EU and US free-trade talks launched

[OttoVonBismarck]

Yeah, people that cant tell the difference between organic (or at least grass fed) beef and industrial beef have lost the ability to taste food.

Same goes with organic (or at least free range) eggs.

Maybe if you eat the yolks, my normal egg intake is part of my rigorous fitness-based eating plan as a protein source and for various reasons that means I only eat the whites. I've bought organic eggs and separated the whites out, the whites or both types just lack the flavor requisite for it to matter. So I buy the cartons of regular egg whites personally.

[Viking]

They probably beat most European countries.  For instance Arkansas beats France in GDP per capita.  Britain is around there as well.

Remember though that there are no transfers within the EU except for farm subsidies and limited development funds. No EU military bases, or Medicare, or unemployment, and so on.

http://www.eu-oplysningen.dk/euo_en/spsv/all/79/

In the ten years between 2000 and 2010 spain recieved annually in net transfers from the EU between 1.2 Billion and 8.9 Billion euros from the EU. Angela wants her money back. But then again, since you guys were managing a 120 billion euro deficit on a 1 trillion euro economy it probably did feel like a drop in the bucket.

[crazy canuck]

Yeah, people that cant tell the difference between organic (or at least grass fed) beef and industrial beef have lost the ability to taste food.

Same goes with organic (or at least free range) eggs.

Maybe if you eat the yolks, my normal egg intake is part of my rigorous fitness-based eating plan as a protein source and for various reasons that means I only eat the whites. I've bought organic eggs and separated the whites out, the whites or both types just lack the flavor requisite for it to matter. So I buy the cartons of regular egg whites personally.

Meh, the whites are not where taste is.  If you are going to separate out the whites yeah you are probably just as well off eating crap eggs.

[derspiess]

crap eggs.

lol

[Tamas]

saying that organic and open herding or whatever > modern agriculture means the endorsement of famine, or at least less population than what we have now and what we could feed.

Except nobody is starving due to lack of food production.  Distribution is the issue.

You too, Brutus? the "distribution issue" is that we are willing to pay more for excess food than what 3rd worlders are able to pay. They should get their acts together and gain enough stability for at least semi-modern agriculture and everything would be fine.

So you agree with me that your talk about 'endorsing famine' is nonsense?

everybody, who advocates that organic farming and free range should expand against modern farming, is not only a goddamn luddite, but also endorses famine, considering current population levels.

[Richard Hakluyt]

By the same reasoning anyone who eats meat is endorsing famine 

I find that bacon is one of the products most worth careful choice btw. Some of the lower quality bacon on sale is simply disgraceful.

[Eddie Teach]

Many vegetarians must die so we meat eaters can live. 

[Sheilbh]

everybody, who advocates that organic farming and free range should expand against modern farming, is not only a goddamn luddite, but also endorses famine, considering current population levels.

As RH says the same argument could be used against meat. It takes considerably more land to produce smaller amounts of food than even organic farming. If famine's the only concern we should just have rice, wheat and veg.

I still don't understand why consumer choice in Europe is leading to famine anywhere else.

[Valmy]

everybody, who advocates that organic farming and free range should expand against modern farming, is not only a goddamn luddite, but also endorses famine, considering current population levels.

As RH says the same argument could be used against meat. It takes considerably more land to produce smaller amounts of food than even organic farming. If famine's the only concern we should just have rice, wheat and veg.

I still don't understand why consumer choice in Europe is leading to famine anywhere else.

Europe is the breadbasket for the world!

[Tamas]

everybody, who advocates that organic farming and free range should expand against modern farming, is not only a goddamn luddite, but also endorses famine, considering current population levels.

As RH says the same argument could be used against meat. It takes considerably more land to produce smaller amounts of food than even organic farming. If famine's the only concern we should just have rice, wheat and veg.

I still don't understand why consumer choice in Europe is leading to famine anywhere else.

you are still not listening. I merely singled out those who feel organic farming is inherently superior and there should not be non-organic farming and non-open range livestock. THOSE people endorse famine.

[Zanza]

You are moving goalposts, Tamas. Your earlier posts merely talked about superiority of organic over industrial food production, not about giving up industrial farming completely.

[crazy canuck]

everybody, who advocates that organic farming and free range should expand against modern farming, is not only a goddamn luddite, but also endorses famine, considering current population levels.

As RH says the same argument could be used against meat. It takes considerably more land to produce smaller amounts of food than even organic farming. If famine's the only concern we should just have rice, wheat and veg.

I still don't understand why consumer choice in Europe is leading to famine anywhere else.

you are still not listening. I merely singled out those who feel organic farming is inherently superior and there should not be non-organic farming and non-open range livestock. THOSE people endorse famine.

you are still not listening. I merely singled out those who feel they need to eat meat and meat should always be available for them to buy. THOSE people endorse famine.

[derspiess]

By the same reasoning anyone who eats meat is endorsing famine 

I find that bacon is one of the products most worth careful choice btw. Some of the lower quality bacon on sale is simply disgraceful.

It's probably horse bacon anyway.

[dps]

Free-range meat products I think have a good bit of merit.  I'm sceptical of organically grown vegetables having much advantage.

[Tamas]

everybody, who advocates that organic farming and free range should expand against modern farming, is not only a goddamn luddite, but also endorses famine, considering current population levels.

As RH says the same argument could be used against meat. It takes considerably more land to produce smaller amounts of food than even organic farming. If famine's the only concern we should just have rice, wheat and veg.

I still don't understand why consumer choice in Europe is leading to famine anywhere else.

you are still not listening. I merely singled out those who feel organic farming is inherently superior and there should not be non-organic farming and non-open range livestock. THOSE people endorse famine.

you are still not listening. I merely singled out those who feel they need to eat meat and meat should always be available for them to buy. THOSE people endorse famine.

wrong. the correct comparison would have used "those who feel meat is superior and there is no need for anything else"