As much as we talk about how we're all under the magnifying glass now with things being easy to search on internet - I think it is a good thing when stuff like this is brought to light and ridiculed.
It kind of reads like one of the common, not funny Onion articles. -_-
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/11/scott-esk-stoning-gays_n_5486678.html
QuoteScott Esk, a Republican Tea Party candidate in Oklahoma, got into a debate on Facebook last summer in which he advocated killing homosexuals.
"I think we would be totally in the right to do it," Esk wrote in comments uncovered by Oklahoma journalist Rob Morris. "That goes against some parts of libertarianism, I realize, and I'm largely libertarian, but ignoring as a nation things that are worthy of death is very remiss."
When pressed, Esk added: "I never said I would author legislation to put homosexuals to death, but I didn't have a problem with it."
Esk is running for the state's House of Representatives. The primary is scheduled for June 24.
When contacted by Morris, who runs the news outlet Moore Daily, Esk didn't deny making the comments or back down from the rhetoric.
"That was done in the Old Testament under a law that came directly from God and in that time there it was totally just. It came directly from God," Esk said, adding: "I have no plans to reinstitute that in Oklahoma law. I do have some very huge moral misgivings about those kinds of sins."
The Raw Story notes that in other Facebook posts, Esk has said that laws punishing gays should be instituted locally so people "can decide for themselves whether they want to live in a particular community based in part on how things like this are dealt with."
The comments have quickly gone viral, drawing attention to other parts of his platform... and those views aren't any less extreme.
Esk wants to "punish abortionists severely for their committing of murder" and punish federal bureaucrats who try to enact the provisions of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
In addition, he's against all forms of gun licenses, wants to cut education funding "which I don't consider a proper function of government" and believes "the EPA, FDA, OSHA, etc." "have no legitimate reason for existing, since they're unConstitutional."
Esk wants to make divorce more difficult as well. He's calling for jury trials for divorce cases and an end to no-fault proceedings.
"I also don't buy into the notion that it's unfair to make somebody stay in a marriage he's unhappy with," Esk wrote.
Esk was married for 15 years until "frivolous divorce raised its ugly head in the Esk home," he notes on his campaign website. (You can see him speak more about divorce in the video below.)
Esk's Facebook page contains other stunners, including a December 2013 post written shortly after Nelson Mandela's death in which he called the former South African president a "communist thug" and a "low-life."
And in November 2013, he wrote of calling 911 to report "a large group of Mexicans" gathered at an Oklahoma City mall geared toward Latino shoppers because he "suspected that many of them were guilty of being here illegally."
His long rant notes that police didn't respond to his emergency call.
Esk was a computer programmer in the state's Department of Public Safety, but has "since gravitated toward courier work." He also owns a window-washing business.
"I look forward to applying Biblical principles to Oklahoma law," Esk writes on his website.
Let's hope no-one from this board ever enters politics. :lol:
Quote from: garbon on June 12, 2014, 09:33:13 AM
And in November 2013, he wrote of calling 911 to report "a large group of Mexicans" gathered at an Oklahoma City mall geared toward Latino shoppers because he "suspected that many of them were guilty of being here illegally."
His long rant notes that police didn't respond to his emergency call.
:lol:
Quote from: Malthus on June 12, 2014, 09:38:33 AM
Let's hope no-one from this board ever enters politics. :lol:
Y'all got nothing on me that would keep me from getting elected in my district :contract:
Not surprising the guy is from Jokelahoma.
Quote from: derspiess on June 12, 2014, 09:40:31 AM
Quote from: Malthus on June 12, 2014, 09:38:33 AM
Let's hope no-one from this board ever enters politics. :lol:
Y'all got nothing on me that would keep me from getting elected in my district :contract:
Sadly, that may well be true. :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on June 12, 2014, 09:38:33 AM
Let's hope no-one from this board ever enters politics. :lol:
Hehe, I was chatting with my wife about something or other in regards to some Congressperson, and said "I would make such an awesome senator". She rolled her eyes, and I thought "Yeah, right up until the moment someone from Languish outs me..."
Quote from: Berkut on June 12, 2014, 10:24:29 AM
Quote from: Malthus on June 12, 2014, 09:38:33 AM
Let's hope no-one from this board ever enters politics. :lol:
Hehe, I was chatting with my wife about something or other in regards to some Congressperson, and said "I would make such an awesome senator". She rolled her eyes, and I thought "Yeah, right up until the moment someone from Languish outs me..."
In all seriousness, I'd but up for wiping the posting history if you did.
Quote from: Malthus on June 12, 2014, 10:16:48 AM
Quote from: derspiess on June 12, 2014, 09:40:31 AM
Quote from: Malthus on June 12, 2014, 09:38:33 AM
Let's hope no-one from this board ever enters politics. :lol:
Y'all got nothing on me that would keep me from getting elected in my district :contract:
Sadly, that may well be true. :hmm:
We primaried one of our own in 2012 for being too chummy with Obama. In some ways I might have to strengthen my conservative credentials if I were to run :D
You people are like Syrian Islamists, who behead other Syrian Islamists for not beheading enough non-Islamists.
If I write my own holy book can I say it is ok to Stone Tea Partiers to Death?
Quote from: DGuller on June 12, 2014, 11:16:34 AM
You people are like Syrian Islamists, who behead other Syrian Islamists for not beheading enough non-Islamists.
Yeah. Exactly like that.
Quote from: Viking on June 12, 2014, 11:17:20 AM
If I write my own holy book can I say it is ok to Stone Tea Partiers to Death?
I think you pretty much already have.
Viking has a hard time with non-literal interpretations of holy books Spicey.
Quote from: derspiess on June 12, 2014, 11:17:58 AM
Quote from: Viking on June 12, 2014, 11:17:20 AM
If I write my own holy book can I say it is ok to Stone Tea Partiers to Death?
I think you pretty much already have.
Hmmm.. makes one wonder if there is enough marihuana out there... and if the project would even work...
Quote from: Valmy on June 12, 2014, 11:19:19 AM
Viking has a hard time with non-literal interpretations of holy books Spicey.
Yes, if you are going to make it up anyways why have the book in the first place.
Quote from: DGuller on June 12, 2014, 11:16:34 AM
You people are like Syrian Islamists, who behead other Syrian Islamists for not beheading enough non-Islamists.
