Would you let a US State cecede?

[ulmont]

Only if I keep United States citizenship and additionally become a citizen of Jesusland.

[Neil]

Well, theoretically it's possible.  After all, the US stood gleefully by while civilization was retarded by the destruction of the European Empires, and even helped to damage the well-being of all humanity.  That said, it's a terrible idea and should be resisted at all costs.  Governments should always grow larger, never smaller.

[Razgovory]

Except that in the real world states or regions don't bolt just because they lost an election.  A minority may sqwack about independence, but it doesn't go anywhere.  In order to get sufficient support for secession you need a fairly substantial grievance.

Yet this is precisely what happened in the US.  The South didn't get what it wanted in an election and decided to take it's ball and leave.

[Razgovory]

Yeah the history of secession is just full of peace and order. 

It tends to happen after a long list of abuse...

Like having words in their language the same size as words in your language!

[Eddie Teach]

Yet this is precisely what happened in the US.  The South didn't get what it wanted in an election and decided to take it's ball and leave.

The South saw that they'd never get what they wanted in elections because they weren't having the same one and the North was bigger.

[Viking]

What makes the US so special that it is uniquely indivisible?

Our Pledge of Allegiance.

They can change that.. they added under god to it in the 1950's, I'm sure they can take out indivisibility in the 2010's.


BTW, lawtalkers, what is the state of the accession treaty? Did Rebellion void it? Did Reconstruction and the 14th amendment cancel it?

[Valmy]

The South saw that they'd never get what they wanted in elections because they weren't having the same one and the North was bigger.

Unfortunately what they wanted was to have their rights to their slaves secured.  That sorta kills whatever whines they might have over being a minority.

[Razgovory]

Yet this is precisely what happened in the US.  The South didn't get what it wanted in an election and decided to take it's ball and leave.

The South saw that they'd never get what they wanted in elections because they weren't having the same one and the North was bigger.

They had gotten what they wanted.  The South was the dominate force in the US up until 1860.  The system was set up to favor them.  As the North grew and industrialized, the South stagnated.  Because of this, power shifted and the Southern elites couldn't tolerate not being in charge.

[dps]

If we can get all the mormons to move to Utah then sure.

Wouldn't Utah be a little on the small size ? 

Just a little bit smaller than Great Britian. 

[crazy canuck]

If we can get all the mormons to move to Utah then sure.

Wouldn't Utah be a little on the small size ? 

Just a little bit smaller than Great Britian.

So pretty damn small

[PDH]

If we give 'em all 6 feet by 6 feet there is plenty of left over room.

[jimmy olsen]

Down with treason!

[viper37]

Well, theoretically it's possible.  After all, the US stood gleefully by while civilization was retarded by the destruction of the European Empires, and even helped to damage the well-being of all humanity.  That said, it's a terrible idea and should be resisted at all costs.  Governments should always grow larger, never smaller.

Big is beautiful?

[viper37]

Like having words in their language the same size as words in your language!

Ask the British Columbians.  They now feel threatened by Chinese signs.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Down with treason!

given that your entire country is built on treason I'd be careful with what you wish for. :-)