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QuoteUS police confirm drive-by killer is Elliot Rodger

US police have confirmed that a man who killed six people in a rampage in California was 22-year-old Elliot Rodger.

The student was the son of Hollywood filmmaker Peter Rodger, who was assistant director on The Hunger Games.

At a press conference, police said Elliot Rodger had stabbed three male room-mates to death at his apartment.

He later went on a rampage through Isla Vista in a black BMW, shooting at people at random.

After exchanging gunfire with police, Rodger was found dead inside his crashed vehicle with a gunshot wound to the head, police said.

Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown said Rodger apparently killed himself during a shoot-out with police officers.

At a press conference, he called it a "chaotic, rapidly unfolding convoluted incident" that involved multiple crime scenes.

Investigators are analysing a YouTube video in which a young man who identifies himself as Elliot Rodger sits in a car and says he is going to take his revenge against humanity.

Sheriff Brown said that after leaving his apartment, Rodger had gone to a sorority house, which houses female students, and hammered loudly on the door.

They didn't open the door but Rodger had then shot three women in the street, killing two of them, Sheriff Brown said.

Rodger then drove his car through the beachside community - which is near the University of California-Santa Barbara campus - targeting people at random, and the sixth victim was shot dead in a delicatessen.

Seven other people were wounded.

Sheriff Brown said it was "very apparent" that the gunman was "severely mentally disturbed", adding: "It's obviously the work of a madman."

He said authorities had recovered three semi-automatic handguns after Friday's shooting.

All the weapons were bought legally and were registered to Rodger, he said.

Earlier, Peter Rodger's lawyer, Alan Shifman, said that the "family believes the child was the perpetrator".

He said Mr Rodger's son had Asperger's syndrome, had trouble making friends and had been receiving professional help.

Mr Shifman added that the family had contacted police about "recent posts on YouTube" by Elliot "regarding suicide and the killing of people".

The family is "devastated" and co-operating with police, he said.

"We offer our deepest, compassionate sympathy to the families involved in this terrible tragedy," Mr Shifman told reporters outside the family home in Los Angeles,

Ricardo Martinez, whose 20-year-old son Christopher was one of the victims, spoke of his grief.

"When will this insanity stop? Too many have died. We should say to ourselves 'Not one more'," he said.

The University of California-Santa Barbara said it was "shocked and saddened'' by the shootings and confirmed that several of its students had been taken to hospital.

His "manifesto" :rolleyes:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/225936731/Untitled

The guy is quite handsome. 

Quote from: Monoriu on May 25, 2014, 05:10:11 AM
The guy is quite handsome.

Unlikely.

Quotedead inside his crashed vehicle with a gunshot wound to the head

Lack of sex. Big surprise.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 25, 2014, 01:58:24 PM
Lack of sex. Big surprise.

Like muslims.

Virgins and muslims. The two most dangerous groups.

Unbalanced man in country with insane gun laws kills; how is it even news anymore?

QuoteSpeeding on, Rodger accelerated and hit another cyclist, who was thrown onto the hood with a force that crumpled the windshield.

Not that there are any positives that come out of this sort of thing, but...

Quote from: mongers on May 25, 2014, 03:26:30 PM
Unbalanced man in country with insane gun laws kills; how is it even news anymore?

If it wasn't a gun it'd be a bomb or something. You can blame somethings on lax gun laws, but a crazy person who wants to kills will kill

Quote from: HVC on May 25, 2014, 03:53:44 PM

Quote from: mongers on May 25, 2014, 03:26:30 PM
Unbalanced man in country with insane gun laws kills; how is it even news anymore?

If it wasn't a gun it'd be a bomb or something. You can blame somethings on lax gun laws, but a crazy person who wants to kills will kill

:hmm: A country that gives gun licenses to virgins isn't exactly bright.

Kid was a weird conflation of spree killer and sex murderer.  I've read a few excerpts from his manifesto (or whatever) and he comes off worse than John Doe.  (He was oddly fixated on "blondes."  If you counted the number of times he says "blonde" ____ it would surely come in at over a thousand for the 141 page tome.)

Basically he had a head full of bad wiring.  He developed a persecution complex due to the fact that women didn't pick up on his telepathic waves and fuck him all the time.  He was apparently a regular on an involuntarily celibate forum, a den of projected self-loathing, as you might expect.  True: men who don't get laid unfortunately have a propensity for going nutty, and becoming seriously damaged, unpleasant individuals; but while they tend to evince delusional thinking, usually as a defense mechanism, this kid's prose indicated, to my layman's reading, legitimate preexistent insanity.

I read leftist sites from time to time (surprise) and the reaction is... kind of gross, honestly.  Highly ideological (guns!) and extremely misandrist (spreekillers are always men!) without recognizing it as such.  This particular case strikes me as only incidentally gun-related--indeed, he actually stabbed three victims to death--and misogyny is only an indirect consequence.  Though the conversation is bound to involve social ills (easy access to firearms, the dangers inherent to elevating normative masculinity as the only possible metric of success for men, and maybe even disproportionate distribution of sexual activity) I don't think any social ill is at the core.

At least this was an economic crime.

Sounds like he never got past 15.  Fucker's still Holden Caulfield at 22.  The kids got a BMW, he really has to try to not get laid.

Quote from: Ideologue on May 25, 2014, 04:26:30 PMI read leftist sites from time to time (surprise) and the reaction is... kind of gross, honestly.  Highly ideological (guns!) and extremely misandrist (spreekillers are always men!) without recognizing it as such.  This particular case strikes me as only incidentally gun-related--indeed, he actually stabbed three victims to death--and misogyny is only an indirect consequence.  Though the conversation is bound to involve social ills (easy access to firearms, the dangers inherent to elevating normative masculinity as the only possible metric of success for men, and maybe even disproportionate distribution of sexual activity) I don't think any social ill is at the core.

He's eerily like a Houellebecq character. Slightly more narcissistic and sociopathic, for sure, but pretty much spot on.

By the time he posted this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBvaVWdJRQM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBvaVWdJRQM) he's pretty much a goner. Look at his creepy body language, Master Villain ramblings and general social ineptness, he'd give any chick goosebumps in a bad way.

He died a 22 year old virgin. :mellow:

Quote from: Legbiter on May 25, 2014, 05:16:38 PM

Quote from: Ideologue on May 25, 2014, 04:26:30 PMI read leftist sites from time to time (surprise) and the reaction is... kind of gross, honestly.  Highly ideological (guns!) and extremely misandrist (spreekillers are always men!) without recognizing it as such.  This particular case strikes me as only incidentally gun-related--indeed, he actually stabbed three victims to death--and misogyny is only an indirect consequence.  Though the conversation is bound to involve social ills (easy access to firearms, the dangers inherent to elevating normative masculinity as the only possible metric of success for men, and maybe even disproportionate distribution of sexual activity) I don't think any social ill is at the core.

He's eerily like a Houellebecq character. Slightly more narcissistic and sociopathic, for sure, but pretty much spot on.

By the time he posted this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBvaVWdJRQM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBvaVWdJRQM) he's pretty much a goner. Look at his creepy body language, Master Villain ramblings and general social ineptness, he'd give any chick goosebumps in a bad way.

That is exactly what I was thinking.  You've read Extension du domaine de la lutte?  He's like a real-life version of the guy that the narrator off-handedly manipulates into murdering a black guy and his white girlfriend.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 25, 2014, 05:45:39 PM
He died a 22 year old virgin. :mellow:

So?  Lots of people are 22 year old virgins.  Right?

Anyway just a horrible story.  There is always this fear for women when they reject some super creepy guy that he comes back with for revenge so this is hitting some nerves out there for them.

But ultimate damn how are we having so many of these mass murders lately?  Copy cats?

Weird thing is, with probably very slight behavioral modifications, he'd probably have been able to get dates.  Modification one: stop looking like you're thinking about wearing someone's face when you talk about their "blonde blonde BLONDE" hair.

Quote from: Valmy on May 25, 2014, 06:05:21 PM
So?  Lots of people are 22 year old virgins.  Right?

I would expect not.

Quote from: Ideologue on May 25, 2014, 06:11:48 PM
Weird thing is, with probably very slight behavioral modifications, he'd probably have been able to get dates.  Modification one: stop looking like you're thinking about wearing someone's face when you talk about their "blonde blonde BLONDE" hair.

Dude getting dates is not that hard.  That is why those douche seduction community guys think they are geniuses.  They actually get out talking to women and discover that most women want to have sex and relationships with men.  Anyway I think it is a bit late for this dude to get sane dating advice.  Also I highly doubt him actually getting laid would have done anything but put the poor women who had sex with him in danger.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 25, 2014, 06:16:08 PM

Quote from: Valmy on May 25, 2014, 06:05:21 PM
So?  Lots of people are 22 year old virgins.  Right?

I would expect not.

Damn.  I was a virgin until 23.  I didn't realize that was that big of a deal.

Quote from: Valmy on May 25, 2014, 06:16:15 PM

Quote from: Ideologue on May 25, 2014, 06:11:48 PM
Weird thing is, with probably very slight behavioral modifications, he'd probably have been able to get dates.  Modification one: stop looking like you're thinking about wearing someone's face when you talk about their "blonde blonde BLONDE" hair.