Blue Dogs.
I've always said I admire the fuck out of the TP's party discipline. In the abstract, divorced from their actual political views, it's a beautiful thing to behold.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 01:01:39 PM
I've always said I admire the fuck out of the TP's party discipline. In the abstract, divorced from their actual political views, it's a beautiful thing to behold.
Trying to out fanaticize each other is easy.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 01:01:39 PM
I've always said I admire the fuck out of the TP's party discipline. In the abstract, divorced from their actual political views, it's a beautiful thing to behold.
Ide, I'm making the prediction now - you are going to end up a hard-core rightwinger one day. You won't be a Fascist or a neo-Con; it will be called something else. But one day, you'll be denouncing the likes of derspiess and Hansmeister for being insufficiently conservative.
I'm confused. How can someone be 'largely libertarian' and advocate curtailing personal freedoms in such a way? Does libertarian mean something else in Oklahoma?
Quote from: Iormlund on June 12, 2014, 01:36:56 PM
I'm confused. How can someone be 'largely libertarian' and advocate curtailing personal freedoms in such a way? Does libertarian mean something else in Oklahoma?
You mostly agree with libertarian positions but make exceptions for egregious examples of sin?
Quote from: JakeIde, I'm making the prediction now - you are going to end up a hard-core rightwinger one day. You won't be a Fascist or a neo-Con; it will be called something else. But one day, you'll be denouncing the likes of derspiess and Hansmeister for being insufficiently conservative.
And I think you'd go far in a leftist tea party. I get more shit from you about not being the exact person you want me to be, with views exactly the same as yours, than I do from anybody.
That said, I do expect you're joking here, since I can't imagine many circumstances where my very foundational beliefs would be turned into their opposites, and I'd become homophobic, misogynist, racist, and rabidly capitalist, those being the four impulses that drive modern rightism.
Quote from: Iormlund on June 12, 2014, 01:36:56 PM
I'm confused. How can someone be 'largely libertarian' and advocate curtailing personal freedoms in such a way? Does libertarian mean something else in Oklahoma?
Oh yes. "Libertarianism" is a very compromised ideological label in America; if you replaced any instance of an American declaring themselves a "libertarian" with the words "laissez-faire capitalist" it would probably read as far, far more coherent.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 01:46:51 PM
That said, I do expect you're joking here, since I can't imagine many circumstances where my very foundational beliefs would be turned into their opposites, and I'd become homophobic, misogynist, racist, and rabidly capitalist, those being the four impulses that drive modern rightism.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 01:46:51 PM
And I think you'd go far in a leftist tea party. I get more shit from you about not being the exact person you want me to be, with views exactly the same as yours, than I do from anybody.
:lol: :hug:
QuoteThat said, I do expect you're joking here, since I can't imagine many circumstances where my very foundational beliefs would be turned into their opposites, and I'd become homophobic, misogynist, racist, and rabidly capitalist, those being the four impulses that drive modern rightism.
:cheers:
That said, you may come around to capitalism if you find a way to do alright by it. I know I did.
Quote from: Barrister on June 12, 2014, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 01:46:51 PM
That said, I do expect you're joking here, since I can't imagine many circumstances where my very foundational beliefs would be turned into their opposites, and I'd become homophobic, misogynist, racist, and rabidly capitalist, those being the four impulses that drive modern rightism.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Yeah, that characterization is not helpful.
Quote from: Barrister on June 12, 2014, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 01:46:51 PM
That said, I do expect you're joking here, since I can't imagine many circumstances where my very foundational beliefs would be turned into their opposites, and I'd become homophobic, misogynist, racist, and rabidly capitalist, those being the four impulses that drive modern rightism.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You're right, I forgot xenophobic. Jake may already believe I'm xenophobic, though, which is not true.
I also left out religious, but that's because I don't see Christianity as a core value of, or even an influence on, modern rightism; in the U.S., it's predominately a signaling device for being white and shitty. Still, I'd absolutely love Jake to walk me through the steps to where I become a Christian. I'd like to know, since believing in God in some capacity probably would make me happier, though I don't seem especially constituted for such belief.
Quote from: JakeThat said, you may come around to capitalism if you find a way to do alright by it. I know I did.
I don't begrudge slight differences in wealth (let's say, one order of magnitude). I begrudge massive capitalist exploitation that leads to some people with their wealth expressed in negative numbers and others with worths of tens of billions, off the back of passive income streams forged by their fathers and grandfathers.
I do think you're a good role model overall. :hug:
Quote from: garbon on June 12, 2014, 01:41:39 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on June 12, 2014, 01:36:56 PM
I'm confused. How can someone be 'largely libertarian' and advocate curtailing personal freedoms in such a way? Does libertarian mean something else in Oklahoma?
You mostly agree with libertarian positions but make exceptions for egregious examples of sin?
That sounds as coherent as agreeing mostly with communism except you want the private sector to own the means of production.
Go Ide go! :lol:
Quote from: Iormlund on June 12, 2014, 02:01:42 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 12, 2014, 01:41:39 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on June 12, 2014, 01:36:56 PM
I'm confused. How can someone be 'largely libertarian' and advocate curtailing personal freedoms in such a way? Does libertarian mean something else in Oklahoma?
You mostly agree with libertarian positions but make exceptions for egregious examples of sin?
That sounds as coherent as agreeing mostly with communism except you want the private sector to own the means of production.
Probably not though as the first only makes a few exceptions.
At any right, I've never consider libertarianism to be the domain of the bright and/or those interested in consistency.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 12, 2014, 02:02:59 PM
Go Ide go! :lol:
In fairness, I don't necessarily think every Republican is a homophobe
and a misogynist
and a racist
and a rabid capitalist (as well as a xenophobe
and a devoutly religious person).
But if they're not at least one of those things, by what metric could they even be described as "right-wing" in the first place? We'd also have to ask why they would vote for the GOP, if they did--but they don't.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 01:59:54 PM
I don't begrudge slight differences in wealth (let's say, one order of magnitude).
So if the poorest person only has $10,000 there shouldn't be anybody else with more than $100,000?
No. Someone could have $999,999 and still be only one order of magnitude above.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 01:59:54 PM
Still, I'd absolutely love Jake to walk me through the steps to where I become a Christian. I'd like to know, since believing in God in some capacity probably would make me happier, though I don't seem especially constituted for such belief.
