France Invades Mali

[PDH]

No stacking issues with French units in VG's NATO;  their entry is simply variable and staggered by turn.

 

All I remember is that time that Brian rolled the worst ever set of die rolls in the north and little Syt was saved.

[Jacob]

Now how about you elaborate on how we get pissed off *when* they pull their weight.

Wasn't he saying that what you describe *was* pulling their weight, and you are pissed because you define it as not doing so?

[Razgovory]

I always thought building nuclear weapons was pulling your own weight.  Guess I was wrong.

[Sheilbh]

Now how about you elaborate on how we get pissed off *when* they pull their weight.

France does pull their weight. You may not think so. But I think developing and maintaining a capacity to act is taking more of the weight, than being a useful, reliable ally like plucky little Denmark or the UK.

They're probably the only European country that's capable of this sort of action. As I say without France, the rest of Europe - including the UK, quite probably - would be offering vigorous support for a US-led mission to Mali. France can and does act, in this case she should be supported by all her European partners because there's been Euro-wide worries about the Sahel for ages. But more widely I hope the activist French vision of Europe wins support, I think the alternative is German-style early retirement and abstaining over Libya (which strikes me as far worse than not pulling your weight).

It was a flippant line really. But France pulls their weight. Americans tend to moan about Europe not contributing enough. But you bitch about the French more (so do the Brits, the Germans and everyone else - they're insufferable).

[Admiral Yi]

Wasn't he saying that what you describe *was* pulling their weight, and you are pissed because you define it as not doing so?

I offered the rebuttal of De Gaulle dicking around with the command structure *after* Shelf had presented his thesis that Americans get pissed when France pulls its weight.

So there's no particular reason to think that's what Shelf was thinking of when he presented his thesis, particularly given that the context in which he presented it had nothing to do with De Gaulle dicking around with the command structure.

[Admiral Yi]

It was a flippant line really.

Kay.

[Valmy]

Utter tripe.  Complete codswallop.  Pulling out of the NATO command structure and weakening the military alliance that defended France against Warsaw Pact invasion is the exact opposite of pulling one's one weight.  France under De Gaulle invented the tactic of fucking with your most important ally as a pathetic ploy to restore emasculated national pride.

How did it weaken NATO?  Nonsense.

In any case that was not the pathetic ploy.  I already went over this less than a month ago do you and Cal just not read my posts?

[CountDeMoney]

No stacking issues with French units in VG's NATO;  their entry is simply variable and staggered by turn.

 

All I remember is that time that Brian rolled the worst ever set of die rolls in the north and little Syt was saved.

I usually go Chemical Warfare by the 6th turn at the absolute latest.  Little Syt better be good at holding his breath.

[Scipio]

Would be more interesting as porno Franz Invades Molly.

[Zoupa]

Maybe. Perhaps it is hard to buy an air of superiority from a nation that is so clearly not superior.

Exactly

[garbon]

Maybe. Perhaps it is hard to buy an air of superiority from a nation that is so clearly not superior.

Exactly

I don't know. Don't hear any French tunes when I go out in New York meanwhile I heard many American tracks while out in Paris.

[Jacob]

I don't know. Don't hear any French tunes when I go out in New York meanwhile I heard many American tracks while out in Paris.

Further proof that the French are superior, what with their sophisticated tastes and multi-lingual abilities

[garbon]

I don't know. Don't hear any French tunes when I go out in New York meanwhile I heard many American tracks while out in Paris.

Further proof that the French are superior, what with their sophisticated tastes and multi-lingual abilities

They sure don't act like they are multi-lingual.

[viper37]

I don't know. Don't hear any French tunes when I go out in New York meanwhile I heard many American tracks while out in Paris.

Further proof that the French are superior, what with their sophisticated tastes and multi-lingual abilities

They sure don't act like they are multi-lingual.

The Superior will not adapt to the inferior. 

They often are multi-lingual, but it may not be english.  Or, if you went to Paris, they simply don't like tourists and will do everything they can to make you feel unwelcome, unless you learn parisian french (argot).

[Duque de Bragança]

I don't know. Don't hear any French tunes when I go out in New York meanwhile I heard many American tracks while out in Paris.

Further proof that the French are superior, what with their sophisticated tastes and multi-lingual abilities

They sure don't act like they are multi-lingual.

The Superior will not adapt to the inferior. 

They often are multi-lingual, but it may not be english.  Or, if you went to Paris, they simply don't like tourists and will do everything they can to make you feel unwelcome, unless you learn parisian french (argot).

Parisian French is actually standard French. After all, the country and language originated from there (cf. Île-de-FRANCE name of the region).
As for the argot, "titi parisien" is nowadays dead anyways. Having a Yank trying to speak The ghetto/suburban slang version of verlan could elicit some laughs though