Poll
Question:
What grade would you give Obama's presidency so far?
Option 1: A
votes: 3
Option 2: B
votes: 10
Option 3: C
votes: 29
Option 4: D
votes: 10
Option 5: F
votes: 3
Option 6: J(aron)
votes: 0
What grade would you give Obama for his performance thus far?
I would say somewhere between a B and a C. B-?
He gets a F for not doing what I wanted him to do :glare:
But I guess overall he gets a C. His inability to work with Congress renders him pretty inneffective.
D
A for the bombing brown people class
C for everything else.
C, but that is an upgrade from a D because I figure he has an exceptionally difficult job because the Republicans are being such complete and utter douchebags. On the other hand, he has completely and utterly failed to handle them being complete and utter douchebags.
Quote from: Berkut on July 19, 2013, 08:14:22 AM
C, but that is an upgrade from a D because I figure he has an exceptionally difficult job because the Republicans are being such complete and utter douchebags. On the other hand, he has completely and utterly failed to handle them being complete and utter douchebags.
This. +1
I'd like to poke out the eyes of people who post 'this'.
Nothing against you DG, just a pet peeve of mine. And I feel better now getting that off my chest.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2013, 08:17:54 AM
I'd like to poke out the eyes of people who post 'this'.
Nothing against you DG, just a pet peeve of mine. And I feel better now getting that off my chest.
This.
:lol:
I saw what you did DG. :lol:
I think B overall. Generally solid on security and foreign policy. In Obamacare a more substantial domestic achievement than any President since LBJ. He also deserves credit for a set of policies from the election on that helped stop an awful recession from turning into a depression (Bush and McCain also deserve credit) and gave the US the strongest recovery in the developed world.
I think had immigration reform and, say, gun control passed he'd be pushing to an A.
I sort-of shared Andrew Sullivan's hope that a younger charismatic President would sort of move everything beyond the boomer culture wars. Actually it looks like they've just infected everything in American politics, which is a shame. But I think culturally or socially he'll be significant to and, in my view, his contribution's positive: a President supporting gay marriage and mentioning gays in his inauguration, a black President and a black first family.
B for international trade agreements and state health insurance exchanges; C for foreign policy; D for ramping up drug war and border enforcement. I'm on the fence re: Medicaid expansion, since at this point even I'd prefer single-payer. A for gun control failure and his amazing ablative shielding in the cabinet departments. Eric Holder is the sweetest meatshield of all time.
I'll say this: he's a better president than Mississippi's governor is a governor, but that's a low fucking bar.
Sheilbh is so...generous.
C- to D+ range but since others overgrade him I decided to undergrade him for the sake of balance and a better looking poll result.
Quote from: garbon on July 19, 2013, 08:49:12 AM
Sheilbh is so...generous.
No kidding. Probably gives Bush a B+.
I gave him a B, but I really wanted to give him a B-.
I think the Healthcare Reform, however watered down, has some of the best necessary medical reform we've seen in ages. I love that he's supportive of gay marriage now, but it detracts that he waited so long to do so. I think his handling of the recession was very well-done, and the fact that the US never really lost control unlike some other nations is a credit to his policy. His foreign-policy has been, in my opinion, pretty spot on. The economy and healthcare reform are the two that push him up from a C to a B-, in my mind.
He's been abysmal at dealing with Congress, however. That's partly due to the Republican line of doing whatever they can to thwart him, but I think in order to be a good, effective President, one has to be able to deal with that and still get shit done. Obama has not. I appreciate that he's killed Osama, got us out of Iraq, and is getting us out of Afghanistan, but I'm disgusted with his handling of immigration reform (or lack of handling). And the reality is that we were going to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan no matter who was President. We can't afford to stay, financially or otherwise. And his complete lack of response and guidance regarding women's issues as they are destroyed one state at a time is infuriating.
He made a lot of promises that he didn't keep, but that happens since he doesn't rule in a vacuum. In the end, he held us together during a massive, world-wide recession, he openly supports legal rights for all, and his healthcare reform puts us on the right footing for safe, affordable healthcare for everyone.
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Quote from: Habbaku on July 19, 2013, 09:06:42 AM
No kidding. Probably gives Bush a B+.
I'd give Bush an A for 2006-08. I think the surge is hugely overrated, but it was one of few options available to the US and well-executed, plus his response to financial crisis was exactly what was needed (unlike that of most of his party).