[let me be serious for a second]
H, if you think believing in God would make you happier, try stopping it at a Church some Sunday? Or a mosque, or temple of one variety or another? They won't bite, I'm sure even in South Carolina you can find a pretty liberal Church that won't say mean things about gays or blacks. They also don't make you take any kind of test to determine whether you "believe" or not before entering.
I've been going the last few weeks for the first time in a long time, and I'm surprised how much better, happier even, I feel coming out of a service. I was mostly going just for the kids benefit, I had thought at first.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 02:10:56 PM
No. Someone could have $999,999 and still be only one order of magnitude above.
Ok, still it's a very narrow range considering the number of people that would have difficulty holding onto even $10,000.
Quote from: Barrister on June 12, 2014, 02:11:59 PM
H, if you think believing in God would make you happier, try stopping it at a Church some Sunday?
My mother has often said that she wishes she could believe in God as it sounds so comforting. However, wish does not belief make.
I'd also venture that given the state of many modern churches, I feel more disinclined to believe in God. <_< -_-
Quote from: garbon on June 12, 2014, 02:16:34 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 12, 2014, 02:11:59 PM
H, if you think believing in God would make you happier, try stopping it at a Church some Sunday?
My mother has often said that she wishes she could believe in God as it sounds so comforting. However, wish does not belief make.
I'd also venture that given the state of many modern churches, I feel more disinclined to believe in God. <_< -_-
God believes in you. :)
I'd be a liar if I attended church services regularly. It's not even a matter of Christianity not fitting my spirituality, it's that I am a non-spiritual person. That said, I feel the absence of spirituality and community. But I feel that if I went to church it would make me feel worse, not better, and probably just recenter my impression that I'm different from others, which can lead to feelings of deficiency or defectiveness.
Quote from: frunkOk, still it's a very narrow range considering the number of people that would have difficulty holding onto even $10,000.
I meant and should have said income rather than implying net worth, since net worth is tricky (and it's very easy to have a negative net worth due to poor investments or even catastrophic loss, and it's easy with frugality to attain a much higher net worth than a spendthrift). If I were actually designing wage-cap and minimum income legislation, I probably wouldn't use an OOM since, while that's a nice rhetorical flourish and serves as a nice moral guideline, it isn't a very numerate way to go about setting nitty-gritty policy.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 02:21:27 PM
I'd be a liar if I attended church services regularly.
:huh:
The man who wasn't there.
He explains that in the next sentence. He is not spiritual so he would be lying if he did.
Quote from: garbon on June 12, 2014, 02:22:51 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 02:21:27 PM
I'd be a liar if I attended church services regularly.
:huh:
Church services are for Christians, specifically the Christianity of the congregation. It'd be like hanging out in a gay bar to get attention.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 02:24:04 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 12, 2014, 02:22:51 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 02:21:27 PM
I'd be a liar if I attended church services regularly.
:huh:
Church services are for Christians, specifically the Christianity of the congregation. It'd be like hanging out in a gay bar to get attention.
I suppose if one accepted the premise that one has to believe in God/be a christian to attend a church service. I don't think I've ever felt like I was lying in my few visits a year to churches.
Of course, there is a difference between regular attendance and attending a couple times to see if it works for you.
Quote from: Valmy on June 12, 2014, 02:23:57 PM
He explains that in the next sentence. He is not spiritual so he would be lying if he did.
Attending a church service doesn't require you to profess anything.
Quote from: garbon on June 12, 2014, 02:26:38 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 12, 2014, 02:23:57 PM
He explains that in the next sentence. He is not spiritual so he would be lying if he did.
Attending a church service doesn't require you to profess anything.
Most churches would welcome you even if you disagreed with everything they stood for-- as long as you're not disruptive.
edit: not that we need Ide in *my* church. The United Methodist Church already leftwing enough as is.
Quote from: garbon on June 12, 2014, 02:26:03 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 02:24:04 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 12, 2014, 02:22:51 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 02:21:27 PM
I'd be a liar if I attended church services regularly.
:huh:
Church services are for Christians, specifically the Christianity of the congregation. It'd be like hanging out in a gay bar to get attention.
I suppose if one accepted the premise that one has to believe in God/be a christian to attend a church service. I don't think I've ever felt like I was lying in my few visits a year to churches.
Of course, there is a difference between regular attendance and attending a couple times to see if it works for you.
Well, I go every Christmas, with my family, which I think is different. (I don't take communion when I do, which is disrespectful, as I explain to my sister and father, who are not Christians either, every damn year. My stepmom, the Baptist, gets it. It's not a hard thing to parse.)
If I went to see if it works, knowing that it wouldn't (I'm convinced in the absence of God--the problem of evil is too strong to resolve) that would be very dishonest and would only be exploiting nice people for their friendship, which itself could be considered false, since they're only being friendly because God wants them to.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 02:21:27 PM
I'd be a liar if I attended church services regularly. It's not even a matter of Christianity not fitting my spirituality, it's that I am a non-spiritual person. That said, I feel the absence of spirituality and community. But I feel that if I went to church it would make me feel worse, not better, and probably just recenter my impression that I'm different from others, which can lead to feelings of deficiency or defectiveness.
[still being serious]
As I said - you don't have to pass some test to prove you believe in God or Jesus. Hell devout atheists are perfectly welcome even if you announce yourself as such, as are practicing muslims, hindus, jews, etc.
It was just a suggestion. But if you "feel the absence of spirituality and community" in your life, well the idea of going to Church still sounds like a good one to me to handle both aspects of that problem.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 02:32:12 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 12, 2014, 02:26:03 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 02:24:04 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 12, 2014, 02:22:51 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 02:21:27 PM
I'd be a liar if I attended church services regularly.
:huh:
Church services are for Christians, specifically the Christianity of the congregation. It'd be like hanging out in a gay bar to get attention.
I suppose if one accepted the premise that one has to believe in God/be a christian to attend a church service. I don't think I've ever felt like I was lying in my few visits a year to churches.
Of course, there is a difference between regular attendance and attending a couple times to see if it works for you.
Well, I go every Christmas, with my family, which I think is different. (I don't take communion when I do, which is disrespectful, as I explain to my sister and father, who are not Christians either, every damn year. My stepmom, the Baptist, gets it. It's not a hard thing to parse.)