Dude getting dates is not that hard.  That is why those douche seduction community guys think they are geniuses.  They actually get out talking to women and discover that most women want to have sex and relationships with men.  Anyway I think it is a bit late for this dude to get sane dating advice.  Also I highly doubt him actually getting laid would have done anything but put the poor women who had sex with him in danger.

Oh, I just wanted to point out how fucked up he must have been, not trying to give dating advice, a field in which I am singularly unqualified.

We have gun laws that prohibit selling guns to mentally ill people, but these laws are not being enforced.
Start enforcing existing laws before you try to make new ones.

Quote from: Siege on May 25, 2014, 06:44:40 PM
We have gun laws that prohibit selling guns to mentally ill people, but these laws are not being enforced.
Start enforcing existing laws before you try to make new ones.

So you agree that the private seller loophole should be closed?

Quote from: sbr on May 25, 2014, 07:08:24 PM

Quote from: Siege on May 25, 2014, 06:44:40 PM
We have gun laws that prohibit selling guns to mentally ill people, but these laws are not being enforced.
Start enforcing existing laws before you try to make new ones.

So you agree that the private seller loophole should be closed?

No.

Quote from: Siege on May 25, 2014, 07:13:07 PM

Quote from: sbr on May 25, 2014, 07:08:24 PM

Quote from: Siege on May 25, 2014, 06:44:40 PM
We have gun laws that prohibit selling guns to mentally ill people, but these laws are not being enforced.
Start enforcing existing laws before you try to make new ones.

So you agree that the private seller loophole should be closed?

No.

So you don't want to enforce the existing laws against sales of guns to mentally ill people?

I thought not.

Stop asking me questions, dammit!

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 25, 2014, 05:45:39 PM
He died a 22 year old virgin. :mellow:

Some Islamic suicide bomber will get him in his 72 virgins in Paradise package.

Win win. Shooter gets laid, and islamo will get a virgin to cornhole.

Was talking to Pops about the shooting at dinner, about how this guy had chick hang-ups.

"Maybe the reason he couldn't get laid was because he was so fucked up in the first place."
"Easy to solve that.  Just find a fucked up girl."

Pops is always the practical cat.

Kid should have fucked a fat chick.

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 25, 2014, 07:46:27 PM
Kid should have fucked a fat chick.

"The only chicks interested in me are the ones I am not interested in". (Asian dude in some teen comedy)

I would say if this dude had known the Ladder Theory he would have understood how much he sucked and would have been in a better position to change for the better.

Oh dear not the ladder theory.

http://www.laddertheory.com/

LOL, and what better way to kick off the post-incident moralising than with a Slate article ?

Glad to see the Seduction Community was so quick to react  :lol:

QuoteThe Pick-Up Artist Community's Predictable, Horrible Response to a Mass Murder
By Amanda Hess

Here's a link to the article, in the event you want to click on all the embedded links of fun:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/05/24/elliot_rodger_the_pick_up_artist_community_s_predictable_horrible_response.html


On Friday night, a gunman killed six people in Santa Barbara, and the killer himself was found dead with a gunshot wound to his head. Soon after police began investigating the crime, 22-year-old student Elliot Rodger emerged as the main suspect. Like many modern mass murders, this one left a robust digital trail, including a video Rodger recently posted to YouTube where he parks his BMW in front of a bank of palm trees and describes his plan to seek retribution from the women who have rejected him. Rodger calls himself the "perfect guy" and a "supreme gentleman" who's been overlooked by women who prefer "obnoxious brutes." Then he lays out his plans to "enter the hottest sorority house of [the University of California, Santa Barbara], and ... slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up blonde slut I see inside there." To "all those girls I've desired so much," he says, "you will finally see that I am the superior one, the true alpha male."

Rodger's language is familiar to anyone who's spent time exploring the Pick-Up Artist or Men's Rights Activist communities. Rodger was a "Nice Guy," a man who feels he is entitled to sex based on positive personality traits known only to him.  ("I've wanted love, affection, adoration. You think I'm unworthy of it. That's a crime that can never be forgiven," he said). He aspired to be an "Alpha," the most attractive, dominant man in his group, but felt he's been wrongly dismissed as an inferior "Beta." Pick-Up Artists, by the way, refer to women they would like to have sex with as their "targets."

Rodger was also allegedly a member of PUAHate.com, a website for men who feel they've been tricked by the Pick-Up Artist pyramid scheme, which takes men's money and promises to teach them how to have sex with women. (And not just any woman, but one who scores at least a 7 on the PUA decimal rating scale of female attractiveness.) PUA Hate is a community devoted to criticizing the Pick-Up Artist movement and "the scams, deception, and misleading marketing techniques used by dating gurus and the seduction community to deceive men and profit from them." It is not, however, interested in putting an end to the PUA community's objectification of women; it simply complains that the tips and tricks don't work.

When Katie J.M. Baker dipped into the site's forums in 2012, she "failed to find one user who wondered whether women are unfairly targeted (as well as stereotyped, pigeonholed, and marketed) by the seduction community. Nope! On their predominately male, heterosexual planet it's the poor, gullible men who are the true victims." It's still "women in general," she found, "who are the villains to these outcasts." As one poster on PUA Hate puts it in his sign-off: "Women are a scam."

I do not blame the Pick-Up Artist community (or its somehow even more deeply tortured counterpart, the Anti-Pick-Up-Artist community) for the deaths of seven people. The man who committed this horrific crime is responsible for this heinous act. But I was interested to see how these groups are reacting to the news. It is disturbing, if not surprising, that they are using these murders to reinforce their hatred of women and "Beta" men, and to cement their own status at the top of the pyramid.

When news of the shooting broke, PUA Hate members attempted to absolve themselves by critiquing Rodger's sex appeal ("Short lower third and gay midface, with zero brow ridge," one decided), ridiculing his mother's looks, and scrambling to assert authority among themselves. ("Only high-T guys should be allowed to give advice here. Nich, can you add that as a rule?" one poster said). Another poster suggested that Rodger was such a Beta that no one would care if he'd murdered people. "Nobody gives a shit about some socially deprived, narrow-clavicle twink with a delusional sense of self. He's a poser," he said. "Nothing will come of this, you sensationalist losers. Certainly not national coverage."

The shooting, of course, made international news, and the forums that Rodger seems to have participated in quickly attempted to distance themselves from him by scrubbing his contributions. PUAHate.com shut down its forums "for maintenance" and rickrolled visitors. BodyBuilding.com, another site where Rodger allegedly posted, also deleted his contributions from its boards.

PUAs who were not immediately connected to Rodger were quick to capitalize on the news, suggesting that if Rodger had been a more devoted PUA protégé, they could have gotten him laid and prevented violence against women. A PUA site called Strategic Dating Coach—which sells DVDs on how to "turn a conversation with a woman sexual in no time flat"—commented on one of Rodgers' YouTube videos, where he despairs about his dating life as he films a couple kissing in Santa Barbara. "THIS is why we do what we do," Strategic Dating Coach weighed in. "TO PREVENT THIS SHIT!!! He should have gone to our website and got our personal dating coaching or purchased one of our products. IF ANYONE NEEDS HELP, CONTACT US! Don't 'suffer injustice.' "

Members of Pick-Up Artist RooshV's forums piled on. "Game saves lives," one member said. "I'm trying to think of ways our enemies will come after us because of this, but if anything, we're the solution to this sort of murder rampage," Roosh himself weighed in. "He is self-delusional and massively entitled, but exposing him to game may have saved lives." The site's reminder about its comment moderation in the wake of the shooting is all about how to avoid infiltration by members of PUA Hate, not rooting out hatred in its own ranks. (At least one contributor was making some sense when he wrote: "No amount of game could have helped.")

Why did seven people die in Santa Barbara last night? It would be wrong to pin the crime on Internet forums that indulge in self-hatred, then project it on to everyone else. But they're certainly not the solution. Misogyny and violence against women is a social problem as well as an individual one. The fact that these men see "game" as the remedy to all personal and social ills is perhaps the greatest indictment of the way they view the world.

:bleeding:

Also I don't even know what this means: 'narrow-clavicle twink' :blink: :bleeding:

"Game saves lives" is going to be the next big meme.  Mark me. :lol:

Quote from: Ideologue on May 25, 2014, 09:31:59 PM
"Game saves lives" is going to be the next big meme.  Mark me. :lol:

I kinda like "Women are a scam."  :lol:

Quote from: Sheilbh on May 25, 2014, 08:13:21 PM
:bleeding:

Also I don't even know what this means: 'narrow-clavicle twink' :blink: :bleeding:

Well searching narrow clavicle does turn up many hits.

On a different note.

QuoteInternet forums that indulge in self-hatred

:hmm:

Quote from: garbon on May 25, 2014, 10:27:31 PM

QuoteInternet forums that indulge in self-hatred

:hmm:

TBR Privilege! :o

Quote from: garbon on May 25, 2014, 10:27:31 PM
Well searching narrow clavicle does turn up many hits.

I admit I am too scared to.

Though I would hate to think what we would look like if somebody starting quoting various posts outside of their proper context.  Or hell even in their proper context.

QuoteInternet forums that indulge in self-hatred

Hey!  We are a community of love.