But then I think 2002-06 were disastrous.
Social policy: a solid C, gets points for gay marriage, is not deducted for gun control as that was a Quixotic crusade in the first place and everybody knows it wasn't going to happen anyway, but is deducted points for not addressing voter registration and suppression issues like he said he would Election Night.
Economic policy: a weak C for pushing Obamacare and rescuing the American auto industry that everybody seems to hate because there's a union involved, but loses points for not only not kicking Wall Street in the fucking nutsack enough, but giving them even more power to avoid accountability as well as not taxing Yi's rich friends and their corporations enough. Doesn't lose points for sequestration, because there was no way Congress was going to let him dodge it to begin with.
Foreign policy: Solid B for droning the living shit out of everybody in a turban, making the strategic pivot to the Pacific and actively pursuing a collective security environment against China, letting the Euros do the heavy lifting with Libya, a progressive approach to nuclear reduction, Stuxnet, keeping things as opaque as possible regarding Iran and at least trying to get the Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative off the ground. Loses points for having an incredibly poor public relations platform that even Hillary couldn't overcome.
Overall: C. His administration certainly has its weaknesses as does the man himself, who seems a bit too deliberate and professorial at times which gives the impression of distance and an ineffective aloofness, but that's eclipsed by a Congress that hasn't been this hostile and obstructionist against a President for no other reason than pure hatred since the Civil War.
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2013, 09:12:36 AM
In the end, he held us together during a massive, world-wide recession, he openly supports legal rights for all, and his healthcare reform puts us on the right footing for safe, affordable healthcare for everyone.
Held us together? I'm not sure we were in danger of a civil war...and hard to say that partisan strife is at a low end. So, care to explain? :D
Quote from: garbon on July 19, 2013, 09:58:59 AM
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2013, 09:12:36 AM
In the end, he held us together during a massive, world-wide recession, he openly supports legal rights for all, and his healthcare reform puts us on the right footing for safe, affordable healthcare for everyone.
Held us together? I'm not sure we were in danger of a civil war...and hard to say that partisan strife is at a low end. So, care to explain? :D
I think she means economically.
Quote from: Jacob on July 19, 2013, 10:10:49 AM
I think she means economically.
Certainly not racially, what with all these creepy ass crackers hating on the man.
Quote from: Berkut on July 19, 2013, 08:14:22 AM
C, but that is an upgrade from a D because I figure he has an exceptionally difficult job because the Republicans are being such complete and utter douchebags. On the other hand, he has completely and utterly failed to handle them being complete and utter douchebags.
I basically agree but leaned slightly D because some prominent failures that were basically entirely his come to the front of my mind. He's really bungled most of his major foreign policy initiatives, for example. That's actually something almost entirely under Presidential control. I also think his response to a growing axis of anti-American countries that are increasingly working together (Iran, Russia, the Western Hemisphere Loser-countries) has been extremely ineffective.
I read an article a few years ago in Foreign Policy about how a President should most fairly be judged based on what he does with foreign policy, civil rights, and the military because those three things a President has a great deal of power totally unrestricted by legislative checks. (Ex. Truman desegregating the military, Teddy inviting blacks to dinner and appointing them to civil service posts, Nixon's detente with China etc.) On some issues like Guantanamo, the unique legal situation meant Obama really couldn't do much, but on lots of other areas he's done little to roll back Bush era excesses. [I should note I take the view that Presidents like Lincoln, FDR, Bush who serve during crisis times have validly encroached on liberties but we've always claimed them back, something that hasn't happened this time.]
So on foreign policy and rights I give Obama a D- and an F respectively. On military I grade him fairly highly, he showed poor decision making in his early thinking on how to end our involvement with Afghanistan but his trimming of the military has been wise and mostly well directed and his decision to use extensive drone bombing campaigns has delivered amazing results.
Outside of foreign policy, rights, and the military I give Obama mixed reviews but don't weight them heavily in my consideration of his Presidency. Mostly because I'm not sure any Democratic President should take much blame for this crop of Republicans in the House, and on issues like the economy and domestic policy I correctly understand the power of the Presidency is substantially more limited than most people believe. Plus he's had some good domestic policy initiatives that have gotten implemented.
I see foreign policy a lot differently than you guys. I see a growing axis of countries working against our interests that Obama has done nothing to circumvent. Throughout Latin America, to Russia, to Iran. He has in my opinion walked on the razor's edge mostly via indecision with the Arab Spring and we could ultimately see disaster there depending on how Syria and Egypt turn out.
