Active Shooter Event Near Texas A&M

[Razgovory]

Yeah, most people aren't combat specialists.   They aren't used to loading a weapon in a combat situation.  A crazy guy with a pistol isn't going to be able to reliably reload as fast as a seasoned soldier.

No one said anything about combat specialists or reloading as fast as a seasoned soldier.

I was under the impression you were in the military.  Many of these crazy shooter guys were not.  i.e. what you are used to and find easy may not be easy for some loony.

[MadBurgerMaker]

I was under the impression you were in the military.  Many of these crazy shooter guys were not.  i.e. what you are used to and find easy may not be easy for some loony.

Shit man, I'm not Siege.  I was in the Navy.  The only reason I even got to play with a handgun every once in a while was because we were to be issued the things in case our airplane got shot down.  Most people in the Navy don't even get that much, because there's not really a reason for it.  I've gotten more experience with one after I left than I ever did while I was in.

E:  Basically, they trained us enough with them so that they could be reasonably sure we wouldn't shoot ourselves with them.    I'm exaggerating a bit, but not by a whole lot.  There was none of that crazy speedloading stuff you can see on Youtube.  The range guy would probably shoot you if you tried some of that shit.

[Valmy]

Well what about my suggestion - limit magazine size to 5-6 bullets for hand guns.  Make possession of a larger size illegal, but with a lengthy grace period and refund/voucher when you turn in an over-size magazine.  Hard to go on a shooting rampage if you need to constantly reload - but it still gives you the firepower you need in self-defence.

And while the Sikh Temple was hand guns, lots of other ASEs are from semi-automatic rifles.

Vastly more people are killed by knives every year in the US than by all non-handgun classes of fire arms combined.  I am just questioning the strategy of engaging in what would almost certainly be a long, expensive, and sure to fail political effort that in the end will not have that big of an impact on saving lives.  Besides gun violence has been declining for years.

[Martinus]

Well what about my suggestion - limit magazine size to 5-6 bullets for hand guns.  Make possession of a larger size illegal, but with a lengthy grace period and refund/voucher when you turn in an over-size magazine.  Hard to go on a shooting rampage if you need to constantly reload - but it still gives you the firepower you need in self-defence.

And while the Sikh Temple was hand guns, lots of other ASEs are from semi-automatic rifles.

Vastly more people are killed by knives every year in the US than by all non-handgun classes of fire arms combined.  I am just questioning the strategy of engaging in what would almost certainly be a long, expensive, and sure to fail political effort that in the end will not have that big of an impact on saving lives.

The problem with that argument is that it ignores the fact that while there are non-murderous legitimate purposes for using a knife, there aren't any for non-handgun firearms.

More people die each year in car crashes than from heroin overdose - but that's not a really sensible argument why heroin should be legal.

[garbon]

Well what about my suggestion - limit magazine size to 5-6 bullets for hand guns.  Make possession of a larger size illegal, but with a lengthy grace period and refund/voucher when you turn in an over-size magazine.  Hard to go on a shooting rampage if you need to constantly reload - but it still gives you the firepower you need in self-defence.

And while the Sikh Temple was hand guns, lots of other ASEs are from semi-automatic rifles.

Vastly more people are killed by knives every year in the US than by all non-handgun classes of fire arms combined.  I am just questioning the strategy of engaging in what would almost certainly be a long, expensive, and sure to fail political effort that in the end will not have that big of an impact on saving lives.

The problem with that argument is that it ignores the fact that while there are non-murderous legitimate purposes for using a knife, there aren't any for non-handgun firearms.

More people die each year in car crashes than from heroin overdose - but that's not a really sensible argument why heroin should be legal.

Is hunting murder?

[Martinus]

Well what about my suggestion - limit magazine size to 5-6 bullets for hand guns.  Make possession of a larger size illegal, but with a lengthy grace period and refund/voucher when you turn in an over-size magazine.  Hard to go on a shooting rampage if you need to constantly reload - but it still gives you the firepower you need in self-defence.

And while the Sikh Temple was hand guns, lots of other ASEs are from semi-automatic rifles.

Vastly more people are killed by knives every year in the US than by all non-handgun classes of fire arms combined.  I am just questioning the strategy of engaging in what would almost certainly be a long, expensive, and sure to fail political effort that in the end will not have that big of an impact on saving lives.

The problem with that argument is that it ignores the fact that while there are non-murderous legitimate purposes for using a knife, there aren't any for non-handgun firearms.

