This Evenings State Of The Union Address.

Started by mongers, February 12, 2013, 06:04:51 PM

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DGuller

Quote from: Valmy on February 12, 2013, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 12, 2013, 09:55:58 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 12, 2013, 09:52:19 PM
I am so tired of the 'wealthiest nation on earth stuff'.  If you are carrying massive debts you are not rich.
Government <> nation, at least not our nation.

THe problem is this is usually brought up as a justification to expand entitlements or government assistance of some sort so the Government's position is the problem.
Even then that doesn't hold for nations.  The wealth of nations is measured by GDP, not by your balance sheet.  Equating personal finances with national finances is one of the basic rhetorical fallacies politicians make.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Valmy on February 12, 2013, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 12, 2013, 10:02:08 PM
And whatever state program we have that gives those lazy-ass parents a card to swipe at the place where I pay full price.

You get what you pay for though amiright?

But see, that's not enough for The Great White Forehead;  base services provided by the taxes he kicks in for low income minority types provided is simply unaKKKeptable.

DGuller

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 12, 2013, 10:03:13 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 12, 2013, 09:55:58 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 12, 2013, 09:52:19 PM
I am so tired of the 'wealthiest nation on earth stuff'.  If you are carrying massive debts you are not rich.
Government <> nation, at least not our nation.

When quantifying total wealth it does. Some of our assets and liabilities by necessity are held by the government.
By those standards Imperial Russia was a much wealthier country than British Empire for many decades.

MadImmortalMan

GDP measures economic output, not wealth, Mr. Actuary.
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derspiess

Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 12, 2013, 10:04:02 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 12, 2013, 10:02:08 PM
HEAD START

And whatever state program we have that gives those lazy-ass parents a card to swipe at the place where I pay full price.

Oh, those wily niggers and their procreating, whatever will they think of next to screw you over?

The handful of black parents at our preschool are not the offenders.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

DGuller

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 12, 2013, 10:08:13 PM
GDP measures economic output, not wealth, Mr. Actuary.
Income stream is an asset of its own.

Valmy

Quote from: DGuller on February 12, 2013, 10:06:34 PM
Even then that doesn't hold for nations.  The wealth of nations is measured by GDP, not by your balance sheet.

I think that is garbage.  Hundreds of nations since the beginning of time have been ruined by sustained deficits and I cannot think of one that prospered through sustained deficits for decades on end.  But even if you are right in some sort of technical sense the deficit does stop the government from making sure nobody lives in poverty or has health care or whatever noble cause compels us to solve because of our great wealth.

Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on February 12, 2013, 10:11:28 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 12, 2013, 10:04:02 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 12, 2013, 10:02:08 PM
HEAD START

And whatever state program we have that gives those lazy-ass parents a card to swipe at the place where I pay full price.

Oh, those wily niggers and their procreating, whatever will they think of next to screw you over?

The handful of black parents at our preschool are not the offenders.

I'm sure they're very articulate.

Valmy

Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

derspiess

Quote from: Valmy on February 12, 2013, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 12, 2013, 10:02:08 PM
And whatever state program we have that gives those lazy-ass parents a card to swipe at the place where I pay full price.

You get what you pay for though amiright?

We pay a lot but I'm satisfied with what we get. Unfortunately there are some freeloading parents that drive much nicer cars than we do yet get most of their tuition subsidized by the state. And if you guys think I'm bitter, ask the wife her opinion.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

derspiess

Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 12, 2013, 10:15:12 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 12, 2013, 10:11:28 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 12, 2013, 10:04:02 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 12, 2013, 10:02:08 PM
HEAD START

And whatever state program we have that gives those lazy-ass parents a card to swipe at the place where I pay full price.

Oh, those wily niggers and their procreating, whatever will they think of next to screw you over?

The handful of black parents at our preschool are not the offenders.

I'm sure they're very articulate.

Quite.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on February 12, 2013, 10:16:12 PM
We pay a lot but I'm satisfied with what we get. Unfortunately there are some freeloading parents that drive much nicer cars than we do yet get most of their tuition subsidized by the state. And if you guys think I'm bitter, ask the wife her opinion.

Huh.  I guess this means I had no idea what exactly Head Start was.  I thought they were actual schools for poor kids not a kind of voucher system.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

garbon

Quote from: derspiess on February 12, 2013, 10:16:12 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 12, 2013, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 12, 2013, 10:02:08 PM
And whatever state program we have that gives those lazy-ass parents a card to swipe at the place where I pay full price.

You get what you pay for though amiright?

We pay a lot but I'm satisfied with what we get. Unfortunately there are some freeloading parents that drive much nicer cars than we do yet get most of their tuition subsidized by the state. And if you guys think I'm bitter, ask the wife her opinion.

Why? She'd just recite what you told her.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Valmy on February 12, 2013, 10:18:24 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 12, 2013, 10:16:12 PM
We pay a lot but I'm satisfied with what we get. Unfortunately there are some freeloading parents that drive much nicer cars than we do yet get most of their tuition subsidized by the state. And if you guys think I'm bitter, ask the wife her opinion.

Huh.  I guess this means I had no idea what exactly Head Start was.  I thought they were actual schools for poor kids not a kind of voucher system.

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