Our relationship with China has maybe gotten a bit 'closer' but China now pushes us around more and wields more power relative to us, China has also expanded its reach throughout parts of the developing world where America has little influence. We've done very little to counter Chinese bullying all around its sphere of influence and have mostly abandoned traditional allies like Japan which now will most likely pursue ultimately full remilitarization and perhaps even nuclearization some day. Taiwan is well aware that it has no friends in America any longer and is going to increasingly come under the Chinese thumb.
One of the most effective foreign policy shifts an American President could make would be to totally divorce ourselves from Pakistan and embrace India. India is unfairly a pseudo-pariah state because it developed nuclear weapons and the United States developed close ties with Pakistan. Despite all the raping going on there, India is actually a country that shares more of our cultural and political values than China. Further, China is too close to us to do anything bad with our relationship if we move closer with India. We should be developing greater working relationships and investment in the subcontinent and that is our best way to build a stronger sphere of influence relative to the Chinese and Russians.
Quote from: Jacob on July 19, 2013, 10:10:49 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 19, 2013, 09:58:59 AM
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2013, 09:12:36 AM
In the end, he held us together during a massive, world-wide recession, he openly supports legal rights for all, and his healthcare reform puts us on the right footing for safe, affordable healthcare for everyone.
Held us together? I'm not sure we were in danger of a civil war...and hard to say that partisan strife is at a low end. So, care to explain? :D
I think she means economically.
:yes:
As I stated earlier in the post, I think his policy did a lot to keep us from tanking along with a number of other countries, which arguably kept the economy stronger across the board than it could have been.
In other words, he didn't pull a Hoover. ;)
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 19, 2013, 10:26:03 AM
Our relationship with China has maybe gotten a bit 'closer' but China now pushes us around more and wields more power relative to us, China has also expanded its reach throughout parts of the developing world where America has little influence. We've done very little to counter Chinese bullying all around its sphere of influence and have mostly abandoned traditional allies like Japan which now will most likely pursue ultimately full remilitarization and perhaps even nuclearization some day. Taiwan is well aware that it has no friends in America any longer and is going to increasingly come under the Chinese thumb.
I disagree with almost all of your stuff on foreign policy - I think Iran's significantly weaker both regionally and internationally, Russia's Russia and the Latin American misfits don't seem to have any momentum (though that's due to what's going on there Obama, like Bush, seems to entirely lack a Latin American policy). There are lots of things you describe that were present when Obama took office. What matters is whether they're stronger or weaker, which way the momentum is going and why. On that count I think Obama's been successful.
But this bit strikes me as really inaccurate. Obama himself toured the region, but so did Clinton, Gates and Panetta hoovering up new cooperation deals with countries like Vietnam, the Philippines, Indonesia. A few concrete examples are basing a fleet in Singapore, training exercises and cooperation with Indonesia and joint exercises with the Philippines. In addition there's all of the arms deals going on which on the one hand can confront current problems like terrorism and piracy, but will also affect Chinese calculations in the region.
In Asia I think Obama's, wisely, expanded American influence and friends to counter China. To an extent he's played catchup because for a long time American policy in Asia was Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and China, but as I say I think he's expanded the picture to include new relationships rather than just dumped the old allies. Add into that the goal to create a trade deal with ASEAN and I think it's a solid approach. Of course he's been helped quite significantly by a lot of Chinese overreach.
I think Asia's probably his biggest area of success, not surprisingly given that it's one of the relatively few areas (terrorism's another) where there seems to be a clear strategy.
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 19, 2013, 10:49:45 AM
But this bit strikes me as really inaccurate. Obama himself toured the region, but so did Clinton, Gates and Panetta hoovering up new cooperation deals with countries like Vietnam, the Philippines, Indonesia. A few concrete examples are basing a fleet in Singapore, training exercises and cooperation with Indonesia and joint exercises with the Philippines. In addition there's all of the arms deals going on which on the one hand can confront current problems like terrorism and piracy, but will also affect Chinese calculations in the region.
In Asia I think Obama's, wisely, expanded American influence and friends to counter China. To an extent he's played catchup because for a long time American policy in Asia was Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and China, but as I say I think he's expanded the picture to include new relationships rather than just dumped the old allies. Add into that the goal to create a trade deal with ASEAN and I think it's a solid approach. Of course he's been helped quite significantly by a lot of Chinese overreach.
