First time offender sold pain killers to friend, faces 25 years in jail

[Eddie Teach]

First of all, I highly doubt it's common knowledge that you can serve a minimum of 25 years for selling some pills to a friend.  Secondly, the lack of outrage over something that is so clearly a disproportionate punishment is very chilling.  It's like you people lack conscience or something. 

Can't be bothered to feel outraged about half a million dead babies a year, why should this be different?

[derspiess]

First of all, I highly doubt it's common knowledge that you can serve a minimum of 25 years for selling some pills to a friend.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, then.  And wtf difference does it make if it's a 'friend'.  Ten bucks says he made a profit off the sales.

Secondly, the lack of outrage over something that is so clearly a disproportionate punishment is very chilling.  It's like you people lack conscience or something. 

I do think that is severe.  I'm just not as emotional as you

[Martinus]

Lacking a conscience is considered a sign of strength among certain tribes.

Yeah, especially the tribe of stupid internet faggots.

[crazy canuck]

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, then.  And wtf difference does it make if it's a 'friend'.  Ten bucks says he made a profit off the sales.

Wow, the law, no matter how unjust, is always justified.  Got it.

[derspiess]

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, then.  And wtf difference does it make if it's a 'friend'.  Ten bucks says he made a profit off the sales.

Wow, the law, no matter how unjust, is always justified.  Got it.

I did say the penalty was severe, didn't I?  There's no pleasing you types.

[DGuller]

What cases like that highlight is that America hasn't been enlightened yet when it comes to judicial system.  Once people go to prison, they're considered subhuman, and the costs incurred by them don't count. 

As is usually the case with all big issues, I'm sure race plays a factor here.  Reigning in the prison-industrial complex is going to disproportionally benefit convicted black people, since they're the ones getting nailed the hardest, and I'm sure there are quite a few people who are happy to keep them locked away, and not really think about the sausage making that gets and keeps them there.

[Admiral Yi]

I would like to disassociate myself from DGuller in this thread please. 

[crazy canuck]

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, then.  And wtf difference does it make if it's a 'friend'.  Ten bucks says he made a profit off the sales.

Wow, the law, no matter how unjust, is always justified.  Got it.

I did say the penalty was severe, didn't I?  There's no pleasing you types.

Yeah, and then you went on to comment on how he got what he deserved.  See a problem there?

[derspiess]

Yeah, and then you went on to comment on how he got what he deserved.  See a problem there?

Yeah, I guess I do see a problem there, Bub.  'Cuz I never said that

[crazy canuck]

Yeah, and then you went on to comment on how he got what he deserved.  See a problem there?

Yeah, I guess I do see a problem there, Bub.  'Cuz I never said that

Ok, explain to me what you meant when you said

"It's pretty severe, but shame on him for letting his guard down."

[crazy canuck]

What cases like that highlight is that America hasn't been enlightened yet when it comes to judicial system.  Once people go to prison, they're considered subhuman, and the costs incurred by them don't count. 

As is usually the case with all big issues, I'm sure race plays a factor here.  Reigning in the prison-industrial complex is going to disproportionally benefit convicted black people, since they're the ones getting nailed the hardest, and I'm sure there are quite a few people who are happy to keep them locked away, and not really think about the sausage making that gets and keeps them there.

Probably has a lot more to do with the fact that a "law and order" agenda is an easy sound bit to sell during an election while the argument against things like mandatory sentencing is a bit more involved.

[DGuller]

What cases like that highlight is that America hasn't been enlightened yet when it comes to judicial system.  Once people go to prison, they're considered subhuman, and the costs incurred by them don't count. 

As is usually the case with all big issues, I'm sure race plays a factor here.  Reigning in the prison-industrial complex is going to disproportionally benefit convicted black people, since they're the ones getting nailed the hardest, and I'm sure there are quite a few people who are happy to keep them locked away, and not really think about the sausage making that gets and keeps them there.

Probably has a lot more to do with the fact that a "law and order" agenda is an easy sound bit to sell during an election while the argument against things like mandatory sentencing is a bit more involved.

But the reason it's easy to sell is that the audience is receptive to being sold.  Why doesn't the same dynamic happen in other western democracies?

[derspiess]

Yeah, and then you went on to comment on how he got what he deserved.  See a problem there?

Yeah, I guess I do see a problem there, Bub.  'Cuz I never said that

Ok, explain to me what you meant when you said

"It's pretty severe, but shame on him for letting his guard down."

I'm saying it's severe punishment, but I'm not crying myself to sleep over it.

[crazy canuck]

What cases like that highlight is that America hasn't been enlightened yet when it comes to judicial system.  Once people go to prison, they're considered subhuman, and the costs incurred by them don't count. 

As is usually the case with all big issues, I'm sure race plays a factor here.  Reigning in the prison-industrial complex is going to disproportionally benefit convicted black people, since they're the ones getting nailed the hardest, and I'm sure there are quite a few people who are happy to keep them locked away, and not really think about the sausage making that gets and keeps them there.

Probably has a lot more to do with the fact that a "law and order" agenda is an easy sound bit to sell during an election while the argument against things like mandatory sentencing is a bit more involved.

But the reason it's easy to sell is that the audience is receptive to being sold.  Why doesn't the same dynamic happen in other western democracies?

What makes you think it doesnt.  The government in Canada has passed similar minimum mandatory sentencing laws and it has a disproportionate effect on native communities but that disproportionate effect has nothing to do with why the laws are an easy sell.  It is because a law and order agenda is a more simplistic idea to sell to the voting public then dealing with more difficult societal problems.

[Razgovory]

Lacking a conscience is considered a sign of strength among certain tribes.

Yeah, especially the tribe of stupid internet faggots.

Wait, isn't that your tribe?