My favourite rock star in the world has been accused of crass anti-Semitism of late. He has taken the lead in the BDS movement against Israel (Boycott and Divestment Sanctions) and has become more and more outspoken. He argues, of course, that just because he criticizes Israeli handling of the Palestinians, does not make him an anti Semite. And I agree. But then he also says stuff like "some of my best friends are jews" :glare:. Lately though he says stuff just to cause shit. I mean comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is bound to be controversial. Still not anti semitic, though.
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/dec/14/pink-floyd-frontman-fury-israel-nazis
No, he's not an anti-semite. He's a naive and foolish intellectual lightweight, but I don't think he's especially prejudiced against Jews.
I thought he was trained not to spit on the fan.
Quote from: Neil on December 14, 2013, 08:02:22 PM
No, he's not an anti-semite. He's a naive and foolish intellectual lightweight, but I don't think he's especially prejudiced against Jews.
Agreed.
Also cracks me up that his antagonists in the article say how awful he is for comparing the occupation of the West Bank to the Holocaust, when Roger made no such comparison.
Quote from: Ideologue on December 14, 2013, 08:04:27 PM
I thought he was trained not to spit on the fan.
I thought he was only a stranger at home
At his age, he's allowed to say anything he wants. All the elderly do.
Anti-Semite. Whether consciously or not might be up for debate, but diffinitively anti-Semite.
When you blame an entire democratic society made of all kind of people of all ethnic, economic, social, and political spectrum, then you are an anti-Semite.
Quote from: Siege on December 15, 2013, 05:59:05 PM
Anti-Semite. Whether consciously or not might be up for debate, but diffinitively anti-Semite.
When you blame an entire democratic society made of all kind of people of all ethnic, economic, social, and political spectrum, then you are an anti-Semite.
I don't think you're able to effectively judge who is and isn't an anti-semite. Besides, when a country does an evil thing, you're allowed to condemn that country, even if there are all sorts of people in that country.
Quote from: Siege on December 15, 2013, 05:59:05 PM
When you blame an entire democratic society made of all kind of people of all ethnic, economic, social, and political spectrum, then you are an anti-Semite.
This makes no sense Seeb. Democratic societies get criticized all the time for their policy choices. For example you think keeping Jonathan Pollard in prison is a bad decision.
Quote from: Neil on December 15, 2013, 06:01:57 PM
Quote from: Siege on December 15, 2013, 05:59:05 PM
Anti-Semite. Whether consciously or not might be up for debate, but diffinitively anti-Semite.
When you blame an entire democratic society made of all kind of people of all ethnic, economic, social, and political spectrum, then you are an anti-Semite.
I don't think you're able to effectively judge who is and isn't an anti-semite. Besides, when a country does an evil thing, you're allowed to condemn that country, even if there are all sorts of people in that country.
Traditionally the 3D test is used to distinguish "legitimate criticism" from anti-semitism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_Test_of_Antisemitism
however, a flying balloon of a pig with stars of david painted on it sort of cries to be identified as anti-semitic
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thejc.com%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Fbody_landscape%2FRoger%2BWaters%2BPig.JPG&hash=cdbdeaf689fcfe5b783c96dc509449fcee5ff16d)
Is denial of the right of self-determination really anti-Semitic? What if I don't believe in any ethnicity's right to self-determination? If I think Scotland should be depopulated and recolonized by the Children of Josq in the event they attempt to leave the UK, does that make me anti-Semitic? Seems like a reach.
Quote from: Ideologue on December 15, 2013, 07:17:26 PM
Is denial of the right of self-determination really anti-Semitic? What if I don't believe in any ethnicity's right to self-determination? If I think Scotland should be depopulated and recolonized by the Children of Josq in the event they attempt to leave the UK, does that make me anti-Semitic? Seems like a reach.
Wilson's 14 points in general
but, specifically, Israel already exists, and in the case of this conflict those who are trying to deligitimize the state of israel are almost universally attmpting to replace it with a state asserting another people's right to self determination.
Are you suggesting Waters is trying to deligimitimize the state of Israel? Seems to me he's only criticizing their policies towards Palestinians.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 15, 2013, 07:29:49 PM
Are you suggesting Waters is trying to deligimitimize the state of Israel? Seems to me he's only criticizing their policies towards Palestinians.
Did I suggest that? I referred to the test and then suggested, independently of the test, that the flying j00 pig balloon might signify anti-semitism.
Quote from: Viking on December 15, 2013, 07:31:48 PM
Did I suggest that? I referred to the test and then suggested, independently of the test, that the flying j00 pig balloon might signify anti-semitism.
I was wondering who you were referring to when you said "those who are trying to deligitimize Israel."