I think Asia's probably his biggest area of success, not surprisingly given that it's one of the relatively few areas (terrorism's another) where there seems to be a clear strategy.
Yeah, I think Otto's a bit off the mark regarding the Pacific as well. The Obama Administration has been very on point and very specific in regards to strengthening both the individual relationships with its allies and in developing a layered and interlocking security based not only on defense but economic arrangements in the region as a whole.
Though I do agree with Otto's opinion on increasing our cooperation with India as a natural and historic foil to China and, after the US-Japan axis, they also happen to be the PRC's greatest concern for the future in their strategic framework. Shame his own party doesn't agree.
D
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 19, 2013, 11:10:10 AM
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 19, 2013, 10:59:17 AM
Shame his own party doesn't agree.
How's that?
Too much isolationist silliness from the GOP these days.
It's a natural correction after the neocon era (which may actually still be going on). A little isolation wouldn't hurt, but I fully support engaging India in whatever way serves our national interest.
F for Fantastic! Dude won the Nobel Prize. :cheers:
Yeah, I agree that Obama deserves some credit for trying to encircle China with US allies. I think that East Asia has been a success for his administration.
Militarily, he gets an F, as in Failing to disband the Fucking Air Force.
"Russia is Russia" is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard Sheilbh say. I can't remember the last time an American President had such a prolonged period of complete inaction in regard to Russian intransigence. The examples abound, but the most recent was them giving Assad high tech anti-aircraft missile systems. Bush at least made some level of noise about the South Ossetia War, Obama has basically let Russia curb stomp us every time we turn around. I'm amazed that no one on the forums sees that Putin has seen that he has no real hope to rebuild the USSR like it was, but it's obvious he dreams of creating a second "pole" in the current system. It will span through a range of countries ruled by petty autocrats in the Putin mold and will be headed by Russia, its most powerful member.
The idea that Iran is weaker is highly questionable, their economy is worse off due to more effective sanctions but I'd argue we've just confirmed even the worst of our sanctions cannot stop them from doing something we do not want them to do. Also, as long as Russia and to an extent China (whose motives are purely economic vis-a-vis Iran) continue their business in Iran all the sanctions do is actually push Iran closer into the bosom of guys like Putin.
About the only thing I agree with Sheilbh on is Bush also lacked a Latin American policy, but the President is the guy behind the desk. Bush's inaction isn't a reason for Obama to get a pass on his continued inaction.
On the Pacific, I can talk more about it later but suffice to say I think you guys are giving a lot of emphasis to stuff that hasn't materially helped our geopolitical position and minimizing serious losses and erosions in American power (especially in regard to our no longer being viewed as true protectors of Japan and Taiwan.)
And to some degree there is no denying that we're moving back to a multipolar world regardless of anything any American President does. Our place as lone hegemon was basically a historical quirk. But I don't really think a backwards ass "great power" made up of a combination of economically weak autocracies like Russia, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela etc is an inevitability.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 19, 2013, 11:59:31 AM
(especially in regard to our no longer being viewed as true protectors of Japan and Taiwan.)
How so? How have we abrogated or reduced our treaty responsibilities with Japan in any way, or made our arrangement with Taiwan any less ambiguous than we have purposefully kept it of 30 years?
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 19, 2013, 11:59:31 AM
"Russia is Russia" is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard Sheilbh say. I can't remember the last time an American President had such a prolonged period of complete inaction in regard to Russian intransigence. The examples abound, but the most recent was them giving Assad high tech anti-aircraft missile systems. Bush at least made some level of noise about the South Ossetia War, Obama has basically let Russia curb stomp us every time we turn around. I'm amazed that no one on the forums sees that Putin has seen that he has no real hope to rebuild the USSR like it was, but it's obvious he dreams of creating a second "pole" in the current system. It will span through a range of countries ruled by petty autocrats in the Putin mold and will be headed by Russia, its most powerful member.
And how, exactly, do you expect the US to prevent the sale of weaponry to Syria, who's not exactly a fresh customer? They're an historical Soviet/Russian client state, and we are not even militarily engaged in Syria.
And Putin's interests in reestablishing Russia's sphere of influence over the former Soviet republics and Warsaw Pact countries, and hedging against NATO expansionism, isn't some sort of new revelation that's appeared in the Obama Administration.
