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[sbr]

We should profile car drivers.

[CountDeMoney]

No teenagers, no Asian women, and all drivers over 65 get tested for a provisional license yearly.

[derspiess]

No teenagers, no Asian women, and all drivers over 65 get tested for a provisional license yearly.

I could get on board with some of that.  Driving age should be increased to 18 at least, and I like the idea about testing old people.

[CountDeMoney]

Yeah, teenagers and the elderly, #1 and #2 in fatality demographics.

I mean, I appreciate that you were the Greatest Generation and all, but the fact that you flew a B-17 in 1945 doesn't mean you can drive a Buick now.

[garbon]

Made up sources aside, Marti has a point.  Based on the odds I have witnessed recently, I should be more afraid of an American that could have a gun than a Muslim who might have a pressue cooker.

Both sides have a point.  Being a Muslim is clearly a risk factor for being a terrorist.  However, terror itself is a very tiny risk factor for dying, far too tiny to have our society go down that slippery slope of officially profiling individuals for that reason.  Freedom isn't free, and as the gun debate shows, we're willing to spend thousands of lives per yer on far less fundamental freedoms than not being profiled.

Yes, I have to agree with DGul.

[Admiral Yi]

Made up sources aside, Marti has a point.  Based on the odds I have witnessed recently, I should be more afraid of an American that could have a gun than a Muslim who might have a pressue cooker.

He does have a point, which is only tangentially related to mine.  I'm talking about scrutinizing visa and immigration applications.  Not applicable to American citizens. 

Unless you subscribe to the logic that until Muslim terrorists kill 90,000 people a year we shouldn't worry about it.

[Razgovory]

Made up sources aside, Marti has a point.  Based on the odds I have witnessed recently, I should be more afraid of an American that could have a gun than a Muslim who might have a pressue cooker.

He does have a point, which is only tangentially related to mine.  I'm talking about scrutinizing visa and immigration applications.  Not applicable to American citizens. 

Unless you subscribe to the logic that until Muslim terrorists kill 90,000 people a year we shouldn't worry about it.

Oh.  I thought you were talking about profiling American citizens.  I'm cool with scrutinizing visa and immigration stuff.

[derspiess]

Made up sources aside, Marti has a point.  Based on the odds I have witnessed recently, I should be more afraid of an American that could have a gun than a Muslim who might have a pressue cooker.

He does have a point, which is only tangentially related to mine.  I'm talking about scrutinizing visa and immigration applications.  Not applicable to American citizens. 

Unless you subscribe to the logic that until Muslim terrorists kill 90,000 people a year we shouldn't worry about it.

Oh.  I thought you were talking about profiling American citizens.  I'm cool with scrutinizing visa and immigration stuff.

You missed out on that one minor detail?

[garbon]

I would say that acting on such beliefs is where it gets sketchy.  There is no doubt that profiling is effective in measurable terms, useful liberal lies notwithstanding.  The problem is that the damage done to social fabric by employing profiling is immeasurable but huge, which in the end makes its utility dubious at best.

Btw, I wanted to say that I think this post is pretty spot on.

[Razgovory]

Made up sources aside, Marti has a point.  Based on the odds I have witnessed recently, I should be more afraid of an American that could have a gun than a Muslim who might have a pressue cooker.

He does have a point, which is only tangentially related to mine.  I'm talking about scrutinizing visa and immigration applications.  Not applicable to American citizens. 

Unless you subscribe to the logic that until Muslim terrorists kill 90,000 people a year we shouldn't worry about it.

Oh.  I thought you were talking about profiling American citizens.  I'm cool with scrutinizing visa and immigration stuff.

You missed out on that one minor detail?

Yeah I did derbreitbart.  What of it?  It's not like violating civil rights of minorities is way out there amongst the GOP.  Peter King is calling for increased surveillance of Muslim in this country.

[derspiess]

Yeah I did derbreitbart.  What of it?  It's not like violating civil rights of minorities is way out there amongst the GOP.  Peter King is calling for increased surveillance of Muslim in this country.

Could have saved some squabbling.  You actually agreed with Yi all along yet kept nipping at his heels based upon your own misunderstanding.

And Peter King does not speak for the GOP.  He's kind of out there on his own on most things.

[Razgovory]

Squabbling is the spice of life.  You might want to look a litter closer at the GOP.  Most of them don't like Muslims.

The results are split sharply along partisan lines. Overall, Republican voters hold strongly negative views of Muslims, with 57 percent saying they view them unfavorably and just 26 saying they view them favorably — more than double. The numbers are similar for Arabs, whom Republican respondents view negatively by a slightly smaller margin of 26 percent, 53 to 27 percent. When asked about "Muslim Americans" and "Arab Americans," the numbers improved slightly, with a 12 and 15 percent net unfavorable rating, respectively.

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/23/poll_republicans_really_dislike_muslims/

So, using the "B" word with a Republican hits the mark more often then not.

[derspiess]

Squabbling is the spice of life.  You might want to look a litter closer at the GOP.  Most of them don't like Muslims.

The results are split sharply along partisan lines. Overall, Republican voters hold strongly negative views of Muslims, with 57 percent saying they view them unfavorably and just 26 saying they view them favorably — more than double. The numbers are similar for Arabs, whom Republican respondents view negatively by a slightly smaller margin of 26 percent, 53 to 27 percent. When asked about "Muslim Americans" and "Arab Americans," the numbers improved slightly, with a 12 and 15 percent net unfavorable rating, respectively.

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/23/poll_republicans_really_dislike_muslims/

So, using the "B" word with a Republican hits the mark more often then not.

[Razgovory]

Good that we agree on that.

[derspiess]

Good that we agree on that.

That salon.com is a lousy source?  Sure.