Would you let a US State cecede?

[Razgovory]

It's a silly hypothetical anyway,

Dude, remind me where we are again?   We discussed warp drives, colonization of distant planets, who would win, etc, etc.

Well, you are in Quebec.  So I guess this kind of thing is more realistic.  If we are going to do this, we should do it with musket, saber, and cannon.  I'd love to don the blue and drive the rebel blackguard from the field SQUEE!

[Valmy]

but who would determine if those rights were abused?

Well that is the real trick isn't it?  That is why Jefferson filled the declaration with a long list of British abuses to convince the reader American rights had been abused and thus the secession of the American Colonies was legitimate.

[Eddie Teach]

It's a silly hypothetical anyway,

Dude, remind me where we are again?   We discussed warp drives, colonization of distant planets, who would win, etc, etc.

I'm just sayin', it's not gonna happen.

[katmai]

If we can get all the mormons to move to Utah then sure.

[crazy canuck]

No Viper, I wouldnt let Quebec Cecede. 

[Eddie Teach]

No Viper, I wouldnt let Quebec Cecede.

Just like a Canadian to talk about Quebec in a thread about US states. 

[Zanza]

Can't really talk about the US, but living in a federal state myself, I would let a state secede if there is a clear democratic mandate from the population of that state to do so.

[crazy canuck]

No Viper, I wouldnt let Quebec Cecede.

Just like a Canadian to talk about Quebec in a thread about US states. 

Just like an American not to understand the true intent of the question asked in the OP.

[crazy canuck]

Can't really talk about the US, but living in a federal state myself, I would let a state secede if there is a clear democratic mandate from the population of that state to do so.

See now there is the answer Viper was looking for

[Grey Fox]

No Viper, I wouldnt let Quebec Cecede.

Why not, 7 billion a year save!

[crazy canuck]

No Viper, I wouldnt let Quebec Cecede.

Why not, 7 billion a year save!

And miss out on Viper whining every time our Queen or her family visit Canada - priceless!

[Valmy]

Can't really talk about the US, but living in a federal state myself, I would let a state secede if there is a clear democratic mandate from the population of that state to do so.

I don't think destruction of a country, along with the severe economic and social disruption that goes with that, should be handled like it was any ordinary political matter.  Surely you see there are things even a democratic mandate cannot legitimize.

[Barrister]

Can't really talk about the US, but living in a federal state myself, I would let a state secede if there is a clear democratic mandate from the population of that state to do so.

I don't think destruction of a country, along with the severe economic and social disruption that goes with that, should be handled like it was any ordinary political matter.  Surely you see there are things even a democratic mandate cannot legitimize.

I know you folks had a rather painful experience with secession, but it can be done in a peaceful and orderly manner.

If Texas wanted to secede it would hardly "destroy" the remaining union.  Life would go on.

The right to self-determination is well established, and is one that the US has recognized and asserted for other countries.  What makes the US so special that it is uniquely indivisible?

[garbon]

What makes the US so special that it is uniquely indivisible?

Our Pledge of Allegiance.

[Valmy]

If Texas wanted to secede it would hardly "destroy" the remaining union.  Life would go on.

The right to self-determination is well established, and is one that the US has recognized and asserted for other countries.  What makes the US so special that it is uniquely indivisible?

I don't believe in group rights and I think our recognition of that has only been a justification for murder and ethnic cleansing.  Self determination has meant you need to murder (or breed) your way to 51% to crazy nationalists all over the world.

The US is only indivisible to the extent it respects the rights of its citizens and protects them, as per the Constitution.

And if Texas is seceding it would spell the end of the US.  First of all we are part of region of likeminded states, if we are at that point we would not be anywhere near the first state to bolt.  Secondly once we do that every single time a State would feel screwed in an election or a decision a secession movement would start, either in earnest or to intimidate the majority into relenting on the point.  A Federal Democracy cannot function like that.

I know you folks had a rather painful experience with secession, but it can be done in a peaceful and orderly manner.

Yeah the history of secession is just full of peace and order.