:(
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31208188/
Quoteupdated 5 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - An elderly gunman exchanged fire with security guards inside the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum on Wednesday. One security guard and the gunman were taken to a hospital with life-threatening injuries.
Law enforcement officials identified the suspect as James Wenneker von Brunn, 88, from the Eastern Shore of Maryland, NBC News reported. NBC said he may have had connections to hate groups or anti-government groups.
D.C. police spokeswoman Traci Hughes said the suspect walked into the museum at about 12:50 p.m. ET with a rifle and shot a guard. U.S. Park Police Sgt. David Schlosser says one or more guards at the museum returned fire, hitting the suspect.
D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier said the suspect immediately began shooting his rifle as he entered the museum. The FBI said it had no earlier reports of threats against the museum.
Gunman in critical condition
Authorities said the gunman was in critical condition and the security guard was in grave condition. Both were taken to George Washington University Hospital.
A third person reportedly was hurt after being cut by broken glass.
Von Brunn is believed to have had contact with law enforcement in the past, according to NBC. A D.C. Superior Court jury convicted a man by the same name in 1983 of attempting to kidnap members of the Federal Reserve Board.
The case involved a 1981 incident in which police arrested Von Brunn at the board's headquarters carrying several weapons. He was convicted and later released from federal prison in 1989, records show.
At a Wednesday afternoon press conference, officials declined to publicly confirm Von Brunn is their suspect.
According to Joseph Persichini, assistant director in charge of the Washington FBI field office, authorities have dispatched people to a suspect's home to check his computer. He said they are investigating this as a possible hate crime or domestic terrorism.
A racist, anti-Semitic Web site called http://www.holywesternempire.org and a book called "Kill the Best Gentile" were attributed to von Brunn.
White House reaction
The White House said President Barack Obama was saddened by the shooting and concerned about the wounded guard.
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said he told Obama about the shooting on Wednesday afternoon. Gibbs later told reporters that he gave Obama the facts as they were known at the time, shortly after shots were fired.
Gibbs says White House officials are receiving regular updates from the FBI, the Homeland Security Council and the White House Situation Room.
The museum normally has a heavy security presence with guards positioned both inside and outside. All visitors are required to pass through metal detectors at the entrance, and bags are screened.
It was not immediately known whether the gunman made it through the detectors before opening fire.
The museum, located just off the National Mall near the Washington Monument, is a popular tourist attraction. It draws about 1.7 million visitors each year.
Roads surrounding the museum have been closed and blocked off with yellow tape. Several police cars and officers on horses surround the area.
Schlosser said park police SWAT teams are doing a secondary sweep of the building, but they don't believe there is another gunman.
Students heard several shots
Sandy Perkins of Massachusetts said her daughter, Abigail, called her shortly after the shooting. The teen was on a school trip to the museum and told her mother students heard several shots before they were told to leave the building.
Abigail said some of her friends were very shaken, but all were otherwise fine, Sandy Perkins said.
The teens did not see where the shots were coming from.
Linda Elston, who is visiting the museum from Nevada City, Calif., says she was on the lower level of the museum watching a film when she and others were told to evacuate.
"It was totally full of people," Elston said. "It took us awhile to get out."
She said she didn't hear any shots and didn't immediately know why there was an evacuation leaving her feeling "a little anxious."
The Embassy of Israel in Washington said it was "shocked and saddened" by the shooting in a statement.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations also released a statement:
"We condemn this apparent bias-motivated attack and stand with the Jewish community and with Americans of all faiths in repudiating the kind of hatred and intolerance that can lead to such disturbing incidents."
NBC News correspondent Pete Williams contributed to this report from The Associated Press.
They've come to finish the job? :huh:
Quote from: Malthus on June 10, 2009, 02:47:11 PM
They've come to finish the job? :huh:
:lol:
OTTO SKORENZY RETURNS!
Quote from: Malthus on June 10, 2009, 02:47:11 PM
They've come to finish the job? :huh:
They didn't choose a very smart place to start.
Kinda surprised this never happened before, actually...
The guard has died. :(
A news video on the attack.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31209256#31208486
Quote
The Council on American-Islamic Relations also released a statement:
Who cares?
Fucking Germans.
Right wing terrorists strike again. :(
The guy seems to be a real winner.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/livecoverage/2009/06/details_on_white_supremacist_s.html
I agree that we Jews like to fart in business meetings alot, but this is just wierd:
QuoteThe Holocaust must be viewed in context against the background of world history, the Torah, the Talmud, and Rothschild's World Revolutionary Movement," Von Brunn wrote. In his 1999 book, Adolf Hitler "led Germany to an amazing spiritual and economic recovery" and Jews "embed themselves among their cattle and suck their vital juices undetected."
:(
I would like to subscribe to the Jew newsletter.
My spidey-sense is tingling with the "suicide by cop" emanations coming from this story.
I loved this bit. :lol:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/10/james-w-von-brunn-holocau_n_213864.html
QuoteFrom his bio on the website Holy Western Empire:
"In 1981 Von Brunn attempted to place the treasonous Federal Reserve Board of Governors under legal, non-violent, citizens arrest"
This is very unusual behavior from a white terrorist.
Quote from: Jaron on June 10, 2009, 06:09:46 PM
This is very unusual behavior from a white terrorist.
Yep. No bomb, no ropes, no hoods. I am beginning to doubt this guy was white at all.
