The war on men

[The Minsky Moment]

These threads always go the same way.

Each poster generalizes from their own personal experiences and handpicked anecdotes, with occasional nods to pop-psych constructs along the way to justify their particular generalization.  They then accuse their opponent of doing exactly what I just described, apparently unaware that they are doing the exact same thing themselves but from the opposite POV.  What is completely missing from all sides is any set of aggregate facts or data.  Not surprisingly, the process reveals some things about the life experiences, mental processes and personal concerns of the poster, but little else of value.

[garbon]

Wouldn't that depend on her intent? Perhaps she hops so quickly as she can quickly realize that it isn't right. Hopefully you aren't proposing marriage after only a few months.

[Razgovory]

These threads always go the same way.

Each poster generalizes from their own personal experiences and handpicked anecdotes, with occasional nods to pop-psych constructs along the way to justify their particular generalization.  They then accuse their opponent of doing exactly what I just described, apparently unaware that they are doing the exact same thing themselves but from the opposite POV.  What is completely missing from all sides is any set of aggregate facts or data.  Not surprisingly, the process reveals some things about the life experiences, mental processes and personal concerns of the poster, but little else of value.

Fuck, and I haven't even posted yet!

[Legbiter]

Aw, minsky, you wanna drag science into this? Social science? 

[garbon]

Not surprisingly, the process reveals some things about the life experiences, mental processes and personal concerns of the poster, but little else of value.

I respond to the post, not the poster.

[Jacob]

You're naive if you think sluts only rack up an impressive notch count via one-night stands because they're just so horny they can't help themselves. That's not the Way Of The Slut. Some of the most prolific ones I knew would hop from "boyfriend" to boyfriend every few months or so while getting the occaisonal ONS (those don't count in chick logic) inbetween. The serial quasi-monogomy while on the cock carousel is the acid on her soul that makes her an unfit wife.

Slut clearly has a much more specific definition than I thought.

It's a cultural thing.

Siegy's definition of a slut is different than derSpiess', which is different again from Drakken's and from yours and from Legbiter's.

Consider a woman who has something like a few one-night stands and 2-4 shortish relationships (date for a few months, some sex) a year, but never cheated on someone or was an accessory to cheating? Is she a slut? Is she still a slut if in her thirties she's in a long term committed relationship, and prior to that was in another long relationship?

To Siegy, based on previous posts, the answer is yes, I'm pretty sure. From what derSpiess has said, I think he'd consider her a slut as well and thus suspect afterwards as well. I don't think she's the kind of person Legbiter, Viking, Valmy or Drakken are talking about when they speak of a slut (correct me if I'm wrong, though).

My point is, "slut" generally means a woman who's more sexually active than the speaker is comfortable with, at least if they consider them as a potentially serious partner. What that is varies individually and, because individuals are shaped by their cultures, culturally.

... at least that's my take.

[Jacob]

These threads always go the same way.

Each poster generalizes from their own personal experiences and handpicked anecdotes, with occasional nods to pop-psych constructs along the way to justify their particular generalization.  They then accuse their opponent of doing exactly what I just described, apparently unaware that they are doing the exact same thing themselves but from the opposite POV.  What is completely missing from all sides is any set of aggregate facts or data.  Not surprisingly, the process reveals some things about the life experiences, mental processes and personal concerns of the poster, but little else of value.

... and that's why I'd love to hear your take.

[Razgovory]

Not surprisingly, the process reveals some things about the life experiences, mental processes and personal concerns of the poster, but little else of value.

I respond to the post, not the poster.

Oh BS.

[Legbiter]

These threads always go the same way.

Each poster generalizes from their own personal experiences and handpicked anecdotes, with occasional nods to pop-psych constructs along the way to justify their particular generalization.  They then accuse their opponent of doing exactly what I just described, apparently unaware that they are doing the exact same thing themselves but from the opposite POV.  What is completely missing from all sides is any set of aggregate facts or data.  Not surprisingly, the process reveals some things about the life experiences, mental processes and personal concerns of the poster, but little else of value.

... and that's why I'd love to hear your take.

Mind you, Minsky is the guy who turned the F1 Nazi orgy thread into a stately discussion on the various legal issues surrounding the case. 

[derspiess]

I love threads where derspiess kicks it into Cotton Mather Mode. 

HOLLA 

[mongers]

These threads always go the same way.

Each poster generalizes from their own personal experiences and handpicked anecdotes, with occasional nods to pop-psych constructs along the way to justify their particular generalization.  They then accuse their opponent of doing exactly what I just described, apparently unaware that they are doing the exact same thing themselves but from the opposite POV.  What is completely missing from all sides is any set of aggregate facts or data.  Not surprisingly, the process reveals some things about the life experiences, mental processes and personal concerns of the poster, but little else of value.

Well that's a given, also probably applies to what, say 60% of languish threads.

But none the less still nicely put.

And again, that's why I enjoy this sort of thread so much. And why I'm unlikely to post much of an opinion in it, lest I reveal too much. 

[derspiess]

Siegy's definition of a slut is different than derSpiess', which is different again from Drakken's and from yours and from Legbiter's.

Diversity FTW.

Consider a woman who has something like a few one-night stands and 2-4 shortish relationships (date for a few months, some sex) a year, but never cheated on someone or was an accessory to cheating? Is she a slut? Is she still a slut if in her thirties she's in a long term committed relationship, and prior to that was in another long relationship?

To Siegy, based on previous posts, the answer is yes, I'm pretty sure. From what derSpiess has said, I think he'd consider her a slut as well and thus suspect afterwards as well. I don't think she's the kind of person Legbiter, Viking, Valmy or Drakken are talking about when they speak of a slut (correct me if I'm wrong, though).

Since you mentioned me, I'll weigh in & say that in her 30s she's a woman with a slutty past and not currently a slut.  Whether or not that's a distinction without a difference, I dunno.  If I were personally involved with her I'd proceed with caution.

This is going to piss off Meri even further, but there is a point at which a woman becomes overly used goods and therefore less desirable for me.  But that's just me.  I have a whole set of likes/dislikes re: wimmenz that may seem arbitrary to other people.

[PDH]

A slut is someone who won't do me but does my buddy.

[mongers]

OK, I've changed my mind, I'll throw my hat in the ring and say this;

IMHO there are some significant differences, the only one I've detected is a tendency for men to marry/go after based on the 'psychology' of the women, women tend to vote for the mans career/social status. 

[mongers]

A slut is someone who won't do me but does my buddy.

This is an internally coherent worldview, that fails to help the man pimp himself out.