Europa Universalis IV announced

[Anatron]

What I always hated about warfare in the EU series (as wel las CK) is how battles always last months, and then there was a retreat, and then another (typically shorter) battle, then a retreat, etc.  That's not how war worked back then.  IIRC a lot of wars were decided on a single critical battle.  That said, the fact that wars don't always have to be total now helps things quite a bit also.  Like for example in my last playthrough as Castile I declared war on Aragon because their king insulted me, and 'won' with just a concession of defeat after no provinces had been occupied by either side.  Of course, I wore my manpower down to zero though

Great victory!

The problem with the retreating armies is

1.not realistic
2.can not use tactics to win war like enclose enemy then destroy it.what is a common military tactic since Hannibal defeated Rome at Cannae.

[Liep]

Generally there's more loss I noticed. I had a pretty good general with a 15 stack army win and completely destroy an 18 stack army (though with both river and mountain terrain defense)

I don't remember seeing stacks go down so fast in 1.1.

[Viking]

Yeah, deep in my territory I defeated an Austrian army, and then they retreated all the way back to Vienna. A little while after I lost a battle in an allied's territory and retreated one province.

Yeah, I don't think I get it.

In one games an army lost a battle to the inca in lima and the army retreated all the way to la plata, through venezuela and brazil.

[Tamas]

Yeah, deep in my territory I defeated an Austrian army, and then they retreated all the way back to Vienna. A little while after I lost a battle in an allied's territory and retreated one province.

Yeah, I don't think I get it.

In one games an army lost a battle to the inca in lima and the army retreated all the way to la plata, through venezuela and brazil.

WAD

[Viking]

Yeah, deep in my territory I defeated an Austrian army, and then they retreated all the way back to Vienna. A little while after I lost a battle in an allied's territory and retreated one province.

Yeah, I don't think I get it.

In that case you need military access to the ally to be able to retreat.

There are five levels of access that are relevant here

1. Controlled provinces (occupied provinces, home provinces and vassal provinces)
2. Allied provinces (controlled provinces of allies in a war)
3. Access provinces (controlled provinces of powers you have military access in)
4. Enemy provinces (controlled provinces of power you are at war with)
5. Unsettled provinces (provinces controlled by no-one)

Now, it seems that initially shatter worked fine for 1. and 3., but not 2., 4. or 5. The patch fixed it for 4., but not 2. or 5.

[crazy canuck]

The reason why white people killed so many not whites becouse we evolved faster then others (it happened because of the constant wars in Europe,plus the plagues in the middle age.)

I know you did not do this on purpose and that it is just an issue with English not being your first language.  I am not being critical just correcting the misuse of a verb for your future reference.

The word you were looking for there was probably "developed" or something similar.  The word "evolved" is a reference to a point of view which was once held (and still sadly held in some quarters) that natives in the Americas were racially inferior.

[Zanza]

Both DLCs released today sound completely useless. USA events? I have never played a game long enough to even see the USA around. And national monuments that are only visible in the terrain map mode? Meh. Let's see how the DLCs for this game develop.

[Anatron]

The reason why white people killed so many not whites becouse we evolved faster then others (it happened because of the constant wars in Europe,plus the plagues in the middle age.)

I know you did not do this on purpose and that it is just an issue with English not being your first language.  I am not being critical just correcting the misuse of a verb for your future reference.

The word you were looking for there was probably "developed" or something similar.  The word "evolved" is a reference to a point of view which was once held (and still sadly held in some quarters) that natives in the Americas were racially inferior.

I tried to say,improved technology ,governement etc.

[garbon]

Both DLCs released today sound completely useless. USA events? I have never played a game long enough to even see the USA around. And national monuments that are only visible in the terrain map mode? Meh. Let's see how the DLCs for this game develop.

Yep, same thoughts.

[garbon]

The reason why white people killed so many not whites becouse we evolved faster then others (it happened because of the constant wars in Europe,plus the plagues in the middle age.)

I know you did not do this on purpose and that it is just an issue with English not being your first language.  I am not being critical just correcting the misuse of a verb for your future reference.

The word you were looking for there was probably "developed" or something similar.  The word "evolved" is a reference to a point of view which was once held (and still sadly held in some quarters) that natives in the Americas were racially inferior.

I tried to say,improved technology ,governement etc.

Yeah, I think he's just pointing out, that using the word evolved here could be taken by other people to be very racially offensive.

[Tamas]

The reason why white people killed so many not whites becouse we evolved faster then others (it happened because of the constant wars in Europe,plus the plagues in the middle age.)

I know you did not do this on purpose and that it is just an issue with English not being your first language.  I am not being critical just correcting the misuse of a verb for your future reference.

The word you were looking for there was probably "developed" or something similar.  The word "evolved" is a reference to a point of view which was once held (and still sadly held in some quarters) that natives in the Americas were racially inferior.

I tried to say,improved technology ,governement etc.

Yeah, I think he's just pointing out, that using the word evolved here could be taken by other people to be very racially offensive.

And as he confirmed, that was not what he meant.

[Anatron]

The reason why white people killed so many not whites becouse we evolved faster then others (it happened because of the constant wars in Europe,plus the plagues in the middle age.)

I know you did not do this on purpose and that it is just an issue with English not being your first language.  I am not being critical just correcting the misuse of a verb for your future reference.

The word you were looking for there was probably "developed" or something similar.  The word "evolved" is a reference to a point of view which was once held (and still sadly held in some quarters) that natives in the Americas were racially inferior.

I tried to say,improved technology ,governement etc.

Yeah, I think he's just pointing out, that using the word evolved here could be taken by other people to be very racially offensive.

I just put the word in my language to GIB and that what it gave . 

[Tamas]

"Funny patch. Made peace with the enemy. And vassalized them. Big mistake. The game thinks I am the overlord of the enemy now, and now I am helping my new vassal to fight...myself. (Well as a matter of fact, I am not at war with myself, but I am at war with my old alliance which isn't as bad, but still could be considered a bug.) "

Tell me it isn`t so.

[garbon]

The reason why white people killed so many not whites becouse we evolved faster then others (it happened because of the constant wars in Europe,plus the plagues in the middle age.)

I know you did not do this on purpose and that it is just an issue with English not being your first language.  I am not being critical just correcting the misuse of a verb for your future reference.

The word you were looking for there was probably "developed" or something similar.  The word "evolved" is a reference to a point of view which was once held (and still sadly held in some quarters) that natives in the Americas were racially inferior.

I tried to say,improved technology ,governement etc.

Yeah, I think he's just pointing out, that using the word evolved here could be taken by other people to be very racially offensive.

And as he confirmed, that was not what he meant.

And again the point wasn't that CC or I thought that, but just point out that in the wider world, he might want to avoid phrasing in that way.

[Anatron]

As far as I see MP still sucks.Crash after crash ...

I am going to Cardhunter then. At least it has some challenge.