Europa Universalis IV announced

[garbon]

yay gimmicks?

[Valmy]

The next DLC about the trading companies will also let you build the canals at Kiel, Suez and Panama.

We are talking about Victoria II here right?  Because building one of those canals before 1800 is LOL unlikely.

[Maximus]

Suez was easily possible. Wasn't it done in ancient times?

Panama not so much. I don't know much about the construction of Kiel, but it doesn't seem that hard physically.

[crazy canuck]

The next DLC about the trading companies will also let you build the canals at Kiel, Suez and Panama.

We are talking about Victoria II here right?  Because building one of those canals before 1800 is LOL unlikely.

Suez probably wasnt built until later because there wouldnt be much point to building it until European powers could control it.

[Syt]

Suez was easily possible. Wasn't it done in ancient times?

It was a connection between the Nile and the Red Sea, IIRC, and therefore for ships and boats that could navigate the Nile. Not 19th century tall ships.

I don't mind if they do silly alt-hist expansions, like the Sunset Invasion. It's one feature that you can switch off if you like. But mixing it in with a DLC that's supposed to add detail and historicity (at least on paper)? Unless those canals are super rare, only available at highest tech level and cost, like, 50k gold.

[Solmyr]

The next DLC about the trading companies will also let you build the canals at Kiel, Suez and Panama.

We are talking about Victoria II here right?  Because building one of those canals before 1800 is LOL unlikely.

Suez probably wasnt built until later because there wouldnt be much point to building it until European powers could control it.

The Ottomans spent a lot of time and money trying to build it, I think.

[Maximus]

The Ottomans spent a lot of time and money trying to build it, I think.

Also the Don-Volga canal (which exists in 867 in CK2 iirc)

[crazy canuck]

The Ottomans spent a lot of time and money trying to build it, I think.

I didnt know that.  When did they give it a go?

[Solmyr]

The Ottomans spent a lot of time and money trying to build it, I think.

I didnt know that.  When did they give it a go?

Can't find it now, but I remember reading something about it as a possible project in The Ottoman Age of Exploration by Giancarlo Casale. IIRC, in the late 16th century, during the competition with the Portuguese in the Indian Ocean.

[Valmy]

Also the Don-Volga canal (which exists in 867 in CK2 iirc)

Nah that was a 'portage' as in you pick of your boats and walk to the other river.  The canal was attempted a few times but not successfully built until the Soviet era I believe.

But anyway we are not talking about connecting rivers, that was indeed done in ancient times, we are talking about the Panama, Kiel, and Suez canals.  Even if I accept the Suez could have been done there is no freaking way the Kiel or Panama canals could have been made in that era.  Panama was basically impossible without throwing many lives and fortune away even when it was built.

[Zanza]

Why would you build the Suez or Panama canal without dynamic trade routing...?

The Kiel canal was mainly a military project, but if you have enough ships to compete in EUIV, you can just take the extra few days to sail them around Denmark.

[Zanza]

By the way, the predecessor of the Kiel Canal, the Eider Canal was built in 1784, so it fits into the EU IV timeframe.

[Valmy]

By the way, the predecessor of the Kiel Canal, the Eider Canal was built in 1784, so it fits into the EU IV timeframe.

Barely.  And does the option to build one with 20 years or so to go really impact the game that much? 

[garbon]

The Ottomans spent a lot of time and money trying to build it, I think.

I didnt know that.  When did they give it a go?

Can't find it now, but I remember reading something about it as a possible project in The Ottoman Age of Exploration by Giancarlo Casale. IIRC, in the late 16th century, during the competition with the Portuguese in the Indian Ocean.

There was talk about it though I'm not sure they ever did anything as far as connection to Red Sea. It's what inspired the action in VQ.

[crazy canuck]

Why would you build the Suez or Panama canal without dynamic trade routing...?

The Kiel canal was mainly a military project, but if you have enough ships to compete in EUIV, you can just take the extra few days to sail them around Denmark.

I assume it will be a boost to trade power.  So the Suez could potentially take all trade destined for going around S. Africa.