Quote from: Siege on May 25, 2014, 06:44:40 PM
We have gun laws that prohibit selling guns to mentally ill people, but these laws are not being enforced.
Start enforcing existing laws before you try to make new ones.

I agree, would you go further and put an end to organizations that try to prevent these laws from being enforced (presumably non enforcement only lets Liberal use their failure to push for further restrictions)?

Quote from: garbon on May 25, 2014, 10:27:31 PM
On a different note.

QuoteInternet forums that indulge in self-hatred

:hmm:

If it's any consolation, you're not the first Languishite that comes to mind when I think of "Most Likely To Make A Woman Suit Out Of Skin."

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 25, 2014, 10:40:20 PM
If it's any consolation, you're not the first Languishite that comes to mind when I think of "Most Likely To Make A Woman Suit Out Of Skin."

No. Not even in the top ten.

And there is a top ten.

Outside of Ide and Seedy, I would think languish is the opposite of forums that indulge in self-hatred.  Most people here seem to hate everyone else and think way to highly of themselves.

Hi! :)

Quote from: Sheilbh on May 25, 2014, 10:35:04 PM

Quote from: garbon on May 25, 2014, 10:27:31 PM

QuoteInternet forums that indulge in self-hatred

:hmm:

TBR Privilege! :o

:D

Quote from: Valmy on May 25, 2014, 10:39:03 PM
I admit I am too scared to.

Though I would hate to think what we would look like if somebody starting quoting various posts outside of their proper context.  Or hell even in their proper context.

Oh it mostly just shows discussions on whether having narrow clavicles is a positive or negative for body builders.

Quote from: sbr on May 25, 2014, 10:41:18 PM
Outside of Ide and Seedy, I would think languish is the opposite of forums that indulge in self-hatred.  Most people here seem to hate everyone else and think way to highly of themselves.

I think your post shows a lack of insight. We've several posters with a deep current of self-hatred.

Quote from: Ideologue on May 25, 2014, 04:26:30 PM
He was apparently a regular on an involuntarily celibate forum, a den of projected self-loathing, as you might expect. 

I'm surprised that such a forum exists, but the FBI might want to consider monitoring it.

Quote from: garbon on May 25, 2014, 10:46:10 PM
Oh it mostly just shows discussions on whether having narrow clavicles is a positive or negative for body builders.

Until I searched I thought clavicle was another word for clavichord. That brings up a very different flavour of internet forum :lol:

Quote from: Sheilbh on May 25, 2014, 10:51:31 PM

Quote from: garbon on May 25, 2014, 10:46:10 PM
Oh it mostly just shows discussions on whether having narrow clavicles is a positive or negative for body builders.

Until I searched I thought clavicle was another word for clavichord. That brings up a very different flavour of internet forum :lol:

:lol:

Quote from: alfred russel on May 25, 2014, 10:50:22 PM

Quote from: Ideologue on May 25, 2014, 04:26:30 PM
He was apparently a regular on an involuntarily celibate forum, a den of projected self-loathing, as you might expect. 

I'm surprised that such a forum exists, but the FBI might want to consider monitoring it.

Yeah I was figuring between this and the sandy hook thing there is going to be some profiling going on around here.  Lonely hateful white dudes are going to be watched.  Poor FBI guys.

You're underselling Languishites, and overselling the FBI.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 25, 2014, 08:10:06 PM
LOL, and what better way to kick off the post-incident moralising than with a Slate article ?

Her name's Amanda Hess.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.static.flickr.com%2F3213%2F3002228519_f2f12d9719.jpg&hash=e139b8bab9e604598dc6ae401a8bf5793801a087)


Dead ringer for: (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fus.tintin.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2Ftintin-appears1.jpg&hash=800e285544e32b44195eb676404dc71dc0edd611)

WB for the Tintin flag.

Okay? :unsure:

Quote from: garbon on May 26, 2014, 07:06:18 AM
Okay? :unsure:

Well it does help explain why she's so angry all the time.

Quote from: HVC on May 26, 2014, 07:08:09 AM

Quote from: garbon on May 26, 2014, 07:06:18 AM
Okay? :unsure:

Well it does help explain why she's so angry all the time.

Perhaps I should have written - what a sad pick up artist like manner to deflect criticism by calling someone unattractive.

I find this so frustrating. Lower your damn standards and get laid. He went to college and didn't get laid? How the hell does this happen?!

Blondes were his Great White Whale apparently.  :wacko:

Blondes are evil.

I will agree that blondes are difficult to bag out in the wild.  Much more cunning and intuitive, you can't separate one from the herd as well.

You need bait. Hundred dollar bills. Blondes are attracted to hundreds.

Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 25, 2014, 12:04:14 AM
His "manifesto" :rolleyes:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/225936731/Untitled

Dammit, when I read the rantings of a maniac, I expect them to be less boring.  :(

Quote from: Grey Fox on May 26, 2014, 07:17:15 AM
I find this so frustrating. Lower your damn standards and get laid. He went to college and didn't get laid? How the hell does this happen?!

Easily in my case.

did Amanda Hess vote for Comrade Obama?

Quote from: Grey Fox on May 26, 2014, 07:17:15 AM
I find this so frustrating. Lower your damn standards and get laid. He went to college and didn't get laid? How the hell does this happen?!

Pretty easily in my case :P

But, to be fair, I clearly was not as focused on this goal as he was.

Quote from: Valmy on May 25, 2014, 06:16:53 PM

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 25, 2014, 06:16:08 PM

Quote from: Valmy on May 25, 2014, 06:05:21 PM
So?  Lots of people are 22 year old virgins.  Right?

I would expect not.

Damn.  I was a virgin until 23.  I didn't realize that was that big of a deal.

How was your spree? :)

Guns don't kill people, penises do.

QuoteElliot Rodger's California shooting spree: further proof that misogyny kills
Attributing the deaths of six people and wounding of several others in Isla Vista to 'a madman' ignores a stark truth about our society
Jessica Valenti
theguardian.com

We should know this by now, but it bears repeating: misogyny kills.

On Friday night, a man – identified by police as Elliot Rodgers – allegedly seeking "retribution" against women whom he said sexually rejected him went on a killing spree in Isla Vista, California, killing six people and sending seven more to the hospital with serious gunshot injuries. Three of the bodies were reportedly removed from Rodger's apartment.

Before the mass murder he allegedly committed, 22-year-old Rodger – also said to have been killed Friday night – made several YouTube videos complaining that he was a virgin and that beautiful women wouldn't pay attention to him. In one, he calmly outlined how he would "slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blond slut I see".

According to his family, Rodger was seeking psychiatric treatment. But to dismiss this as a case of a lone "madman" would be a mistake.

It not only stigmatizes the mentally ill – who are much more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators of it – but glosses over the role that misogyny and gun culture play (and just how foreseeable violence like this is) in a sexist society. After all, while it is unclear what role Rodger's reportedly poor mental health played in the alleged crime, the role of misogyny is obvious.

In his final video, Rodger opined:

    College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure, but in those years I've had to rot in loneliness, it's not fair ... I don't know why you girls aren't attracted to me but I will punish you all for it.

Rodger, like most young American men, was taught that he was entitled to sex and female attention. (Only last month, a young woman was allegedly stabbed to death for rejecting a different young man's prom invitation.) He believed this so fully that he described women's apathy toward him as an "injustice" and a "crime".

    You forced me to suffer all my life, now I will make you all suffer. I waited a long time for this. I'll give you exactly what you deserve, all of you. All you girls who rejected me, looked down upon me, you know, treated me like scum while you gave yourselves to other men.

Rodger was reportedly involved with the online men's rights movement: allegedly active on one forum and said to have been following several men's rights channels on YouTube. The language Rodger used in his videos against women – like referring to himself as an "alpha male" – is common rhetoric in such circles.

These communities are so virulently misogynist that the Southern Poverty Law Center, an organization that tracks hate groups, has been watching their movements for years.

Yet, as the artist Molly Crabapple pointed out on Twitter: "White terrorism is always blamed on guns, mental health – never poisonous ideology."

If we need to talk about this tragic shooting in terms of illness, though, let's start with talking about our cultural sickness – a sickness that refuses to see misogyny as anything other than inevitable.

It was reported on Saturday that Rodger's family had contacted the police about his violent and strange videos "weeks" before the shooting The family attorney said that police interviewed Rodger and thought he was a "perfectly polite, kind and wonderful human".

I have to wonder how much police dismissed Rodger's video rants because of the expectation that violent misogyny in young men is normal and expected.

"Dismissing violent misogynists as 'crazy' is a neat way of saying that violent misogyny is an individual problem, not a cultural one," feminist blogger Melissa McEwan tweeted.

The truth is that there is no such thing as a lone misogynist – they are created by our culture, and by communities that tells them that their hatred is both commonplace and justified.

So when we say that these things are unstoppable, what we are really saying is that we're unwilling to do the work to stop them. Violence against women does not have to be inevitable, but it is almost always foreseeable: what matters is what we do about it.

QuoteRodger, like most young American men, was taught that he was entitled to sex and female attention.

I didn't get that memo.  Anybody get it?  Other than Ed?

Is it misogyny when a man leaves a woman who has gotten too fat or too old for his tastes?

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 26, 2014, 07:18:13 PM

QuoteRodger, like most young American men, was taught that he was entitled to sex and female attention.

