Active Shooter Event Near Texas A&M

[Ed Anger]

Well what about my suggestion - limit magazine size to 5-6 bullets for hand guns. 

Yeah...we usually call those "revolvers" down here.

Hay seedy:

I talked to my dad about that Colt Python. As I predicted, no way he is selling it.

[MadBurgerMaker]

Every little bit helps.

Not enough to (try to) make everything else illegal and all shit that comes with that.  Reloading a semi auto doesn't take much time at all, man.  Just push a button, the mag falls out, put a new one in, push another button/latch, and it's good to go.  It's not a revolver.

[CountDeMoney]

I talked to my dad about that Colt Python. As I predicted, no way he is selling it.

Of course not.  It's an heirloom now.

[Razgovory]

Every little bit helps.

Not enough to (try to) make everything else illegal and all shit that comes with that.  Reloading a semi auto doesn't take much time at all, man.  Just push a button, the mag falls out, put a new one in, push another button/latch, and it's good to go.  It's not a revolver.

I believe the Tuscon shooter was stopped in the midst of reloading a semi-automatic pistol.  So it's enough time for some one to run up and subdue the shooter.  I suppose that makes the difference of a guy shooting 33 bullets and a guy shooting six.

[sbr]

Every little bit helps.

Not enough to (try to) make everything else illegal and all shit that comes with that.  Reloading a semi auto doesn't take much time at all, man.  Just push a button, the mag falls out, put a new one in, push another button/latch, and it's good to go.  It's not a revolver.

I believe the Tuscon shooter was stopped in the midst of reloading a semi-automatic pistol.  So it's enough time for some one to run up and subdue the shooter.  I suppose that makes the difference of a guy shooting 33 bullets and a guy shooting six.

Why do you want to restrict peoples' FREEDOM to be shot?

[Barrister]

Every little bit helps.

Not enough to (try to) make everything else illegal and all shit that comes with that.  Reloading a semi auto doesn't take much time at all, man.  Just push a button, the mag falls out, put a new one in, push another button/latch, and it's good to go.  It's not a revolver.

I believe the Tuscon shooter was stopped in the midst of reloading a semi-automatic pistol.  So it's enough time for some one to run up and subdue the shooter.  I suppose that makes the difference of a guy shooting 33 bullets and a guy shooting six.

I believe Raz makes a valid point here.

[MadBurgerMaker]

I believe the Tuscon shooter was stopped in the midst of reloading a semi-automatic pistol.  So it's enough time for some one to run up and subdue the shooter.  I suppose that makes the difference of a guy shooting 33 bullets and a guy shooting six.

Yeah, he dropped his bigass unwieldy magazine.

The VA Tech asshole, who was using regular magazines that aren't stupid sized, reloaded several times and killed a shitload more people.  I imagine the movie theater guy reloaded several times too, although I don't know much about that.  He might have been using crazy large mags too.  If so, he apparently wasn't as clumsy as Tuscon guy.

E:  Beeb, what the Tuscon guy was using, afaik:



The thing probably caught on something in his pocket or something.

[Razgovory]

Yeah, most people aren't combat specialists.   They aren't used to loading a weapon in a combat situation.  A crazy guy with a pistol isn't going to be able to reliably reload as fast as a seasoned soldier.

[Barrister]

I believe the Tuscon shooter was stopped in the midst of reloading a semi-automatic pistol.  So it's enough time for some one to run up and subdue the shooter.  I suppose that makes the difference of a guy shooting 33 bullets and a guy shooting six.

Yeah, he dropped his bigass unwieldy magazine.

The VA Tech asshole, who was using regular magazines that aren't stupid sized, reloaded several times and killed a shitload more people.  I imagine the movie theater guy reloaded several times too, although I don't know much about that.  He might have been using crazy large mags too.  If so, he apparently wasn't as clumsy as Tuscon guy.

E:  Beeb, what the Tuscon guy was using, afaik:



The thing probably caught on something in his pocket or something.

Wasn't the Batman shooter stopped once his gun jammed and he couldn't figure out how to unjam it?

[MadBurgerMaker]

Yeah, most people aren't combat specialists.   They aren't used to loading a weapon in a combat situation.  A crazy guy with a pistol isn't going to be able to reliably reload as fast as a seasoned soldier.

No one said anything about combat specialists or reloading as fast as a seasoned soldier. 

[MadBurgerMaker]

Wasn't the Batman shooter stopped once his gun jammed and he couldn't figure out how to unjam it?

Could be.  Thank goodness for gun malfunctions.  You know, it could have been because of a feed problem with a bigass mag like that. 

E:  Hey here you go Beeb.  From Wiki:

He also fired a Smith & Wesson M&P15[11] semi-automatic rifle with a 100-round drum magazine, which malfunctioned after reportedly firing fewer than 30 rounds.

Drum magazine.  It didn't stop then though.  Says he pulled out a Glock 22 and started shooting with that.  Cops found 3 mags for it.

[Barrister]

I don't know what you're trying to say - that big magazines save lives because killers are more likely to use them and get them caught up on something?

Nobody is saying any little change will magically make sure ASEs will never happen.  BUt I like the phrase "don't let perfect be the enemy of good".  If a little change will help, then implement it.

[MadBurgerMaker]

I don't know what you're trying to say - that big magazines save lives because killers are more likely to use them and get them caught up on something?

That the magazine size doesn't matter for this stuff.  If a dude wants to kill a bunch of people, 6 round magazines aren't going to stop him at all.  They honestly probably wouldn't even slow him down much.  If you made him use a revolver and speedloaders (E: those are pretty quick too, although I've only messed around with them a couple times at the range), sure, but magazines are pretty tard proof.

But, yeah, regular magazines are probably much less prone to feed problems and are way easier to handle.  That's definitely not something to rely on though.

Nobody is saying any little change will magically make sure ASEs will never happen.  BUt I like the phrase "don't let perfect be the enemy of good".  If a little change will help, then implement it.

It's not a little change.

[sbr]

I don't know what you're trying to say - that big magazines save lives because killers are more likely to use them and get them caught up on something?

That the magazine size doesn't matter for this stuff.  If a dude wants to kill a bunch of people, 6 round magazines aren't going to stop him at all.  They honestly probably wouldn't even slow him down much.  If you made him use a revolver and speedloaders (E: those are pretty quick too, although I've only messed around with them a couple times at the range), sure, but magazines are pretty tard proof.

Although, yeah, regular magazines are probably much less prone to feed problems, that's not something to rely on.

Nobody is saying any little change will magically make sure ASEs will never happen.  BUt I like the phrase "don't let perfect be the enemy of good".  If a little change will help, then implement it.

It's not a little change.

So you don't see any value in making a mass murderer reload every 6 shots instead of every 100. 

[MadBurgerMaker]

So you don't see any value in making a mass murderer reload every 6 shots instead of every 100. 

  I'm thinking more of the one that would actually affect most everyone:  Every 10, 12, 15 shots (e: 7 too...don't forget the 1911s).  Not every 100 (that wasn't a handgun btw).   If all Beeb is saying is outlaw the McLarge Huge drum mags and shit, well that's not a big deal and might actually be something you could do...relatively...painlessly.  But he said everything over 5 or 6 rounds, which covers...well damn that covers A LOT of guns and magazines.