2016 elections - because it's never too early

[DGuller]

Thing is, if Trump isn't running on policy, what's the draw?

His winning personality?
His impressive experience in government?
His deep understanding of foreign affairs and security?
His sterling track record of avoiding debt default?

You could literally pull someone randomly off the street and have better presidential material.

Huh - maybe that is the draw.

He's different, that's his draw.  Of course, reasonable people  understand that merely being different is most like a bad thing, when the job requires someone to be a couple of sigmas away from the average, but how many people think such things through?

[DGuller]

I'd very surprised if she named Warren.  It would not be in character for her and it would reduce Warren's value to the campaign.

More likely it will be Kaine or Castro.

I know we are repairing relations but Castro is almost as radical as Sanders and he's even older.  I don't think he'd make a good choice.

[11B4V]

Reports: Donald Trump stiffs contractors

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/politics/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-reports/index.html

[Razgovory]

At least Dima laughs at my jokes.

[Razgovory]

So, apparently Trump has scored the highest number of primary votes in the US history. The last record belonged to Dubya, with 10.8 million - Trump has now got 13.2 million.

So apparently Marty posts incorrect information.  Obama had 17 million primary voters in 2008.  Hillary Clinton as well.  This year she only got about 16 million.  Trump scored the highest number of GOP primary votes.

[CountDeMoney]

At least Dima laughs at my jokes.

I liked your joke, but I have to hold back my approval, lest you become pleased with yourself and lose your competitive edge.

[LaCroix]

Eh, reading a Hitler biography right now.  Things that that struck me, Hitler really didn't have program, just a few talking points he ram home.  In '32 even antisemitism was on the back burner.  Specifics were worked out by locals leaders to fit local conditions.  Hitler's message was pretty much "the establishment has failed you, they only serve special interests.  I can represent all Germans so elect me, I'm a genius".

I remember reading in a college course on nazis that the anti-semitism, while always a part of nazism, really started up after people got bored with the incessant general nazi propaganda sometime in the early 30s. seems anti-semitism fired people back up

[Valmy]

I don't know. Hitler ranted plenty about wanting to use poison gas on the Jews in Mein Kampf and that was written in the early 20s. I am not sure how much more you can ramp it up from there.

[LaCroix]

I don't know. Hitler ranted plenty about wanting to use poison gas on the Jews in Mein Kampf and that was written in the early 20s. I am not sure how much more you can ramp it up from there.

yup, hence "while always part of nazism." ramp up = propaganda focused on it more and more

[Valmy]

I don't know. Hitler ranted plenty about wanting to use poison gas on the Jews in Mein Kampf and that was written in the early 20s. I am not sure how much more you can ramp it up from there.

yup, hence "while always part of nazism." ramp up = propaganda focused on it more and more

When was this exactly and what was the proof it worked? The only time the Nazis ever went down in its electoral performances (and even then they pulverized 2nd place) and that was right before Hitler was made Chancellor. After that the elections were a tad suspect.

[Razgovory]

I don't know. Hitler ranted plenty about wanting to use poison gas on the Jews in Mein Kampf and that was written in the early 20s. I am not sure how much more you can ramp it up from there.

Hitler mentions that if they had killed 20,000 Jews with poison gas the war would have been won.  By 1925 nobody cared about Hitler or the Nazis, things were getting better.  After Hitler got out of jail, he and his cronies united the far right and Volkisch movements in Germany into the Nazi party (small though it might be), the ideology shifted to simply "Hitler is the idea that will save Germany".  Hitler became the ideology, actual ideas were flexible. When the Great Depression hit the Nazi party was small, but tightly knit collection of agitators devoted to simply putting Hitler in charge.  This ideological flexibility allowed them to appeal to all regions and and all classes in Germany.  Nazism wasn't built on a "Big Lie", it was built on denouncing everyone else and saying nothing very loudly.  The problem was that since local leaders could say pretty much anything there was disagreements with subordinates when their ideas conflicted with Hitler's.  This was straiten out in 34 when Hitler simply killed inconvenient people in the party.

This sort of flexibility was carried over into government which is why the government was such a mess with different bureaus working at cross purposes.  Kershaw also believes that this is how the Holocaust started, not from above but from mid level officials given wide authority to carry out vague orders.

[Capetan Mihali]

It really boiled down to the Führerprinzip.  The leader was the law/policy and the law/policy was the leader.

[jimmy olsen]

The statistics show that presidents have made good faith efforts to keep most of their campaign promises. 

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trust-us-politicians-keep-most-of-their-promises/

[derspiess]

Eh, reading a Hitler biography right now.  Things that that struck me, Hitler really didn't have program, just a few talking points he ram home.  In '32 even antisemitism was on the back burner.  Specifics were worked out by locals leaders to fit local conditions.  Hitler's message was pretty much "the establishment has failed you, they only serve special interests.  I can represent all Germans so elect me, I'm a genius".

Did he say anything about Hillary's private email server?

[Admiral Yi]

It really boiled down to the Führerprinzip.  The leader was the law/policy and the law/policy was the leader.

What really boiled down to Fuhrerprinzip?