Walmart Workers Threaten to Strike on Black Friday

[DGuller]

Well that's the problem with having a shitty economy in the first place.

Here it can be hard to find another prole.

I would say the problem is the casino economy.  Good times or bad times, the people in the economy are consistently getting squeezed in favor of capital.

[derspiess]

I think this is really a bunch of fluff and stuff. Maybe it's because I've worked for hospitals for a number of years, and for the service industry that doesn't shut down because of the holidays, but if that's what the job is, then that's what the job is. I work in insurance now, and I have to be at work on Friday at 8am just like any other work day. Not thrilled about it, but I'd rather have to work then have no job, so yeah, I'll do it. No point grumbling about it.

do you get compensation as in double pay, or another day off the week after?

She said she's working Friday, which is not a holiday unless something has changed.

[CountDeMoney]

None as a company-wide holiday. However, I will be working unofficially on Saturday and Sunday to catch back up.

You should work on your time management skills.  Get a day planner or something.

I'm not complaining though. It's part of my job.

Yes, the benefits of being a salaried exempt employee, not constrained by a 40 hour work week when 50 hours will suffice.
So what's your beef with $8 an hour worker bees? 

Ah, nevermind.  Already been answered.

1) Internalizing the situation as a binary choice: having a job and putting up with shit vs having no job.
2) "If someone has to put up with it, everyone should have to put up with it."

[crazy canuck]

This comes back to my age of question about US politics - why do people affected by these kinds of draconian laws keep voting in the people that make them?

Don't you think "draconian" is a bit of an overstatement?

No, I really do find the laws in many of your States to be exactly that.

[derspiess]

No, I really do find the laws in many of your States to be exactly that.

Not talking about other laws.  I'm talking about the law or laws that relate to this discussion.  In what way are they draconian?

[garbon]

None as a company-wide holiday. However, I will be working unofficially on Saturday and Sunday to catch back up.

You should work on your time management skills.  Get a day planner or something.

I'm not complaining though. It's part of my job.

Yes, the benefits of being a salaried exempt employee, not constrained by a 40 hour work week when 50 hours will suffice.
So what's your beef with $8 an hour worker bees? 

Ah, nevermind.  Already been answered.

1) Internalizing the situation as a binary choice: having a job and putting up with shit vs having no job.
2) "If someone has to put up with it, everyone should have to put up with it."

All of your post was very bizarre. It was like you were having some imaginary conversation with yourself.

[merithyn]

I think this is really a bunch of fluff and stuff. Maybe it's because I've worked for hospitals for a number of years, and for the service industry that doesn't shut down because of the holidays, but if that's what the job is, then that's what the job is. I work in insurance now, and I have to be at work on Friday at 8am just like any other work day. Not thrilled about it, but I'd rather have to work then have no job, so yeah, I'll do it. No point grumbling about it.

I suppose I have my answer.

Yeah. Seems like it come down to two things, which Meri illustrates:

1) Internalizing the situation as a binary choice: having a job and putting up with shit vs having no job.
2) "If someone has to put up with it, everyone should have to put up with it."

There are industries where holidays do not mean the same thing as they do in others. The medical field is one of them. A number of service industries are others, like gas stations and convenience stores that are open 24/7/365. If you work for a store known for their huge sales on Black Friday and that are open 24/7, you can assume that you'll be working on Thanksgiving. Movie theaters are open on Christmas, so if you work for one of them, there's a good chance you'll be working on Christmas Day, too.

When it's an expectation of that industry, you're not likely to get holiday pay for working it, either. I have worked innumerable Christmases and Thanksgivings, and without getting holiday pay for it. Most of the time, they're part-time jobs, which means that there are no benefits of any kind, including paid time off and holiday pay.

And yeah, having spent 18 months without a steady paycheck, I'll deal with working a day others get off. I dislike it, and I'm working on trying to get a job that doesn't expect such things from their workers. In the meantime, I need the paycheck more than I need a day off.

[merithyn]

do you get compensation as in double pay, or another day off the week after?

No. Why would I? I get Thanksgiving off, which is more than a number of my co-workers get off.

[crazy canuck]

No, I really do find the laws in many of your States to be exactly that.

Not talking about other laws.  I'm talking about the law or laws that relate to this discussion.  In what way are they draconian?

Yes, that is exactly what I am talking about.  If you dont think that laws which allow employers to not pay people holiday pay for working on holidays is draconian then we dont have a sufficient base line from which further discussion is fruitful.  You would probably also defend the ironically named Right to Work Legislation also.

[CountDeMoney]

All of your post was very bizarre. It was like you were having some imaginary conversation with yourself.

No, we were talking about shitty Wal Mart employees and the types of hourly rate fuck overs companies enjoy employing, and you're like, "lawls, I have to sign HR paper work too, lawls smiley". 

You simply reinforced Jacob's and CC's points, along with the added delight of the usual homo self-centeredness.

[Barrister]

No, I really do find the laws in many of your States to be exactly that.

Not talking about other laws.  I'm talking about the law or laws that relate to this discussion.  In what way are they draconian?

Yes, that is exactly what I am talking.  If you dont think that laws which do not pay people for working on holidays is draconian then we dont have a sufficient base line from which further discussion is fruitful.  You would probably also defend the ironically named Right to Work Legislation also.

And he would be right to do so.   

[mongers]

Well that's the problem with having a shitty economy in the first place.

Here it can be hard to find another prole.

I would say the problem is the casino economy.  Good times or bad times, the people in the economy are consistently getting squeezed in favor of capital.

[Barrister]

All of your post was very bizarre. It was like you were having some imaginary conversation with yourself.

No, we were talking about shitty Wal Mart employees and the types of hourly rate fuck overs companies enjoy employing, and you're like, "lawls, I have to sign HR paper work too, lawls smiley". 

You simply reinforced Jacob's and CC's points, along with the added delight of the usual homo self-centeredness.

Hey seedy - you ever worked in a unionized position? 

[crazy canuck]

There are industries where holidays do not mean the same thing as they do in others. The medical field is one of them. A number of service industries are others, like gas stations and convenience stores that are open 24/7/365. If you work for a store known for their huge sales on Black Friday and that are open 24/7, you can assume that you'll be working on Thanksgiving. Movie theaters are open on Christmas, so if you work for one of them, there's a good chance you'll be working on Christmas Day, too.

In a civilized society with proper labour laws all these employees can expect to be compensated with proper pay for working on those statutory holidays.  The fact that you would defend the practice of not paying them on the basis that it is some kind of norm does, as I said, answer my question.

[crazy canuck]

No, I really do find the laws in many of your States to be exactly that.

Not talking about other laws.  I'm talking about the law or laws that relate to this discussion.  In what way are they draconian?

Yes, that is exactly what I am talking.  If you dont think that laws which do not pay people for working on holidays is draconian then we dont have a sufficient base line from which further discussion is fruitful.  You would probably also defend the ironically named Right to Work Legislation also.

And he would be right to do so.   

Right but not correct.