Jews need guns. Like gays.
http://washingtonindependent.com/46097/pro-gun-gay-groups-take-aim-at-hate-crimes-bill
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:ph34r:
Anyway, this story proves that nazi terrorists fail to assimilate into the American culture and adopt Western values, even in subsequent generations born on the US soil. We should deport Hansmeister to his country of origin. :(
Quote from: Martinus on June 10, 2009, 06:15:01 PM
Jews need guns. Like gays.
http://washingtonindependent.com/46097/pro-gun-gay-groups-take-aim-at-hate-crimes-bill
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:ph34r:
No, armed gays don't get bashed. They get shot in the back. :P
Quote from: Martinus on June 10, 2009, 06:15:01 PM
Jews need guns. Like gays.
http://washingtonindependent.com/46097/pro-gun-gay-groups-take-aim-at-hate-crimes-bill
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:ph34r:
Pudgy gays have to find something to fill in for their lack of sex.
I have to admit that's pretty great. Didn't know Smith and Wesson was the favored gay gun. Night sights too...
Quote from: Queequeg on June 10, 2009, 06:47:49 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 10, 2009, 06:15:01 PM
Jews need guns. Like gays.
http://washingtonindependent.com/46097/pro-gun-gay-groups-take-aim-at-hate-crimes-bill
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:ph34r:
Pudgy gays have to find something to fill in for their lack of sex.
That looks more like a lesbian to me. You don't want to cross a lesbian with a gun. Pudgy or not. :P
I thought dyke as well. Either that or a pudgy chinaman boy.
Quote from: Jaron on June 10, 2009, 06:19:46 PM
They get shot in the back. :P
That's nothing new...unless you are Martinus. ;)
Quote from: Martinus on June 10, 2009, 06:17:57 PM
Anyway, this story proves that nazi terrorists fail to assimilate into the American culture and adopt Western values, even in subsequent generations born on the US soil. We should deport Hansmeister to his country of origin. :(
Do you really want us to leave that in your backyard? ;)
Quote from: Martinus on June 10, 2009, 06:15:01 PM
Jews need guns. Like gays.
http://washingtonindependent.com/46097/pro-gun-gay-groups-take-aim-at-hate-crimes-bill
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:ph34r:
They are,
http://languish.org/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=134
we worry.
Ah yes, another famous Marylander.
QuoteSuspect has deep Maryland ties, history of anti-Semitic activities
By Scott Calvert, Brent Jones and Paul West
Baltimore Sun reporters
June 11, 2009
James von Brunn, the 88-year-old Annapolis resident suspected of killing a security guard Wednesday at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, was no stranger to groups that track the world of racially motivated hatred.
The Anti-Defamation League labeled him "a longtime white supremacist and anti-Semite" who self-published a book espousing racist beliefs and posted to Web sites that deny the Holocaust occurred.
"Time to FLUSH all 'Holocaust' Memorials," read one of his posts in 2004, according to the league.
Yet those watchdogs said Wednesday they had no reason to expect what happened yesterday, when, police say, von Brunn - a once-successful artist with deep Maryland ties - walked into the museum at 12:50 p.m. and fatally shot guard Stephen T. Johns.
"We are aware of his past, but he's not a name that immediately came to mind," said Arthur C. Abramson, executive director of the Baltimore Jewish Council.
A World War II veteran and former advertising man, von Brunn's 1950 wedding to the daughter of a novelist garnered a mention in The New York Times. He once illustrated a book on 19th-century quail and grouse hunting, and expressed deep pride in his German-Austrian roots.
And as Wednesday showed, von Brunn could be "the worst nightmare that law enforcement has," said David Friedman, director of the ADL's Washington office. "He's an individual who is highly motivated by hate, who is functioning essentially, to our knowledge, on his own, who without any warning, goes off."
Despite von Brunn's "vociferous" expression of his views, Friedman said, "no one knew that he was going to, for whatever reason, engage in not simply hating but acting out on his hate."
An acquaintance of von Brunn's told The Washington Post that he was struggling financially after his Social Security payments were cut, and von Brunn suspected it was due to the views he shared online. In an e-mail obtained by the newspaper, von Brunn wrote, "It's time to kill all the Jews."
Records show that he had long resided in Easton, a historic town on the Eastern Shore. For the past two years, records show, he has lived in Annapolis.
Two years ago, von Brunn confided he needed income when he asked Mike Weller for work at his Easton manufacturing business. "He looked down-and-out," Weller said, "very scraggly looking."
Harold O'Llynnger, 82, who lives across from von Brunn at an Annapolis apartment complex, said he and his girlfriend had him over for a drink three months ago. Asked if he made racist comments, O'Llynnger said, "The only thing he said was that the media covered the Holocaust too much."
But O'Llynnger's girlfriend was so appalled by the comment that she left the apartment, he said.
Nearly three decades ago, von Brunn committed an act that bore similarities to Wednesday's shooting, albeit with no injuries. In December 1981, he walked into the Federal Reserve Board's Washington headquarters with weapons and a plan to confront the bank's governors, according to news accounts.
Carrying a revolver, a hunting knife and a sawed-off shotgun in a satchel, von Brunn raced past a guard to the second floor, where the board was meeting. He pulled the shotgun on another guard in the corridor leading to the boardroom.
The guard called for help, and von Brunn was overpowered before anyone got hurt. News accounts said he told police he wanted to focus attention on the board's responsibility for high interest rates and the overall poor state of the economy.
He was convicted in 1983 of attempted kidnapping of board members, among other charges. He served more than six years in prison.
Von Brunn later asserted on an anti-Semitic Web site he created that he had "attempted to place the treasonous Federal Reserve Board of Governors under legal, non-violent, citizens arrest."
To some who knew him, von Brunn's racial hatred was all-consuming. A woman identified as von Brunn's ex-wife told the New York Daily News on Wednesday that "it's all he would talk about." The woman, who asked the newspaper not to identify her, said he would become "very angry and abusive" when she questioned him.