I didn't get that memo.  Anybody get it?  Other than Ed?

Not me. Damn!  I thought I had to work pretty hard to get laid.  If only I'd known.

Wait... were the girls taught this, as well?  If not, somebody fucked up.

I didn't get shit.

QuoteAccording to his family, Rodger was seeking psychiatric treatment. But to dismiss this as a case of a lone "madman" would be a mistake.

It not only stigmatizes the mentally ill...

:lol: You can't make this stuff up.

What I've seen from feminist writers and commenters is a conflation of four different categories of behavior:

1)not taking no for an answer;
2)awkward pick-up attempts (no one complains about successful ones);
3)the natural hurt feelings that come from rejection, either from awkward pick-up attempts, or from the collapse of an actual, preexisting relationship; and
4)distorted thinking resulting from social/sexual isolation (and often, as exemplified in this case, an underlying serious mental illness).

All of which can and should be discussed as separate issues rather than as one great big issue under the heading "men are taught to feel entitled to sex," which is almost on its face retarded.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 26, 2014, 08:21:21 PM

QuoteAccording to his family, Rodger was seeking psychiatric treatment. But to dismiss this as a case of a lone "madman" would be a mistake.

It not only stigmatizes the mentally ill...

:lol: You can't make this stuff up.

I guess you didn't get the memo, either.

You know, what I've noticed throughout all the knee-jerk reactionary bullshit over this shooting, from the feminists to the PUA community, is the one angle that nobody's talking about:  that maybe, just maybe, women should take a single lesson away from this incident and be more sensitive and accommodating to clumsy, socially awkward and mildly dangerous potential suitors. 
Hell, the life you save may be your own.

I think being pleasant to other people in our increasingly atomized society is a skill we should all learn.

If this guy had killed just himself, I think that might have been the message that was sent.

But I think he was going to wind up being a serial killer regardless of his success.  This shit isn't nurture.

If anything, the social problem this highlights is why we aren't spending a lot of money to develop prenatal diagnoses for autism, depression, borderline, sociopathy, narcissism, and other negative traits.  That's a rhetorical question, I know why.  Nazis ruined it for everyone.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 26, 2014, 08:28:26 PM
that maybe, just maybe, women should take a single lesson away from this incident and be more sensitive and accommodating to clumsy, socially awkward and mildly dangerous potential suitors. 
Hell, the life you save may be your own.

Fuck that they have a constitutional right to reject their asses.  And forget being sensitive and all that there is no nice way to say no.

The main lesson I took from society in this shit was that if I really really loved a hot girl she would eventually come around and true love would conquer all.  Which is fucking stupid and wasted a lot of my time.  But I presume just because that was what my brain cherry picked that is not necessarily the only thing one might take away.  I have heard guys say that society indeed taught them that they were entitled to a hot girl but I certainly was not, I thought I had to earn it through....erm....goodness and light and rainbows and shit.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 26, 2014, 08:21:21 PM

QuoteAccording to his family, Rodger was seeking psychiatric treatment. But to dismiss this as a case of a lone "madman" would be a mistake.

It not only stigmatizes the mentally ill...

:lol: You can't make this stuff up.

That is basically saying 'this incident proves my ideology so lets not get distracted by other stuff'.

Quote from: Valmy on May 26, 2014, 08:47:56 PM
I have heard guys say that society indeed taught them that they were entitled to a hot girl but I certainly was not, I thought I had to earn it through....erm....goodness and light and rainbows and shit.

You are, however, entitled to make as much fucking money as possible to afford whichever one you want.  That's why "game" is such a great metaphor:  you have to have the cash to afford the marker that gets you a seat at the table.  GIFF THAT MAN HEES MONEY

So where was I off on the self-loathing/demented bit?

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 26, 2014, 08:55:03 PM

Quote from: Valmy on May 26, 2014, 08:47:56 PM
I have heard guys say that society indeed taught them that they were entitled to a hot girl but I certainly was not, I thought I had to earn it through....erm....goodness and light and rainbows and shit.

You are, however, entitled to make as much fucking money as possible to afford whichever one you want.  That's why "game" is such a great metaphor:  you have to have the cash to afford the marker that gets you a seat at the table.  GIFF THAT MAN HEES MONEY

I don't know man, it is a pretty easy game to win.  You just need to have basic social skills and an ounce of self confidence.  Women do not have that high of standards.  I keep telling women the same thing who think they have to be skinny and fabulous.  Just go out there and find people, being conventionally unattractive either in status or money or looks only means you get to be rejected a few times more.  Big whoop.  You only lose by not playing.

Quote from: garbon on May 26, 2014, 08:56:14 PM
So where was I off on the self-loathing/demented bit?

Oh please; you're young, gay and living in New York City.  You have no other worlds to conquer.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 26, 2014, 09:12:25 PM

Quote from: garbon on May 26, 2014, 08:56:14 PM
So where was I off on the self-loathing/demented bit?

Oh please; you're young, gay and living in New York City.  You have no other worlds to conquer.

Only the rest of the world! :w00t:

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 26, 2014, 08:28:26 PM
I guess you didn't get the memo, either.

You know, what I've noticed throughout all the knee-jerk reactionary bullshit over this shooting, from the feminists to the PUA community, is the one angle that nobody's talking about:  that maybe, just maybe, women should take a single lesson away from this incident and be more sensitive and accommodating to clumsy, socially awkward and mildly dangerous potential suitors. 
Hell, the life you save may be your own.

That is the creepiest thing you have ever posted.

Well, I didn't want to put too fine a point on it...

And, let's be real, it's probably only the creepiest thing he's posted this month.

Bitches be bitches.

Quote from: Jacob on May 26, 2014, 09:40:25 PM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 26, 2014, 08:28:26 PM
I guess you didn't get the memo, either.

You know, what I've noticed throughout all the knee-jerk reactionary bullshit over this shooting, from the feminists to the PUA community, is the one angle that nobody's talking about:  that maybe, just maybe, women should take a single lesson away from this incident and be more sensitive and accommodating to clumsy, socially awkward and mildly dangerous potential suitors. 
Hell, the life you save may be your own.

That is the creepiest thing you have ever posted.

:lol:

Quote from: Jacob on May 26, 2014, 09:40:25 PM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 26, 2014, 08:28:26 PM
I guess you didn't get the memo, either.

You know, what I've noticed throughout all the knee-jerk reactionary bullshit over this shooting, from the feminists to the PUA community, is the one angle that nobody's talking about:  that maybe, just maybe, women should take a single lesson away from this incident and be more sensitive and accommodating to clumsy, socially awkward and mildly dangerous potential suitors. 
Hell, the life you save may be your own.

That is the creepiest thing you have ever posted.

how soon a bag of dead fetuses is forgotten:(

Quote from: HVC on May 26, 2014, 09:59:48 PMhow soon a bag of dead fetuses is forgotten:(

That was less creepy, more vivid.

I've been working on my nuance.

It has a Bundy tinge

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 26, 2014, 10:04:50 PM
I've been working on my nuance.

still a classic. it's been what, 13 -14 years? its shall live on in languish lore... followed closely by your love big black cock rabbits in Mexico*.


*I know its childish, but it still makes me laugh to this day.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 26, 2014, 10:04:50 PM
I've been working on my nuance.

I've always thought if there's one thing you're known for it's your embrace of nuance.

Quote from: Malthus on May 26, 2014, 09:05:00 AM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 25, 2014, 12:04:14 AM
His "manifesto" :rolleyes:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/225936731/Untitled (http://www.scribd.com/doc/225936731/Untitled)

Dammit, when I read the rantings of a maniac, I expect them to be less boring.  :(

That's why I'm around.  I'm insane, but at least I'm an entertaining maniac.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 26, 2014, 08:21:21 PM

QuoteAccording to his family, Rodger was seeking psychiatric treatment. But to dismiss this as a case of a lone "madman" would be a mistake.

It not only stigmatizes the mentally ill...

:lol: You can't make this stuff up.

Actually the genuinely mentally ill are less likely to commit acts of violence.  He's not mentally ill, he's just bitter from being cock blocked.  That's not an illness!

Jame Gumb wasn't mentally ill, he was just bitter from being denied his rightful place in high fashion.

HAIL PATARICHY

Quote from: Sheilbh on May 26, 2014, 10:07:55 PM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 26, 2014, 10:04:50 PM
I've been working on my nuance.

I've always thought if there's one thing you're known for it's your embrace of nuance.

:lol:

Actually, I will say there was one time I felt entitled to sex.

It was when I was dating Naples, and since I was recovering from that biopsy, we couldn't fuck though we were both down to.  So I went down on her like three or four times every time she'd come over.  I healed up, and didn't have cancer or anything else, but by that point she'd stopped talking to me due to some issues with her husband.  So, despite putting it about six hours' worth of pretty solid cunnilingus (if I do say so myself), I didn't get so much as one single, solitary blowjob.

That's called unjust enrichment where I come from.  Which is law school.  CHECK YOUR RESTATEMENT (3d).

Man, some of you guys are starting to make me look emotionally balanced.

Quote from: Ideologue on May 26, 2014, 10:55:32 PM
Actually, I will say there was one time I felt entitled to sex.

