State Department: No secret plan to invade Canada

Started by garbon, September 19, 2012, 04:31:08 PM

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Quote from: dps on September 20, 2012, 03:00:02 PM
Right, there was only one War Plan Orange at any given time, but the point I was trying to make you have to be careful about saying that War Plan Orange called for X, because War Plan Orange may have indeed called for X in 1925, but not in 1935.
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Quote from: garbon on September 20, 2012, 03:23:13 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 20, 2012, 03:02:35 PM
Anyway, if the Yanks do invade, we'd just launch batteries of Timbits at them and soon they'd be too fat to move.

I don't think we'd be that excited about Canadian donut holes. :x (At first, I was like wtf is a Timbit / Tim is an American :D)


They made good, easy snacks while driving long, empty stretches of the Yukon and British Columbia.  :ph34r:

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Quote from: garbon on September 20, 2012, 03:23:13 PM
I don't think we'd be that excited about Canadian donut holes. :x )

You do not understand the insidious nature of the Timbit.

Alone, they are as you say nothing special. What makes them dangerous to the wasteline is that the are perfectly developed to be cheap, sugary, plentiful, and easy to eat while driving a car.

Canada, being a large country, has lots of long drives ...  :ph34r:

Quote(At first, I was like wtf is a Timbit / Tim is an American :D

To add insult to injury, the snack (like the chain) was named after hockey legend Tim Horton ... who died in a fiery car crash. That makes "Timbits", the car snack food, a trifle ... ghoulish.  :ph34r:

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Quote from: Malthus on September 21, 2012, 10:08:59 AM
Quote from: garbon on September 20, 2012, 03:23:13 PM
I don't think we'd be that excited about Canadian donut holes. :x )

You do not understand the insidious nature of the Timbit.

Alone, they are as you say nothing special. What makes them dangerous to the wasteline is that the are perfectly developed to be cheap, sugary, plentiful, and easy to eat while driving a car.

Canada, being a large country, has lots of long drives ...  :ph34r:

Gotcha. Long drives - never heard of such a thing. :P

Quote from: Malthus on September 21, 2012, 10:08:59 AM
Quote(At first, I was like wtf is a Timbit / Tim is an American :D

To add insult to injury, the snack (like the chain) was named after hockey legend Tim Horton ... who died in a fiery car crash. That makes "Timbits", the car snack food, a trifle ... ghoulish.  :ph34r:

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Quote from: Malthus on September 20, 2012, 03:02:35 PM
Anyway, if the Yanks do invade, we'd just launch batteries of Timbits at them and soon they'd be too fat to move.

Then we would unleash the Celine Dion music.  :ph34r:

Soon?

Their lard asses are probably the only thing preventing an invasion of our land of plenty.

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Reading up on War Plan: Red, it seems there was a Canadian counterpart - Defence Scheme No. 1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_Scheme_No._1

Apparently the Canadian plan was for a surprise counter-attack, seizing Seattle, Fargo, Albany adn Maine in the early days, then slowly retreating, thus buying time for the inevitable British re-inforcements. :frusty:
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The Timbits as a distraction won't work. Toss Cinnabons instead.
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Barrister

Quote from: Jacob on September 21, 2012, 05:40:22 PM
Why the :frusty: BB?

They never co-ordinated with the Brits, who figured that Canada was indefensible and weren't going to send re-inforcements.  Plus the general ludicrousness of the plan - sure just go ahead and seize Seattle, Albany and the like.  I'm sure that'll pose no problem whatsoever.
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Quote from: Barrister on September 21, 2012, 11:49:35 AM
Reading up on War Plan: Red, it seems there was a Canadian counterpart - Defence Scheme No. 1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_Scheme_No._1

Apparently the Canadian plan was for a surprise counter-attack, seizing Seattle, Fargo, Albany adn Maine in the early days, then slowly retreating, thus buying time for the inevitable British re-inforcements. :frusty:

Well, that was one Canadian's plan, anyway.  It was never, as far as I can tell, actually adopted, nor were the forces it called for ever created.

In that sense, it was a lot like the claims for "War Plan Red."  The post-1930 elements of WPR appear to be just staff exercises in generic war planning, without any funding or resources.

It all makes for some fun poking about, like the WaPo article the gullible Wikipedia authors appear to take quite seriously.

Now, if you go back to the early 1920s, you will see some serious US planning for war against Great Britain 9and, presumably, Canada).  That was all driven by a small but very influential clique in the US navy, who were convinced that the US would clash with a declining British Empire, and who were responsible for the absurd US Navy building plans ("A Navy Second to None") in the post-WW1 era.  I've never found any evidence that the US Army suffered from this delusion, and in fact am convinced that the influence wielded by the Anglophobes in the US Navy was tolerated mostly because it allowed the Navy to justify a building program they could justify in no other way.

I haven't seen anything authoritative on US plans for that period.  It is possible that US staff training was not yet up to the task of drafting such a thing.  The mobilization planning for these War Plans was pretty daunting.
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