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2016 elections - because it's never too early

Started by merithyn, May 09, 2013, 07:37:45 AM

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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Valmy on October 20, 2015, 10:25:25 AM
Yes. The country is headed to destruction, or has already been destroyed, and we must resort of radical change to save it seems to be a point of faith for so many people. I just find it baffling. Where is this social, economic, and political collapse they are all talking about? Everything seems pretty damn good here. If it happens it seems likely it will be because it was all manufactured by these same crazies.

David Brooks tries to answer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/20/opinion/enter-the-age-of-the-outsiders.html?_r=0
QuoteEnter the Age of the Outsiders

OCT. 20, 2015

As every schoolchild knows, the gravitational pull of the sun helps hold the planets in their orbits. Gravity from the center lends coherence to the whole solar system.

I mention this because that's how our political and social systems used to work, but no longer do. In each sphere of life there used to be a few big suns radiating conviction and meaning. The other bodies in orbit were defined by their resistance or attraction to that pull.

But now many of the big suns in our world today lack conviction, while the distant factions at the margins of society are full of passionate intensity. Now the gravitational pull is coming from the edges, in sphere after sphere. Each central establishment, weakened by its own hollowness of meaning, is being ripped apart by the gravitational pull from the fringes.

The same phenomenon can be seen in many areas, but it's easiest to illustrate in the sphere of politics, both global and domestic.

In the 1990s, the central political institutions radiated confidence, derived from an assumed vision of the post-Cold War world. History would be a slow march toward democratic capitalism.
Nations would be bound in peaceful associations like the European Union. The United States would oversee a basic international order.

This vision was materialistic and individualistic. Nations should pursue economic growth and a decent distribution of wealth. If you give individuals access to education and opportunity, they will pursue affluence and personal happiness. They will grow more temperate and "reasonable."

Since 2000, this vision of the post-Cold War world has received blow after blow. Some of these blows were self-inflicted. Democracy, especially in the United States, has grown dysfunctional. Mass stupidity and greed led to a financial collapse and deprived capitalism of its moral swagger.

But the deeper problem was spiritual. Many people around the world rejected democratic capitalism's vision of a secular life built around materialism and individual happiness. They sought more intense forms of meaning. Some of them sought meaning in the fanaticisms of sect, tribe, nation, or some stronger and more brutal ideology. In case after case, "reasonableness" has been trampled by behavior and creed that is stronger, darker and less temperate.

A group of well-educated men blew up the World Trade Center. Fanatics flock to the Middle East to behead strangers and apostates. China's growing affluence hasn't led to sweetening, but in many areas to nationalistic belligerence. Iran is still committed to its radical eschatology. Russia is led by a cold-eyed thug with a semi-theological vision of his nation's destiny. He seeks every chance to undermine the world order.

The establishments of the West have not responded to these challenges by doubling down on their vision, by countering fanaticism with gusto. On the contrary, they've lost faith in their own capacities of understanding and action. Sensing a loss of confidence in the center, strong-willed people on the edges step forward to take control.


This happens in loud ways in the domestic sphere. The uncertain Republican establishment cannot govern its own marginal members, while those on the edge burn with conviction. Jeb Bush looks wan but Donald Trump radiates confidence.

The Democratic establishment no longer determines party positions; it is pulled along by formerly marginal players like Bernie Sanders.

But the big loss of central confidence is in global governance. The United States is no longer willing to occupy the commanding heights and oversee global order. In region after region, those who are weak in strength but strong in conviction are able to have their way. Vladimir Putin in Crimea, Ukraine and the Middle East. Bashar al-Assad crosses red lines in Syria. The Islamic State spreads in Syria and Iraq. Iranian proxy armies roam the region.

Republicans blame Obama for hesitant and halting policies, but it's not clear the foreign policy and defense apparatus believes anymore in its own abilities to establish order, or that the American public has any confidence in U.S. effectiveness as a global actor.


Where is this all heading? Maybe those on the fringes of politics really will take over. Say hello to President Ted Cruz. Writing in The American Interest, Joshua Mitchell of Georgetown argues that we are heading toward an "Age of Exhaustion." Losing confidence in the post-Cold War vision, people will be content to play with their private gadgets and will lose interest in greater striving.

I only have space to add here that the primary problem is mental and spiritual. Some leader has to be able to digest the lessons of the last 15 years and offer a revised charismatic and persuasive sense of America's historic mission. This mission, both nationalist and universal, would be less individualistic than the gospel of the 1990s, and more realistic about depravity and the way barbarism can spread. It would offer a goal more profound than material comfort.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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jimmy olsen

ABC/Wash Post   10/15 - 10/18   

Trump 32     :yuk:
Carson 22      :wacko:
Rubio 10   
Bush 7
Cruz    6
Fiorina 5
Huckabee   3   
Christie 3   
Paul 2
Kaisch 2
Graham 1
Pataki 1
Santorum   0   
Jindal 0
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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1 Karma Chameleon point

lustindarkness

You guys are failing to provide the breaking news I expect from languish. :(
Grand Duke of Lurkdom

Barrister

Quote from: lustindarkness on October 21, 2015, 11:27:09 AM
You guys are failing to provide the breaking news I expect from languish. :(

Justin Trudeau won the Canadian election, and the Royals are up 3-1 against the Blue Jays. :contract:
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lustindarkness

Quote from: Barrister on October 21, 2015, 11:28:04 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 21, 2015, 11:27:09 AM
You guys are failing to provide the breaking news I expect from languish. :(

Justin Trudeau won the Canadian election, and the Royals are up 3-1 against the Blue Jays. :contract:

Oh? Canada had an election?
Grand Duke of Lurkdom

Valmy

In fact here is Trudeau's impression of the Conservatives in the last election:



Though to be fair they probably were going to be swept out in the natural ebb and flow of electoral fate anyway.
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garbon

Quote from: lustindarkness on October 21, 2015, 11:27:09 AM
You guys are failing to provide the breaking news I expect from languish. :(

Is news about Biden really that interesting?
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Barrister

Quote from: lustindarkness on October 21, 2015, 11:28:53 AM
Quote from: Barrister on October 21, 2015, 11:28:04 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 21, 2015, 11:27:09 AM
You guys are failing to provide the breaking news I expect from languish. :(

Justin Trudeau won the Canadian election, and the Royals are up 3-1 against the Blue Jays. :contract:

Oh? Canada had an election?

You heard it here first.
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Eddie Teach

I guess if Biden and Webb are out, then CNN has two spare podiums.
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lustindarkness

Quote from: garbon on October 21, 2015, 11:38:48 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 21, 2015, 11:27:09 AM
You guys are failing to provide the breaking news I expect from languish. :(

Is news about Biden really that interesting?

Is any political news really that interesting?
Grand Duke of Lurkdom

Jacob

Quote from: garbon on October 21, 2015, 11:38:48 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 21, 2015, 11:27:09 AM
You guys are failing to provide the breaking news I expect from languish. :(

Is news about Biden really that interesting?

Hey garbon, are you a Hillaryite in 2016?

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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

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Jaron

Where's that one dude who used to call her Shrillery? I can't remember his name...it started with an S and I think he was a probation officer.
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Eddie Teach

To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Jaron

Winner of THE grumbler point.