It was when I was dating Naples, and since I was recovering from that biopsy, we couldn't fuck though we were both down to.  So I went down on her like three or four times every time she'd come over.  I healed up, and didn't have cancer or anything else, but by that point she'd stopped talking to me due to some issues with her husband.  So, despite putting it about six hours' worth of pretty solid cunnilingus (if I do say so myself), I didn't get so much as one single, solitary blowjob.

That's called unjust enrichment where I come from.  Which is law school.  CHECK YOUR RESTATEMENT (3d).

When I first read your post I read it as six hours of cunnilingus without reciprocation and I was going to say that you should've got the clue after fifteen minutes.  But even still... she just came over a bunch of times, you ate her out and then did again a few nights later?  That's a fucked up relationship right there.

Quote from: Malthus on May 26, 2014, 09:05:00 AM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 25, 2014, 12:04:14 AM
His "manifesto" :rolleyes:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/225936731/Untitled

Dammit, when I read the rantings of a maniac, I expect them to be less boring.  :(

I read through a bit of it.  I saw a video clip interview of the Martinez victim's father railing against accessibility to guns.  The fathers statement that he had twenty years with his son and the Sandy Hook parents only had five or six with theirs.. that was sad.   The killer's Mother and Father... they lost their boy and have the guilt of his actions on them... they must be so devastated. 

I'm now a parent of an almost two year old with another due in October and i've been thinking of how and when you go about teaching your kids about the birds and the bees.  I'm thinking the answer is start early and often. 

Based on that kids document his parents didn't seem to teach him about sex at all, they just left him to figure it out on his own.  That's kind of how my parents dealt with it too...  My dad's idea of sex education was letting me watch movies with tits in them at a very early age (which was awesome) and my Mother did everything she could to avoid bringing it up. 

The Martinez kids father is railing against access to guns and I agree with him that second amendment shit needs some serious overhauling.  Easy for me to say as a Canadian but the shooter also seems to have needed some serious parental intervention along the way.  The bits I got out of his "manifesto" are like his mother was trying to buy his love with gifts until her money dried up and she couldn't really afford to pay for his respect anymore and at his father's house it was all about the new girlfriends needs and wants so he wasn't getting any real love there either. 

Was what this kid did preventable?  You can legislate access to guns even if you can't enforce it.  You can't legislate that parents give more love to their kids.  This kid was going to pop and someone was going to get hurt, access to guns or not.

Yeah...this case has less to do with guns, and even less to do with society's misogyny, than it has more to do with being nuttier than squirrel shit.

Quote from: Jacob on May 26, 2014, 09:40:25 PM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 26, 2014, 08:28:26 PM
I guess you didn't get the memo, either.

You know, what I've noticed throughout all the knee-jerk reactionary bullshit over this shooting, from the feminists to the PUA community, is the one angle that nobody's talking about:  that maybe, just maybe, women should take a single lesson away from this incident and be more sensitive and accommodating to clumsy, socially awkward and mildly dangerous potential suitors. 
Hell, the life you save may be your own.

That is the creepiest thing you have ever posted.

I completely agree. It's the exact same mindset the first article he posted criticized.

These dudes seem to have somehow gotten it into their heads that they are entitled to sex from women. It's not a woman's job to give you sex. It's your job to be a person she wants to have sex with.

Maybe it's because they are entitled in every other way, so it makes sense to them. This kid surely had money and probably everything he ever really wanted or needed. He's just not used to dealing with others on a one for one equal basis maybe. Then of course building a rapport with people requires some skills that are harder to come by for assburgers--it's understandable that the hurdle is bigger. That still doesn't explain blaming the women.

That said, there really is a palpable change in the last couple decades in the way women behave and what they seem to expect. They seem harder to connect with now. Less open, more sarcastic, more cruel. That's maybe the flip side of the same entitlement coin.

Quote from: PRC on May 26, 2014, 11:36:34 PM

Quote from: Ideologue on May 26, 2014, 10:55:32 PM
Actually, I will say there was one time I felt entitled to sex.

It was when I was dating Naples, and since I was recovering from that biopsy, we couldn't fuck though we were both down to.  So I went down on her like three or four times every time she'd come over.  I healed up, and didn't have cancer or anything else, but by that point she'd stopped talking to me due to some issues with her husband.  So, despite putting it about six hours' worth of pretty solid cunnilingus (if I do say so myself), I didn't get so much as one single, solitary blowjob.

That's called unjust enrichment where I come from.  Which is law school.  CHECK YOUR RESTATEMENT (3d).

When I first read your post I read it as six hours of cunnilingus without reciprocation and I was going to say that you should've got the clue after fifteen minutes.  But even still... she just came over a bunch of times, you ate her out and then did again a few nights later?  That's a fucked up relationship right there.

When you first read my post, you obviously skipped over the twenty words describing how I had an injury.  Denying someone you like sexual pleasure because you can't come yourself is something only a bad person would do.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 26, 2014, 08:21:21 PM

QuoteAccording to his family, Rodger was seeking psychiatric treatment. But to dismiss this as a case of a lone "madman" would be a mistake.

It not only stigmatizes the mentally ill...

:lol: You can't make this stuff up.

No you can't. His parents have said he was on several different kinds of crazy pills, seeing various therapists, etc, etc, but that's still not enough for this Einstein to classify him as mentally ill.  :huh: Not to mention you can almost see the smoke coming out of his ears if you watch one of his videos.

Also, 4 out of 6 of his victims were men, but, like, who cares, cause misogyny!

Listening to these feminist defectives is like arguing economics with a guy who believes a priori that the entire financial system is run in secret by the  :Joos    :wacko:

Discussing moon geology with Siegy would be more enligthening (and fun).

Quote from: Legbiter on May 27, 2014, 07:23:55 AM
feminist defectives

Revealing phrases.

We Really need Drakken's input in this thread.  :cool:

Quote from: Ideologue on May 27, 2014, 07:25:53 AM

Revealing phrases.

She's all yours champ.  :lol:

Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 27, 2014, 02:33:17 AM
I completely agree. It's the exact same mindset the first article he posted criticized.

Actually, it isn't at all, but don't worry that you can't see the distinction.  Keep working on distinguishing white from black, though.  That's something you probably can do.

Quote from: grumbler on May 27, 2014, 07:36:38 AM
Keep working on distinguishing white from black, though.  That's something you probably can do.

Very important skill that. Being able to distinguish the whites from the blacks.

Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 27, 2014, 02:33:17 AM

Quote from: Jacob on May 26, 2014, 09:40:25 PM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 26, 2014, 08:28:26 PM
I guess you didn't get the memo, either.

You know, what I've noticed throughout all the knee-jerk reactionary bullshit over this shooting, from the feminists to the PUA community, is the one angle that nobody's talking about:  that maybe, just maybe, women should take a single lesson away from this incident and be more sensitive and accommodating to clumsy, socially awkward and mildly dangerous potential suitors. 
Hell, the life you save may be your own.

That is the creepiest thing you have ever posted.

I completely agree. It's the exact same mindset the first article he posted criticized.

Yeah, but see, the big difference is I was joking.  Aspie
With A Gun was not.

Quote from: Ideologue on May 26, 2014, 08:23:53 PM
What I've seen from feminist writers and commenters is a conflation of four different categories of behavior:

1)not taking no for an answer;
2)awkward pick-up attempts (no one complains about successful ones);
3)the natural hurt feelings that come from rejection, either from awkward pick-up attempts, or from the collapse of an actual, preexisting relationship; and
4)distorted thinking resulting from social/sexual isolation (and often, as exemplified in this case, an underlying serious mental illness).

All of which can and should be discussed as separate issues rather than as one great big issue under the heading "men are taught to feel entitled to sex," which is almost on its face retarded.

According to the guy's "manifesto", he was particularly pissed at not winning the lottery. He felt it was his destiny to win the lottery. He pretty clearly was of the opinion he was a sort of god, and his anger was that no-one - not women, not men, not the laws of probablility - recognized this and showered him with the sex, adulation, and money that was his due. 

None of this has any real bearing on actual societal attitudes, as most people - except the truly insane - can differentiate between fantasy (in which they always win the lottery, every hott person of their chosen gender falls for them, and they are adored and famous without effort) and reality.

The most fascinating aspect of all this is the amount of information he's left behind;  so many shooters don't, and always leave the question of "why" to investigators and experts to guess at.

Quote from: Ideologue on May 27, 2014, 07:25:53 AM

Quote from: Legbiter on May 27, 2014, 07:23:55 AM
feminist defectives

Revealing phrases.

I'm gonna borrow Leg's phrase.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 27, 2014, 08:09:35 AM
The most fascinating aspect of all this is the amount of information he's left behind;  so many shooters don't, and always leave the question of "why" to investigators and experts to guess at.

The big question is what causes this type of mental defect in the first place - one to which, as far as I know, there is no satisfactory answer as of yet; also, what can be done about it.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 27, 2014, 08:09:35 AM
The most fascinating aspect of all this is the amount of information he's left behind;  so many shooters don't, and always leave the question of "why" to investigators and experts to guess at.

Agreed.  I'd also like to see what the police actually wrote after they interviewed the guy, rather than the lawyer's paraphrase of it.

