Texas Schools Are Forcing Kids To Wear RFID Chips. Is That a Privacy Invasion?

[The Minsky Moment]

Actually focusing specifically on the criminal law, the situation is almost exactly the opposite from what Martinus thinks in the colonial and early independence period.  Criminal law was usually codified and there were a lot of it - because the colonies and early state regimes had a penchant for moral legislation and regulation of vice.  Compared to England, the American colonies and states were quicker to adopt public enforcement of criminal law, although effectiveness varied across space and time.   Punishments tended to be measurably less severe than in the English system, and as Viking correctly notes, reform movements had strong support in early America.

[dps]

Actually focusing specifically on the criminal law, the situation is almost exactly the opposite from what Martinus thinks in the colonial and early independence period.  Criminal law was usually codified and there were a lot of it - because the colonies and early state regimes had a penchant for moral legislation and regulation of vice.  Compared to England, the American colonies and states were quicker to adopt public enforcement of criminal law, although effectiveness varied across space and time.   Punishments tended to be measurably less severe than in the English system, and as Viking correctly notes, reform movements had strong support in early America.

Yeah, for example poaching was still a capital offense until 1850 or so in Britian.

[Razgovory]

It still kind of bothers me that Marty is lawyer and doesn't actually know much about law.  It'd be like if Viking was under the impression that undersea oil drilling was done primarily with shovels, picks and dynamite.

[CountDeMoney]

Actually focusing specifically on the criminal law, the situation is almost exactly the opposite from what Martinus thinks in the colonial and early independence period.  Criminal law was usually codified and there were a lot of it - because the colonies and early state regimes had a penchant for moral legislation and regulation of vice.  Compared to England, the American colonies and states were quicker to adopt public enforcement of criminal law, although effectiveness varied across space and time.   Punishments tended to be measurably less severe than in the English system, and as Viking correctly notes, reform movements had strong support in early America.

Can't explain the foundation of American collective empiricism to many Euros, Yanksky.  It's an alien concept to them.

[Iormlund]

Is this worse than being required to carry ID at all time, unlike civilised parts of the world?

Definitely. You use a regular ID to vote, pay with a credit card, act as a witness in a courthouse and such. You might even be asked to identify yourself by a police officer (I've never been).

But it cannot be tracked. It can't be used to build a profile.

[Zanza]

Well, we rarely talk about EU M&A or antitrust law or whatever he works on, so for all we know, he could be an expert in his field of expertise. American criminal law does not seem to be his field of expertise though.

[Barrister]

Well, we rarely talk about EU M&A or antitrust law or whatever he works on, so for all we know, he could be an expert in his field of expertise. American criminal law does not seem to be his field of expertise though.

This.  I have no trouble imagining he knows a lot about EU antitrust law - but he feels free to opine on a lot of subjects well outside his field of expertise.

[MadImmortalMan]

Honestly, how soon before the kids figure out how to disable the chips anyway...

[garbon]

Honestly, how soon before the kids figure out how to disable the chips anyway...

Yep, I already brought that up.

[CountDeMoney]

Honestly, how soon before the kids figure out how to disable the chips anyway...

You kill the entire card that way.  If it's being used for other purposes like access control, meals, vending, etc., whole thing's busted.

$75 replacement card fee, billed to your parents.

[garbon]

Honestly, how soon before the kids figure out how to disable the chips anyway...

You kill the entire card that way.  If it's being used for other purposes like access control, meals, vending, etc., whole thing's busted.

$75 replacement card fee, billed to your parents.

And I already spoke to that to. I'm finding it hard to believe that there would be absolutely no mercy for someone who lost their cord and our accidentally damaged theirs - things that would be likely to happen with children.

[CountDeMoney]

And I already spoke to that to. I'm finding it hard to believe that there would be absolutely no mercy for someone who lost their cord and our accidentally damaged theirs - things that would be likely to happen with children.

Fine, we can do it the Harvard University way:  first lost badge in a year is free, 2nd replacement badge in a calendar year is $20, and each subsequent one after that is more, more, and more.

[garbon]

And I already spoke to that to. I'm finding it hard to believe that there would be absolutely no mercy for someone who lost their cord and our accidentally damaged theirs - things that would be likely to happen with children.

Fine, we can do it the Harvard University way:  first lost badge in a year is free, 2nd replacement badge in a calendar year is $20, and each subsequent one after that is more, more, and more.

Except this are not college students. They haven't even managed the level of (im)maturity of your Havard undergrad.

Besides the fact that lost can also cover left at home, left on bus, left in locker, etc.  I had non-chipped ID badges during my last years of high school and they were a joke as you could always find someone to take pity on you.

Actually pretty similar in college too with the same pity story.

[Viking]

Exactly what risk are you taking here then?

Of being in the general vicinity when the awesome power of celestrial wrath is visited upon you as divine vengeance for your notorious blasphemy.

Yes, but that would be from a god we are equally sure does not exist. I am not a christian and neither are you. I deny the holy spirit, so do you. When it comes to Gods who send people to hell we are equally Atheist , though technically I am less of one since I do not go that one step further and assert that some other Religion is true.

[Martinus]

Well, we rarely talk about EU M&A or antitrust law or whatever he works on, so for all we know, he could be an expert in his field of expertise. American criminal law does not seem to be his field of expertise though.

This.  I have no trouble imagining he knows a lot about EU antitrust law - but he feels free to opine on a lot of subjects well outside his field of expertise.

Well, I do not claim my opinion on these topics is better because I'm a lawyer - so not sure why this is being constantly used against me.