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 19, 2013, 08:33:44 AM
In Obamacare a more substantial domestic achievement than any President since LBJ.
I'm actually sort of sure the mandate to get health insurance is gonna ruin me. Buy a new car? Why would I want to do that, when I can have garbage medical care I don't need instead? Wanna change my vote to an F.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 19, 2013, 02:44:28 PM
I'm actually sort of sure the mandate to get health insurance is gonna ruin me. Buy a new car? Why would I want to do that, when I can have garbage medical care I don't need instead? Wanna change my vote to an F.
Dude, the fine is like 300 clams.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 19, 2013, 02:47:19 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 19, 2013, 02:44:28 PM
I'm actually sort of sure the mandate to get health insurance is gonna ruin me. Buy a new car? Why would I want to do that, when I can have garbage medical care I don't need instead? Wanna change my vote to an F.
Dude, the fine is like 300 clams.
You don't pay, they'll just take it out of your tax refund.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 19, 2013, 02:47:19 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 19, 2013, 02:44:28 PM
I'm actually sort of sure the mandate to get health insurance is gonna ruin me. Buy a new car? Why would I want to do that, when I can have garbage medical care I don't need instead? Wanna change my vote to an F.
Dude, the fine is like 300 clams.
Well, I hyperbolize. I would like health insurance if affordable (i.e., less than about $1000-2000/yr) and would very much like dental insurance. It's really difficult to figure out what I can get thru my employer, because all their online information is about BCBS in MA. Don't think that applies to me. Need to call them, which is a pain in the ass.
I do wonder how student loan burdens are affecting young people's decision or ability to purchase health insurance. :hmm:
I'm sure Ide will be a good citizen and shoulder the burden by overpaying for his healthcare. The success of Obamacare depends on it.
I'd be really happy to if my obligations to the state weren't already so damned high. I pay like 10% extra "tax" on top of the 15-20% I already pay, and the 10% I loan them interest free.
I'd be lot more loyal to them if they'd do the right thing and trigger a little hyperinflation for me.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 19, 2013, 02:44:28 PM
I'm actually sort of sure the mandate to get health insurance is gonna ruin me. Buy a new car? Why would I want to do that, when I can have garbage medical care I don't need instead? Wanna change my vote to an F.
You realize that you can get insurance for about $100/month, right? Just get a high-deductible plan, if you don't think you need it.
Of course, you'll be charged extra for smoking. :whistle:
Question: how do they know I smoke if I don't tell them?
Quote from: Ideologue on July 19, 2013, 03:02:27 PM
Question: how do they know I smoke if I don't tell them?
They don't. But if you lie, you'll end up having to back-pay the difference.
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2013, 03:03:48 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 19, 2013, 03:02:27 PM
Question: how do they know I smoke if I don't tell them?
They don't. But if you lie, you'll end up having to back-pay the difference.
Which one would think is a pretty shitty disincentive to lie.
Here in NYC area, I hear ads on the car radio where some guy laments that he can't get a job with insurance fraud on his record. :)
Please, Baldrick, you're going to be an MP. I'll just put fraud and sexual deviancy.
Quote from: DGuller on July 19, 2013, 03:14:45 PM
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2013, 03:03:48 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 19, 2013, 03:02:27 PM
Question: how do they know I smoke if I don't tell them?
They don't. But if you lie, you'll end up having to back-pay the difference.
Which one would think is a pretty shitty disincentive to lie.
Here in NYC area, I hear ads on the car radio where some guy laments that he can't get a job with insurance fraud on his record. :)
Like Ide needs anymore excuses why people won't hire him. :rolleyes:
I give Obama a B in foreign policy, a C in domestic.
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2013, 10:32:11 AM
Quote from: Jacob on July 19, 2013, 10:10:49 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 19, 2013, 09:58:59 AM
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2013, 09:12:36 AM
In the end, he held us together during a massive, world-wide recession, he openly supports legal rights for all, and his healthcare reform puts us on the right footing for safe, affordable healthcare for everyone.
Held us together? I'm not sure we were in danger of a civil war...and hard to say that partisan strife is at a low end. So, care to explain? :D
I think she means economically.
:yes:
As I stated earlier in the post, I think his policy did a lot to keep us from tanking along with a number of other countries, which arguably kept the economy stronger across the board than it could have been.