I think that there are important clues both from what the guy left behind, and also from some of the web sites he frequented.  I think that drawing conclusions about what "most men are taught to expect" based on some fringe wackos is as stupid as declaring what "most women really want" based on reading some website devoted to that "shades of grey" book.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 27, 2014, 06:14:57 AM
These dudes seem to have somehow gotten it into their heads that they are entitled to sex from women. It's not a woman's job to give you sex. It's your job to be a person she wants to have sex with.

Maybe it's because they are entitled in every other way, so it makes sense to them. This kid surely had money and probably everything he ever really wanted or needed. He's just not used to dealing with others on a one for one equal basis maybe. Then of course building a rapport with people requires some skills that are harder to come by for assburgers--it's understandable that the hurdle is bigger. That still doesn't explain blaming the women.

That said, there really is a palpable change in the last couple decades in the way women behave and what they seem to expect. They seem harder to connect with now. Less open, more sarcastic, more cruel. That's maybe the flip side of the same entitlement coin.

Well said MIM.

Quote from: Malthus on May 27, 2014, 08:05:55 AM

Quote from: Ideologue on May 26, 2014, 08:23:53 PM
What I've seen from feminist writers and commenters is a conflation of four different categories of behavior:

1)not taking no for an answer;
2)awkward pick-up attempts (no one complains about successful ones);
3)the natural hurt feelings that come from rejection, either from awkward pick-up attempts, or from the collapse of an actual, preexisting relationship; and
4)distorted thinking resulting from social/sexual isolation (and often, as exemplified in this case, an underlying serious mental illness).

All of which can and should be discussed as separate issues rather than as one great big issue under the heading "men are taught to feel entitled to sex," which is almost on its face retarded.

According to the guy's "manifesto", he was particularly pissed at not winning the lottery. He felt it was his destiny to win the lottery. He pretty clearly was of the opinion he was a sort of god, and his anger was that no-one - not women, not men, not the laws of probablility - recognized this and showered him with the sex, adulation, and money that was his due. 

None of this has any real bearing on actual societal attitudes, as most people - except the truly insane - can differentiate between fantasy (in which they always win the lottery, every hott person of their chosen gender falls for them, and they are adored and famous without effort) and reality.

Agreed.  My post has little to do with the shooter because I don't think sociopaths have sociopolitical implications.  Anyone who thinks that a "toxic culture" on one hand or "lack of game" on the other were root causes is attempting to graft a personal belief system onto something that is sort of fundamentally inhuman--the only political program that would actually solve people like Rodger is one that prevented them from existing in the first place (by all the evidence actually the best state of affairs for everyone involved).  Of course, that would require state-mandated eugenics that uses technology that we don't even have yet, brought about by a political consensus that will not soon develop thanks to modern liberalism's inability to recognize the need for pragmatism when blindly idealistic individualism permits them to remain morally pure.

My post was more to do with the general tone of conversation on the subject of hegemonic masculinity/rape culture/etc. on leftist blogs that I read.  Conflating all those types of behavior leads to a frankly misandrist perspective on life, which is a shame, since even if you believe (2) and (3) are huge social problems, they certainly can't be solved by yelling at them.

Quote from: Ideologue on May 27, 2014, 08:31:25 AM
...the only political program that would actually solve people like Rodger is one that prevented them from existing in the first place (by all the evidence actually the best state of affairs for everyone involved).  Of course, that would require state-mandated eugenics that uses technology that we don't even have yet, brought about by a political consensus that will not soon develop thanks to modern liberalism's inability to recognize the need for pragmatism when blindly idealistic individualism permits them to remain morally pure.

I don't think that it requires state-mandated eugenics (and if it does, then you are right that only the insane would support such a program of insanity-elimination) so much as just the technology of which you speak, plus the extension of liability laws to incorporate failure to correct known fetal defects.  There is a huge difference between allowing parents to choose to correct defects in their offspring and giving the state the power to decide what traits it will require and allow in the offspring of every member of its society.  I know the loony left trusts "the state" that far, but who in their right mind does?  Hell, if the statists had their way, no one who doubted the state would even get born!

Maybe he was a god? There was once a virgin, older than Mr. Fuckface, who believed that he was God and died violently. That man was Mr. Christ, and he was right.

Quote from: The Brain on May 27, 2014, 10:15:32 AM
Maybe he was a god? There was once a virgin, older than Mr. Fuckface, who believed that he was God and died violently. That man was Mr. Christ, and he was right.

I hadn't considered that possibility.  :hmm:

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 27, 2014, 12:11:37 PM

Quote from: The Brain on May 27, 2014, 10:15:32 AM
Maybe he was a god? There was once a virgin, older than Mr. Fuckface, who believed that he was God and died violently. That man was Mr. Christ, and he was right.

I hadn't considered that possibility.  :hmm:

That Mr. Christ was a virgin?  There is no reliable evidence that this statement is true, and it seems highly unlikely.

I am pretty sure his blood descendents became Kings of the Franks.

Quote from: Valmy on May 27, 2014, 01:36:34 PM
I am pretty sure his blood descendents became Kings of the Franks.

:bleeding:

Quote from: Valmy on May 27, 2014, 01:36:34 PM
I am pretty sure his blood descendents became Kings of the Franks.

No.  They could grill a great brat, but their franks were just good.

Quote from: Caliga on May 27, 2014, 01:51:31 PM

Quote from: Valmy on May 27, 2014, 01:36:34 PM
I am pretty sure his blood descendents became Kings of the Franks.

:bleeding:

What?  Where else did the Merovingians get their fabulous long hair from?

Quote from: Valmy on May 27, 2014, 02:04:44 PM

Quote from: Caliga on May 27, 2014, 01:51:31 PM

Quote from: Valmy on May 27, 2014, 01:36:34 PM
I am pretty sure his blood descendents became Kings of the Franks.

:bleeding:

What?  Where else did the Merovingians get their fabulous long hair from?

Caesar?

Quote from: Maximus on May 27, 2014, 03:20:44 PM

Quote from: Valmy on May 27, 2014, 02:04:44 PM

Quote from: Caliga on May 27, 2014, 01:51:31 PM

Quote from: Valmy on May 27, 2014, 01:36:34 PM
I am pretty sure his blood descendents became Kings of the Franks.

:bleeding:

What?  Where else did the Merovingians get their fabulous long hair from?

Caesar?

More likely the great barber die off of the late 5th century.

Quote from: crazy canuck on May 27, 2014, 03:40:39 PM
More likely the great barber die off of the late 5th century.

A tragic and sad time in the history of Cosmetology.

They probably got it from their mothers. :rolleyes:

Quote from: The Brain on May 27, 2014, 03:52:26 PM
They probably got it from their mothers. :rolleyes:

Well duh

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fc%2Fce%2FGuido_Reni_-_The_Penitent_Magdalene_-_Walters_372631.jpg&hash=b0d0c474681118183b20023074710193e977d468)

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 27, 2014, 06:14:57 AM
They seem harder to connect with now.

It's probably a tougher market for sure.

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 :lol:

You know, it's funny. We're walking around Salzburg for the first time a couple days ago and my wife is buried in her phone, looking for whatever, I dunno. We turn a corner and we're on Getreidegasse (https://www.google.at/search?q=getreidegasse+salzburg&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=sv2EU96GM6mV7Qbxr4GIBQ&sqi=2&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=631).

I grabbed the phone out of her hand and said, look honey, you're missing it!  :P

Eh you can just send them a tweet.

'Hi I am the boy about 50 feet to your right.  Wanna hang out?'

Quote from: Legbiter on May 27, 2014, 04:02:54 PM

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 27, 2014, 06:14:57 AM
They seem harder to connect with now.

It's probably a tougher market for sure.

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Wow, I'm not sure anyone of them have any business wearing those short shorts.  I know they're all the rage (espec. with the pockets sticking out OMG!) but come on, that's not what you should be wearing if you have flabby thighs.

Don't be hatin' Spicey.

They're fine.  Spice is an asshole.

That said the grandpa look on the brunette in red isn't doing her a lot of good.  Her body's perfectly fine.

Actually the one in the red is fine.  And I'm not calling any of them ugly or fat, but there's something to be said for knowing your body type and dressing accordingly.  Flabby white thighs don't look good in short shorts.

They look fine.  FFS.

:rolleyes:  You of all people.

Spicey would be tweeting them 'GUUUURL you so cannot pull those shorts off'

Ah Languish.  In a thread about an attack caused in large part by misogynist fantasy the usual suspects debate whether girls meet their internet standards own fantasies.

Spicey fantasizes about young ladies in flattering shorts.

Quote from: crazy canuck on May 27, 2014, 05:01:51 PM
Ah Languish.  In a thread about an attack caused in large part by misogynist fantasy the usual suspects debate whether girls meet their internet standards own fantasies.

:rolleyes:  Girls that young do nothing for me.  And like I said, none of them are ugly or fat.  Some of them are just wearing unflattering clothes and ought to be aware of it. 

derspeiss - girls that young not only do nothing for me, but I feel creepy even discussing how they are dressed.

Quote from: Barrister on May 27, 2014, 05:12:42 PM
derspeiss - girls that young not only do nothing for me, but I feel creepy even discussing how they are dressed.

Yeah, did seem slightly odd to my mind.