"He would talk about what the world would become in 20 or 30 years - that most of the country would be governed by black governors and that the Jewish people owned the media," she said. "That's why I divorced him - because he was eaten alive with a cancer with this matter."
Von Brunn once arrived at a downtown Easton art gallery after observing the wedding of a mixed-race couple nearby, and he was livid, said Troika Gallery co-owner Laura Era.
"He was furious about that," Era said. This happened not long after the gallery opened 12 years ago. "It was not good behavior to have in a fine art gallery. We told him he can't talk that way in here."
Von Brunn asked the gallery to display the patriotic art he had painted - his motifs included bald eagles, American flags and cowboys - but the owners rejected his request. The art was "not demonic or vile," Era said, just not "up to the quality that we would carry" in the gallery.
"He got very angry and went stalking out," she said.
His Maryland ties go back to 1950, when he married Patricia Beverley-Giddings, whose family owned an Eastern Shore farm. (She was not the ex-wife quoted by the Daily News.) His wife's father, Arthur Beverley-Giddings, was a novelist with homes in New York and Schoolridge Farm in Somerset County.
In 1963, a Baltimore Sun article reported on his elevation to president of the Academy of the Arts in Easton. That year's show featured two of his paintings. Both were of tidewater scenes in Talbot County - "his favorite subject matter," according to the article. One showed watermen preparing for a day on the water. In an accompanying photo, a smiling von Brunn is wearing a bow tie, his hair swept back.
Five years later, in 1968, von Brunn was sentenced to six months in the Dorchester county jail for assaulting a sheriff, according to a Sun article.
Von Brunn, living in Trappe at the time, was arrested after police said he drove across a restaurant lawn and failed a sobriety test. Von Brunn hit the sheriff because he did not want his picture taken while being booked, the article said.
The article said von Brunn was an alumnus of Washington University in his native St. Louis, and served in World War II as a Navy lieutenant. He was working for the New York advertising firm Benton & Bowles Inc. at the time.
On Web sites, von Brunn has proudly detailed his German-Austrian roots. His father, Elmer, was superintendent of a Missouri steel mill, he said, and his mother, Hope Wenneker von Brunn, was a homemaker and an "accomplished pianist."
According to the Anti-Defamation League, von Brunn's "magnum opus" was a self-published anti-Semitic book called Kill the Best Gentiles. He has written many anti-Semitic essays and in recent years maintained an anti-Semitic Web site, holywesternempire.org.
Friedman, of the Anti-Defamation League, visits the Holocaust museum twice a week and helps conduct training sessions for many area police departments, including those in Baltimore and Baltimore County. "For people who are fueled by the hatred of Jews and the Holocaust," he said, "the terrible reality is that this museum is a symbol of what they hate most."
Baltimore Sun reporter Nicole Fuller and researcher Paul McCardell contributed to this article.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 10, 2009, 03:21:28 PM
The guard has died. :(
That's so sad. Just a guy doing his job, as is anyone doing a similar job, like a cop or such. :(
God, why do you have to make everything gay Mart? :boff:
Speaking of anti-semites, look who just popped up.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31246353/
QuoteWright says 'Jews' keeping him from Obama
President's former pastor hasn't spoken to Obama since he inauguration
updated 25 minutes ago
HAMPTON, Virginia - President Barack Obama's controversial former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is blaming "them Jews" for keeping him from speaking to the president.
Wright, the former pastor of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ, said he hasn't spoken to Obama since he became president.
"Them Jews ain't going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office," Wright told the Daily Press of Newport News following a Tuesday night sermon at the 95th annual Hampton University Ministers' Conference.
"They will not let him to talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is. ... I said from the beginning: He's a politician; I'm a pastor. He's got to do what politicians do."
Obama was a longtime member of the church but resigned from it and cut ties with Wright after videos surfaced during the presidential campaign showing Wright's sometimes provocative sermons. Wright's incendiary comment included shouting "God damn America" and accusing the government of creating AIDS.
In the interview Tuesday, Wright also criticized Obama for not sending a U.S. delegation to the World Conference on Racism held recently in Geneva, Switzerland, saying Obama chose not to for fear of offending Jews and Israel.
"Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing (by) the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel," Wright said.
The White House declined to comment to the Associated Press on Thursday on Wright's remarks. A phone message left by the AP at Wright's home wasn't immediately returned.
Copyright 2009 The Associated Press.
Quote"Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing (by) the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel," Wright said.
Poor Israel. Even when they forcibly expel their own settlers from someplace they are still ethnically cleansing Palestinians.
The blind hatred of Jews is just creepy.
Quote from: Valmy on June 11, 2009, 11:36:04 AM
Quote"Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing (by) the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel," Wright said.
Poor Israel. Even when they forcibly expel their own settlers from someplace they are still ethnically cleansing Palestinians.
The blind hatred of Jews is just creepy.
Yeah, and the trend seems for the hatred to be getting worse. :(
Quote from: KRonn on June 11, 2009, 11:39:47 AM
Yeah, and the trend seems for the hatred to be getting worse. :(
It just drives me nuts. Nobody was talking about Gaza until Israel actually did something good and pulled their people out. Now Gaza is used as a symbol of Jewish evil worldwide and we actually expect to get more concessions out of Israel? It is almost like some sort of demonic force has people doing everything they can to stop any progress in the Palestinian-Israel conflict.
I can get critisizing Israel when they do something bad, but Israel has taken far more shit for actually doing something positive than they ever did settling Gaza in the first place. Unbelievable.
And then these same fucks actually claim they care about Palestinians.
