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2nd Amendment: the poll!

Started by Kleves, December 26, 2012, 10:30:44 AM

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Should the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution be repealed?

Yes, and I'm an American - We need to ensure that guns only end up where they belong: in the hands of the police, the military, and the most dangerous of criminals
11 (22.4%)
No, and I'm an American - guns have made America so dangerous that gun-ownership is the only way to make America safe
14 (28.6%)
Yes, and I'm not an American - Taking away America's guns will make invasion via the UN much easier #blackhelicopters
14 (28.6%)
No, and I'm not an American - I support the 2nd Amendment; it's the easiest way to kill tons of Americans each year
3 (6.1%)
Your question confuses and angers me, but I like voting in polls!
7 (14.3%)

Total Members Voted: 48

Kleves

Assuming that the Supreme Court is right that the 2nd Amendment protects an individual's right to bear arms, would you be in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment?
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Admiral Yi

Much better alternative than pretending it doesn't exist.

merithyn

I don't like your premise for the answers given. :mellow:

I'm an American, and I do not think that we should repeal the 2nd amendment because I don't think that it will fix anything. I agree, in general, with allowing firearms, but I believe that there should be some restrictions. As in most things, I prefer a balanced approach rather than an absolute.
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derspiess

Quote from: merithyn on December 26, 2012, 11:10:26 AM
I don't like your premise for the answers given. :mellow:

Pretty sure they weren't serious.  It's just how we do polls here.
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11B4V

Quote from: merithyn on December 26, 2012, 11:10:26 AM
I don't like your premise for the answers given. :mellow:

I'm an American, and I do not think that we should repeal the 2nd amendment because I don't think that it will fix anything. I agree, in general, with allowing firearms, but I believe that there should be some restrictions. As in most things, I prefer a balanced approach rather than an absolute.

Pretty much +1
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: merithyn on December 26, 2012, 11:10:26 AM
I don't like your premise for the answers given. :mellow:

I'm an American, and I do not think that we should repeal the 2nd amendment because I don't think that it will fix anything. I agree, in general, with allowing firearms, but I believe that there should be some restrictions. As in most things, I prefer a balanced approach rather than an absolute.

You know, repealing the 2nd would not automatically lead to a total ban on private firearms.  At least not in most states.

derspiess

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 26, 2012, 11:15:15 AM
Quote from: merithyn on December 26, 2012, 11:10:26 AM
I don't like your premise for the answers given. :mellow:

I'm an American, and I do not think that we should repeal the 2nd amendment because I don't think that it will fix anything. I agree, in general, with allowing firearms, but I believe that there should be some restrictions. As in most things, I prefer a balanced approach rather than an absolute.

You know, repealing the 2nd would not automatically lead to a total ban on private firearms.  At least not in most states.

It would be easier for things to creep in that general direction, though.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: derspiess on December 26, 2012, 11:19:11 AM
It would be easier for things to creep in that general direction, though.

Of course it would.  It would throw gun regulation into the political arena.

Berkut

I would certainly be in favor of repealing it - I don't think the right to own a weapon is in any way fundamental for human freedom, and would much rather be able to discuss and make decisions about appropriate private gun ownership without the basic concept having some special protection placed around it.
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Razgovory

Nah, I'm uncomfortable fucking with the constitution.  We need a better reason then bothering some rednecks.
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Zanza

I don't really care for America's gun laws, but I would outlaw handguns here and require the population to hand them in. And all rifles unless you are a hunter in which case you may own rifles that are meant for hunting (shotguns or bolt-action rifles I guess).

DGuller

Ideally, I would outlaw handguns and military-grade stuff.  Long rifles and shotguns can stay, since they are less likely to be used in common gun crimes due to lack of ability to conceal them.  I also think that citizens being able to defend themselves in their home is important for the sake of dignity, if nothing else, and in this day and age that requires a firearm.

Viking

A Handgun in the home is many orders of magnitude more likely to kill it's owner than to every be used to protect anything. I think the US should look at western societies which have similar levels of gun ownership (like norway, finland and switzerland) and/or have similar social and cultural issues (uk and canada) and learn from them.

You don't need to change the constitution (though I suppose changing the constitution was a place holder for doing some gun control) to do this. Everybody has a right to join the state militia, now, limit gun ownership to hunting and sporting weapons, secure those guns in hunting or marksmanship club houses and limit the owners to people who actually participate in these activities. This is how all of the above examples regulate guns.
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The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

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Quote from: Viking on December 26, 2012, 02:10:28 PM
A Handgun in the home is many orders of magnitude more likely to kill it's owner than to every be used to protect anything.

Provide something to back this up.
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Phillip V

Quote from: Viking on December 26, 2012, 02:10:28 PM
A Handgun in the home is many orders of magnitude more likely to kill it's owner than to every be used to protect anything. I think the US should look at western societies which have similar levels of gun ownership (like norway, finland and switzerland) and/or have similar social and cultural issues (uk and canada) and learn from them.

You don't need to change the constitution (though I suppose changing the constitution was a place holder for doing some gun control) to do this. Everybody has a right to join the state militia, now, limit gun ownership to hunting and sporting weapons, secure those guns in hunting or marksmanship club houses and limit the owners to people who actually participate in these activities. This is how all of the above examples regulate guns.
No.