Will the Government shut down on the 27th of March?

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garbon

Quote from: Phillip V on March 01, 2013, 06:50:59 AM
Quote from: fahdiz on February 28, 2013, 12:19:31 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on February 27, 2013, 11:51:30 PM
Will the sequester cause DC real estate prices to plummet?

:D
I really think it's happening. A 2-bedroom townhouse's asking price I have been monitoring fell $15,000 in the past 10 days:

http://www.remax.com/realestatehomesforsale/13821claretct-chantilly-va-20151-gid400027424991.html

I'd guess it is more likely that they realized they wouldn't be able to get that price in this economy. Their initial ask was up 80% from what they purchased it at in '01. Also, they saw the one offer they had fall through before this drop.

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/13821-Claret-Ct-Chantilly-VA-20151/51786483_zpid/
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

garbon

http://news.yahoo.com/spending-cuts-due-ground-navys-blue-angels-flying-122828653.html
QuoteBlue Angels pilot Dave Tickle said he is focused on practicing maneuvers for an upcoming show in California instead of worrying about how federal spending cuts will threaten performances this year by the U.S. Navy's renowned flight demonstration squadron.

With $85 billion in automatic cuts due to take effect on Friday, millions of fans across the country will likely miss out on the precision flying team's thrilling shows this year.

Blue Angels shows scheduled in more than two dozen cities between April and September are expected to be canceled as part of the cuts, said the team's spokeswoman, Lieutenant Katie Kelly. Some shows featuring the Blue Angels already have been called off in the face of budget uncertainties.

The grounding would be a sentimental loss for fans but not as serious as other reductions to defense spending, which President Barack Obama said could threaten Navy readiness. The Defense Department said the cuts would slash ship and aircraft maintenance, curtail training and result in 22 days' unpaid leave for most of the Pentagon's 800,000 civilian employees.

Programs such as the Blue Angels would take a back seat to "making sure ships are seaworthy and planes are airworthy for the war fighters who are operating overseas," said Lieutenant John Supple, spokesman for the Chief of Naval Air Training in Corpus Christi, Texas.

The news has saddened longtime fans, disappointed city leaders and sparked an online petition to the White House to save the Blue Angels' season. About 1,200 people had signed as of Thursday.

"They're an American icon, and they really resonate in a military town," said Ashton Hayward, mayor of Pensacola, Florida, home to the naval air station where the Blue Angels are based.

Pensacola's Blue Angels beach show each July pumps an additional $2.5 million into the local economy, according to a 2012 study.

"People plan their annual family trips around the shows and the impact on business is phenomenal," Hayward said. "If the Blue Angels end, it's going to be a sad, sad day for not just us, but for millions of people all over the country."

SHOWS CALLED OFF

Air shows scheduled for May at Seymour Johnson Air Force Base in North Carolina, and for June in Indianapolis, already have been canceled, organizers and U.S. Air Force officials announced in recent weeks.

The Air Force said its Thunderbirds exhibition flying team also is expected to be grounded if the so-called sequestration cuts happen.

The budget cuts will affect cities from Seattle to North Kingstown, Rhode Island, where the Rhode Island National Guard Air Show draws thousands of visitors to the small town each year.

The city's Quonset Air Base closed in the 1970s, but a sense of military pride still runs deep. Losing the Blue Angels would deal a huge blow for the show in late June, said Elizabeth Dolan, North Kingstown's town council president.

"Everybody looks forward to when they come," she said. "They fly right up over my house, and it's amazing and emotional to watch."
The Blue Angels program began in 1946 and costs about $40 million a year. Cancelling the bulk of the performing season would save about $28 million, according to Navy officials.

Because of the timing of the cuts, the Angels will still perform in March at the El Centro Air Show in southern California and the Southernmost Air Spectacular show in Key West, Florida.

The 130-person team, which includes seven pilots, consists of members who have served in high-level tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. Should the budget cuts go into effect, the team would be reassigned until there is enough money for them to take to the skies again, Supple said.

Tickle, a 32-year-old from Birmingham, Alabama, said he was inspired to become an expert naval pilot after watching Blue Angels performances during family vacations to Pensacola when he was a child. He is now a lieutenant commander in the Navy and the Blue Angels' lead solo pilot.