Yes, kind of concerning that Israel gets so much demonizing, while we see the radicals of the region getting more of a pass. And the radical type ideologies have been the ones most threatening the region, and/or spreading elsewhere. However, I think lately we see nations like Egypt and Saudi Arabia a lot more discerning about supporting Palestinians/Hamas, since Iran is a major backer of Hamas and Iran really concerns nations of the region, and that concern has been increasing.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 10, 2009, 03:37:42 PM
Left wing terrorists strike again. :(
Fixed that for you.
Yeah, holocaust denial and Jew hate are left wing hallmarks. :P
Quote from: Jaron on June 11, 2009, 04:02:41 PM
Yeah, holocaust denial and Jew hate are left wing hallmarks. :P
Yes, actually they are. Berkeley is famous for its anti-semitic rallies, and it ain't conservatives that march on that campus. Indeed, the whole divesture movement, "zionism is racism", "neocon" conspiracy mongering, and justifying terrorist attacks against jews is a hallmark of the left.
Von Brunn believed Bush was behind 9-11, hated Foxnews (particularly Bill O'Reilly), and opposed capitalism. He was an all-around loon but certainly more of a leftist on the ideological spectrum.
Oh yeah, guess which political party he was a registered member of. (Hint, the msm isn't reporting it.)
QuoteVon Brunn ... hated Foxnews (particularly Bill O'Reilly)
Guess he wasn't ALL bad then. ;)
Quote from: Hansmeister on June 11, 2009, 04:14:49 PM
Oh yeah, guess which political party he was a registered member of. (Hint, the msm isn't reporting it.)
I'm guessing he didn't vote Obama though.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 11, 2009, 04:17:04 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on June 11, 2009, 04:14:49 PM
Oh yeah, guess which political party he was a registered member of. (Hint, the msm isn't reporting it.)
I'm guessing he didn't vote Obama though.
I doubt it, he also believed Obama wasn't a US citizen. He also hated McCain and Hillary, so maybe he voted for Nager?
Palph Nager?
There is supposedly a page out there where the dude had an email spat with Tom Clancy. Von Brunn must have read Red Rabbit and spazzed.
Quote from: Hansmeister on June 11, 2009, 04:13:20 PM
Yes, actually they are. Berkeley is famous for its anti-semitic rallies, and it ain't conservatives that march on that campus. Indeed, the whole divesture movement, "zionism is racism", "neocon" conspiracy mongering, and justifying terrorist attacks against jews is a hallmark of the left.
Von Brunn believed Bush was behind 9-11, hated Foxnews (particularly Bill O'Reilly), and opposed capitalism. He was an all-around loon but certainly more of a leftist on the ideological spectrum.
Yeah people left and right rush to hate the Jews. Even leftwing Jews rush to hate themselves.
I really doubt a guy with that many extreme views would be placeable on the left or right ideological spectrum. After awhile you are just loony.
Quote from: Valmy on June 11, 2009, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on June 11, 2009, 04:13:20 PM
Yes, actually they are. Berkeley is famous for its anti-semitic rallies, and it ain't conservatives that march on that campus. Indeed, the whole divesture movement, "zionism is racism", "neocon" conspiracy mongering, and justifying terrorist attacks against jews is a hallmark of the left.
Von Brunn believed Bush was behind 9-11, hated Foxnews (particularly Bill O'Reilly), and opposed capitalism. He was an all-around loon but certainly more of a leftist on the ideological spectrum.
Yeah people left and right rush to hate the Jews. Even leftwing Jews rush to hate themselves.
I really doubt a guy with that many extreme views would be placeable on the left or right ideological spectrum. After awhile you are just loony.
Indeed, he seemed to believe pretty much every nutty conspiracy theory out there, no matter where it originated.
Quote from: Hansmeister on June 11, 2009, 04:31:30 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 11, 2009, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on June 11, 2009, 04:13:20 PM
Yes, actually they are. Berkeley is famous for its anti-semitic rallies, and it ain't conservatives that march on that campus. Indeed, the whole divesture movement, "zionism is racism", "neocon" conspiracy mongering, and justifying terrorist attacks against jews is a hallmark of the left.
Von Brunn believed Bush was behind 9-11, hated Foxnews (particularly Bill O'Reilly), and opposed capitalism. He was an all-around loon but certainly more of a leftist on the ideological spectrum.
Yeah people left and right rush to hate the Jews. Even leftwing Jews rush to hate themselves.
I really doubt a guy with that many extreme views would be placeable on the left or right ideological spectrum. After awhile you are just loony.
Indeed, he seemed to believe pretty much every nutty conspiracy theory out there, no matter where it originated.
Then can we just agree to call him "nutty" rather than "far left" or "far right"? I think we can all agree that the fuckwit extremes have more in common with each other than their moderate cousins on the left or right.
Quote from: Queequeg on June 11, 2009, 04:36:31 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on June 11, 2009, 04:31:30 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 11, 2009, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on June 11, 2009, 04:13:20 PM
Yes, actually they are. Berkeley is famous for its anti-semitic rallies, and it ain't conservatives that march on that campus. Indeed, the whole divesture movement, "zionism is racism", "neocon" conspiracy mongering, and justifying terrorist attacks against jews is a hallmark of the left.
Von Brunn believed Bush was behind 9-11, hated Foxnews (particularly Bill O'Reilly), and opposed capitalism. He was an all-around loon but certainly more of a leftist on the ideological spectrum.
Yeah people left and right rush to hate the Jews. Even leftwing Jews rush to hate themselves.
I really doubt a guy with that many extreme views would be placeable on the left or right ideological spectrum. After awhile you are just loony.
Indeed, he seemed to believe pretty much every nutty conspiracy theory out there, no matter where it originated.
Then can we just agree to call him "nutty" rather than "far left" or "far right"? I think we can all agree that the fuckwit extremes have more in common with each other than their moderate cousins on the left or right.
