Just to shake things up a little, here's a different sort of topic.
How do you differentiate an artist from a crafter? How do you define each of them, and what's the difference between them?
"Arts and Crafts" go together like peas and carrots, Jen-nay.
A different sort of topic from? :unsure:
Crafts are nearly indistinguishable, save for minor variances, art is unique.
*edit then again I'm neither a crafter nor an artist.
Quote from: garbon on August 19, 2013, 07:38:40 AM
A different sort of topic from? :unsure:
Political mudslinging topics.
So we can sling mud over artists and craftsmen instead :yeah:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 19, 2013, 07:49:11 AM
So we can sling mud over artists and craftsmen instead :yeah:
I'm sure that's a thing somewhere. Probably in Tijuana.
Quote from: HVC on August 19, 2013, 07:53:07 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 19, 2013, 07:49:11 AM
So we can sling mud over artists and craftsmen instead :yeah:
I'm sure that's a thing somewhere. Probably in Tijuana.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: garbon on August 19, 2013, 07:54:23 AM
Quote from: HVC on August 19, 2013, 07:53:07 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 19, 2013, 07:49:11 AM
So we can sling mud over artists and craftsmen instead :yeah:
I'm sure that's a thing somewhere. Probably in Tijuana.
:rolleyes:
what, they're too good for mudslinging, but donkey shows are A OK? :unsure: :P
At any rate, Meri, I don't think I ever use the term crafter. If I were to use it, I think I'd use it to describe things like glass blowing, furniture or jewelry making vs. artist for things like painting, drawing, sculpting, etc.
Quote from: HVC on August 19, 2013, 07:57:29 AM
Quote from: garbon on August 19, 2013, 07:54:23 AM
Quote from: HVC on August 19, 2013, 07:53:07 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 19, 2013, 07:49:11 AM
So we can sling mud over artists and craftsmen instead :yeah:
I'm sure that's a thing somewhere. Probably in Tijuana.
:rolleyes:
what, they're too good for mudslinging, but donkey shows are A OK? :unsure: :P
Tijuana is good for nothing.
Quote from: garbon on August 19, 2013, 07:58:37 AM
Tijuana is good for nothing.
Their slogan is "At least we're not Juarez".
Quote from: garbon on August 19, 2013, 07:57:40 AM
At any rate, Meri, I don't think I ever use the term crafter. If I were to use it, I think I'd use it to describe things like glass blowing, furniture or jewelry making vs. artist for things like painting, drawing, sculpting, etc.
Yeah, I wouldn't use the term "crafter" either (apparantly Meri wanted a gender-neutral form of the word "craftsman"), but that's how I would distinguish it from "artist" in pretty much the same way.
Quote from: dps on August 19, 2013, 09:10:37 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't use the term "crafter" either (apparantly Meri wanted a gender-neutral form of the word "craftsman"), but that's how I would distinguish it from "artist" in pretty much the same way.
Crafter is commonly used among women who do things like embroidery, sewing, jewelry making, etc. A craftsman, to me, makes a living at their work, whereas a crafter does it as a hobby.
Is that the end of the thread then? :unsure:
Quote from: garbon on August 19, 2013, 09:51:12 AM
Is that the end of the thread then? :unsure:
Why? :huh:
I was only explaining how the term is often used, not that that's how it should be used.
I see many quilts that are works of art. Are they crafters or artists? I have seen amazing carved wood boxes that are without a doubt artistic, but is the creator a crafter?
There doesn't seem like much to discuss if crafter is a term that people aren't using. -_-
I'd actually thought about some of the impressive things that I've seen knitted but then was like, I don't really have a term that I use for a person that would make like that and would be open to whatever one what to call one's self.
Quote from: garbon on August 19, 2013, 10:03:00 AM
There doesn't seem like much to discuss if crafter is a term that people aren't using. -_-
I DO :mad:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 19, 2013, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: garbon on August 19, 2013, 10:03:00 AM
There doesn't seem like much to discuss if crafter is a term that people aren't using. -_-
I DO :mad:
OK, crazy old cat lady.
Quote from: garbon on August 19, 2013, 10:03:00 AM
There doesn't seem like much to discuss if crafter is a term that people aren't using. -_-
:mellow:
I just got done saying that it's a term that's often used to describe people do sew, knit, etc. I don't understand what you're saying.
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I'd actually thought about some of the impressive things that I've seen knitted but then was like, I don't really have a term that I use for a person that would make like that and would be open to whatever one what to call one's self.
Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Is someone who knits an artist, or a crafter? At what point does one cross over from one to the other?
Quote from: merithyn on August 19, 2013, 10:40:25 AM
:mellow:
I just got done saying that it's a term that's often used to describe people do sew, knit, etc. I don't understand what you're saying.
I meant people here.:P
Quote from: merithyn on August 19, 2013, 10:40:25 AM
Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Is someone who knits an artist, or a crafter? At what point does one cross over from one to the other?
I guess it depends on the specifics of the object. If a tacky sweater, not sure that I'd support the label of either. :D
How about "artisan"?
An artist creates original work, a crafty sort of person executes more or less the same item.
Yeah a crafter has to be able to reproduce his/her product with consistency. Jackson Pollack not so much.
Quote from: merithyn on August 19, 2013, 07:31:48 AM
Just to shake things up a little, here's a different sort of topic.
How do you differentiate an artist from a crafter? How do you define each of them, and what's the difference between them?
You don't, in my view the best of 'each' has plenty of the other informing it (or in forming it).
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 19, 2013, 11:19:43 AM
Yeah a crafter has to be able to reproduce his/her product with consistency. Jackson Pollack not so much.
So were Warhol and Duchamp crafters?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 19, 2013, 11:04:41 AM
How about "artisan"?
It has become so overused it is in danger of being meaningless.
Quote from: merithyn on August 19, 2013, 10:40:25 AM
Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Is someone who knits an artist, or a crafter? At what point does one cross over from one to the other?
Well, perhaps we can bring in the subject of intent. Does someone knit a sweater with the intent that it be worn, or with the intent that it be displayed as a work of art?
Quote from: dps on August 19, 2013, 12:02:15 PM
Quote from: merithyn on August 19, 2013, 10:40:25 AM
Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Is someone who knits an artist, or a crafter? At what point does one cross over from one to the other?
Well, perhaps we can bring in the subject of intent. Does someone knit a sweater with the intent that it be worn, or with the intent that it be displayed as a work of art?
What if it's intended to be worn as a work of art?
I crafted a short sword +5.
I've heard of Minecraft, but not Mineartist. :unsure:
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 19, 2013, 12:07:24 PM
I crafted a short sword +5.
:console:
It's not the size of the ship but the motion in the ocean.
If I was gonna have a penis up my ass, I'd rather it be a small one. :pinch:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 19, 2013, 12:25:09 PM
If I was gonna have a penis up my ass, I'd rather it be a small one. :pinch:
Quoted for posteriority.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 19, 2013, 12:25:09 PM
If I was gonna have a penis up my ass, I'd rather it be a small one. :pinch:
Odd. Also no as that would be counter to the aim of hitting the prostate.
Quote from: garbon on August 19, 2013, 12:30:37 PM
Odd. Also no as that would be counter to the aim of hitting the prostate.
Thick turds are painful to push through, I'd assume the same principles are involved.
Well yes, you wouldn't just have it rammed right in from the get go. :blink:
Quote from: lustindarkness on August 19, 2013, 12:29:25 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 19, 2013, 12:25:09 PM
If I was gonna have a penis up my ass, I'd rather it be a small one. :pinch:
Quoted for posteriority.
:lol:
Are you punishing me?
Quote from: lustindarkness on August 19, 2013, 12:45:57 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 19, 2013, 12:37:32 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on August 19, 2013, 12:29:25 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 19, 2013, 12:25:09 PM
If I was gonna have a penis up my ass, I'd rather it be a small one. :pinch:
Quoted for posteriority.
:lol:
Are you punishing me?
No, you are not my type.
I knew I should have left the hyphen in.
:D
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 19, 2013, 12:25:09 PM
If I was gonna have a penis up my ass, I'd rather it be a small one. :pinch:
:(
We just need DGul to show up and say something about the president's sack in his mouth.
Quote from: garbon on August 19, 2013, 02:31:34 PM
We just need DGul to show up and say something about the president's sack in his mouth.
I don't think he could get past the Secret Service.
Quote from: garbon on August 19, 2013, 12:30:37 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 19, 2013, 12:25:09 PM
If I was gonna have a penis up my ass, I'd rather it be a small one. :pinch:
Odd. Also no as that would be counter to the aim of hitting the prostate.
:huh: :unsure:
I thought the prostate was only about an inch or so in.