"I remember looking up at these shining blue and gold precision aircraft and thinking, 'I want to do that.' It gave me a feeling of amazement and pride," he said.

This would be great news! Noisy ass planes! :)
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

derspiess

More backtracking.  Our quasi-socialist president admitted today the sequester won't be an apocalypse :D
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

PDH

Until he recommends that the government own the means of production I can't say he is a very good socialist.
I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.
-Umberto Eco

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Sheilbh

Quote from: PDH on March 01, 2013, 08:36:25 PM
Until he recommends that the government own the means of production I can't say he is a very good socialist.
Here's to hoping :mmm:
Let's bomb Russia!

Phillip V

Quote from: garbon on March 01, 2013, 09:50:10 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on March 01, 2013, 06:50:59 AM
Quote from: fahdiz on February 28, 2013, 12:19:31 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on February 27, 2013, 11:51:30 PM
Will the sequester cause DC real estate prices to plummet?

:D
I really think it's happening. A 2-bedroom townhouse's asking price I have been monitoring fell $15,000 in the past 10 days:

http://www.remax.com/realestatehomesforsale/13821claretct-chantilly-va-20151-gid400027424991.html

I'd guess it is more likely that they realized they wouldn't be able to get that price in this economy. Their initial ask was up 80% from what they purchased it at in '01. Also, they saw the one offer they had fall through before this drop.

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/13821-Claret-Ct-Chantilly-VA-20151/51786483_zpid/
Well hopefully more offers fall thought for all these properties. ;)

Some economists predict that Virginia will enter a recession due to this sequester: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/us/politics/virginias-feast-on-us-funds-nears-an-end.html

Razgovory

Quote from: derspiess on March 01, 2013, 08:32:43 PM
More backtracking.  Our quasi-socialist president admitted today the sequester won't be an apocalypse :D

When are you guys going to drop the whole socialism thing?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Phillip V

Quote from: Razgovory on March 03, 2013, 11:06:22 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 01, 2013, 08:32:43 PM
More backtracking.  Our quasi-socialist president admitted today the sequester won't be an apocalypse :D

When are you guys going to drop the whole socialism thing?
When is Obama going to drop the whole socialism thing? :o

derspiess

Quote from: Razgovory on March 03, 2013, 11:06:22 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 01, 2013, 08:32:43 PM
More backtracking.  Our quasi-socialist president admitted today the sequester won't be an apocalypse :D

When are you guys going to drop the whole socialism thing?

When it stops eliciting a response from you types :P
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Razgovory

I'm just concerned about you.  Delusions are sort of my bag, not yours.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

The objection to the label socialist rests on one of two arguments. 

The first is that there is some sort of litmus test for socialism, such as a preference for state ownership of all the means of production, that Obama does not meet.  The problem with this one is we see in practice that there are all sorts of self-described socialists around the world who do not meet this test either. 

The second is that since everyone believes in the socialization of at least a few public goods, such as national defense, police protection, and perhaps social spending on retirees, that while technically true, it's meaningless to single out Obama since we are all socialists.  The problem with this argument is that it ignores the possibility of a difference of degree. 

The honest objection to the applying the term socialism to Obama and his policies is not that it is inaccurate but rather that it carries a negative connotation in the US.

Razgovory

So then when the GOP formally asked the Democratic party to change it's name to the "Democratic Socialist Party" it should have offered to change it's own name to the "Republican Socialist Party" as well?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Razgovory on March 03, 2013, 04:15:14 PM
So then when the GOP formally asked the Democratic party to change it's name to the "Democratic Socialist Party" it should have offered to change it's own name to the "Republican Socialist Party" as well?

QuoteThe problem with this argument is that it ignores the possibility of a difference of degree.

Razgovory

Yeah, so should they have offered to change their name as well?  After all they certainly to a socialist to a degree.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Razgovory on March 03, 2013, 04:29:02 PM
Yeah, so should they have offered to change their name as well?  After all they certainly to a socialist to a degree.

QuoteThe problem with this argument is that it ignores the possibility of a difference of degree.