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Started by merithyn, May 09, 2013, 07:37:45 AM

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Barrister on September 06, 2016, 12:37:37 PM
What's sad, of course, is that her kind of "pay for play" influence peddling is completely legal. :(

The law does not define morality, of course.

Tell us, oh paladin of politics, who exactly had to "pay" to "play"?

Jacob

Quote from: Barrister on September 06, 2016, 11:58:06 AM
WTF, First Berkut, now you?

Since when does being highly, highly critical of Hillary Clinton mean that you're a "Branch Trumpidian"?

My motto on this election has been, and continues to be:



Yup, when you keep spreading the most tenuous anti-Clinton propaganda following up with "but I still want you to vote for her, even though she's just horrible" then you are functionally a Trump supporter, albeit a disingenuous one.

Jacob

Quote from: Barrister on September 06, 2016, 12:34:10 PMShe has a long way to go before beating the greatest crook in modern political history.

:rolleyes:

Barrister

Quote from: Jacob on September 06, 2016, 12:47:44 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 06, 2016, 11:58:06 AM
WTF, First Berkut, now you?

Since when does being highly, highly critical of Hillary Clinton mean that you're a "Branch Trumpidian"?

My motto on this election has been, and continues to be:



Yup, when you keep spreading the most tenuous anti-Clinton propaganda following up with "but I still want you to vote for her, even though she's just horrible" then you are functionally a Trump supporter, albeit a disingenuous one.

Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

Razgovory

Quote from: Barrister on September 06, 2016, 12:37:37 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 06, 2016, 12:13:17 PM
I'm still waiting for an actual crime she has committed.  Presumably if the FBI realized it's documents on a Monday rather than a Friday there would be enough to charge her.

What's sad, of course, is that her kind of "pay for play" influence peddling is completely legal. :(

The law does not define morality, of course.

Somehow, I get the impression that her morale failing has nothing to do with "pay for play" but rather that she's a left of center politician.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 06, 2016, 12:46:59 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 06, 2016, 12:37:37 PM
What's sad, of course, is that her kind of "pay for play" influence peddling is completely legal. :(

The law does not define morality, of course.

Tell us, oh paladin of politics, who exactly had to "pay" to "play"?

Norway.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Jacob

Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 06, 2016, 12:43:23 PMThis is actually the most practical reason.  Let's not forget:  it's the end of the federal fiscal year.  Not only do extra budgetary pressures and task orders like special investigations need to be wrapped up, people gotta burn up what "use it or lose it" vacation time they still have by October 1.  We're out of money and out of the office.

There's no conspiracy here except for those who want one.

If there's any conspiracy it goes the other way - Comey's statements were an unprofessional partisan hatchet job against Clinton. I guess it's fine for him to engage in unethical behaviour since the GOP political machine will reward him with lucrative pundit/ consulting jobs once he's done, though.


CountDeMoney

Quote from: Barrister on September 06, 2016, 12:45:05 PM
That's nonsense Seedy.

Look our fiscal year end drives a hell of a lot around here - but it doesn't drive when we close files.

As you so often insist on doing, you insist on erroneously applying your alien and foreign customs to our own.
You better believe the FBI is all about budget.

In any case, stop being a blindingly naïve righteous bumpkin.  You're worse than an undergrad coed. I expect to see you in amateur porn soon.

garbon

"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Jacob on September 06, 2016, 12:51:38 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 06, 2016, 12:43:23 PMThis is actually the most practical reason.  Let's not forget:  it's the end of the federal fiscal year.  Not only do extra budgetary pressures and task orders like special investigations need to be wrapped up, people gotta burn up what "use it or lose it" vacation time they still have by October 1.  We're out of money and out of the office.

There's no conspiracy here except for those who want one.

If there's any conspiracy it goes the other way - Comey's statements were an unprofessional partisan hatchet job against Clinton. I guess it's fine for him to engage in unethical behaviour since the GOP political machine will reward him with lucrative pundit/ consulting jobs once he's done, though.

People do tend to forget that he was Ken Starr's #2 man all those years of special prosecution, don't they?  Funny how that is.

Barrister

Quote from: Jacob on September 06, 2016, 12:48:55 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 06, 2016, 12:34:10 PMShe has a long way to go before beating the greatest crook in modern political history.

:rolleyes:

While yes, once you start moving beyond the US you probably have to go to figures like Berlusconi or Gerhardt Schroder well before you get to Chretien and they're admittedly much bigger crooks.  (assuming you keep it to western democracies, because otherwise things get crazy).

But Chretien was still a master crook.
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

Razgovory

Quote from: Barrister on September 06, 2016, 01:04:04 PM
Quote from: Jacob on September 06, 2016, 12:48:55 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 06, 2016, 12:34:10 PMShe has a long way to go before beating the greatest crook in modern political history.

:rolleyes:

While yes, once you start moving beyond the US you probably have to go to figures like Berlusconi or Gerhardt Schroder well before you get to Chretien and they're admittedly much bigger crooks.  (assuming you keep it to western democracies, because otherwise things get crazy).

But Chretien was still a master crook.

What crimes did he commit?  When was he charged and convicted.  What was his sentence?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Barrister

Quote from: Razgovory on September 06, 2016, 01:08:17 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 06, 2016, 01:04:04 PM
Quote from: Jacob on September 06, 2016, 12:48:55 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 06, 2016, 12:34:10 PMShe has a long way to go before beating the greatest crook in modern political history.

:rolleyes:

While yes, once you start moving beyond the US you probably have to go to figures like Berlusconi or Gerhardt Schroder well before you get to Chretien and they're admittedly much bigger crooks.  (assuming you keep it to western democracies, because otherwise things get crazy).

But Chretien was still a master crook.

What crimes did he commit?  When was he charged and convicted.  What was his sentence?

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/background/groupaction/

Will be a start to your fall reading list.  And yes, just for you, there were criminal convictions for fraud (but of course not against JC - thats what fall guys are for).
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Razgovory on September 06, 2016, 12:51:17 PM
Norway.

Considering how we already possess diplomatic relations--including, among other things, a mutual defense pact--how exactly did Norway have to "pay to play" with the State Department to deal with the US?