I though someone would post about the 40th anniversary of Yom Kippur War.
Al Jazeera had an interesting documentary about the first week, part of series telling the story of the war, with some rather interesting 'talking heads' from both sides. Also plenty of archive footage, which has been telecined rather well:
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/specialseries/2013/10/remembering-war-october-2013107122612930786.html (http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/specialseries/2013/10/remembering-war-october-2013107122612930786.html)
This first part is still airing today, the 9th and the 2nd part is available from the 10th.
Probably the most militarily creative the Egyptians have been in 3000 years. At least for the first couple of days. :P
Quote from: 11B4V on October 09, 2013, 12:28:13 AM
Probably the most militarily creative the Egyptians have been in 3000 years. At least for the first couple of days. :P
i beg to differ, the idea that egyptians don't know that water plus soil = mud and the mud flows downhill is preposterous ;)
While I agree their missile defenses were inventive. The most creative they had been militarily is pretending that the 6 day war didn't happen and that they won the yom kippur war.
I was alive but I don't remember the Yom Kippur War. I remember the 1982 Lebanon War and initially rooting for the Syrians because of my uncle. He & my granddad helped set me straight on that :Embarrass:
Quote from: 11B4V on October 09, 2013, 12:28:13 AM
Probably the most militarily creative the Egyptians have been in 3000 years. At least for the first couple of days. :P
What about the Mamelukes?
That would be more Circassian or Abkhazian military creativity.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 10, 2013, 10:33:21 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on October 09, 2013, 12:28:13 AM
Probably the most militarily creative the Egyptians have been in 3000 years. At least for the first couple of days. :P
What about the Mamelukes?
Tatars and Circassians.
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on October 10, 2013, 10:52:01 AM
That would be more Circassian or Abkhazian military creativity.
A lot of them were primarily or only Turcophones.
Don't forget Albanian military creativity. ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_of_Egypt
Ya, I was going to post Ali but then remembered that he was Albanian. Egypt sucks.
Quote from: Malthus on October 10, 2013, 11:01:35 AM
Don't forget Albanian military creativity. ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_of_Egypt
Shame about that Parkinson's. :(
That said, Ali's involvement in Greece would have been near-genocidal. Though, oddly, the fear of slaughter by Egyptian intervention finally stirred European intervention in the Greek War of Independence.
Quote from: derspiess on October 09, 2013, 10:40:24 AM
I was alive but I don't remember the Yom Kippur War. I remember the 1982 Lebanon War and initially rooting for the Syrians because of my uncle. He & my granddad helped set me straight on that :Embarrass:
Elaborate.
Quote from: Siege on October 11, 2013, 04:27:56 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 09, 2013, 10:40:24 AM
I was alive but I don't remember the Yom Kippur War. I remember the 1982 Lebanon War and initially rooting for the Syrians because of my uncle. He & my granddad helped set me straight on that :Embarrass:
Elaborate.
They're Palestinian-Americans.
Israel needs to fully annex Jerusalem and then establish themselves on both sides of the Jordan River.
Alarmingly, Jewish-Americans seem to be disintegrating.
Quote from: Phillip V on October 11, 2013, 06:13:26 PM
Israel needs to fully annex Jerusalem and then establish themselves on both sides of the Jordan River.
Alarmingly, Jewish-Americans seem to be disintegrating.
:huh:
Our J.R. seems to be a reliable hold it all together sort of guy.
Quote from: Phillip V on October 11, 2013, 06:13:26 PM
Israel needs to fully annex Jerusalem and then establish themselves on both sides of the Jordan River.
Alarmingly, Jewish-Americans seem to be disintegrating.
Very true.
Quote from: mongers on October 11, 2013, 06:24:26 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on October 11, 2013, 06:13:26 PM
Israel needs to fully annex Jerusalem and then establish themselves on both sides of the Jordan River.
Alarmingly, Jewish-Americans seem to be disintegrating.
:huh:
Our J.R. seems to be a reliable hold it all together sort of guy.
Fuck no.
He is a faggot and a liberal and an anti-Israel kind of guy.
He would sell Israel in a heartbeat if it meant his personal security.
When the brown shirts come asking questions, he will sell us out.
By the way, when I say faggot I don't mean anti-gay shit, but weakness and selling out.
No offense intended.
JR is deep down an anti-Israeli though.
I can read through his post, and find the true meaning of life.
Quote from: Siege on October 12, 2013, 10:44:15 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 11, 2013, 06:24:26 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on October 11, 2013, 06:13:26 PM
Israel needs to fully annex Jerusalem and then establish themselves on both sides of the Jordan River.
Alarmingly, Jewish-Americans seem to be disintegrating.
:huh:
Our J.R. seems to be a reliable hold it all together sort of guy.
Fuck no.
He is a faggot and a liberal and an anti-Israel kind of guy.
He would sell Israel in a heartbeat if it meant his personal security.
When the brown shirts come asking questions, he will sell us out.
By the way, when I say faggot I don't mean anti-gay shit, but weakness and selling out.
No offense intended.
JR is deep down an anti-Israeli though.
I can read through his post, and find the true meaning of life.
:lol: I don't think I've ever seen someone call someone else a faggot, followed by "no offense intended".
Quote from: DGuller on October 12, 2013, 10:46:22 PM
:lol: I don't think I've ever seen someone call someone else a faggot, followed by "no offense intended".