If I went to see if it works, knowing that it wouldn't (I'm convinced in the absence of God--the problem of evil is too strong to resolve) that would be very dishonest and would only be exploiting nice people for their friendship, which itself could be considered false, since they're only being friendly because God wants them to.
I'll stop, since I don't mean to have this be a "pile on Ideo" thread, but you're deeply over-thinking this.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 02:32:12 PM
If I went to see if it works, knowing that it wouldn't (I'm convinced in the absence of God--the problem of evil is too strong to resolve) that would be very dishonest and would only be exploiting nice people for their friendship, which itself could be considered false, since they're only being friendly because God wants them to.
I don't think that's right (as far as exploitation!) / if anything you are providing them the opportunity for a potential convert.
But I'm not. It would take a lot of reprogramming to actually get me to believe in any kind of higher power. Even when in an extreme psychological state and I pray or yell at "God," I know on some level I'm talking to the air.
Quote from: BeebI'll stop, since I don't mean to have this be a "pile on Ideo" thread, but you're deeply over-thinking this.
Well, it's an irresolvable difference of opinions, but I don't find this nearly as offensive as Jake telling me I'm going to somehow turn into a Nazi. :lol:
Quote from: Barrister on June 12, 2014, 02:34:40 PM
I'll stop, since I don't mean to have this be a "pile on Ideo" thread, but you're deeply over-thinking this.
I agree, for me there's a much simpler reason. There's no particular reason to go. I've never felt any pull. The people are nice, some of the churches/temples are beautiful, but the service itself does nothing either on an intellectual or spiritual level. Even as an atheist I wouldn't mind going except it's so dull. At best there might be some good music.
Quote from: Barrister on June 12, 2014, 02:11:59 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 01:59:54 PM
Still, I'd absolutely love Jake to walk me through the steps to where I become a Christian. I'd like to know, since believing in God in some capacity probably would make me happier, though I don't seem especially constituted for such belief.
[let me be serious for a second]
H, if you think believing in God would make you happier, try stopping it at a Church some Sunday? Or a mosque, or temple of one variety or another? They won't bite, I'm sure even in South Carolina you can find a pretty liberal Church that won't say mean things about gays or blacks. They also don't make you take any kind of test to determine whether you "believe" or not before entering.
I've been going the last few weeks for the first time in a long time, and I'm surprised how much better, happier even, I feel coming out of a service. I was mostly going just for the kids benefit, I had thought at first.
http://www.uua.org/directory/congregations/results.php?state=SC (http://www.uua.org/directory/congregations/results.php?state=SC)
Secular humanism is probably more to Ide's taste.
http://www.unity.org/
Best religion and best gaming engine at the same time.
For what it's worth, Ide, my son was/is a staunch atheist. He regularly attends our Unitarian Universalist church, and has even considered being a minister. He still doesn't consider himself very "spiritual", but he is very devoted to secular humanism, and the community fills that need for him, too.
Just something to think about.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 02:08:56 PM
In fairness, I don't necessarily think every Republican is a homophobe and a misogynist and a racist and a rabid capitalist (as well as a xenophobe and a devoutly religious person).
But if they're not at least one of those things, by what metric could they even be described as "right-wing" in the first place? We'd also have to ask why they would vote for the GOP, if they did--but they don't.
One can believe in a God who disapproves of homosexuals without having an irrational fear of homosexuality.
One can believe immigration should be controlled, that whoever just shows up doesn't get a green card, and that amnesty for people who entered the country illegally (or stayed illegally) is unjust to the people who play by the rules, without having an irrational fear of the other.
One can think think that hiring and admission quotas are unjust to those non-minorities disadvantaged and that abortion is the taking of innocent life without being a misogynist or racist.
And one can think that the private sector is better at creating jobs and providing the goods and services people actually want and need better than the public sector without being a rabid capitalist, though I suppose rabid is not not as narrowly defined as the other terms.
Quote from: frunk on June 12, 2014, 02:43:06 PM
I agree, for me there's a much simpler reason. There's no particular reason to go. I've never felt any pull. The people are nice, some of the churches/temples are beautiful, but the service itself does nothing either on an intellectual or spiritual level. Even as an atheist I wouldn't mind going except it's so dull. At best there might be some good music.
This plus, for me at least, that level of formality and ceremony kind of gives me the heebie-jeebies.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 12, 2014, 03:56:05 PM
One can believe in a God who disapproves of homosexuals without having an irrational fear of homosexuality.
You'd have to define terms pretty carefully for that to be true.
Belief in a God who disproves of homosexuals is equivalent to believing that the power that constitutes the very nature and structure of the universe has an animus against homosexuality. That seems pretty equivalent to "fear" unless one is going to quibble about precise meanings. And such a belief, not being based on any kinds of logical or empirical reasoning process, could fairly be described as irrational.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 12, 2014, 04:16:50 PM
You'd have to define terms pretty carefully for that to be true.
Belief in a God who disproves of homosexuals is equivalent to believing that the power that constitutes the very nature and structure of the universe has an animus against homosexuality. That seems pretty equivalent to "fear" unless one is going to quibble about precise meanings. And such a belief, not being based on any kinds of logical or empirical reasoning process, could fairly be described as irrational.
I don't think it's a quibble to object to the term fear. Jews aren't afraid of shellfish.
A belief not rooted in reason would more accurately be described as arational.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 12, 2014, 04:16:50 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 12, 2014, 03:56:05 PM
One can believe in a God who disapproves of homosexuals without having an irrational fear of homosexuality.
You'd have to define terms pretty carefully for that to be true.
Belief in a God who disproves of homosexuals is equivalent to believing that the power that constitutes the very nature and structure of the universe has an animus against homosexuality. That seems pretty equivalent to "fear" unless one is going to quibble about precise meanings. And such a belief, not being based on any kinds of logical or empirical reasoning process, could fairly be described as irrational.
If I were Yi, I would have phrased that as "One can believe in a God who disapproves of homosexual acts without having an irrational fear of homosexuality".
The universality of God's love is the very essence of the Christian faith, after all.
But homophobia doesn't just mean fear anymore.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 12, 2014, 04:24:15 PM
But homophobia doesn't just mean fear anymore.
If, as many people prefer, it merely means someone opposed to any public policy advocated by gays, then Ide's original statement is rendered meaningless.