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 15, 2013, 07:33:05 PM
Quote from: Viking on December 15, 2013, 07:31:48 PM
Did I suggest that? I referred to the test and then suggested, independently of the test, that the flying j00 pig balloon might signify anti-semitism.
I was wondering who you were referring to when you said "those who are trying to deligitimize Israel."
The people I was referring to are "those who are trying to deligitimize Israel". So, to answer your question, I wasn't referring to anybody specific.
Well, I don't want to beat a dead horse but that comment came out of left field.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 15, 2013, 07:48:03 PM
Well, I don't want to beat a dead horse but that comment came out of left field.
You can't beat that horse, siegy already threw it in a well.
Quote from: Viking on December 15, 2013, 06:57:22 PM
Traditionally the 3D test is used to distinguish "legitimate criticism" from anti-semitism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_Test_of_Antisemitism
:huh:
QuoteIt was published in the Jewish Political Studies Review in 2004.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 15, 2013, 07:48:03 PM
Well, I don't want to beat a dead horse but that comment came out of left field.
Did it? It was the prong of the test I had a specific problem with.
And Woodrow Wilson sucks. He thought Birth of a Nation was a great film, when in fact it is really long.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on December 15, 2013, 07:52:23 PM
Quote from: Viking on December 15, 2013, 06:57:22 PM
Traditionally the 3D test is used to distinguish "legitimate criticism" from anti-semitism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_Test_of_Antisemitism
:huh:
QuoteIt was published in the Jewish Political Studies Review in 2004.
Clearly not one Tevye would recognize.
A reasonable test.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on December 15, 2013, 07:52:23 PM
Quote from: Viking on December 15, 2013, 06:57:22 PM
Traditionally the 3D test is used to distinguish "legitimate criticism" from anti-semitism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_Test_of_Antisemitism
:huh:
QuoteIt was published in the Jewish Political Studies Review in 2004.
It's been 9 years, darling.
Quote from: Ideologue on December 15, 2013, 08:04:29 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 15, 2013, 07:48:03 PM
Well, I don't want to beat a dead horse but that comment came out of left field.
Did it? It was the prong of the test I had a specific problem with.
And Woodrow Wilson sucks. He thought Birth of a Nation was a great film, when in fact it is really long.
Hm. Pretty much agree with Ide here. That first D seems questionable compared to the other 2, and Wilson sucks.
Quote from: Ideologue on December 15, 2013, 08:04:29 PM
And Woodrow Wilson sucks. He thought Birth of a Nation was a great film, when in fact it is really long.
Big deal, you gave it a
C+.
Just a little joke. I've never seen it. It really is really long and since I don't anticipate actually finding much if any enjoyment in it, it's on my list, but there are lots of higher priorities.
Like what, From Justin To Kelly?
The Cronenberg, Keaton and Disney feature movies I haven't seen.
I look forward to the reviews comparing Mills' and Lohan's versions of The Parent Trap.
I'm also trying to get to 100 movies for 2013. That is, 100 movies released in 2013.
I'm at 63. :Embarrass: But technically I've got till like mid-January since I can't release any best or worst list till I get a chance to see Llewyn Davis and Blue Is the Warmest Color anyway.
Quote from: Viking on December 15, 2013, 07:49:33 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 15, 2013, 07:48:03 PM
Well, I don't want to beat a dead horse but that comment came out of left field.
You can't beat that horse, siegy already threw it in a well.
Hey, let me out of your naval duel with the Admiral.
I think he just crossed your T and his broadside just took out your bridge.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 15, 2013, 11:21:55 PM
Like what, From Justin To Kelly?
Is that Kelly Clarkson? :mmm:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 15, 2013, 11:40:44 PM
I look forward to the reviews comparing Mills' and Lohan's versions of The Parent Trap.
The Parent Trap is a classic. It revolutionized the movie making business and the entertainment industry at large.
Quote from: Siege on December 16, 2013, 09:00:52 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 15, 2013, 11:40:44 PM
I look forward to the reviews comparing Mills' and Lohan's versions of The Parent Trap.
The Parent Trap is a classic. It revolutionized the movie making business and the entertainment industry at large.
The sad thing is you're probably referring to the remake. :lol:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 15, 2013, 08:33:51 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on December 15, 2013, 07:52:23 PM
Quote from: Viking on December 15, 2013, 06:57:22 PM
Traditionally the 3D test is used to distinguish "legitimate criticism" from anti-semitism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_Test_of_Antisemitism
:huh:
QuoteIt was published in the Jewish Political Studies Review in 2004.
Clearly not one Tevye would recognize.
:XD:
Waters throws crosses, the muslim crescent moon, the Shell symbol, Dollar Signs and other symbols all over his Wall show. To single out the Star of David is nitpicking in my opinion.
have a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4hcjEbSteM