And to someone my age, those kids look about 14-15 years; give me the lived in look all of us of my age tend to acquire.  :)

Quote from: derspiess on May 27, 2014, 05:05:33 PM

Quote from: crazy canuck on May 27, 2014, 05:01:51 PM
Ah Languish.  In a thread about an attack caused in large part by misogynist fantasy the usual suspects debate whether girls meet their internet standards own fantasies.

:rolleyes:  Girls that young do nothing for me.  And like I said, none of them are ugly or fat.  Some of them are just wearing unflattering clothes and ought to be aware of it.

Yeah, because young girls should be aware that you judge them wanting.  :rolleyes:

Like I said, your very own misognyst fantasy.

Quote from: Barrister on May 27, 2014, 05:12:42 PM
derspeiss - girls that young not only do nothing for me, but I feel creepy even discussing how they are dressed.

I don't feel creepy.  A bit judgy maybe but not creepy.  It's sort of similar to my disdain for obese teen boys wearing all sorts of faux-athletic gear.  OH YEAH MAN I TOTALLY THINK YOU'RE A BALLER.

It's probably just my judgmental wife rubbing off on me.  She's always criticizing what people wear.

Lol

Don't whiteknight too hard guys.

Jesus.

Quote from: crazy canuck on May 27, 2014, 05:36:23 PM
Yeah, because young girls should be aware that you judge them wanting.  :rolleyes:

That's not what I'm saying at all, but feel free to continue misreading my posts.  I'll say it for the third time-- I don't think any of those girls are fat or ugly. 

QuoteLike I said, your very own misognyst fantasy.

More like a fantasy you have in which I'm a 'misognyst'.

Quote from: Legbiter on May 27, 2014, 04:02:54 PM

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 27, 2014, 06:14:57 AM
They seem harder to connect with now.

It's probably a tougher market for sure.

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Ugh, short hair.  :yuk:

Quote from: grumbler on May 27, 2014, 08:25:03 AM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 27, 2014, 08:09:35 AM
The most fascinating aspect of all this is the amount of information he's left behind;  so many shooters don't, and always leave the question of "why" to investigators and experts to guess at.

Agreed.  I'd also like to see what the police actually wrote after they interviewed the guy, rather than the lawyer's paraphrase of it.

I was reading the storyline on the deputy's call and their interview with him, and--from what I read--I can say that their call was unfortunate but correct.

I mean, this isn't exactly Milwaukee PD giving Dahmer back a naked, partially cuffed boy who speaks no English and is bleeding from the ass...they didn't see any reason to EP this kid.  Is he an immediate threat to himself or to others?  Is he demonstrating any behavior which could?  By the accounts, he was polite and reasonable, and did not set off any of the Spidey Sense tests the deputies would need to take him to the ER. 

Not that Santa Barbara is Baltimore, but when you're dealing with calls for service on a weekly basis regarding possible emergency petitions for the emotionally handicapped, after seeing shit like a 60 year old man beating his 89-year old mother senseless because he thinks she's a spy, or a regular on the beat is off his meds again and you can tell because he's grinding his teeth so hard you can hear it from 12 feet away, or a woman whose husband calls because she won't stop eating all the cat food...by those measures, a polite kid who passes all the tests on the front porch and strikes you as just somebody who's simply got the blues isn't going to compel an emergency petition.

One would think Santa Barbara law enforcement would have more resources to look into this particular guy after that call--particularly with all the shit he put online--but hey.

Now, if law enforcement had the ability to do an immediate check and find out he purchased multiple handguns in a short time frame prior to arriving for the welfare check, perhaps that would've added a certain awareness.  But the NRA would want you to believe otherwise.  After all, the 2nd Amendment trumps officer safety.

Quote from: Legbiter on May 27, 2014, 07:03:21 PM
Lol

Don't whiteknight too hard guys.

Jesus.

Whiteknight means you protect a woman in the hope of having sex with her.  This is just a picture of some random people.

Quote from: derspiess on May 27, 2014, 06:58:31 PM

Quote from: Barrister on May 27, 2014, 05:12:42 PM
derspeiss - girls that young not only do nothing for me, but I feel creepy even discussing how they are dressed.

I don't feel creepy.  A bit judgy maybe but not creepy.  It's sort of similar to my disdain for obese teen boys wearing all sorts of faux-athletic gear.  OH YEAH MAN I TOTALLY THINK YOU'RE A BALLER.

It's probably just my judgmental wife rubbing off on me.  She's always criticizing what people wear.

Spicey is not being creepy he is just being the fashion police.  Which I find hilarious.

Not seeing any flabby thighs in that pic.

Quote from: Valmy on May 27, 2014, 10:38:09 PM
Spicey is not being creepy he is just being the fashion police.  Which I find hilarious.

Why?  I married a fashion designer FFS.

Quote from: Maximus on May 27, 2014, 10:41:43 PM
Not seeing any flabby thighs in that pic.

:lol:  Okay, man.  Okay.

Quote from: Valmy on May 27, 2014, 10:36:11 PM

Quote from: Legbiter on May 27, 2014, 07:03:21 PM
Lol

Don't whiteknight too hard guys.

Jesus.

Whiteknight means you protect a woman in the hope of having sex with her.

Not necessarily.

QuoteThis is just a picture of some random people.

Then again, that's why I'm a bit baffled by the strong reactions to my well-informed opinion.

None of those girls is remotely attractive. I would never, ever even consider it even if they were all of age. Those thighs don't work for me and those elbows are far too pointy.

Hi Jarenko.

Hello

Quote from: Jaron on May 27, 2014, 11:31:00 PM
None of those girls is remotely attractive. I would never, ever even consider it even if they were all of age. Those thighs don't work for me and those elbows are far too pointy.

J-dawg. :hug:

Quote from: Barrister on May 28, 2014, 12:01:40 AM

Quote from: Jaron on May 27, 2014, 11:31:00 PM
None of those girls is remotely attractive. I would never, ever even consider it even if they were all of age. Those thighs don't work for me and those elbows are far too pointy.

J-dawg. :hug:

Beebz :hug:

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 27, 2014, 07:26:09 PM

Quote from: Legbiter on May 27, 2014, 04:02:54 PM

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 27, 2014, 06:14:57 AM
They seem harder to connect with now.

It's probably a tougher market for sure.

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Ugh, short hair.  :yuk:

Fuck off.

They're all 14 years old.  You're all goofs.  Pedo Community.

Quote from: derspiess on May 27, 2014, 11:05:20 PM
Why?  I married a fashion designer FFS.

Two reasons:

1. It clashes with your image of being barely evolved in your masculinity beyond neanderthalhood.

2. That image making it impossible for people to see you are discussing these girls' lack of fabulousness and not being pervy.

I'm being Pervy.

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 28, 2014, 08:15:11 AM
I'm being Pervy.

And what's worse it is a picture of the older third of your daughters.

Hermione is clearly the alpha female.

Quote from: Valmy on May 28, 2014, 08:17:29 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 28, 2014, 08:15:11 AM
I'm being Pervy.

And what's worse it is a picture of the older third of your daughters.

The hormones in the foods do make 'em grow fast.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 28, 2014, 05:12:00 AM
They're all 14 years old.  You're all goofs.  Pedo Community.

This.

Also Val, nice try trying to drag my kids into this. I'm untouchable.

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 28, 2014, 08:31:02 AM
Also Val, nice try trying to drag my kids into this. I'm untouchable.

I was just making the requisite joke about the number of kids you have.  Nothing personal towards the little band of Bronies.

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 28, 2014, 08:31:02 AM
Also Val, nice try trying to drag my kids into this. I'm untouchable.

Which one is going to be your next wife?

Quote from: Grey Fox on May 28, 2014, 08:34:30 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 28, 2014, 08:31:02 AM
Also Val, nice try trying to drag my kids into this. I'm untouchable.

Which one is going to be your next wife?

*high-five*

Quote from: Grey Fox on May 28, 2014, 08:34:30 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 28, 2014, 08:31:02 AM
Also Val, nice try trying to drag my kids into this. I'm untouchable.

Which one is going to be your next wife?

Your sister.

Maybe 'busy' well-off and rich* people shouldn't have kids. 






* Not aimed at Ed Anger, as we know you're almost as lazy as me.  :cool:

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 28, 2014, 08:44:54 AM

Quote from: Grey Fox on May 28, 2014, 08:34:30 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 28, 2014, 08:31:02 AM
Also Val, nice try trying to drag my kids into this. I'm untouchable.

Which one is going to be your next wife?

Your sister.

Poor form...


You should have said his daughter. ;)

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 28, 2014, 08:44:54 AM

Quote from: Grey Fox on May 28, 2014, 08:34:30 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 28, 2014, 08:31:02 AM
Also Val, nice try trying to drag my kids into this. I'm untouchable.

Which one is going to be your next wife?

Your sister.

She's 27 and a pothead. Only you can fix her.

Quote from: Grey Fox on May 28, 2014, 10:00:45 AMOnly you can fix her.

He already has an outreach program.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR7HcqsBOdg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR7HcqsBOdg)

Quote from: Legbiter on May 28, 2014, 10:13:01 AM

Quote from: Grey Fox on May 28, 2014, 10:00:45 AMOnly you can fix her.

