Is a bigoted dystopia really feasible anymore?

[Ed Anger]

Uhm... Still worth it.  Plus he'll entertain me with stories about the time he met the king of Siam.

Only reason you was called porkchop was that it fit the oven theme.

[Ideologue]

I guess a bigoted dystopia need not be totalitarian, but if I felt like it I could make a colorable (lol) argument that any bigoted dystopia is going to have at least a bit of a totalitarian cast to it.

Canada and America interned an entire racial group not 70 years ago.

Not to mention blacks were in a pretty bad situation for most of US history, but nobody calls 1850's America "Totalitarian".

Quentin Tarantino probably did.

[HVC]

Uhm... Still worth it.  Plus he'll entertain me with stories about the time he met the king of Siam.

Only reason you was called porkchop was that it fit the oven theme.

I'll still take it

[Ed Anger]

 

[grumbler]

I think we are being recklessly blind if we dont recognize that intolerance continues to exist in all Western democracies and if we kid ourselves into thinking that the sins of the past could never be repeated again.

I agree also, but unlike grumbler, I don't think it's trite

If that's not trite to you, then I am shocked.  Were you actually recklessly blind before he posted?

[CountDeMoney]

I would look good in a black uniform.

it'd go well with the chrome on your walker

Lulz, cripple slam.

[HVC]

much like money and women in real life, on languish I'll take what I can get

[Razgovory]

I guess a bigoted dystopia need not be totalitarian, but if I felt like it I could make a colorable (lol) argument that any bigoted dystopia is going to have at least a bit of a totalitarian cast to it.

Canada and America interned an entire racial group not 70 years ago.

Not to mention blacks were in a pretty bad situation for most of US history, but nobody calls 1850's America "Totalitarian".

Quentin Tarantino probably did.

He's a lot older then I thought.  Tyranny need not come from a all powerful central government.  It can come from smaller local governments, or no governments at all.  It can come from private individuals with littler or no state mandate.

[grumbler]

Part of the problem, Ide, is not that those involved in the elements of the Holocaust could not grasp the moral wrongness of the acts, but rather the group morality and belonging became more important than the actions.  It was not that an internal morality was broken or that cowardice made the right course of action unpalatable, but more that the socialization of humans gives multiple levels or types of morality - and the weighing of actions within such a balance does not always come out clean and neat.

People have done things they know is wrong when the group says they are all right (at least given the circumstances) for as long as there have been people.  Often it is the action of people outside of this communal group that are able to record, stop, or attempt to alter the actions.  Inside the group the community can and does overwhelm.

I have to say that the present economic problems, while the greatest in 80 years, are not the type of thing to lead to such behavior.  Had the mechanisms to restart internal credit, etc not been in place and 2008/9 had seen a total credit and financial meltdown, then such a scenario would have been possible.  It takes time to enculturate, it takes time to exchange or add to their mores and possible actions.  The devil is in the increments, not the sudden takeover.

I think you grossly underestimate the power of communications in the modern age.  The communities you argue for aren't really primary any more in the West.  Communities are as digital as they are physical in today's Western world.  The power of people "outside of this communal group" aren't really outside it any more, at least in the West.

I suppose there could be some series of events that topples Western technology and ushers in a new Dark Age, but I can't think of any that are not wildly improbable.

[grumbler]

Canada and America interned an entire racial group not 70 years ago.

Did Canada do that?  The US didn't. 

[grumbler]

I guess a bigoted dystopia need not be totalitarian, but if I felt like it I could make a colorable (lol) argument that any bigoted dystopia is going to have at least a bit of a totalitarian cast to it.

Oh, I think it would have to have more than a tinge of totalitarianism to it.  Otherwise, information technology is going to blow apart the myths that bigoted dystopias require to have legitimacy.

[HVC]

Canada and America interned an entire racial group not 70 years ago.

Did Canada do that?  The US didn't. 

fine, america interned like 100,000 people of a racial group.

[grumbler]

Canada and America interned an entire racial group not 70 years ago.

Did Canada do that?  The US didn't. 

fine, america interned like 100,000 people of a racial group. Happy Little Boat?

Okay.  So long as we use actual facts and not made-up "facts" in our discussions.  At least you 'fessed up immediately.  That was the honorable thing to do, and I commend you for it.

[HVC]

Canada and America interned an entire racial group not 70 years ago.

Did Canada do that?  The US didn't. 

fine, america interned like 100,000 people of a racial group.

Okay.  So long as we use actual facts and not made-up "facts" in our discussions.  At least you 'fessed up immediately.  That was the honorable thing to do, and I commend you for it.

The intent of that post was clear, but i apologize for the personal attack, it was uncalled for and i'll remove it.

[Ed Anger]

Double down on the name calling eggplant.