Best President you never had

[Razgovory]

Hubert Humphrey.

Two big republican names not yet mentioned: Seward and Dole.
EDIT: and Wendell Willkie.

I was thinking Seward, but went with Hamlin as it would mean that Johnson wouldn't be president.

[Tonitrus]

H. Ross Perot

[PDH]

George S. Patton

[Razgovory]

George S. Patton

I shudder to think of the losses incurred to pass the National highways act.

[Ed Anger]

Sherman

[crazy canuck]

Preston Manning.

I think that is true.  But at the time he had a real shot at power he had too many MPs who were complete wack jobs and so while he was a compelling leader his cabinet would have been pretty scary.

Disagree.

Now in '93 Reform would have been a disaster as a government.  Even in '97.

But when the Canadian Alliance was formed, Manning ran for leader.  He was defeated by Stockwell Day (who to my eternal shame I supported over Manning).  Day of course did disastrously as leader, but by 2000 many of the wingnuts were gone and there would have been a strong cabinet in a Manning-led government.

Another interesting historical "what if" would have been Robert Stanfield.  While I think he'd have been an improvement over Trudeau, I suspect his government would have been fairly ineffective, and thus not the "best PM we never had".

You will recall I said when he had a real shot at power. By 2000 his time was over - hell even you didnt support him anymore.  His time was in the 90s and during that time the Reform party was full of nutbars.

Stanfield seems to have been a nice amicable guy - exactly what the country did not need at that time.

[Barrister]

Preston Manning.

I think that is true.  But at the time he had a real shot at power he had too many MPs who were complete wack jobs and so while he was a compelling leader his cabinet would have been pretty scary.

Disagree.

Now in '93 Reform would have been a disaster as a government.  Even in '97.

But when the Canadian Alliance was formed, Manning ran for leader.  He was defeated by Stockwell Day (who to my eternal shame I supported over Manning).  Day of course did disastrously as leader, but by 2000 many of the wingnuts were gone and there would have been a strong cabinet in a Manning-led government.

Another interesting historical "what if" would have been Robert Stanfield.  While I think he'd have been an improvement over Trudeau, I suspect his government would have been fairly ineffective, and thus not the "best PM we never had".

You will recall I said when he had a real shot at power. By 2000 his time was over - hell even you didnt support him anymore.  His time was in the 90s and during that time the Reform party was full of nutbars.

Stanfield seems to have been a nice amicable guy - exactly what the country did not need at that time.

That was my own personal failing.  And I didn't even get 30 peices of silver.

But Manning didn't lose that leadership race by that much.  It's quite possible to imagine him winning the leadership race and then doing far, far better than Day did in the following election.

[crazy canuck]

That was my own personal failing.  And I didn't even get 30 peices of silver.

But Manning didn't lose that leadership race by that much.  It's quite possible to imagine him winning the leadership race and then doing far, far better than Day did in the following election.

On the bright side I now have someone to blame for Day's leadership win.  Before I could just wonder at who might have supported him.

[Barrister]

That was my own personal failing.  And I didn't even get 30 peices of silver.

But Manning didn't lose that leadership race by that much.  It's quite possible to imagine him winning the leadership race and then doing far, far better than Day did in the following election.

On the bright side I now have someone to blame for Day's leadership win.  Before I could just wonder at who might have supported him.

If you want to get technical I voted for Diane Ablonczy.

[Ed Anger]

God, Canadians. 

[Kleves]

Petraeus. 

[Barrister]

God, Canadians. 

It must hurt you so, knowing that our dollar is worth more, our politics less corrupt, and our women more attractive. 

[Ed Anger]

Yes, very hurt. I may shoot myself because of it.

[Barrister]

Yes, very hurt. I may shoot myself because of it.

There, there.

You have a very fine little country as well.  No country can be #1 all of the time.  Just enjoy the slide into mediocrity.

[Ed Anger]

I don't even know what you are babbling about. I didn't even shout USA!

Canadians.