The Empire Strikes Out - Inside the Battle of Hoth

[Tonitrus]

Indeed, a Wrath of Khan remake?  The kind of outrage that would generate might have you might end up with Trekkies burning their Klingon-English dictionaries in the streets.

[Viking]

Indeed, a Wrath of Khan remake?  The kind of outrage that would generate might have you might end up with Trekkies burning their Klingon-English dictionaries in the streets.

Ricardo Montalban may be dead, but he's still in Montalban stage 4 of his career.

[jimmy olsen]

Indeed, a Wrath of Khan remake?  The kind of outrage that would generate might have you might end up with Trekkies burning their Klingon-English dictionaries in the streets.

That reminds me of one of my favorite Onion articles

[Ideologue]

Indeed, a Wrath of Khan remake?  The kind of outrage that would generate might have you might end up with Trekkies burning their Klingon-English dictionaries in the streets.

Space Seed remake, not Wrath of Khan remake.

Money--I don't think it's Khan, but I think it's a Khan-like character (unless this has been fully squashed), and I don't think it's Mitchell.  Like I said, I think both are potentially good ideas to mine.  Guess we'll see in May.

[Ideologue]

I also wouldn't mind Garth of Izar.  That episode was awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L04dpkbU3IA

Lol.

[Tonitrus]

Indeed, a Wrath of Khan remake?  The kind of outrage that would generate might have you might end up with Trekkies burning their Klingon-English dictionaries in the streets.

Space Seed remake, not Wrath of Khan remake.

Money--I don't think it's Khan, but I think it's a Khan-like character (unless this has been fully squashed), and I don't think it's Mitchell.  Like I said, I think both are potentially good ideas to mine.  Guess we'll see in May.

I was speaking of a WoK remake in general terms, not specific to these circumstances.

[Ideologue]

Well, O Brother Where Art Thou wasn't inspired by The Iliad.

[Neil]

Star Wars was a movie made by movie guys.  Setting in space allowed for the tricked-out effects but the action and the content are based on westerns, shorts, and old war pics.  Why are Star Destroyers so big?  So they could have the iconic opening shot.  Why is there such heavy usage of 1-man fighters?  Because the guys who made it grew up watching news reels, comics and features with piston-engined dogfights.  Why four legged Imperial walkers?  Because they look menacing and a little gothic.  Why would the Empire put so much resources building a giant planet killing structure itself the size of the planet?  Because that is kind of thing that a Bond villain would do, or Fu Manchu if his cGDP was higher.  Trying to take all these characteristics and fashion some kind of logically consistent "universe" out of them not only is a fool's errand, it misses the point in a unintentionally comic way.

This sort of thinking is silly.  Wasting time by trying to imagine a universe out of scenes from a movie is a leisure time activity, and is no better or worse than drinking and attempting to determine which wine is best.  If people weren't wasting their time with this sort of thing, they'd have no choice but to start thinking about how to solve social probles.  Since the result of that would inevitably be lawyers being hunted down and shot like animals, it's probably advantageous for you that we're taking the time to do this.

[jimmy olsen]

This sort of thinking is silly.  Wasting time by trying to imagine a universe out of scenes from a movie is a leisure time activity, and is no better or worse than drinking and attempting to determine which wine is best.  If people weren't wasting their time with this sort of thing, they'd have no choice but to start thinking about how to solve social probles.  Since the result of that would inevitably be lawyers being hunted down and shot like animals, it's probably advantageous for you that we're taking the time to do this.

I liked how they solved the Lawyer problem on Ajuris 5





^^^ In Blackest Night, episode 4-5 of Justice League (animated series)

[derspiess]

Tattoo and short hair on that one? Boo.

You was looking at the tat? Homo.

She ruined the pic and should've been photoshopped out.

[grumbler]

Psychic abilities in B5 seemed pretty darn powerful, and I thought that there was at least a genetic component to psychic abilities in that work.  And while I will agree that psychic abilities weren't central to B5 as the Force was to SW, I'd say cutting them and PsyCorps out of B5 would definately have been a significant change.

I agree that the change would have been a change, but there was never anything magical about psychic abilities in B5, nor were they in any way central to the plot. 

The force was never presented in the first three movies as anything but magic.  There's nothing wrong with that; the One Ring was never presented as anything but magic, either.  Nor superman's powers, etc.  My point simply is that fantasies lend themselves to analysis of characters, but not, in most cases, plot elements or "science."  Analyzing Vader's tactics as though they had been designed to meet the criteria for military tactics looks to me like a mug's game.  Noting that Vader wanted to capture Luke and not kill him (as the Emperor wanted him to do) is perfectly valid analysis; debating whether Hoth had a whole-planet shield or just a local one is not.

It's just an observation.  People who take it personally have bigger problems than just being fanboys.

[grumbler]

But Star Trek has the Q who are far more powerful than anyone using the Force in Star Wars.

True.  I never watched those episodes (other than that awful last ep), but I know they existed.  Those were pretty much full fantasy eps, but weren't central to the ST concept like the force was to Star Wars.

[grumbler]

Like that entire plotline where Shadows tried to eliminate or control telepaths because they were harmful to them and the whole 5th season.  Yeah, nothing significant

Exactly.  That could have been dropped with no impact on the story.

[jimmy olsen]

But Star Trek has the Q who are far more powerful than anyone using the Force in Star Wars.

True.  I never watched those episodes (other than that awful last ep), but I know they existed.  Those were pretty much full fantasy eps, but weren't central to the ST concept like the force was to Star Wars.

I'd say the Borg were central to the story arc of The Next Generation, and Q was involved with that.

[The Minsky Moment]

This sort of thinking is silly.  Wasting time by trying to imagine a universe out of scenes from a movie is a leisure time activity, and is no better or worse than drinking and attempting to determine which wine is best.  If people weren't wasting their time with this sort of thing, they'd have no choice but to start thinking about how to solve social probles.  Since the result of that would inevitably be lawyers being hunted down and shot like animals, it's probably advantageous for you that we're taking the time to do this.

Lawyers were thriving quite nicely before Star Wars.
I'll take my chances.