More people die each year in car crashes than from heroin overdose - but that's not a really sensible argument why heroin should be legal.

Is hunting murder?

It's like masturbating at cartoon child porn.

On one hand, it is not strictly speaking an evil activity, but the people who engage in it should be watched quite closely.

[Barrister]

Well what about my suggestion - limit magazine size to 5-6 bullets for hand guns.  Make possession of a larger size illegal, but with a lengthy grace period and refund/voucher when you turn in an over-size magazine.  Hard to go on a shooting rampage if you need to constantly reload - but it still gives you the firepower you need in self-defence.

And while the Sikh Temple was hand guns, lots of other ASEs are from semi-automatic rifles.

Vastly more people are killed by knives every year in the US than by all non-handgun classes of fire arms combined.  I am just questioning the strategy of engaging in what would almost certainly be a long, expensive, and sure to fail political effort that in the end will not have that big of an impact on saving lives.

The problem with that argument is that it ignores the fact that while there are non-murderous legitimate purposes for using a knife, there aren't any for non-handgun firearms.

More people die each year in car crashes than from heroin overdose - but that's not a really sensible argument why heroin should be legal.

Well, not really.  There are legitimate uses for handguns.  Lots of people (including people on this forum) like to go target shooting.  And, in the US, it's decided it's legitimate to carry one for self-defence.

So, since a handgun ban will never fly, I'm trying to think of ways you can maintain those kinds of legitimate uses, but restrict how useful handguns might be to a murderer.

[Barrister]

Well what about my suggestion - limit magazine size to 5-6 bullets for hand guns.  Make possession of a larger size illegal, but with a lengthy grace period and refund/voucher when you turn in an over-size magazine.  Hard to go on a shooting rampage if you need to constantly reload - but it still gives you the firepower you need in self-defence.

And while the Sikh Temple was hand guns, lots of other ASEs are from semi-automatic rifles.

Vastly more people are killed by knives every year in the US than by all non-handgun classes of fire arms combined.  I am just questioning the strategy of engaging in what would almost certainly be a long, expensive, and sure to fail political effort that in the end will not have that big of an impact on saving lives.

The problem with that argument is that it ignores the fact that while there are non-murderous legitimate purposes for using a knife, there aren't any for non-handgun firearms.

More people die each year in car crashes than from heroin overdose - but that's not a really sensible argument why heroin should be legal.

Is hunting murder?

Wait - did I misread Marty?

Is he saying handguns have a purpose, but not long guns?

[PDH]

Vastly more people are killed by knives every year in the US than by all non-handgun classes of fire arms combined.  I am just questioning the strategy of engaging in what would almost certainly be a long, expensive, and sure to fail political effort that in the end will not have that big of an impact on saving lives.  Besides gun violence has been declining for years.

Actually in 2004 it seems it was around 20% "other" firearms and 15% knives in the murder stats.

[Martinus]

I don't know. Am I?

[garbon]

Well what about my suggestion - limit magazine size to 5-6 bullets for hand guns.  Make possession of a larger size illegal, but with a lengthy grace period and refund/voucher when you turn in an over-size magazine.  Hard to go on a shooting rampage if you need to constantly reload - but it still gives you the firepower you need in self-defence.

And while the Sikh Temple was hand guns, lots of other ASEs are from semi-automatic rifles.

Vastly more people are killed by knives every year in the US than by all non-handgun classes of fire arms combined.  I am just questioning the strategy of engaging in what would almost certainly be a long, expensive, and sure to fail political effort that in the end will not have that big of an impact on saving lives.

The problem with that argument is that it ignores the fact that while there are non-murderous legitimate purposes for using a knife, there aren't any for non-handgun firearms.

More people die each year in car crashes than from heroin overdose - but that's not a really sensible argument why heroin should be legal.

Is hunting murder?

Wait - did I misread Marty?

Is he saying handguns have a purpose, but not long guns?

Actually at the current moment it is probably just best to ignore him. He seems to be in a tizzy.

[Eddie Teach]

It's like masturbating at cartoon child porn.

On one hand, it is not strictly speaking an evil activity, but the people who engage in it should be watched quite closely.

You like to watch people masturbate? 

[garbon]

[Valmy]

Actually in 2004 it seems it was around 20% "other" firearms and 15% knives in the murder stats.

Clearly in 2004 using a knife put you at an immediate disadvantage.

[PDH]

[Clearly in 2004 using a knife put you at an immediate disadvantage.