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Started by CountDeMoney, November 08, 2012, 04:57:03 PM

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MadImmortalMan

She was the protege of Madeline Albright, I think.
"Stability is destabilizing." --Hyman Minsky

"Complacency can be a self-denying prophecy."
"We have nothing to fear but lack of fear itself." --Larry Summers

Ed Anger

Angry black woman on CNN was hilarious with her Meri-like frothing on the old boys network. :lol:
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on December 13, 2012, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: Kleves on December 13, 2012, 04:43:53 PM
Did Rice have anything to recommend her aside from being an Obama crony?

She's a two-fer.  Plus she had the valuable "well Obama seems to like her so she must be perfect" endorsement from Languish Dems.

Well Obama seems to like her so she must be in favor of flooding the world with millions of Drones.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Jacob

Quote:punk:

From what I read, what likely did her in was the growing opposition in Democrat circles (supposedly Hillary herself preferred Lurch).

Savour your victories :cheers:

merithyn

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 13, 2012, 04:59:23 PM
Angry black woman on CNN was hilarious with her Meri-like frothing on the old boys network. :lol:

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:P
Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

Valmy

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 13, 2012, 04:59:23 PM
Angry black woman on CNN was hilarious with her Meri-like frothing on the old boys network. :lol:

Who is the old boys network in this scenario?  It looks like the system of patronage and hierarchy was behind her here but her boss' political opponents took her down.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Ed Anger

Quote from: Valmy on December 13, 2012, 05:11:56 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 13, 2012, 04:59:23 PM
Angry black woman on CNN was hilarious with her Meri-like frothing on the old boys network. :lol:

Who is the old boys network in this scenario?  It looks like the system of patronage and hierarchy was behind her here but her boss' political opponents took her down.

The boys on the board.
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

Razgovory

Quote from: derspiess on December 13, 2012, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: Kleves on December 13, 2012, 04:43:53 PM
Did Rice have anything to recommend her aside from being an Obama crony?

She's a two-fer.  Plus she had the valuable "well Obama seems to like her so she must be perfect" endorsement from Languish Dems.

Who said that?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Sheilbh

Quote from: merithyn on December 13, 2012, 04:11:17 PM
I always wonder, when these things are "leaked", if the president doesn't call them up and say, "Look. This isn't going as planned. I can find something else for you, but I need you to bow out on this thing. Okay? And we'll make your letter public so that way it doesn't look like I screwed up picking you in the first place. Got it?"

:tinfoil:
I don't think that's tinhat, that's just politics.  I imagine that's exactly what happened.

QuoteDid Rice have anything to recommend her aside from being an Obama crony?
A not insignificant advantage as Secretary of State.  The most important asset they have is how close to the President they're perceived to be - without they're an empty suit not taken seriously, especially if NSAs or Secretaries of Defence are seen as closer and also flying around.

She had significant experience as a diplomat.  Personally I liked her moral sense from when she worked in the Clinton Administration during Rwanda.  She felt very much that the US and herself had failed.  I like her directness - anyone who gives Richard Holbrooke the finger during a meeting deserves consideration in my view - especially with the Russians and Chinese over Syria sanctions.  In addition I think the UN's a good place to become jaded, which helps before becoming SoS.

As far as I can see the biggest critique was that she was an undiplomatic diplomat.  In my view as long as that's deliberate it can be an advantage.

But personally I'd rather see Kerry in the job and, say, Hagel as Secretary of Defence.
Let's bomb Russia!

Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

DGuller

I don't know, maybe Republican propaganda from 2004 got to me, but Kerry doesn't strike me as much of, well, anything.

Razgovory

Quote from: DGuller on December 13, 2012, 08:04:29 PM
I don't know, maybe Republican propaganda from 2004 got to me, but Kerry doesn't strike me as much of, well, anything.

Guy is a loser.

If only they could get John Danforth. :wub:
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

derspiess

Quote from: DGuller on December 13, 2012, 08:04:29 PM
I don't know, maybe Republican propaganda from 2004 got to me, but Kerry doesn't strike me as much of, well, anything.

He was dead right about Assad being a reformer, wasn't he?  :lol:

But anyway I'm okay with him as SoS, knowing there could be worse.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

derspiess

Quote from: Jacob on December 13, 2012, 05:00:09 PM
Quote:punk:

From what I read, what likely did her in was the growing opposition in Democrat circles (supposedly Hillary herself preferred Lurch).

Savour your victories :cheers:

So few of them I have to savor them.  Like that last slice of pie.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

sbr

Quote from: derspiess on December 13, 2012, 10:22:06 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 13, 2012, 05:00:09 PM
Quote:punk:

From what I read, what likely did her in was the growing opposition in Democrat circles (supposedly Hillary herself preferred Lurch).

Savour your victories :cheers:

So few of them I have to savor them.  Like that last slice of pie.

Did you have a problem with Rice, outside of being an "Obama crony", 4 months ago or is this all still about Benghazi?