Well, since Siege didn't mean he was gay, but only that he was weak and a sellout, one can see why he wouldn't think that was offensive. :hmm:
Quote from: DGuller on October 12, 2013, 10:46:22 PM
:lol: I don't think I've ever seen someone call someone else a faggot, followed by "no offense intended".
why would anybody think that telling a block of wood would have any effect?
I didn't know that JR is a member of Jews against Zionism.
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I don't know, I kind of got a sense of sidelocks from some of JR's posts.
The funny thing is that these Neurei Karta weasles will be in the forefront of calling for ethnic cleansing of palestinians from israel the day after the messiah arrives. Ok, not funny, merely pathetic and evil.
Siege isn't criminal.
Quote from: Viking on October 13, 2013, 01:31:34 AM
The funny thing is that these Neurei Karta weasles will be in the forefront of calling for ethnic cleansing of palestinians from israel the day after the messiah arrives. Ok, not funny, merely pathetic and evil.
So, you think the messiah will be arriving anytime soon?
Quote from: Siege on October 12, 2013, 10:44:15 PM
By the way, when I say faggot I don't mean anti-gay shit, but weakness and selling out.
No offense intended.
Surely none taken :lol:
I understand that in some circles (Yisrael Biteinu, parts of the House GOP, your head) sanity and general mental health is taken as a sign of weakness.
The sad thing is that you don't realize that the ultra-hardliners and outright racists you favor have done, are doing, and will do more harm to Israel than all the Iranian ayatollahs put together.
I like the idea that Siege views me as the opposite of weak.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 14, 2013, 12:40:36 PM
I like the idea that Siege views me as the opposite of weak.
You are stronk like donkey.
But Siege is stronk like elephant. He beat you.
Quote from: Siege on October 11, 2013, 04:27:56 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 09, 2013, 10:40:24 AM
I was alive but I don't remember the Yom Kippur War. I remember the 1982 Lebanon War and initially rooting for the Syrians because of my uncle. He & my granddad helped set me straight on that :Embarrass:
Elaborate.
I didn't know what Israel was & since I at least knew someone from a Syrian family, I decided to root for that side. My uncle came from a Syrian Christian family, though, with zero affinity for the modern state of Syria. Turn out my uncle was/is staunchly conservative, so he naturally favored Israel. My granddad was a conservative Democrat and pro-Israel to the extent that he gave any thought to foreigners :D
Also in 1982 I was initially unsure of who to root for in the Falklands War. I had just read a little on the War of 1812 so I was pissed at the British for burning DC. Yet I had zero clue what on earth an Argentine was, as the news never bothered to show any pictures or footage of them. So I sided with the devil I knew.
I just thought it was hilarious to watch the Brits put together a fleet made up of ASW ships, carriers with subsonic aircraft and a luxury liner to go all the way to Antarctica to avenge their colonial past. It was a real-life Battlestar Galactica flotilla...a ragtag fugitive fleet...on a lonely quest...for a shining star...called...Sheep.
Were it not for the skill and courage of the Argentine air force, the war would not have been nearly as enjoyable to spectate.
All my wife remembers of the war is a bunch of pro-war demonstrations downtown and her mom sending blankets to the troops.
Which were ripped apart to make surrender flags.
God the Falklands. The end of kick ass British. Now everybody gets an ASBO and a health and safety warning.
The UK makes me sick now.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 14, 2013, 03:06:26 PM
I just thought it was hilarious to watch the Brits put together a fleet made up of ASW ships, carriers with subsonic aircraft and a luxury liner to go all the way to Antarctica to avenge their colonial past. It was a real-life Battlestar Galactica flotilla...a ragtag fugitive fleet...on a lonely quest...for a shining star...called...Sheep.
Just proves how inept the Argies were.
:lol:
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I wouldn't go so far as to call them inept, but their WW2 surplus iron bombs could've been a little fresher. A lot of duds hit their marks.
And the fact that after the Belgrano, they got a case of the Kaisers and refused to sortie, as well as deploy the full strength of their air assets, which really could've shit up the works for Maggie.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 14, 2013, 09:08:42 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to call them inept, but their WW2 surplus iron bombs could've been a little fresher. A lot of duds hit their marks.
And the fact that after the Belgrano, they got a case of the Kaisers and refused to sortie, as well as deploy the full strength of their air assets, which really could've shit up the works for Maggie.
I thought the issue was a lot of the Argentine pilots were going in so low, that on release the bombs didn't have enough flight time/height to arm ? :unsure:
Not sure about their air assets, they committed most of what they had, and the extreme combat radius was an issue for much of it; iirc didn't some of the skyhawks and perhaps one of the other types, rely on lashed up buddy-buddy tankering ?
In any case, I'm on the junta's high command staff, I win that war.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 14, 2013, 09:26:20 PM
In any case, I'm on the junta's high command staff, I win that war.
I won it playing Harpoon. :outback:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 14, 2013, 09:08:42 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to call them inept, but their WW2 surplus iron bombs could've been a little fresher. A lot of duds hit their marks.
And the fact that after the Belgrano, they got a case of the Kaisers and refused to sortie, as well as deploy the full strength of their air assets, which really could've shit up the works for Maggie.
Then what would you call the Argie performance?
:lol: Shoulda, coulda, woulda.
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:wub:
Quote from: 11B4V on October 15, 2013, 09:43:25 AM
Then what would you call the Argie performance?
Substandard.