In other words, he didn't pull a Hoover. ;)
Can't take Bernanke's credit. Uncle Ben is gonna go down in history one way or another for sure.
Interesting. 77% of Languish give Obama a passing grade.
You'd never guess that based on some of the comments made against him. :D
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2013, 04:43:46 PM
Interesting. 77% of Languish give Obama a passing grade.
You'd never guess that based on some of the comments made against him. :D
Most of those "some comments" belong to a small but dedicated handful of true believers.
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2013, 04:43:46 PM
Interesting. 77% of Languish give Obama a passing grade.
You'd never guess that based on some of the comments made against him. :D
What kind of comments do you think a C average should generate?
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2013, 04:43:46 PM
Interesting. 77% of Languish give Obama a passing grade.
You'd never guess that based on some of the comments made against him. :D
I was actually surpised about how poorly Obama is doing. After all, over 2/3 of the forum apparently consider him to be mediocre at best.
C+ish, maybe B-
C, but considering both his opponents seemed hellbent on getting Fs, that's not so bad.
F of course.
Whoa, did I change my signature yesterday?
I have no recollection of that.
Too many Miller Lites, perhaps.
That's better now. A Metallica quote from the Reload.
Quote from: Kleves on July 19, 2013, 05:57:09 PM
I was actually surpised about how poorly Obama is doing. After all, over 2/3 of the forum apparently consider him to be mediocre at best.
Just like the retards in class, Congress blows the overall grading curve.
I miss W.
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Seeb, a long time ago you expressed the desire to become smarter. A good way to start would be to ditch your Old Testament tribal thinking about partisan politics.
Obama lies: http://obamalies.net/
List of lies: http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies
Video of Lies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQb8MFUn3QQ
And the bio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yro63c7B7A
Born in Kenya: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3fd2qL0JAI
And the last one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y
Where do you find this shit?
Quote from: merithyn on July 19, 2013, 03:03:48 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 19, 2013, 03:02:27 PM
Question: how do they know I smoke if I don't tell them?
They don't. But if you lie, you'll end up having to back-pay the difference.
I know people that have never been caught smoking by their plan for 20+ years and consistently lied. I have a relative who decided to go into professional music, I think he's like an adjunct professor at some small state college right now. But his gig isn't tenured or even full time, so he has no insurance. He was asking on facebook the other day when he gets his health insurance through Obamacare, I posted with information about how in Virginia he can expect his insurance plan through the exchange is going to be in the $120-200 range. He was shocked, being a lefty type I guess he thought Obamacare = free health insurance. It doesn't, and he will still be out of the expanded Medicaid criteria.
He's basically the classical 20-something kid who isn't making much, but isn't truly poor, and just didn't want to buy health insurance. He thought Obamacare was going to give him health insurance without costing him more than a couple cases of beer a month. I also pointed him to Kaiser's home page. Which by the way, even pre-Obamacare offered a good HMO style plan (not High Deductible) that only would cost a guy like him around $140/mo. So he's always had the option to get healthcare in that range, he just never knew it, and wouldn't have bought it if he had known.
The people I can see the exchanges really helping are definitely not him, but people who are older, have families (family plans on the individual market are of obscene expense), and have pre-existing medical conditions. People who don't meet the expanded Medicaid definitions, are young and healthy, they can already get insurance about as cheap as the exchanges are going to offer it.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 20, 2013, 07:33:03 AM
The people I can see the exchanges really helping are definitely not him, but people who are older, have families (family plans on the individual market are of obscene expense), and have pre-existing medical conditions.
And the under/unemployed, who need the option the most. But it's easy to forget those people.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 20, 2013, 07:56:17 AM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 20, 2013, 07:33:03 AM
The people I can see the exchanges really helping are definitely not him, but people who are older, have families (family plans on the individual market are of obscene expense), and have pre-existing medical conditions.
And the under/unemployed, who need the option the most. But it's easy to forget those people.
McDonalds is always hiring.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 20, 2013, 08:14:48 AM
McDonalds is always hiring.
Not everybody possesses the skills sets to work in such a fun, fast-paced and rewarding environment.
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Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 20, 2013, 07:33:03 AM
The people I can see the exchanges really helping are definitely not him, but people who are older, have families (family plans on the individual market are of obscene expense), and have pre-existing medical conditions.
And the under/unemployed, who need the option the most. But it's easy to forget those people.