Quote from: merithyn on August 19, 2013, 03:20:39 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 19, 2013, 12:30:37 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 19, 2013, 12:25:09 PM
If I was gonna have a penis up my ass, I'd rather it be a small one. :pinch:
Odd. Also no as that would be counter to the aim of hitting the prostate.
:huh: :unsure:
I thought the prostate was only about an inch or so in.
I've no idea. I can only speak for experience that says too short is not very good*. Really you want the goldicocks - not too big and not to small. :scots:
*Perhaps that extra length allows for more pressure.
Any debate that is about defining art makes me wanna puke.
Quote from: The Brain on August 19, 2013, 03:34:59 PM
Any debate that is about defining art makes me wanna puke.
Performance art?
Quote from: The Brain on August 19, 2013, 03:34:59 PM
Any debate that is about defining art makes me wanna puke.
Shock art has been done. At this point it is really just shock craft.
edit: too slow
Interesting how the origins and usage of these words have changed overtime, especially in relation to manufacturing.
In one sense craft used to also mean the techniques used to make sometime, being crafty was at one time a compliment, but seems to have changed over time to mean 'clever' even 'underhand'.
It's even sometimes combined with git (another industrial term), so someone could be described as a 'crafty git', meaning I'd say, someone with little talent use but who manages to gain something undeserved or achieve their aim. As opposed to a move obvious 'useless git'
Never look a git horse in the mouth.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 19, 2013, 12:25:09 PM
If I was gonna have a penis up my ass, I'd rather it be a small one. :pinch:
If you'd rather that your ass be small, perhaps you should go on a diet.
:)
Quote from: dps on August 19, 2013, 03:42:56 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 19, 2013, 12:25:09 PM
If I was gonna have a penis up my ass, I'd rather it be a small one. :pinch:
If you'd rather that your ass be small, perhaps you should go on a diet.
:)
Fat shaming! :angry:
Quote from: The Brain on August 19, 2013, 03:41:59 PM
Never look a git horse in the mouth.
Git in this context probably means gate, as in a gate thorough which you pour molten metal in foundry work.
Quote from: mongers on August 19, 2013, 03:45:54 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 19, 2013, 03:41:59 PM
Never look a git horse in the mouth.
Git in this context probably means gate, as in a gate thorough which you pour molten metal in foundry work.
The post-the-first-thing-that-comes-into-my-mind context?
Quote from: The Brain on August 19, 2013, 03:48:12 PM
Quote from: mongers on August 19, 2013, 03:45:54 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 19, 2013, 03:41:59 PM
Never look a git horse in the mouth.
Git in this context probably means gate, as in a gate thorough which you pour molten metal in foundry work.
The post-the-first-thing-that-comes-into-my-mind context?
No that was the context of your post, we'd been talking about the meaning of craft etc. :)
Quote from: mongers on August 19, 2013, 03:51:51 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 19, 2013, 03:48:12 PM
Quote from: mongers on August 19, 2013, 03:45:54 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 19, 2013, 03:41:59 PM
Never look a git horse in the mouth.
Git in this context probably means gate, as in a gate thorough which you pour molten metal in foundry work.
The post-the-first-thing-that-comes-into-my-mind context?
No that was the context of your post, we'd been talking about the meaning of craft etc. :)
Why did you quote me then? You know what, forget I asked...
Quote from: The Brain on August 19, 2013, 03:54:00 PMWhy did you quote me then? You know what, forget I asked...
Good idea.
You happy, Meri? Your discussion on Arts and Crafts went straight to prostate-ramming ass play and the President's scrotum.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 19, 2013, 05:55:44 PM
You happy, Meri? Your discussion on Arts and Crafts went straight to prostate-ramming ass play and the President's scrotum.
Blame Teach. I don't know why he launched into his wants for anal sex.
Quote from: garbon on August 19, 2013, 06:27:08 PM
Blame Teach. I don't know why he launched into his wants for anal sex.
I just don't get why you have the same specification requirements as women when the hole is so much smaller.
This is why we can't have nice things, Teach. Asshole.
Sorry but I don't know anything about the specification requirements of women. Also, I'd venture that not everyone has small holes. I mean think about fisting.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 19, 2013, 06:29:51 PM
Asshole.
And yet you want the conversation to stay on topic. Go back to p'dox, I hear they love that. :rolleyes:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 19, 2013, 06:29:51 PM
This is why we can't have nice things, Teach. Asshole.
I thought we couldn't have nice things because we were unemployed and had no money.