Chechnya Is Not Czech Republic, Twitter Reminds Itself (TWEETS)

Started by Martinus, April 20, 2013, 07:49:04 AM

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CountDeMoney

#106
April 21, 2013, 08:58:10 PM
Yeah, Raz.  You're obviously overly irritated today for some reason, more so than usual. 
Nobody's going to come out and play with you when you're like this.

garbon

#107
April 21, 2013, 09:00:51 PM
That said, Yi is pretty wrong-headed on this even if Raz is going about it wrong.
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11B4V

#108
April 21, 2013, 09:02:57 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 21, 2013, 08:58:10 PM
Yeah, Raz.  You're obviously overly irritated today for some reason, more so than usual. 
Nobody's going to come out and play with you when you're like this.

Raz is having an "episode".  :lol:
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derspiess

#109
April 21, 2013, 09:03:20 PM
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

derspiess

#110
April 21, 2013, 09:09:36 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 21, 2013, 09:00:51 PM
That said, Yi is pretty wrong-headed on this even if Raz is going about it wrong.

No, the Chinaman is dead on.  A sane immigration/Visa policy would give extra scrutiny to people from Muslim countries/regions.  It's not as if we have some overriding need to let them in.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Eddie Teach

#111
April 21, 2013, 09:25:27 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 21, 2013, 09:09:36 PM
It's not as if we have some overriding need to let them in.

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CountDeMoney

#112
April 21, 2013, 09:26:24 PM
More gas stations.  Cal's hungry.

Razgovory

#113
April 21, 2013, 10:28:10 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 21, 2013, 09:00:51 PM
That said, Yi is pretty wrong-headed on this even if Raz is going about it wrong.

What is the proper way?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Martinus

#114
April 22, 2013, 06:36:45 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 21, 2013, 04:48:06 PM
But I'm still going to worry if all 100 of them put on backpacks and head to a crowded public space, in a way that I won't worry about 100 Norwegian backpackers.

Then you would have missed this guy:

Martinus

#115
April 22, 2013, 06:47:23 AM Last Edit: April 22, 2013, 06:54:39 AM by Martinus
Quote from: derspiess on April 21, 2013, 09:09:36 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 21, 2013, 09:00:51 PM
That said, Yi is pretty wrong-headed on this even if Raz is going about it wrong.

No, the Chinaman is dead on.  A sane immigration/Visa policy would give extra scrutiny to people from Muslim countries/regions.  It's not as if we have some overriding need to let them in.

Only it's not true.

And I am not arguing that it would be politically incorrect or morally wrong - but that it would be simply erroneous from a statistical point of view, and it shows an immense selection bias fallacy.

Over the last 13 years or so (generously extended to include 911), about 5,000 people died in the West in what can be seen as Muslim terrorism. During that time nearly 1,000,000 were killed in the US alone in gun related violence (including several dozens of mass shootings) and one Norwegian alone (using Breivik here, since Yi specifically used Norwegians as an example of a "safe" ethnicity) singlehandedly murdered in Norway more people than any lone Muslim terrorist in the West (I will remind you here Yi is advocating racial profiling based on 2 people dying - the Norwegian killed over 80 people).

And furthermore, if you compare the number of Muslim people involved in terrorist attacks on the US soil with a number of Muslims living in the US, the number will be between one in a hundred thousand and one in a million - so this is clearly not a risk serious enough to inform governmental policy.

So yes, it is extremely boneheaded and is an example of statistics being used to justify bigotry.

Eddie Teach

#116
April 22, 2013, 07:26:59 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 22, 2013, 06:47:23 AM
Over the last 13 years or so (generously extended to include 911), about 5,000 people died in the West in what can be seen as Muslim terrorism. During that time nearly 1,000,000 were killed in the US alone in gun related violence

Link plz.
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Martinus

#117
April 22, 2013, 08:28:49 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 22, 2013, 07:26:59 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 22, 2013, 06:47:23 AM
Over the last 13 years or so (generously extended to include 911), about 5,000 people died in the West in what can be seen as Muslim terrorism. During that time nearly 1,000,000 were killed in the US alone in gun related violence

Link plz.

www.google.com

Razgovory

#118
April 22, 2013, 08:41:43 AM
Uh, Mart you said that a million Americans have died of gun related violence in the last 13 years.  That's a pretty extreme claim.  You are going to need a killer source for that one.  That's like 20 times as many Americans that died in the Vietnam war.  Are you seriously going with that or did you forget how many zeros are in a million?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Martinus

#119
April 22, 2013, 08:44:55 AM
Sorry, it's since 1980s. I misquoted the source. So strike that part out but the fact that so few people died to Muslim terrorism still stands. Same with the likelihood of a Muslim being a terrorist.
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