, so one of them could fill another chair.

[sbr]

Ray is getting better, but I still don't like him; though I'm not sure I could ever really like him as an analyst.  Just the way he speaks irritates me.

[jimmy olsen]

Can't believe Cutler got me enough points to win and carry me to the Championship!

[Liep]

Can't believe Cutler got me enough points to win and carry me to the Championship!

I can't believe I had the best season so far and won the division only to have Manning fuck me in the first round of the playoffs.

Oh wait, I can believe that.

[CountDeMoney]

"Boffo Bernie Blasts Berea Bozos!"--Variety

Kosar: 'Makes me want to throw up'
ESPN

BEREA, Ohio -- Former Cleveland Browns quarterback Bernie Kosar said an "uneducated" front office is responsible for the debacle that took place in Sunday's loss to the Cincinnati Bengals.

"They don't know how to lead and organize and set a culture for doing what you have to do to play winning NFL football," Kosar told WTAM 1100 in Cleveland, where he is a regular guest on the station's shows.

Kosar said too many people with the team are talking about too many things other than their jobs, which deflects attention from what needs to be done to have a team focused solely on winning.

"It makes me want to throw up," Kosar said. "That's the results you get when you do that stuff."

One example from Kosar: when quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains received a text from Johnny Manziel during the draft in May asking the Browns to draft him because he wanted to "wreck this league" in Cleveland. Loggains told an Arkansas radio station that he forwarded the message to owner Jimmy Haslam, general manager Ray Farmer and coach Mike Pettine. Manziel was drafted soon after.

"That's funny and a good story," Kosar said. "But that's not acceptable. That can't happen. ... If you're a quarterback coach, you're going to coach the guys we're going to get you."

The Browns declined to comment on Kosar's remarks, which weren't his first of 2014 to draw headlines.

In April, after being taken off the Browns' preseason broadcasts, on which he had been the color commentator in past years, he took the decision to another level by saying he was removed because of his slurred speech impairment, which he said is "a direct result of the many concussions I received while playing in the NFL."

The decision could also have been attributed in part to the combination of Kosar making some controversial statements about the Rams in 2013 and a DUI that Kosar received in October 2013. He later pled no contest to reckless operation.

Kosar, in the week leading up to Manziel's first start, also said that too many people not dealing with the quarterback position were discussing it. Kosar said he heard too much of people "giggling" and talking about being excited to see what Manziel would do, and too little about people focusing on their jobs.

He added that Manziel was in a tough spot with his first start and that created quarterback controversies "takes heat off [the front office] and gives people a glimmer of hope in the future."

He pointed out it has happened for 15 years, naming Browns quarterbacks since 1999 who went through the same grinder as Brian Hoyer and Manziel this year -- including Tim Couch, Brady Quinn and others.

"The issue is systemically, from a culture in Berea, they've got to get it together," he said. "I don't know anyone who can be consistently successful in winning within this culture and within this organization right now. You just can't play football like this.

"The names change, and the way we do this as a culture above them is the same."

He said he was not blaming players or Pettine, who was hired into this system. Instead he pointed to a system that created an environment that allows these things to happen.

"You can't put these kids in these spots," Kosar said. "It's almost abuse."

If the situation doesn't change, the on-field results will not change, he said.

"If you keep running it the way you're running it, you may as well do nothing," Kosar said. "Because you're going to kill two more kids coming in here. It will fail."

Kosar added that he has been answering quarterback questions for 15 years and will continue to answer them as long as the Browns' culture stays constant.

"I've had a headache for 15 years," he said. "And it's getting worse."

[derspiess]

Can't believe Cutler got me enough points to win and carry me to the Championship!

Yeah, you can thank the magic of garbage time for that.  He was pretty much negative points up til that.  Congrats, anyway.

[Neil]

Surely things can't be that bad in Cleveland.  They were the toast of the football world for the first half of the season, and the only really big mistake they made this year was starting the wrong guy at QB last week.

[derspiess]

To be fair, Hoyer had been sliding for a few weeks.  But then given what he did to the Bengals in Cincy, one would think they would have given him at least one more game last week.  Plus they were still in the playoff hunt.

I guess the ownership wanted to get the Manziel era, whatever that will mean, started while they still had a home game to play.  It did fill the stadium, but cost them a shot to remain in the playoff picture.

Would be shitty for the Brownies if they finished 7-9 after having been 7-4.

[Ed Anger]

Bernie was sober enough to make a statement? SHOCKA

[derspiess]

Uh oh.