2016 elections - because it's never too early

[DGuller]

The first debate will be in a couple of weeks.  No matter what happens, the damage has already been done.

[Razgovory]

Damn that's early.

[Valmy]

They were the same dogs.

The Blue Dogs are not a 'were' yet. Barely. The home for sane Democrats seems to be the New Dem Coalition these days.

[lustindarkness]

One thing I do like about Trump is he is not a politician, and he will say whatever stupid shit he thinks/believes. That is refreshing, a candidate we actually know what his stance is instead of the ones that just say what we want to hear.

[Valmy]

One thing I do like about Trump is he is not a politician, and he will say whatever stupid shit he thinks/believes. That is refreshing, a candidate we actually know what his stance is instead of the ones that just say what we want to hear.

Do we really know what his stances are beyond whatever weird stuff he likes to bellow? Ross Perot was that guy, he had crazy shit to say but he also had serious policy stance positions.

[Razgovory]

They were the same dogs.

The Blue Dogs are not a 'were' yet. Barely. The home for sane Democrats seems to be the New Dem Coalition these days.

These "sane" democrats are still the conservative wing.  Filibustering anti-lynching laws, opposing civil rights, etc.  Same guys, different era.

[Valmy]

They were the same dogs.

The Blue Dogs are not a 'were' yet. Barely. The home for sane Democrats seems to be the New Dem Coalition these days.

These "sane" democrats are still the conservative wing.  Filibustering anti-lynching laws, opposing civil rights, etc.  Same guys, different era.

Even worse, they are not entirely hostile to a balanced budget. Basically Hitler. But that is ok, Obama is Hitler as well. It is hard to find American Politicians who are not Hitler.

[Razgovory]

One thing I do like about Trump is he is not a politician, and he will say whatever stupid shit he thinks/believes. That is refreshing, a candidate we actually know what his stance is instead of the ones that just say what we want to hear.

Do we really know what his stances are beyond whatever weird stuff he likes to bellow? Ross Perot was that guy, he had crazy shit to say but he also had serious policy stance positions.

No he didn't.  People like being told shocking nonsense.  Some people think that is telling truth to power.  You want a politician who says thing that people don't want to hear, look at Walter Mondale.  Nobody wants to here that the US has limits or needs to needs to raise taxes.  They want to hear it's morning in America.  They want to hear that the Mexicans are rapist wetbacks. They want to here that if there are bad things, it's someone else's fault.  For the cynic who fallen into the trap of believing that every one is crooked is a some sort of worldly wisdom, a third party candidate is quite attractive.  Ross Perot was a racist populist who thought the CIA was trying to disrupt his daughter's wedding.  I see nothing attractive about him.

[Razgovory]

Even worse, they are not entirely hostile to a balanced budget. Basically Hitler. But that is ok, Obama is Hitler as well. It is hard to find American Politicians who are not Hitler.

They weren't actually for it either.  Trying to balance a budget in an economic crisis is idiotic.  Fortunately we didn't try to become Greece in 2009.

[Valmy]

Even worse, they are not entirely hostile to a balanced budget. Basically Hitler. But that is ok, Obama is Hitler as well. It is hard to find American Politicians who are not Hitler.

They weren't actually for it either.  Trying to balance a budget in an economic crisis is idiotic.  Fortunately we didn't try to become Greece in 2009.

See? Evil. They would have made us Greece.

[Valmy]

No he didn't.  People like being told shocking nonsense.  Some people think that is telling truth to power.  You want a politician who says thing that people don't want to hear, look at Walter Mondale.  Nobody wants to here that the US has limits or needs to needs to raise taxes.  They want to hear it's morning in America.  They want to hear that the Mexicans are rapist wetbacks. They want to here that if there are bad things, it's someone else's fault.  For the cynic who fallen into the trap of believing that every one is crooked is a some sort of worldly wisdom, a third party candidate is quite attractive.  Ross Perot was a racist populist who thought the CIA was trying to disrupt his daughter's wedding.  I see nothing attractive about him.

It seems calling him more substantial than Donald Trump was too outrageous of a statement for Raz.

[Razgovory]

Even worse, they are not entirely hostile to a balanced budget. Basically Hitler. But that is ok, Obama is Hitler as well. It is hard to find American Politicians who are not Hitler.

They weren't actually for it either.  Trying to balance a budget in an economic crisis is idiotic.  Fortunately we didn't try to become Greece in 2009.

See? Evil. They would have made us Greece.

Worse, populist.  That most despised group on Languish.  It is a bit amusing so many here have a fond memory for the Strom Thurmond wing of the Democratic party.  If they were interested in balancing the budget where were they in 2001?  That was the time to do so.

[Razgovory]

No he didn't.  People like being told shocking nonsense.  Some people think that is telling truth to power.  You want a politician who says thing that people don't want to hear, look at Walter Mondale.  Nobody wants to here that the US has limits or needs to needs to raise taxes.  They want to hear it's morning in America.  They want to hear that the Mexicans are rapist wetbacks. They want to here that if there are bad things, it's someone else's fault.  For the cynic who fallen into the trap of believing that every one is crooked is a some sort of worldly wisdom, a third party candidate is quite attractive.  Ross Perot was a racist populist who thought the CIA was trying to disrupt his daughter's wedding.  I see nothing attractive about him.

It seems calling him more substantial than Donald Trump was too outrageous of a statement for Raz.

Saying that Ross Perot had "serious policy stance positions" is an outrageous position.

[Valmy]

Worse, populist.  That most despised group on Languish.  It is a bit amusing so many here have a fond memory for the Strom Thurmond wing of the Democratic party.  If they were interested in balancing the budget where were they in 2001?  That was the time to do so.

Of course they were In 2001 they were still actually relevant as a block before Obamacare pretty much killed them off. Their conservative constituencies just elected Republican nutcases after that.

By the time I started liking the Blue Dogs Strom Thurmond had been a Republican for over 30 years along with the rest of his kind. I have a hard time thinking it was based on memories of them, when they were still in office but for the other party.

[crazy canuck]

No he didn't.  People like being told shocking nonsense.  Some people think that is telling truth to power.  You want a politician who says thing that people don't want to hear, look at Walter Mondale.  Nobody wants to here that the US has limits or needs to needs to raise taxes.  They want to hear it's morning in America.  They want to hear that the Mexicans are rapist wetbacks. They want to here that if there are bad things, it's someone else's fault.  For the cynic who fallen into the trap of believing that every one is crooked is a some sort of worldly wisdom, a third party candidate is quite attractive.  Ross Perot was a racist populist who thought the CIA was trying to disrupt his daughter's wedding.  I see nothing attractive about him.

It seems calling him more substantial than Donald Trump was too outrageous of a statement for Raz.

Saying that Ross Perot had "serious policy stance positions" is an outrageous position.

I don't remember much about his policies but I do recall he actually had policies.  One policy of his that I do recall his opposition to NAFTA.