Of course, I just used my God-given right to point out that Raz was an idiot for claiming von Brunn was "right-wing".
I think it's fairly safe to assume that someone who's both a Stormfront guy and a Ron Paul supporter is on the right side of idiocy.
Why do these guys never shoot up an aquarium to save the world from Cthulhu? That's what I want to know.
Quote from: Malthus on June 11, 2009, 05:07:03 PM
Why do these guys never shoot up an aquarium to save the world from Cthulhu? That's what I want to know.
Aquariums might be a tool of the Old Ones.
Quote from: Malthus on June 11, 2009, 05:07:03 PM
Why do these guys never shoot up an aquarium to save the world from Cthulhu? That's what I want to know.
Most people realize HP Lovecraft is shit.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 11, 2009, 05:17:36 PM
Quote from: Malthus on June 11, 2009, 05:07:03 PM
Why do these guys never shoot up an aquarium to save the world from Cthulhu? That's what I want to know.
Most people realize HP Lovecraft is shit.
Most people realize neo-Nazism is shit. :P
Quote from: Malthus on June 11, 2009, 05:22:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 11, 2009, 05:17:36 PM
Quote from: Malthus on June 11, 2009, 05:07:03 PM
Why do these guys never shoot up an aquarium to save the world from Cthulhu? That's what I want to know.
Most people realize HP Lovecraft is shit.
Most people realize neo-Nazism is shit. :P
:D
Quote from: Malthus on June 11, 2009, 05:22:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 11, 2009, 05:17:36 PM
Quote from: Malthus on June 11, 2009, 05:07:03 PM
Why do these guys never shoot up an aquarium to save the world from Cthulhu? That's what I want to know.
Most people realize HP Lovecraft is shit.
Most people realize neo-Nazism is shit. :P
Given Lovecraft's racism, they're two great tastes that go together!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 11, 2009, 05:35:45 PM
Given Lovecraft's racism, they're two great tastes that go together!
Only a mongrel person would say that.
Probably one who worships unspeakable dieties in midnight orgies in a swamp. :contract:
Quote from: Hansmeister on June 11, 2009, 04:41:43 PM
Of course, I just used my God-given right to point out that Raz was an idiot for claiming von Brunn was "right-wing".
Oh yeah, I forgot that you still believe that Hitler was a leftist. Well carry on with your stupid.
Quote from: Malthus on June 11, 2009, 05:38:12 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 11, 2009, 05:35:45 PM
Given Lovecraft's racism, they're two great tastes that go together!
Only a mongrel person would say that.
Probably one who worships unspeakable dieties in midnight orgies in a swamp. :contract:
Tamas! :o
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 11, 2009, 05:35:45 PMGiven Lovecraft's racism, they're two great tastes that go together!
:huh: Dude, just because he named the cat in 'The Rats in the Walls' Nigger and referred to Asians as evil degenerates doesn't make him any more racist than basically everyone else when he was writing, given the fact that this was the 1920s and 1930s and Germany had, you know, the fucking Nazis at that time, not to mention the South was still segregated. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 11, 2009, 05:17:36 PMMost people realize HP Lovecraft is shit.
Die in a wheelchair accident.
Quote from: Jaron on June 11, 2009, 06:00:26 PM
Tamas! :o
Tamas...Hamas. I'm sensing a connection.
Quote from: Caliga on June 11, 2009, 06:00:31 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 11, 2009, 05:35:45 PMGiven Lovecraft's racism, they're two great tastes that go together!
:huh: Dude, just because he named the cat in 'The Rats in the Walls' Nigger and referred to Asians as evil degenerates doesn't make him any more racist than basically everyone else when he was writing, given the fact that this was the 1920s and 1930s and Germany had, you know, the fucking Nazis at that time, not to mention the South was still segregated. :rolleyes:
Well ...
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"The mass of contemporary Jews are hopeless as far as America is concerned. They are the product of alien blood, & inherit alien ideals, impulses, & emotions which forever preclude the possibility of wholesale assimilation... On our side there is a shuddering physical repugnance to most Semitic types...so that wherever the Wandering Jew wanders, he will have to content himself with his own society till he disappears or is killed off in some sudden outburst of mad physical loathing on our part. I've easily felt able to slaughter a score or two when jammed in a N.Y. subway train. "
... a
trifle extreme, even for the time. :lol:
Mind you, that's his private correspondence, much like publishing stuff from Languish sans context in the future.
Interesting, I've never read that.... but wait, wasn't his wife a Jew? :huh:
Quote from: Caliga on June 11, 2009, 06:07:51 PM
Interesting, I've never read that.... but wait, wasn't his wife a Jew? :huh:
That would explain a lot, given that he was unhappily marooned in New York during their seperation. :lol:
QuoteA few weeks after his mother's death, Lovecraft attended an amateur journalist convention in Boston, Massachusetts, where he met Sonia Greene. Born in 1883, she was of Ukrainian-Jewish ancestry and seven years older than Lovecraft. They married in 1924, and the couple moved to Brooklyn. Lovecraft's aunts may have been unhappy with this arrangement, as they were not fond of Lovecraft being married to a tradeswoman (Greene owned a hat shop). Initially, Lovecraft was enthralled by New York, but soon the couple was facing financial difficulties. Greene lost her hat shop and suffered poor health. Lovecraft could not find work to support them both, so his wife moved to Cleveland for employment. Lovecraft lived by himself in the Red Hook neighborhood of Brooklyn and came to intensely dislike New York life.[7] Indeed, this daunting reality of failure to secure any work in the midst of a large immigrant population—especially irreconcilable with his opinion of himself as a privileged Anglo-Saxon—has been theorized as galvanizing his racism to the point of fear, a sentiment he sublimated in the short story "The Horror at Red Hook."[8]
A few years later, Lovecraft and his wife, still living separately, agreed to an amicable divorce, which was never fully completed. He returned to Providence to live with his aunts during their remaining years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft#cite_note-15
Suddenly the "Jews are physically loathesome - I could kill scores of Jews on the New York subway" makes all kinds of sense. :lmfao:
I always imagined Lovecraft was creepy as fuck in person. I mean, the guy chose to live with Aunts Patricia and Selma *shudder*.