He already has an outreach program.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR7HcqsBOdg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR7HcqsBOdg)

:salute:

Quote from: Grey Fox on May 28, 2014, 10:00:45 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 28, 2014, 08:44:54 AM

Quote from: Grey Fox on May 28, 2014, 08:34:30 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 28, 2014, 08:31:02 AM
Also Val, nice try trying to drag my kids into this. I'm untouchable.

Which one is going to be your next wife?

Your sister.

She's 27 and a pothead. Only you can fix her.

Pothead? Pass.

Age is still within acceptable parameters.

So we've got a new intern at work (from the alma mater, no less, so I know she's got nothing between the ears), with lovely blue eyes and the most adorable 20 year old ass.  Very sweet girl.

Question:  what form of media should I use to demand the sex to which I am entitled from her?  Manifesto or YouTube video?  I'm thinking YouTube, what with her smartphone glued to her face.

When did you get a job, anyway?

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 29, 2014, 08:50:28 PM
So we've got a new intern at work (from the alma mater, no less, so I know she's got nothing between the ears), with lovely blue eyes and the most adorable 20 year old ass.  Very sweet girl.

Question:  what form of media should I use to demand the sex to which I am entitled from her?  Manifesto or YouTube video?  I'm thinking YouTube, what with her smartphone glued to her face.

Interpretive Dance

Quote from: Ideologue on May 29, 2014, 08:51:25 PM
When did you get a job, anyway?

End of February.  Pay sucks, drive sucks, no benefits, but it's professional writing for the Feds, so I'm pretty much doing it for the resume in the naive and inevitable to-be-crushed hopes that it will pay off later.

Manifetsos are usually interesting and humerous.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 29, 2014, 08:59:24 PM

Quote from: Ideologue on May 29, 2014, 08:51:25 PM
When did you get a job, anyway?

End of February.  Pay sucks, drive sucks, no benefits, but it's professional writing for the Feds, so I'm pretty much doing it for the resume in the naive and inevitable to-be-crushed hopes that it will pay off later.

I think you should work the misogyny into your memos then.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 27, 2014, 12:22:28 AM
Yeah...this case has less to do with guns, and even less to do with society's misogyny, than it has more to do with being nuttier than squirrel shit.

This.  All the "misogyny" did here was pick out the guy's targets.  It could just as easily have been his parents with a spork from Taco Bell.

HAIL PATARICHY

MAH PENIS

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 29, 2014, 08:59:24 PM

Quote from: Ideologue on May 29, 2014, 08:51:25 PM
When did you get a job, anyway?

End of February.  Pay sucks, drive sucks, no benefits, but it's professional writing for the Feds, so I'm pretty much doing it for the resume in the naive and inevitable to-be-crushed hopes that it will pay off later.

I thought Federal pay was at least decent. What exactly do you mean by professional writing?

Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 30, 2014, 01:58:10 AM
I thought Federal pay was at least decent.

It is.  But I'm not a Federal employee.

QuoteWhat exactly do you mean by professional writing?

I type "Fuck You, Timmay" with the correct style guide citation.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 29, 2014, 08:50:28 PMQuestion:  what form of media should I use to demand the sex to which I am entitled from her?  Manifesto or YouTube video?  I'm thinking YouTube, what with her smartphone glued to her face

Naked instructional snapchats for her edification.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2014, 06:27:15 AM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 30, 2014, 01:58:10 AM
I thought Federal pay was at least decent.

It is.  But I'm not a Federal employee.

QuoteWhat exactly do you mean by professional writing?

I type "Fuck You, Timmay" with the correct style guide citation.

DeMoney, Count. Fuck You,Timmay. Baltimore: the Gub'Mint, 2014 Print.


It's been a while since I did one of those.  :Embarrass:

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 27, 2014, 07:57:02 PM
After all, the 2nd Amendment trumps officer safety.

Yep, just like the rest of the Bill of Rights.

Quote from: dps on May 31, 2014, 07:32:25 AM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 27, 2014, 07:57:02 PM
After all, the 2nd Amendment trumps officer safety.

Yep, just like the rest of the Bill of Rights.

Shove it up your gunshow loophole, Dershowitz.

Congratulations on the job!

Meh.  I'm pretty much working for free.  But spank you very much.

Now THAT will increase some shareholder value!

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 31, 2014, 08:45:54 AM

Quote from: dps on May 31, 2014, 07:32:25 AM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 27, 2014, 07:57:02 PM
After all, the 2nd Amendment trumps officer safety.

Yep, just like the rest of the Bill of Rights.

Shove it up your gunshow loophole, Dershowitz.

Well, he does have a point - sort of.

"Officer safety" does not trump basic human rights.

Now, the idea that the second was ever intended to include an individual right to carry weapons is pretty much patently and obviously bullshit, so his point is based on a rather well executed lie, but still.

"Land of the free, home of the brave".


You don't get the first part without the second.

Quote from: Berkut on June 01, 2014, 09:05:00 AM
Well, he does have a point - sort of.

"Officer safety" does not trump basic human rights.

Now, the idea that the second was ever intended to include an individual right to carry weapons is pretty much patently and obviously bullshit, so his point is based on a rather well executed lie, but still.

My reference wasn't for any overarching constitutional navel-gazing but, as I pointed out in my post, specifically addressed--

QuoteNow, if law enforcement had the ability to do an immediate check and find out he purchased multiple handguns in a short time frame prior to arriving for the welfare check, perhaps that would've added a certain awareness.  But the NRA would want you to believe otherwise.  After all, the 2nd Amendment trumps officer safety.

--after all, an officer can find out from his car how many motor vehicles are registered in your name, how many homes, how many boat trailers and and even how much child support you owe...but not how many firearms--you know, the actual devices specifically designed to kill people.  The NRA's fight against open registration is not a fight over a basic human right.

That is bullshit, and that's when I mean.  But sbr was being a contraryian douchebag with his answer, as is his wont.

What?   :lol:

Employees working for free increases shareholder value.  How did I get sucked into the gun debate?

Sorry, sbr...I meant dps.  :lol: :P

Quote from: dps on May 31, 2014, 07:32:25 AM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 27, 2014, 07:57:02 PM
After all, the 2nd Amendment trumps officer safety.

Yep, just like the rest of the Bill of Rights.

LOL yeah sure it does.  The only reason the 2nd does is because it has a powerful corporate lobby behind it.

Quote from: Berkut on June 01, 2014, 09:05:39 AM
"Land of the free, home of the brave".


You don't get the first part without the second.

Yep.

Quote from: Berkut on June 01, 2014, 09:05:39 AM
"Land of the free, home of the brave".


You don't get the first part without the second.

What if it were 'Land of the brave, free at home' ?

Quote from: mongers on June 01, 2014, 03:57:20 PM

Quote from: Berkut on June 01, 2014, 09:05:39 AM
"Land of the free, home of the brave".


You don't get the first part without the second.

What if it were 'Land of the brave, free at home' ?

Post quoted so you can't delete it when you realize how utterly moronic it makes you sound.  :lol:

Quote from: grumbler on June 01, 2014, 04:08:13 PM

Quote from: mongers on June 01, 2014, 03:57:20 PM

Quote from: Berkut on June 01, 2014, 09:05:39 AM
"Land of the free, home of the brave".


You don't get the first part without the second.

What if it were 'Land of the brave, free at home' ?

Post quoted so you can't delete it when you realize how utterly moronic it makes you sound.  :lol:

Wosh.

But good to see you reverting to 'Ad hominemesque' form. :cheers:

:cheers:

Quote from: Jaron on June 01, 2014, 05:01:36 PM
:cheers:

Hello Jaron, how are you doing ? 

Still enjoying life in the Mid-West* ?





* is that the correct regional desciption for Utah?

Quote from: mongers on June 01, 2014, 05:00:50 PM

Quote from: grumbler on June 01, 2014, 04:08:13 PM

Quote from: mongers on June 01, 2014, 03:57:20 PM

Quote from: Berkut on June 01, 2014, 09:05:39 AM
"Land of the free, home of the brave".


You don't get the first part without the second.

What if it were 'Land of the brave, free at home' ?

Post quoted so you can't delete it when you realize how utterly moronic it makes you sound.  :lol:

Wosh.

But good to see you reverting to 'Ad hominemesque' form. :cheers:

Okay, another post quoted for when I need an example of how people misuse the term "ad hominem."  You might want to look it up before you misuse it again.

Quote from: grumbler on June 01, 2014, 05:32:37 PM

Quote from: mongers on June 01, 2014, 05:00:50 PM

Quote from: grumbler on June 01, 2014, 04:08:13 PM

Quote from: mongers on June 01, 2014, 03:57:20 PM

Quote from: Berkut on June 01, 2014, 09:05:39 AM
"Land of the free, home of the brave".


You don't get the first part without the second.

What if it were 'Land of the brave, free at home' ?

Post quoted so you can't delete it when you realize how utterly moronic it makes you sound.  :lol:

Wosh.

But good to see you reverting to 'Ad hominemesque' form. :cheers:

Okay, another post quoted for when I need an example of how people misuse the term "ad hominem."  You might want to look it up before you misuse it again.

Excellent, do carry on biting. 

Quote from: mongers on June 01, 2014, 06:04:40 PM
Excellent, do carry on biting.

He's gotta get his money's worth out of those dentures.

I'm entitled to sex.

Go on.......