COBRA is on its way out, thank fucking god.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 19, 2013, 06:44:44 PM
Quote from: Kleves on July 19, 2013, 05:57:09 PM
I was actually surpised about how poorly Obama is doing. After all, over 2/3 of the forum apparently consider him to be mediocre at best.
Just like the retards in class, Congress blows the overall grading curve.
Or people could just be voting based on their thoughts about Obama's presidency.
Quote from: garbon on July 20, 2013, 11:15:00 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 19, 2013, 06:44:44 PM
Quote from: Kleves on July 19, 2013, 05:57:09 PM
I was actually surpised about how poorly Obama is doing. After all, over 2/3 of the forum apparently consider him to be mediocre at best.
Just like the retards in class, Congress blows the overall grading curve.
Or people could just be voting based on their thoughts about Obama's presidency.
Or not. So there. Nyah.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 20, 2013, 12:04:51 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 20, 2013, 11:15:00 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 19, 2013, 06:44:44 PM
Quote from: Kleves on July 19, 2013, 05:57:09 PM
I was actually surpised about how poorly Obama is doing. After all, over 2/3 of the forum apparently consider him to be mediocre at best.
Just like the retards in class, Congress blows the overall grading curve.
Or people could just be voting based on their thoughts about Obama's presidency.
Or not. So there. Nyah.
Yes but you are a ridiculous person - at least when it comes to topics like this one.
Quote from: garbon on July 20, 2013, 12:09:21 PM
Yes but you are a ridiculous person - at least when it comes to topics like this one.
Meh, I believe I gave him an overall C. If he had a happy Congress, it would be a C+. Completely ridiculous.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 20, 2013, 12:15:09 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 20, 2013, 12:09:21 PM
Yes but you are a ridiculous person - at least when it comes to topics like this one.
Meh, I believe I gave him an overall C. If he had a happy Congress, it would be a C+. Completely ridiculous.
Yeah but the reason for that isn't his lackluster performance but you be annoyed that he didn't mount the heads of prominent Republicans/bankers (holy redundancy but for effect) on pikes.
Quote from: garbon on July 20, 2013, 12:17:03 PM
Yeah but the reason for that isn't his lackluster performance but you be annoyed that he didn't mount the heads of prominent Republicans/bankers (holy redundancy but for effect) on pikes.
Not mounting the heads of prominent Republicans/bankers on pikes is a lackluster performance.
Honestly? A C+, MAAAAAAAYBBBBBEEE a B- if I was feeling really generous while grading. Which I often don't, because fuck freshmen, college is supposed to be hard.
Quote from: Fireblade on July 21, 2013, 12:10:28 AM
Honestly? A C+, MAAAAAAAYBBBBBEEE a B- if I was feeling really generous while grading. Which I often don't, because fuck freshmen, college is supposed to be hard.
He's a sophmore. :huh:
Quote from: garbon on July 21, 2013, 12:11:33 AM
Quote from: Fireblade on July 21, 2013, 12:10:28 AM
Honestly? A C+, MAAAAAAAYBBBBBEEE a B- if I was feeling really generous while grading. Which I often don't, because fuck freshmen, college is supposed to be hard.
He's a sophmore. :huh:
Just do what Seedy does and grade on a curve. It will make you feel better. :P
Quote from: 11B4V on July 21, 2013, 01:40:30 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 21, 2013, 12:11:33 AM
Quote from: Fireblade on July 21, 2013, 12:10:28 AM
Honestly? A C+, MAAAAAAAYBBBBBEEE a B- if I was feeling really generous while grading. Which I often don't, because fuck freshmen, college is supposed to be hard.
He's a sophmore. :huh:
Just do what Seedy does and grade on a curve. It will make you feel better. :P
:huh:
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2013, 08:09:13 AM
A for the bombing brown people class
C for everything else.
Now
F.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 06, 2013, 05:23:12 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2013, 08:09:13 AM
A for the bombing brown people class
C for everything else.
Now F.
I'm sorry, but the deadline for changing grades has passed.
Quote from: Scipio on September 06, 2013, 05:32:23 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 06, 2013, 05:23:12 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2013, 08:09:13 AM
A for the bombing brown people class
C for everything else.
Now F.
I'm sorry, but the deadline for changing grades has passed.
I just logged into ANGEL and did it.
B for aims (lost a bit with prism and failing with Syria), C for results.