Reuters: US ambassador to Libya dead

[Duque de Bragança]

French decide on solidarity with America, elect to get bombed too.

France shutters embassies, schools over new Muhammad cartoon
By NBC News' Nancy Ing and wire reports

Salafist Muslims in Paris has already called for a protest this Saturday at Trocadero, near the Eiffel Tower, against the California-made film.

A small group of about 100 were prevented by riot police from approaching the US Embassy in the center of Paris last Saturday.

French authorities have refused to authorize any demonstration.

French Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said the authorities had rejected a request to hold a march.

"There is no reason for us to allow conflicts that do not concern France to enter our country,'' Ayrault told RTL radio.

I was in Paris during that weekend
Actually, that demonstration approaching the US embassy near the Champs-Elysées and the Élysée palace, was more like 250 people from which 2/3 got arrested (very high ratio!) for ID checking then fined. Four cops were slightly injured as well.

[Viking]

No one becomes Muslim who doesn't reject Western culture.

I find that hard to believe.

All you need to disprove that is showing one westerner that converts and doesn't adopt the trappings of arab or muslim culture.

[garbon]

No one becomes Muslim who doesn't reject Western culture.

I find that hard to believe.

All you need to disprove that is showing one westerner that converts and doesn't adopt the trappings of arab or muslim culture.

I'll make that a priority.

[garbon]

Actually, I forgot how wikipedia likes to list things: Muhammad Ali, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Dave Chappelle are pretty Western, no?

[Solmyr]

They aren't real Muslims.

[Viking]

They aren't real Muslims.

You can make that case for Muhammed Ali and Abdul Jabbar since arguably Nation of Islam is to Islam what Mormonism is to christianity. But, Dave Chapelle is the real thing. In keeping his religion personal and private he exemplifies the ideal of the western religious person. Q.E.D. The Brain is wrong and garbon is right.

[Valmy]

I think Ali became an orthodox Sunni didn't he?

[Admiral Yi]

Dave Chappelle is Muslim? 

Is ganja halal?

[Ed Anger]

Dave Chappelle is Muslim? 

Is ganja halal?

Allegedly. You can find him roaming the county I live in.

[Viking]

I think Ali became an orthodox Sunni didn't he?

I think they both went orthodox eventually on paper. That still doesn't change the fact that they got in through a political organization. The NOI just muddles the who issue making it less clear cut than Chapelle.

[Razgovory]

Actually, I forgot how wikipedia likes to list things: Muhammad Ali, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Dave Chappelle are pretty Western, no?

Cat Stevens jumps to mind as well.

[Solmyr]

They aren't real Muslims.

You can make that case for Muhammed Ali and Abdul Jabbar since arguably Nation of Islam is to Islam what Mormonism is to christianity. But, Dave Chapelle is the real thing. In keeping his religion personal and private he exemplifies the ideal of the western religious person. Q.E.D. The Brain is wrong and garbon is right.

Isn't keeping it personal and private pretty much impossible in Islam? It is such a pervasive force in all aspects of private and public life, it's as much a political ideology as a religion. It pretty much started politically, in contrast to Christianity which only acquired political aspects later on.

[Viking]

Actually, I forgot how wikipedia likes to list things: Muhammad Ali, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Dave Chappelle are pretty Western, no?

Cat Stevens jumps to mind as well.

You don't count as westernized when you look more like Osama Bin Laden than you do like Frank Zappa and you call for the death of Salman Rushdie.

[Viking]

They aren't real Muslims.

You can make that case for Muhammed Ali and Abdul Jabbar since arguably Nation of Islam is to Islam what Mormonism is to christianity. But, Dave Chapelle is the real thing. In keeping his religion personal and private he exemplifies the ideal of the western religious person. Q.E.D. The Brain is wrong and garbon is right.

Isn't keeping it personal and private pretty much impossible in Islam? It is such a pervasive force in all aspects of private and public life, it's as much a political ideology as a religion. It pretty much started politically, in contrast to Christianity which only acquired political aspects later on.

I think Chapelle proves you can keep it personal and private. Naturally this requires quite a bit more theological acrobatics than killing westerners, but still it is possible and that was garbon's claim. There are lots of cultural muslims that manage to westernize.

[Eddie Teach]

Islam isn't a rejection of Western black culture. I think you need to look again.