I don't think anyone would give it that meaning.
But look at Russia. When we're talking about homophobia there we don't mean 'fear'.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 12, 2014, 04:28:50 PM
I don't think anyone would give it that meaning.
But look at Russia. When we're talking about homophobia there we don't mean 'fear'.
I could quibble and say Russian animus is rooted in an irrational fear of "going soft," but generally agree.
But my point still stands. It's possible to base opposition to gay-approved policy on something other than ill will. Take for example my reservations about gays in the military.
Quote from: Barrister on June 12, 2014, 04:23:52 PM
The universality of God's love is the very essence of the Christian faith, after all.
The same sects that declare everybody who does not believe as they are going to hell forever? That is a strange passive aggressive sort of love. I am not so sure if all Christian sects share this as their very essence.
Didn't that boil down to men don't like to shower with men who like to shower with men? Sounds pretty fearish :P
Quote from: Valmy on June 12, 2014, 04:34:07 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 12, 2014, 04:23:52 PM
The universality of God's love is the very essence of the Christian faith, after all.
The same sects that declare everybody who does not believe as they are going to hell forever? That is a strange passive aggressive sort of love. I am not so sure if all Christian sects share this as their very essence.
I dunno, only a few fringe churches (like the Witnesses, of the Catholics) believe that "if you don't follow our teachings, it's to Hell! with you"!
In any event, it's not the universality of God's love that is in question, but whether people choose to accept that love.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 12, 2014, 04:35:33 PM
Didn't that boil down to men don't like to shower with men who like to shower with men?
No.
And even if it did, my recognition that men might be uncomfortable showering with men who want to slip their dicks up their asses isn't rooted in ill will towards gays.
Men who fear going to a civilian public bath may be slightly weird.
Quote from: The Brain on June 12, 2014, 04:45:22 PM
Men who fear going to a civilian public bath may be slightly weird.
Men who fear showering naked at a civilian public bath are weird.
Quote from: Barrister on June 12, 2014, 04:37:23 PM
I dunno, only a few fringe churches (like the Witnesses, of the Catholics) believe that "if you don't follow our teachings, it's to Hell! with you"!
Wha? Huh? The traditional belief if that if you do not believe in Jesus you are damned. That is not a fringe belief.
QuoteIn any event, it's not the universality of God's love that is in question, but whether people choose to accept that love.
You have to admit it is a pretty conditional sort of love.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 12, 2014, 04:16:50 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 12, 2014, 03:56:05 PM
One can believe in a God who disapproves of homosexuals without having an irrational fear of homosexuality.
You'd have to define terms pretty carefully for that to be true.
Belief in a God who disproves of homosexuals is equivalent to believing that the power that constitutes the very nature and structure of the universe has an animus against homosexuality. That seems pretty equivalent to "fear" unless one is going to quibble about precise meanings. And such a belief, not being based on any kinds of logical or empirical reasoning process, could fairly be described as irrational.
I think that's really reaching. You can have disdain for something without being fearful of it in the least.
Quote from: Valmy on June 12, 2014, 04:51:55 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 12, 2014, 04:37:23 PM
I dunno, only a few fringe churches (like the Witnesses, of the Catholics) believe that "if you don't follow our teachings, it's to Hell! with you"!
Wha? Huh? The traditional belief if that if you do not believe in Jesus you are damned. That is not a fringe belief.
:secret: It was meant as a swipe against the Catholics
"Believe in Jesus" - yes.
"Believe in the Evangelical National Lutheran Church doctrine or go to Hell" - not so much.
QuoteIn any event, it's not the universality of God's love that is in question, but whether people choose to accept that love.
You have to admit it is a pretty conditional sort of love.
umm, no I wouldn't agree with that. :hug:
Quote from: Barrister on June 12, 2014, 04:37:23 PMI dunno, only a few fringe churches (like the Witnesses, of the Catholics) believe that "if you don't follow our teachings, it's to Hell! with you"!
Some fringe :P
Anyway the actual teaching's a little more nuanced than that.
QuoteAnd even if it did, my recognition that men might be uncomfortable showering with men who want to slip their dicks up their asses isn't rooted in ill will towards gays.
No. But there's an element of fear, no?
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 12, 2014, 05:06:51 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 12, 2014, 04:37:23 PMI dunno, only a few fringe churches (like the Witnesses, of the Catholics) believe that "if you don't follow our teachings, it's to Hell! with you"!
Some fringe :P
Anyway the actual teaching's a little more nuanced than that.
And that is Apologist speak for "You are absolutely right but I don't want to think about it."
But for the Witnesses and many Calvinist groups they don't believe that. The Elect are pre-destined to go to heaven. So even if you do follow the teaching you still might end up in hell. You can only hope that the ability to follow the teachings is a sign that you are one of The Elect.
Quote from: Viking on June 12, 2014, 05:13:00 PMAnd that is Apologist speak for "You are absolutely right but I don't want to think about it."
Not at all. What BBoy's saying's basically a tautology.
But that's not the end of the teaching, as I say, there's a bit more nuance to it.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 12, 2014, 05:16:20 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 12, 2014, 05:13:00 PMAnd that is Apologist speak for "You are absolutely right but I don't want to think about it."
Not at all. What BBoy's saying's basically a tautology.
But that's not the end of the teaching, as I say, there's a bit more nuance to it.
In which case I demand you explain the nuance. Can salvation happen for those who do not accept Jesus Christ as their savior? Is it possible to guarantee salvation outside the church?
Quote from: Barrister on June 12, 2014, 02:11:59 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 01:59:54 PM
Still, I'd absolutely love Jake to walk me through the steps to where I become a Christian. I'd like to know, since believing in God in some capacity probably would make me happier, though I don't seem especially constituted for such belief.
[let me be serious for a second]
H, if you think believing in God would make you happier, try stopping it at a Church some Sunday? Or a mosque, or temple of one variety or another? They won't bite, I'm sure even in South Carolina you can find a pretty liberal Church that won't say mean things about gays or blacks. They also don't make you take any kind of test to determine whether you "believe" or not before entering.
I've been going the last few weeks for the first time in a long time, and I'm surprised how much better, happier even, I feel coming out of a service. I was mostly going just for the kids benefit, I had thought at first.
