What makes a consevative a conservative?

[Razgovory]

Sounds like a weird way to describe right wing.

Right wingers are weird bunch.

[derspiess]

  Keep forgetting it's impossible to have an objective conversation with you.

[Admiral Yi]

  It's not a command Hierarchy, it's one of social class.  Donald trump can't tell you what to do, but he does live better then you and with money comes more power and status.

It's Marxist agitprop.  The fact that the maitre d' (sp?) at Chez Snob and the head of fundraising at the Metropolitan Opera both kiss Donald's ass is due to Donald throwing money around; not because he's a member of a group that is granted special privileges.

[dps]

Your article writer is conflating economic inequality and social inequality.  That's moranic.

A common fallacy of the left, though perhaps more understandable in, and applicable to, 19 and early 20 century Europe.

[Admiral Yi]

A common fallacy of the left, though perhaps more understandable in, and applicable to, 19 and early 20 century Europe.

Right.  I thought Raz's buddy had a good point about conservatism being a defense of the privileges of the aristocracy.  The Catholic Church fits well too.  Then this nonsense.

[Razgovory]

  It's not a command Hierarchy, it's one of social class.  Donald trump can't tell you what to do, but he does live better then you and with money comes more power and status.

It's Marxist agitprop.  The fact that the maitre d' (sp?) at Chez Snob and the head of fundraising at the Metropolitan Opera both kiss Donald's ass is due to Donald throwing money around; not because he's a member of a group that is granted special privileges.

It doesn't require specified granted privileges, just being the increased status, or do you believe we really live in a classless society?  I'm not sure where you get the idea that being upper class means you have to have certain privileges set in stone.  I imagine Trump does have command authority in his own company though.

[Viking]

Oh please.

OK, I can accept the argument that he may not have been evil, just stupid. Though, given his personal behavior I'll add con-man to acceptable answers.

I don't attack the man or his intentions I attack his ideas.

OK, I attack the man as well, with the relationship morals of newt gingrich and mastered the height of parental hypocracy by shipping multiple byblows to a foundling hospital only to later write a book on parenting. The thing is that his personal depravity doesn't necessarily negate his malevolent ideas.

[DGuller]

Your article writer is conflating economic inequality and social inequality.  That's moranic.

A common fallacy of the left, though perhaps more understandable in, and applicable to, 19 and early 20 century Europe.

And a common fallacy of the right is to ignore the connection between the two.  Since people are slaves to basic material needs at the very least, economic inequality in practice translates to social inequality.

[DGuller]

In American context, when someone pounds his chest and proclaims himself a staunch conservative, what it translates to is being contrarian to common sense, but only when common sense is actually largely on point.

[Admiral Yi]

It doesn't require specified granted privileges, just being the increased status, or do you believe we really live in a classless society?  I'm not sure where you get the idea that being upper class means you have to have certain privileges set in stone.  I imagine Trump does have command authority in his own company though.

Most of these are true statements.  Now the trick is to tie them back into the the original thesis that conservatism is the defense of privilege.

A good restaurant table and jumping the line are not privileges reserved for a certain group.  Anybody who slips the maitre d' a c-note will get the same treatment.

[Admiral Yi]

And a common fallacy of the right is to ignore the connection between the two.

No it's not.

[DGuller]

And a common fallacy of the right is to ignore the connection between the two.

No it's not.

It is.

[Admiral Yi]

It is.

You're making stuff up.  You will be unable to find an example of a person, conservative or otherwise, who claims that there is zero connection between wealth and status, or treatment, or popularity, or fame, or whatever.

Your retort to dps sounded really cool when you typed it but it has zero basis in fact.

[DGuller]

It is.

You're making stuff up.  You will be unable to find an example of a person, conservative or otherwise, who claims that there is zero connection between wealth and status, or treatment, or popularity, or fame, or whatever.

Your retort to dps sounded really cool when you typed it but it has zero basis in fact.

If it sounded cool, I'm glad.  However, that wasn't my primary intention behind it.

[Admiral Yi]

Nice.  Defend your point or concede it.  Fish or cut bait.