Elementary school shooting reported in Newtown, Conn.

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derspiess

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 21, 2012, 01:27:28 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2012, 01:22:53 PM
Yeah don't worry.  It seems the second amendment types want the government to attack the first amendment instead of themselves.  So much for the NRA being about liberty.

You know, it would be really cool if those individuals that want such a strict Founding Fathers interpretation of the 2nd Amendment get precisely that: and the courts decide that the 2nd Amendment should apply to those individual rights to possess black powder weaponry.

After all, if that's what the Framers had in mind, then that's what the Amendment should be restricted to:  musket technology.   That should slow down the next school shooting's rate of fire.  Brown Bess instead of Bushmaster.

Wow, so insightful.  That's never been said before :mellow:
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Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on December 21, 2012, 01:38:14 PM
You're dead-on about WV constituents not holding their elected officials accountable for representing their own views.  Incumbency, labor union support, and pork apparently go a long, long way with WV voters.

Besides the labor union stuff that sounds like Texas voters.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

derspiess

Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2012, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 21, 2012, 01:38:14 PM
You're dead-on about WV constituents not holding their elected officials accountable for representing their own views.  Incumbency, labor union support, and pork apparently go a long, long way with WV voters.

Besides the labor union stuff that sounds like Texas voters.

Right, but don't their elected officials tend to represent the majority's political views more often than not?  I guess it is actually changing in that direction for WV.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on December 21, 2012, 01:39:19 PM
Wow, so insightful.  That's never been said before :mellow:

Like we're going to get anywhere discussing gun control to begin with.   :P 

It's all one big circle jerk until the next mass shooting reduces Sandy Hook to the tag "...the largest school shooting in the US since the Sandy Hook massacre" in the byline.

At least I'll admit to recycling the same bullshit, and not acting like this is some sort of novel opportunity to change things.   20 little skulls ventilated with multiple .223 rounds sure as hell ain't going to do it.

Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on December 21, 2012, 01:50:09 PM
Right, but don't their elected officials tend to represent the majority's political views more often than not?  I guess it is actually changing in that direction for WV.

:hmm: Good question.  It sure seems like people like Rick Perry can get away with doing things like being both pro and anti illegal immigration at the same time and nobody seems to care.  I also remember when Kay Bailey ran for governor suddenly all this furious rage came out against all she had done in the Senate...for somebody who was never seriously challenged once.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Ed Anger

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 21, 2012, 01:53:04 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 21, 2012, 01:39:19 PM
Wow, so insightful.  That's never been said before :mellow:

Like we're going to get anywhere discussing gun control to begin with.   :P 

It's all one big circle jerk until the next mass shooting reduces Sandy Hook to the tag "...the largest school shooting in the US since the Sandy Hook massacre" in the byline.

At least I'll admit to recycling the same bullshit, and not acting like this is some sort of novel opportunity to change things.   20 little skulls ventilated with multiple .223 rounds sure as hell ain't going to do it.

There is a great thread on wargamer.com. I think the swede you met is posting in it.
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Kleves on December 21, 2012, 11:35:50 AM
The NRA's doubling down (unsurprisingly):

Their original STFU strategy was working a lot better.
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: derspiess on December 21, 2012, 12:45:20 PM
circular firing squad between movies/games, gun rights advocates, and the mental health industry.

The NRA doesn't have anything to worry about in that scenario.  :D
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11B4V

Quote from: derspiess on December 21, 2012, 01:39:19 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 21, 2012, 01:27:28 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2012, 01:22:53 PM
Yeah don't worry.  It seems the second amendment types want the government to attack the first amendment instead of themselves.  So much for the NRA being about liberty.

You know, it would be really cool if those individuals that want such a strict Founding Fathers interpretation of the 2nd Amendment get precisely that: and the courts decide that the 2nd Amendment should apply to those individual rights to possess black powder weaponry.

After all, if that's what the Framers had in mind, then that's what the Amendment should be restricted to:  musket technology.   That should slow down the next school shooting's rate of fire.  Brown Bess instead of Bushmaster.

Wow, so insightful.  That's never been said before :mellow:

Typical argument from the Left™
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

mongers

Quote from: Kleves on December 21, 2012, 11:35:50 AM
The NRA's doubling down (unsurprisingly):
QuoteNational Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre defiantly blamed violent
.....

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," he said, asking Congress to immediately appropriate the money to put a police officer in every single school in the country.
.....

I wonder if he's considered what happens when a good guy chooses to do bad things ?

Or is the white hat a token of a legally binding contract ?  :hmm:
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: 11B4V on December 21, 2012, 03:44:17 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 21, 2012, 01:39:19 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 21, 2012, 01:27:28 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2012, 01:22:53 PM
Yeah don't worry.  It seems the second amendment types want the government to attack the first amendment instead of themselves.  So much for the NRA being about liberty.

You know, it would be really cool if those individuals that want such a strict Founding Fathers interpretation of the 2nd Amendment get precisely that: and the courts decide that the 2nd Amendment should apply to those individual rights to possess black powder weaponry.

After all, if that's what the Framers had in mind, then that's what the Amendment should be restricted to:  musket technology.   That should slow down the next school shooting's rate of fire.  Brown Bess instead of Bushmaster.

Wow, so insightful.  That's never been said before :mellow:

Typical argument from the Left™

It would certainly make black bear season more sporting, now wouldn't it, Mr. Macrame Needles?

11B4V

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 21, 2012, 05:14:57 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 21, 2012, 03:44:17 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 21, 2012, 01:39:19 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 21, 2012, 01:27:28 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2012, 01:22:53 PM
Yeah don't worry.  It seems the second amendment types want the government to attack the first amendment instead of themselves.  So much for the NRA being about liberty.

You know, it would be really cool if those individuals that want such a strict Founding Fathers interpretation of the 2nd Amendment get precisely that: and the courts decide that the 2nd Amendment should apply to those individual rights to possess black powder weaponry.

After all, if that's what the Framers had in mind, then that's what the Amendment should be restricted to:  musket technology.   That should slow down the next school shooting's rate of fire.  Brown Bess instead of Bushmaster.

Wow, so insightful.  That's never been said before :mellow:

Typical argument from the Left™

It would certainly make black bear season more sporting, now wouldn't it, Mr. Macrame Needles?

I dont hunt bears thank you very much  :blurgh:. Certain animals I have no desire to hunt and get a pass unless for self defense. Why? "Cause I just think they're cool.

BV's no hunt list.
Bears
Big Cats
Elephants
Rhino
Hippo
K-9 species
American Buff

BV's would like to hunt list
Mbogo, affalo, nyati, Syncerus caffer, aka Black Death, or aka African Water Buffalo.  :yes:
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Ed Anger

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katmai

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son

Ed Anger

I'd borrow a mobility scooter from Wal Mart so I wouldn't have to run. My knees hurt.
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