My pitch to Ide would be more like "You get free pancakes and coffee afterwords and you get an "in" with South American Marxists.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 12, 2014, 05:06:51 PM
No. But there's an element of fear, no?
Not on my part. And I'm the one being called a homophobe.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 12, 2014, 06:01:06 PM
Not on my part. And I'm the one being called a homophobe.
I'm not calling you a homophobe :mellow:
Certainly not for avoiding group showers. But even then and even if that were motivated by fear I don't necessarily think that's homophobia and as I've said before I absolutely think you can oppose, say, gay marriage without being motivated by homophobia.
The word's moved on. It reminds me of anti-semitism. People tend to use it as a defence: 'how could I be homophobic? I'm not afraid of homosexuality', before moving on to say something fiercely homophobic. It's similar to people moaning about anti-semitism applying mainly to Jews, when Arabs are Semites too. It's a fair point on the literal meaning of the word, but that literalism is often a shield for a homophobe/anti-semite.
Edit: Of course it'd be a lot easier of homosexualist and gayist didn't carry such different meanings :lol:
I didn't call you a homophobe.
Anyway, I don't like showering in a public bath. That's not homophobia, I just don't like being naked around people I'm not fucking.
Neither of you guys have called me a homophobe. But there are plenty of people out there who will immediately brand anyone who disagrees with their policy preferences a homophobe.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 12, 2014, 06:10:38 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 12, 2014, 06:01:06 PM
Not on my part. And I'm the one being called a homophobe.
I'm not calling you a homophobe :mellow:
Certainly not for avoiding group showers. But even then and even if that were motivated by fear I don't necessarily think that's homophobia and as I've said before I absolutely think you can oppose, say, gay marriage without being motivated by homophobia.
The word's moved on. It reminds me of anti-semitism. People tend to use it as a defence: 'how could I be homophobic? I'm not afraid of homosexuality', before moving on to say something fiercely homophobic. It's similar to people moaning about anti-semitism applying mainly to Jews, when Arabs are Semites too. It's a fair point on the literal meaning of the word, but that literalism is often a shield for a homophobe/anti-semite.
Edit: Of course it'd be a lot easier of homosexualist and gayist didn't carry such different meanings :lol:
Orientationalist?
Lotta gays would be on the hook for that, though.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 12, 2014, 06:01:06 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 12, 2014, 05:06:51 PM
No. But there's an element of fear, no?
Not on my part. And I'm the one being called a homophobe.
Wait, I thought you were gay.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 01:46:51 PM
That said, I do expect you're joking here, since I can't imagine many circumstances where my very foundational beliefs would be turned into their opposites, and I'd become homophobic, misogynist, racist, and rabidly capitalist, those being the four impulses that drive modern rightism.
Bullshit. I'm about as conservative as anybody who still posts here regularly, and I'm only one of those things (rabidly capitalist).
OTOH, while I'm definately on the right, I'm not sure how my views match up with whatever you consider "modern rightism".
Quote from: Razgovory on June 12, 2014, 07:40:22 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 12, 2014, 06:01:06 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 12, 2014, 05:06:51 PM
No. But there's an element of fear, no?
Not on my part. And I'm the one being called a homophobe.
Wait, I thought you were gay.
Is that why you've been stalking him? :hmm:
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 06:50:04 PM
Anyway, I don't like showering in a public bath. That's not homophobia, I just don't like being naked around people I'm not fucking.
And the other solution didn't occur to you? :huh:
Quote from: Malthus on June 12, 2014, 10:16:48 AM
Quote from: derspiess on June 12, 2014, 09:40:31 AM
Quote from: Malthus on June 12, 2014, 09:38:33 AM
Let's hope no-one from this board ever enters politics. :lol:
Y'all got nothing on me that would keep me from getting elected in my district :contract:
Sadly, that may well be true. :hmm:
Me too.
I'm running for office after I retire from the Army of darkness.
Senator Siegebreaker has a nice ring to it.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 06:50:04 PM
I didn't call you a homophobe.
Anyway, I don't like showering in a public bath. That's not homophobia, I just don't like being naked around people I'm not fucking.
This indicates a problem for me. Linking nudity to sex or sexuality like that suggest you have problems. But, we knew that already.
This especially baffling to me when I'm back at home watching tourists at swimming pools. Iceland has a elaborate public bathing culture where the hot-tub at the swimming pool often fill the role the cafe or the pub does in other cultures. Foreigners often either don't shower before getting in the pool (unsanitary imho) or try try showering with their swimming trunks on (merely less unsanitary than not showering). Perhaps it's an issue culture or exposure, but showers are for getting clean and hot tubs and saunas are for relaxing and socializing.
The guy who cant stand naked next to another naked guy without thinking about gay sex has problems.
Quote from: Viking on June 13, 2014, 02:26:39 AM
The guy who cant stand naked next to another naked guy without thinking about gay sex has problems.
Homophobe.
Quote from: Viking on June 13, 2014, 02:26:39 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 06:50:04 PM
I didn't call you a homophobe.
Anyway, I don't like showering in a public bath. That's not homophobia, I just don't like being naked around people I'm not fucking.
This indicates a problem for me. Linking nudity to sex or sexuality like that suggest you have problems. But, we knew that already.
This especially baffling to me when I'm back at home watching tourists at swimming pools. Iceland has a elaborate public bathing culture where the hot-tub at the swimming pool often fill the role the cafe or the pub does in other cultures. Foreigners often either don't shower before getting in the pool (unsanitary imho) or try try showering with their swimming trunks on (merely less unsanitary than not showering). Perhaps it's an issue culture or exposure, but showers are for getting clean and hot tubs and saunas are for relaxing and socializing.
The guy who cant stand naked next to another naked guy without thinking about gay sex has problems.
If I linked nudity to sex, it's because the sexual organs are visible. It's not a huge leap.
In any event, besides not wanting to see other people's dicks while I'm bathing (or vaginas, for that matter*--I don't want to go shower in the women's locker room, either), I also don't like being exposed to other people's gazes. For one thing, I don't want my cock looked at unless I'm going to get hard, or by anybody except someone who is about to or has seen it hard, and preferably felt it inside them. For another, I don't particularly want to be judged by some ultra-fit douchebro; by the same token, I don't want to sit in judgment over fatbody slobs; I don't want anybody to ask me about the fucking scars on my arm when I'm trying to clean my asshole. It's just not a social activity and I want nothing to do with it.