Quote from: Caliga on June 11, 2009, 06:29:00 PM
I always imagined Lovecraft was creepy as fuck in person. I mean, the guy chose to live with Aunts Patricia and Selma *shudder*.
He was probably like a 20th century Lettow.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 11, 2009, 05:57:35 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on June 11, 2009, 04:41:43 PM
Of course, I just used my God-given right to point out that Raz was an idiot for claiming von Brunn was "right-wing".
Oh yeah, I forgot that you still believe that Hitler was a leftist. Well carry on with your stupid.
Because unlike you I actually know my history, retard-boy.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 11, 2009, 07:02:16 PM
Quote from: Caliga on June 11, 2009, 06:29:00 PM
I always imagined Lovecraft was creepy as fuck in person. I mean, the guy chose to live with Aunts Patricia and Selma *shudder*.
He was probably like a 20th century Lettow.
Lettow is weird, but he's not creepy. I know a bit more about him than his Languish persona (i.e. Facebook details, etc.)
Good to see Hansie reads blogs, even if he has no time for his own.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 11, 2009, 07:02:16 PM
Quote from: Caliga on June 11, 2009, 06:29:00 PM
I always imagined Lovecraft was creepy as fuck in person. I mean, the guy chose to live with Aunts Patricia and Selma *shudder*.
He was probably like a 20th century Lettow.
Probably a lot like Stephen King.
I saw King in person once, at the McDonalds drive thru of all places, when he was in a Mercedes convertible right behind me.
Quote from: Caliga on June 11, 2009, 07:20:29 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 11, 2009, 07:02:16 PM
Quote from: Caliga on June 11, 2009, 06:29:00 PM
I always imagined Lovecraft was creepy as fuck in person. I mean, the guy chose to live with Aunts Patricia and Selma *shudder*.
He was probably like a 20th century Lettow.
Lettow is weird, but he's not creepy. I know a bit more about him than his Languish persona (i.e. Facebook details, etc.)
Stalker.
Quote from: Weatherman on June 11, 2009, 07:23:51 PMStalker.
Actually IIRC Fireblade is the stalker. :whistle:
Quote from: Hansmeister on June 11, 2009, 07:22:47 PMI saw King in person once, at the McDonalds drive thru of all places, when he was in a Mercedes convertible right behind me.
Hmmm... I read King's autobiography, wherein he claims he's quite insane and would himself be a serial killer if he hadn't discovered creative writing as an outlet. He doesn't have a creepy vibe to me when I've seen him interviewed, just an old nerd vibe.
Hansie makes me laugh. I bet he also thinks the doctor killer in Kansas is part of Obama's staff.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 11, 2009, 11:29:05 AM
Speaking of anti-semites, look who just popped up.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31246353/
QuoteWright says 'Jews' keeping him from Obama
President's former pastor hasn't spoken to Obama since he inauguration
updated 25 minutes ago
HAMPTON, Virginia - President Barack Obama's controversial former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is blaming "them Jews" for keeping him from speaking to the president.
Wright, the former pastor of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ, said he hasn't spoken to Obama since he became president.
"Them Jews ain't going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office," Wright told the Daily Press of Newport News following a Tuesday night sermon at the 95th annual Hampton University Ministers' Conference.
"They will not let him to talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is. ... I said from the beginning: He's a politician; I'm a pastor. He's got to do what politicians do."
Obama was a longtime member of the church but resigned from it and cut ties with Wright after videos surfaced during the presidential campaign showing Wright's sometimes provocative sermons. Wright's incendiary comment included shouting "God damn America" and accusing the government of creating AIDS.
In the interview Tuesday, Wright also criticized Obama for not sending a U.S. delegation to the World Conference on Racism held recently in Geneva, Switzerland, saying Obama chose not to for fear of offending Jews and Israel.
"Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing (by) the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel," Wright said.
The White House declined to comment to the Associated Press on Thursday on Wright's remarks. A phone message left by the AP at Wright's home wasn't immediately returned.
Copyright 2009 The Associated Press.
Lol... what a jerk.
Quote from: Hansmeister on June 11, 2009, 07:09:30 PM
Because unlike you I actually know my history, retard-boy.
Why, they had socialism in their name!
Quote from: Caliga on June 11, 2009, 06:29:00 PM
I always imagined Lovecraft was creepy as fuck in person. I mean, the guy chose to live with Aunts Patricia and Selma *shudder*.
Shit, all you have to do is look at a picture of the guy to know he was creepy as fuck. :lol:
Though apparently in person he was the perfect gentleman.
Quote from: KRonn on June 12, 2009, 07:42:57 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 11, 2009, 11:29:05 AM
Speaking of anti-semites, look who just popped up.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31246353/
QuoteWright says 'Jews' keeping him from Obama
President's former pastor hasn't spoken to Obama since he inauguration
updated 25 minutes ago
HAMPTON, Virginia - President Barack Obama's controversial former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is blaming "them Jews" for keeping him from speaking to the president.
Wright, the former pastor of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ, said he hasn't spoken to Obama since he became president.
"Them Jews ain't going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office," Wright told the Daily Press of Newport News following a Tuesday night sermon at the 95th annual Hampton University Ministers' Conference.
"They will not let him to talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is. ... I said from the beginning: He's a politician; I'm a pastor. He's got to do what politicians do."
Obama was a longtime member of the church but resigned from it and cut ties with Wright after videos surfaced during the presidential campaign showing Wright's sometimes provocative sermons. Wright's incendiary comment included shouting "God damn America" and accusing the government of creating AIDS.
In the interview Tuesday, Wright also criticized Obama for not sending a U.S. delegation to the World Conference on Racism held recently in Geneva, Switzerland, saying Obama chose not to for fear of offending Jews and Israel.
"Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing (by) the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel," Wright said.
The White House declined to comment to the Associated Press on Thursday on Wright's remarks. A phone message left by the AP at Wright's home wasn't immediately returned.
Copyright 2009 The Associated Press.
Lol... what a jerk.
I guess that makes Wright a right-wing extremist.
Quote from: Hansmeister on June 12, 2009, 03:53:27 PM
I guess that makes Wright a right-wing extremist.
He did work pretty hard to make sure Obama would not get elected...
Quote from: Berkut on June 12, 2009, 04:14:42 PM
He did work pretty hard to make sure Obama would not get elected...
Not hard enough. :angry:
Quote from: Jaron on June 11, 2009, 04:02:41 PM
Yeah, holocaust denial and Jew hate are left wing hallmarks. :P
They certainly can be. Anti-semitism isn't something that sticks to one side or the other of the political spectrum.
Quote from: Caliga on June 11, 2009, 06:00:31 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 11, 2009, 05:35:45 PMGiven Lovecraft's racism, they're two great tastes that go together!
:huh: Dude, just because he named the cat in 'The Rats in the Walls' Nigger and referred to Asians as evil degenerates doesn't make him any more racist than basically everyone else when he was writing, given the fact that this was the 1920s and 1930s and Germany had, you know, the fucking Nazis at that time, not to mention the South was still segregated. :rolleyes:
A good point. At the time, racism was still valid. Actually, it's still valid and valuable today, but self-hatred hadn't destroyed Western civilization yet.
Quote from: Neil on June 12, 2009, 04:28:45 PM
Quote from: Jaron on June 11, 2009, 04:02:41 PM
Yeah, holocaust denial and Jew hate are left wing hallmarks. :P
They certainly can be. Anti-semitism isn't something that sticks to one side or the other of the political spectrum.
That's true. However, the two kinds of anti-Semites act out differently. Leftist anti-Semites throw themselves under the bulldozer driven by Jews, while rightist anti-Semites steal one and run over the Jews with it.
Quote from: DGuller on June 12, 2009, 04:44:23 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 12, 2009, 04:28:45 PM
Quote from: Jaron on June 11, 2009, 04:02:41 PM
Yeah, holocaust denial and Jew hate are left wing hallmarks. :P
They certainly can be. Anti-semitism isn't something that sticks to one side or the other of the political spectrum.
That's true. However, the two kinds of anti-Semites act out differently. Leftist anti-Semites throw themselves under the bulldozer driven by Jews, while rightist anti-Semites steal one and run over the Jews with it.
Leftist anti-semites give money to Hezbollah.
Quote from: Neil on June 12, 2009, 04:28:45 PM
Quote from: Jaron on June 11, 2009, 04:02:41 PM
Yeah, holocaust denial and Jew hate are left wing hallmarks. :P
They certainly can be. Anti-semitism isn't something that sticks to one side or the other of the political spectrum.
Indeed Neil. Many hand-wringing/bed wetting lefties are Palestine loving, Jew haters.
Look at that commie Vanessa
Redgrave. :contract:
Quote from: Neil on June 12, 2009, 04:28:45 PM
Quote from: Jaron on June 11, 2009, 04:02:41 PM
Yeah, holocaust denial and Jew hate are left wing hallmarks. :P
They certainly can be. Anti-semitism isn't something that sticks to one side or the other of the political spectrum.
Apparently, this guy had some kind of grudge against the Weekly Standard. Their offices have been contacted in connection with the investigation, asking if they had received any threats.
I'm always reluctant to start associating crazies with the other side because stuff like that might come out. Crazies are crazies. They're on nobody's team.
Except apperently on Ron Paul's.
Quote from: Habsburg on June 12, 2009, 05:39:10 PM
Look at that commie Vanessa Redgrave. :contract:
HANDS OFF THE REDGRAVES! :o
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 12, 2009, 09:07:57 PM
Quote from: Habsburg on June 12, 2009, 05:39:10 PM
Look at that commie Vanessa Redgrave. :contract:
HANDS OFF THE REDGRAVES! :o
Fuck that bitch, she supports Al Qaeda.
Quote from: Hansmeister on June 12, 2009, 09:45:37 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 12, 2009, 09:07:57 PM
Quote from: Habsburg on June 12, 2009, 05:39:10 PM
Look at that commie Vanessa Redgrave. :contract:
HANDS OFF THE REDGRAVES! :o
Fuck that bitch, she supports Al Qaeda.
I don't know anything about her or her political views, you got some links?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 12, 2009, 10:02:26 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on June 12, 2009, 09:45:37 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 12, 2009, 09:07:57 PM
Quote from: Habsburg on June 12, 2009, 05:39:10 PM
Look at that commie Vanessa Redgrave. :contract:
HANDS OFF THE REDGRAVES! :o
Fuck that bitch, she supports Al Qaeda.
I don't know anything about her or her political views, you got some links?