*I do occasionally shower with girlfriends, usually at their insistence. I don't like that because it's inefficient and crowded.
Incidentally, having feelings about other people's preferences for public nudity? WTF is your deal?
Quote from: Ideologue on June 13, 2014, 04:24:25 AM
If I linked nudity to sex, it's because the sexual organs are visible. It's not a huge leap.
In any event, besides not wanting to see other people's dicks while I'm bathing (or vaginas, for that matter*--I don't want to go shower in the women's locker room, either), I also don't like being exposed to other people's gazes. For one thing, I don't want my cock looked at unless I'm going to get hard, or by anybody except someone who is about to or has seen it hard, and preferably felt it inside them. For another, I don't particularly want to be judged by some ultra-fit douchebro; by the same token, I don't want to sit in judgment over fatbody slobs; I don't want anybody to ask me about the fucking scars on my arm when I'm trying to clean my asshole. It's just not a social activity and I want nothing to do with it.
*I do occasionally shower with girlfriends, usually at their insistence. I don't like that because it's inefficient and crowded.
OMG, you a sound like a girl with body image issues.
Why no like nudity with urination or defecation?
I have showered in an army that was open to gays. It rated about a 0 on the give a fuck scale. I just don't bodyshame easily I guess.
Quote from: Viking on June 13, 2014, 04:28:52 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 13, 2014, 04:24:25 AM
If I linked nudity to sex, it's because the sexual organs are visible. It's not a huge leap.
In any event, besides not wanting to see other people's dicks while I'm bathing (or vaginas, for that matter*--I don't want to go shower in the women's locker room, either), I also don't like being exposed to other people's gazes. For one thing, I don't want my cock looked at unless I'm going to get hard, or by anybody except someone who is about to or has seen it hard, and preferably felt it inside them. For another, I don't particularly want to be judged by some ultra-fit douchebro; by the same token, I don't want to sit in judgment over fatbody slobs; I don't want anybody to ask me about the fucking scars on my arm when I'm trying to clean my asshole. It's just not a social activity and I want nothing to do with it.
*I do occasionally shower with girlfriends, usually at their insistence. I don't like that because it's inefficient and crowded.
OMG, you a sound like a girl with body image issues.
Your attempt to question my masculinity doesn't threaten me, Euro.
QuoteWhy no like nudity with urination or defecation?
Your English skills do, however, undermine my comprehension. I think you're asking if I piss in a trough like some kind of primitive? Not if I can avoid it. I really don't like seeing, hearing, or smelling ( :x ) dudes urinating or defecating (and taking shits outside of the home is rude except under extreme duress--but, given the frequency I get confronted with people doing it, I seem to be the only one who ever learned their manners).
I did sort of get over the former, with women, since the ex had a fetish.
Quote from: BrainI have showered in an army that was open to gays. It rated about a 0 on the give a fuck scale. I just don't bodyshame easily I guess.
It's not like it's something I couldn't do. I can force my body to do practically anything I choose it to do. But showers are supposed to be nice and relaxing. (It occurs to me I also don't want some dipshit calling me on spending twenty-five minutes in the shower, because that's what I enjoy.)
Hell, I'm rationalize it as a body thing above, and I think that's certainly part of it. But it occurs to me I don't even like crowds in the first place, as they have an unpleasant, oppressive quality. Why would I like to be in a crowd naked any more than I like to be in line at the grocery store clothed?
Nice and relaxing? Showers are about trying to wash the filth away.
Quote from: The Brain on June 13, 2014, 04:41:18 AM
Nice and relaxing? Showers are about trying to wash the filth away.
Do you scrub until you bleed? It's the only way to be sure you're clean.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 13, 2014, 04:40:18 AM
Quote from: Viking on June 13, 2014, 04:28:52 AM
QuoteWhy noT liNke nudity with urination or defecation?
Your English skills do, however, undermine my comprehension.
typos
Quote from: Ideologue on June 13, 2014, 04:40:18 AM
Your attempt to question my masculinity doesn't threaten me, Euro.
There is no need to question your masculinity to convince people of your lack of it. Your virtual sock puppet cross dressing in your ex's account did that for you long ago. :secret:
You've been on an oil rig too long.
What is he on about?
FWIW I'd shower with you Ide. :)
Quote from: Ideologue on June 13, 2014, 04:24:25 AM
Quote from: Viking on June 13, 2014, 02:26:39 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2014, 06:50:04 PM
I didn't call you a homophobe.
Anyway, I don't like showering in a public bath. That's not homophobia, I just don't like being naked around people I'm not fucking.
This indicates a problem for me. Linking nudity to sex or sexuality like that suggest you have problems. But, we knew that already.
This especially baffling to me when I'm back at home watching tourists at swimming pools. Iceland has a elaborate public bathing culture where the hot-tub at the swimming pool often fill the role the cafe or the pub does in other cultures. Foreigners often either don't shower before getting in the pool (unsanitary imho) or try try showering with their swimming trunks on (merely less unsanitary than not showering). Perhaps it's an issue culture or exposure, but showers are for getting clean and hot tubs and saunas are for relaxing and socializing.
The guy who cant stand naked next to another naked guy without thinking about gay sex has problems.
If I linked nudity to sex, it's because the sexual organs are visible. It's not a huge leap.
In any event, besides not wanting to see other people's dicks while I'm bathing (or vaginas, for that matter*--I don't want to go shower in the women's locker room, either), I also don't like being exposed to other people's gazes. For one thing, I don't want my cock looked at unless I'm going to get hard, or by anybody except someone who is about to or has seen it hard, and preferably felt it inside them. For another, I don't particularly want to be judged by some ultra-fit douchebro; by the same token, I don't want to sit in judgment over fatbody slobs; I don't want anybody to ask me about the fucking scars on my arm when I'm trying to clean my asshole. It's just not a social activity and I want nothing to do with it.
*I do occasionally shower with girlfriends, usually at their insistence. I don't like that because it's inefficient and crowded.
You get over it really quickly, if you have any reason to. I belong to a health club where I exercise twice a week in a losing battle against decrepitude ( ;) ); naturally, after exercise, I hit the showers, which are full of flabby office drones like myself. At first I was a bit self-concious about being nekked in public, but I quickly ceased to give a shit. Likewise, no-one else gives a shit. People mind their own business, as is polite.