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23428639-details/Vanessa+Redgrave+helps+bail+Guantanamo+detainees+'who+were+members+of+al+Qaeda+terror+cell'/article.do (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23428639-details/Vanessa+Redgrave+helps+bail+Guantanamo+detainees+'who+were+members+of+al+Qaeda+terror+cell'/article.do)
QuoteVanessa Redgrave helps bail Guantanamo detainees 'who were members of al Qaeda terror cell'
Last updated at 16:52pm on 21.12.07
Actress Vanessa Redgrave helped two terror suspects walk free yesterday when she paid £40,000 towards their bail fee.
The two former Guantanamo Bay detainees were released on to the streets of Britain yesterday despite being accused of being members of an al Qaeda cell.
Spanish authorities asked for their extradition on terrorism charges, claiming they were involved in extremist groups linked to the 9/11 attacks and bombings in Spain.
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Free: Jamil el-Banna outside the City of Westminster magistrates court today
However, both were set free and allowed to go back to their families after sureties totalling £100,000 - including the £40,000 from Redgrave - were put forward.
Vanessa Redgrave has been insane longer than Hans has been.
To be fair, she's been a supporter of Islamic terrorism longer than Al-Qaeda has been around.
Quote from: Neil on June 13, 2009, 09:54:17 AM
To be fair, she's been a supporter of Islamic terrorism longer than Al-Qaeda has been around.
True.
Little Drummer Girl was written, what, in the 70s?
The Spanish judge (same guy who prosecuted Pinochet) has since dropped his case because the mental health of the men after their time in Guantanamo has deteriorated so much that it's apparently cruel to prosecute them as they seem to suffer from severe depression and post-traumatic stress. I think al-Banna's now control ordered, but I'm not sure.
She also posted bail for a Chechen terrorist leader in London and has done it for several IRA members.
She's part of an extreme left party - as are her entire family, I believe - with a particularly dodgy history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_Revolutionary_Party_(UK)
She's always supported the most leader-ist of the party.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 13, 2009, 12:58:44 PM
The Spanish judge (same guy who prosecuted Pinochet) has since dropped his case because the mental health of the men after their time in Guantanamo has deteriorated so much that it's apparently cruel to prosecute them as they seem to suffer from severe depression and post-traumatic stress.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Hansmeister on June 11, 2009, 07:22:47 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 11, 2009, 07:02:16 PM
Quote from: Caliga on June 11, 2009, 06:29:00 PM
I always imagined Lovecraft was creepy as fuck in person. I mean, the guy chose to live with Aunts Patricia and Selma *shudder*.
He was probably like a 20th century Lettow.
Probably a lot like Stephen King.
I saw King in person once, at the McDonalds drive thru of all places, when he was in a Mercedes convertible right behind me.
As Lovecraft essentially starved to death I think they didn't have much in common!
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 12, 2009, 07:32:11 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 12, 2009, 04:28:45 PM
Quote from: Jaron on June 11, 2009, 04:02:41 PM
Yeah, holocaust denial and Jew hate are left wing hallmarks. :P
They certainly can be. Anti-semitism isn't something that sticks to one side or the other of the political spectrum.
Apparently, this guy had some kind of grudge against the Weekly Standard. Their offices have been contacted in connection with the investigation, asking if they had received any threats.
I'm always reluctant to start associating crazies with the other side because stuff like that might come out. Crazies are crazies. They're on nobody's team.
He was an extremist sure, but that doesn't make you actually crazy. I know actual crazies. You can tell the difference. Apperently he posted alot on FreeRepublic.com. His main complaint with the right was actually similar to Bernie Goldberg's. They were not militant enough.
Looks like von Brunn will probably survive to stand trial.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31354696/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 14, 2009, 12:29:23 PM
Looks like von Brunn will probably survive to stand trial.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31354696/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
Incorrect.
QuoteHolocaust Museum Shooter Dies in Prison Hospital
Wednesday, January 06, 2010
The 89-year-old man charged with a deadly shooting at Washington's Holocaust museum died Wednesday in a prison hospital, authorities said.
At Butner federal prison in North Carolina, spokeswoman Denise Simmons announced that James von Brunn died shortly before 1 p.m. Wednesday.
Simmons said the suspect had "a long history of poor health which included chronic congestive heart failure and sepsis." She said he was pronounced dead at a local hospital.
Von Brunn's lawyer, A.J. Kramer, called the death "a sad end to a tragic situation," but declined further comment.
The elderly suspect had been awaiting trial for the killing of security guard Stephen T. Johns at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum on June 10. Von Brunn had been wounded by return fire.
Officials at the prison hospital had previously said chronic medical problems had complicated a psychiatric evaluation for the suspect, a white supremacist who prior to the shooting had written racist and anti-Semitic screeds on the Internet.
One of the two guards who fired back at von Brunn said he had mixed feelings about his death.
"I'm shocked. I'm glad he's gone. I wish he had his day in court but it'll never come," said Harry Weeks of White Plains, Md.
Weeks returned to work in August and said he thinks often about his slain colleague.
"He was a good man. There's not a day that goes by that I don't miss him," he said of Johns. "It's been very hard, there's not a day that I don't think about him when I'm on post."
Quote from: PDH on June 12, 2009, 11:21:49 PM
Vanessa Redgrave has been insane longer than Hans has been.
Jews killed her daughter in Canada.
I found out the guy lived in Jefferson City for a while. Was a painter or something.
Quote from: Siege on January 06, 2010, 05:27:50 PM
Quote from: PDH on June 12, 2009, 11:21:49 PM
Vanessa Redgrave has been insane longer than Hans has been.
Jews killed her daughter in Canada.
Ironic, since her son-in-law pretended to save a thousand of them or so with only some paperwork and a Porsche.
Might have been dreaming, though. I was seeing it in black and white.