I shower at the gym at the University of Texas every morning so I am surrounded by ripped frat bros. It is rather amusing how there can be 10 or more naked men in one small room showering all of us doing our best to pretend the other dudes are not even there :lol:
I found it hilariously awkward at first. Now it is just boringly normal.
Quote from: Valmy on June 13, 2014, 08:42:10 AM
I shower at the gym at the University of Texas every morning so I am surrounded by ripped frat bros. It is rather amusing how there can be 10 or more naked men in one small room showering all of us doing our best to pretend the other dudes are not even there :lol:
And that's how it's supposed to work.
I use wet naps in the car.
Quote from: derspiess on June 13, 2014, 08:42:29 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 13, 2014, 06:58:58 AM
You've been on an oil rig too long.
:lol:
Actually, rigs are very good on private showers. There is very little private space in general and space limitations don't allow for the large space communal showers would need. So the shower becomes one of the few places you really can be alone on an oil rig.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 13, 2014, 08:48:10 AM
I use wet naps in the car.
I keep my glovebox full of those things #dadslife
Quote from: derspiess on June 13, 2014, 08:54:04 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 13, 2014, 08:48:10 AM
I use wet naps in the car.
I keep my glovebox full of those things #dadslife
And Taco Bell napkins
#imatacobellthief
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 13, 2014, 08:57:27 AM
And Taco Bell napkins
#imatacobellthief
Those are in my console, along with the 20 or so hot sauce packets I keep for that one moment they'll be needed.
Or explode in the heat.
I'm confused as to why Viking insists that you have a disorder if you don't want to bathe with other people around.
Quote from: derspiess on June 13, 2014, 08:54:04 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 13, 2014, 08:48:10 AM
I use wet naps in the car.
I keep my glovebox full of those things #dadslife
Such a grandmother thing to do, too. Open the glove comparmeny at your peril, since there'd be an avalanche of wet naps, sweetener packets and those little pepper tubes.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 13, 2014, 09:33:06 AM
Quote from: derspiess on June 13, 2014, 08:54:04 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 13, 2014, 08:48:10 AM
I use wet naps in the car.
I keep my glovebox full of those things #dadslife
Such a grandmother thing to do, too. Open the glove comparmeny at your peril, since there'd be an avalanche of wet naps, sweetener packets and those little pepper tubes.
My wife hoards that shit too.
She even steals the complementary packs of butter at restaurants. Even making
Last Tango in Paris quips does not stop her.
Ewww.
Malthus' wife is one of the cheapest people I have heard of since my grandmother bragged how she never paid more than $2 for a pair of shoes.
I was ewwwing at the movie reference.
Quote from: derspiess on June 13, 2014, 10:02:47 AM
I was ewwwing at the movie reference.
Butter makes it better.
http://www.buttermakesitbetter.com/
Quote from: garbon on June 13, 2014, 09:30:21 AM
I'm confused as to why Viking insists that you have a disorder if you don't want to bathe with other people around.
The nudity means sex bit means he has a disorder.
Quote from: Viking on June 13, 2014, 10:47:59 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 13, 2014, 09:30:21 AM
I'm confused as to why Viking insists that you have a disorder if you don't want to bathe with other people around.
The nudity means sex bit means he has a disorder.
I mean if you are a person who doesn't shower in public / doesn't go to places where you will see nudists, then I don't think it is very surprising if you connect nudity with sex as that's all it really is in your world.
Just to be honest, I often have sexual thoughts when I'm in places where people are naked. So I do peek in the locker room, gents, much in the same way many of you would if you were in the ladies lockerroom (/do when you see a girl in a tight outfit on the street.):D
garbon, Package Inspector
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 13, 2014, 11:22:09 AM
garbon, Package Inspector
I mean I do have the possibility of having sex at the gym.
Barf. People shower there, for fuck's sake.
Well don't worry - I've never actually done so. :hug:
Quote from: garbon on June 13, 2014, 11:31:41 AM
Well don't worry - I've never actually done so. :hug:
The only time I actually saw people having gym sex, it was hetero. In the lost & Found cubby, of all places. :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on June 13, 2014, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 13, 2014, 11:31:41 AM
Well don't worry - I've never actually done so. :hug:
The only time I actually saw people having gym sex, it was hetero. In the lost & Found cubby, of all places. :lol:
Maybe he was really grateful she returned his keys to the Lost and Found and wanted to thank her.
Quote from: Valmy on June 13, 2014, 12:10:02 PM
Quote from: Malthus on June 13, 2014, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 13, 2014, 11:31:41 AM
Well don't worry - I've never actually done so. :hug:
The only time I actually saw people having gym sex, it was hetero. In the lost & Found cubby, of all places. :lol:
Maybe he was really grateful she returned his keys to the Lost and Found and wanted to thank her.
It's possible. I didn't stick around to ask, just closed the door again.
I was mildly pissed, because I thought maybe my umbrella might have been in there, but I was too embarrased to ask them to move so I could look for it. :Embarrass:
Man frantically searching through the Lost and Found: 'Where are my keys? Oh no they are not in the Lost and Found. I would do anything to get them back'
Woman walking up behind him: 'Anything?'
*porno music starts*
Heterophobia?
Quote from: Malthus on June 13, 2014, 12:18:44 PM
It's possible. I didn't stick around to ask, just closed the door again.
I was mildly pissed, because I thought maybe my umbrella might have been in there, but I was too embarrased to ask them to move so I could look for it. :Embarrass:
:rolleyes: Anglo prude.
Quote from: Siege on June 13, 2014, 12:29:11 PM
Heterophobia?
That is only logical since all PIV sex is rape.
Quote from: Valmy on June 13, 2014, 12:21:39 PM
Man frantically searching through the Lost and Found: 'Where are my keys? Oh no they are not in the Lost and Found. I would do anything to get them back'
Woman walking up behind him: 'Anything?'
*porno music starts*
There are limits to what I would do for an umbrella, however. :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on June 13, 2014, 12:41:15 PM
There are limits to what I would do for an umbrella, however. :hmm:
Your porno self would have walked in, looked surprised, then smiled and joined in.
Quote from: Valmy on June 12, 2014, 02:47:50 PM
http://www.unity.org/
Best religion and best gaming engine at the same time.
Dear god, no. :bleeding: